H Teresa, Naming patterns were a tradition in some countries, for example England, Ireland, Germany, Italy and some Scandinavian countries. The tradition is used in many different ways, and in some cases the mother's maiden name can be part of the pattern. In fact my own brother's middle name is taken from the surname one of our paternal great grandmothers. As John said, there are always exceptions. The article at the following web link explains more about it and gives several examples of how it can be used to ferret out potential family connections. [The Importance of Given Names - http://www.genealogy.com/35_donna.html]. It does appear likely that the three men you have identified are connected. Good luck in your search for evidence. Tink At 05:24 PM 8/1/08, you wrote: >About 1800, was it common to assume one's mother's maiden name as a >middle name? Old birth records rarely show a given middle name. But >some of my anc

About 1800, was it common to assume one's mother's maiden name as a middle name? Old birth records rarely show a given middle name. But some of my ancestors in Madison Co/Otsego Co, esp. those with fairly common names and/or an older relative with that name seem to have taken mother's maiden name as a middle name. For instance, Nathan Wells Brown's mother was Anna Wells. There were several other Nathan Brown's around so taking a middle name may have been useful. Nathan had a brother Caleb and John. I have seen a reference to a John Wells Brown, w/ brothers Caleb and Nathan, and I wondered if this was the same family. Teresa

At 09:31 AM 7/28/2008, you wrote: >Catherine Priest is the daughter of Peter Ehle and Cadlyn Mabie. I >stumbled across her family a while back. George Delap is still very >much a mystery--as is Catherine's husband William Priest. > >Thank you very much for the find on Mary. I don't why it is, but >this family (of mine) at the Rootsweb site has the most numbers of >just plain wrong information. After several people told me that >Melissa (parents George Delap and Mary Priest) just lied on her >marriage records about the names of her parents (and that is my >source for their names), I gave up trying to write other people to >find out (politely of course) to find out there sources for the >alternate information and instead have a note in my file. > >Christina William Priest is sitting in Sullivan township in Madison County in 1820 with 2 sons ; 5 daughters and I guess his wife as the oldest female. He is a no-show by 1830 and no William Priest shows up until 1860 and then only in Chenango County and too young to be the same man. I've found a query by a lady asking about George Delap saying he went to Wisconsin around 1850. Since we know he was in Madison county for the 1850 census....anyway her info gives the right children's names. Do you know of this? Tim

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Catherine Priest is the daughter of Peter Ehle and Cadlyn Mabie. I stumbled across her family a while back. George Delap is still very much a mystery--as is Catherine's husband William Priest. Thank you very much for the find on Mary. I don't why it is, but this family (of mine) at the Rootsweb site has the most numbers of just plain wrong information. After several people told me that Melissa (parents George Delap and Mary Priest) just lied on her marriage records about the names of her parents (and that is my source for their names), I gave up trying to write other people to find out (politely of course) to find out there sources for the alternate information and instead have a note in my file. Christina >Is that the 1850 Mortality census? Or something else? I've not had >much luck finding sources for this family besides census, other >people and their daughter's marriage records. > >Christina >trying not to jump up and down with excitement > >Yes, that is the right family. I found this info first on the family in the 1850 census for the town of Sullivan. The info on Mary in the 1850 mortality census. I looked also for further information on her mother but found nothing thus far. Tim

At 09:05 AM 7/27/2008, you wrote: >Is that the 1850 Mortality census? Or something else? I've not had >much luck finding sources for this family besides census, other >people and their daughter's marriage records. > >Christina >trying not to jump up and down with excitement > >Yes, that is the right family. I found this info first on the family in the 1850 census for the town of Sullivan. The info on Mary in the 1850 mortality census. I looked also for further information on her mother but found nothing thus far. Tim

Is that the 1850 Mortality census? Or something else? I've not had much luck finding sources for this family besides census, other people and their daughter's marriage records. Christina trying not to jump up and down with excitement Yes, that is the right family. > >I'm looking for the marriage of George Delap and > Mary Priest > >probably in Madison county sometime in the late 1830s > or maybe early > >1840s. She's dead by 1850. > > > >And any information on her death: a tombstone, > obituary, will, ouji board. > > > >Christina > > Was George born in 1805 and about 45 by 1850? > > Did he have children Samuel, Louisa and Daniel A.? If so, > I wonder > if that is his mother-in-law living with him in the 1850 > census > listed as 70 years old? > > I did find Mary DeLap dying in Jan. 1850, 38 years old in > the > mortality records of 1850 that would put her birth ca. > 1812. > > Tim > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYMADISO list administrator, send an email > to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the NYMADISO mailing list, send an > email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYMADISO Digest, Vol 3, Issue 157 > ****************************************

At 11:16 AM 7/26/2008, you wrote: >I'm looking for the marriage of George Delap and Mary Priest >probably in Madison county sometime in the late 1830s or maybe early >1840s. She's dead by 1850. > >And any information on her death: a tombstone, obituary, will, ouji board. > >Christina Was George born in 1805 and about 45 by 1850? Did he have children Samuel, Louisa and Daniel A.? If so, I wonder if that is his mother-in-law living with him in the 1850 census listed as 70 years old? I did find Mary DeLap dying in Jan. 1850, 38 years old in the mortality records of 1850 that would put her birth ca. 1812. Tim

I'm looking for the marriage of George Delap and Mary Priest probably in Madison county sometime in the late 1830s or maybe early 1840s. She's dead by 1850. And any information on her death: a tombstone, obituary, will, ouji board. Christina

The query isn't entirely clear to me. Can't tell if they are looking for info on GWH Sr, Jr, or 3rd - or all of them. I found following info on GWH 3rd, and maybe that will lead to documents with info on his prior generations as well as his sister Rose. Found following on Ancestry.com for George Washington Hibbert III. The researcher should be able to locate an obit with this info and can order copies of Social Security and military records. May have been career Army. Start date of service is stated, but no date of discharge. No indication where he died. Have not found an obit. Social Security Death Index: George W. Hibbert SSN: 095-20-1287 Born: 10 Sep 1926 Died: 12 Feb 2004 (age 77) State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951 ) ===== George W III Hibbert, PFC US Army WW II; born 10 Sep 1926; died 12 Feb 2004; burial at Gerald B.H. Solomon Saratoga National Cemetery, 200 Duell Road Schuylerville, NY 12871-1721; Buried At: Section 8 Site 39; Service Start Date: 10 Jan 1945; Interment Date: 17 Feb 2004. Source Information: National Cemetery Administration. U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. Original data: National Cemetery Administration. Nationwide Gravesite Locator ===== Here his wife's obit. I found it interesting that they are not buried in the same location. Hazel L. Hibbert SARATOGA SPRINGS Hazel L. Hibbert, 84, a resident of county Road 68, died Sunday, June 10, 2001, at the Saratoga Hospital. Born Nov. 11, 1916, in Harpursville, N.Y., she was the daughter of the late William and Edith Bowker Nichols Sr. Mrs. Hibbert was a member of the Old Saratoga Reformed Church and Old Saratoga Post #278 American Legion in Schuylerville. Survivors include her husband, George W. Hibbert III of Saratoga Springs; her children, George W. Hibbert IV of Wilton, Arline Silvernail of Schenectady, Florence Richmond of Saratoga Springs, Helen Persons of Warrensburg, Virginia Knapp of Saratoga Springs and Lillian Curley of Lake Luzerne; a brother, Lee Madden of Charlottville; a sister, Mary Ives of Worcester; and several grandchildren, great-grandchildren, nieces and nephews. Graveside services will be conducted at 10 a.m. Wednesday at Fairmount Cemetery in Quaker Springs, with the Rev. Joyce deVelder officiating. Friends may call 6 to 8 p.m. Tuesday at Flynn Bros. Inc. Funeral Home, 13 Gates Ave., Schuylerville. The family suggests memorials in her name be made to the Leukemia Society in memory of her grandson, Anthony Richmond. ======= Found this family who possibly could be grandfather and father for George W. Hibbert III, or maybe great grandfather and grandfather? Have not made any connection but the date range is somewhat reasonable and this father and his youngest son are both named George. 1900 census - Jersey City Ward 6, Hudson Co., New Jersey; residing at 209 Pacific Avenue: Hibbert, George W.; head; white, married, age 50 (May,1850); married 30 yrs., Birthplace: Connecticut; parents born in NY; house carpenter, working for himself, reads and writes English, rents home. Mary Hibbert, 47 (March 1853), wife, white, married 30 years, had 4 children/2 living; she and both parents born in Ireland; immigrated to US in 1860 and been in country 40 years. Louis Hibbert, 26 (Nov 1873), son, single, born in Rhode Island, father born in Conn, mother born in Ireland; watchmaker; reads & writes English George Hibbert, 24 (Mar 1876), son, single, born in Rhode Island, father born in Conn, mother born in Ireland; machinist; reads & writes English. ====== I found quite a few Hibbert's popping up in Oswego, NY., so that might be a place to re-post the query and to search for ancestors or cousins. A lot of Hibbert's came from England/UK also. Some of Geo 3rd & Hazel's children are likely alive and may recall stories their father told of his youth and his family. Cemetery records or undertaker records should provide some of those names. Good luck on your search. Tink At 10:51 PM 7/21/08, you wrote: >This was a question from Dan's web site. I've been unable to find >this name in his Fenner listings: > > >His grandfather died on January 25, 1928 in Fenner, NY. I have the > >death certificate. His name was George Washington Hibbert. He is > >listed as a Farm Laborer. The informant was his wife: Mrs. George > >Hibbert, RFD, Cazenovia, NY. The place of burial was Fenner, New > >York on January 28, 1928. The undertakers were Daley and Evans. > > By April 1930 the family was living in East Syracuse, New > > York. The death certificate was registered on January 27, 1928 > > and signed by J. D. Sullivan. The physician was A. R. Morrow, > > Cazenovia, New York. > > He had a child, George Washington Hibbert, III that was born > > in Hampton, NY on September 10, 1926 so they moved to Fenner > > sometime after that. Perhaps as early as spring of 1927. There was > > another child, Rose, born May 1928 most probably in Fenner. > > Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated. We > > have no idea where they were living in Fenner and where George W. > > Hibbert is buried. > >This is a repeat of a query from 2005 on the same subject for which >no reply has been forthcoming. > >Tim > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Deaths - Births - Marriages >From Newspapers Published in Hamilton Madison County, NY 1818-1886 Abstracted From Newspapers Filed in the Archives of Colgate University, Hamilton, Madison Co., NY Joyce C. Scott & Mary K. Meyer 1958 Hibbard Democratic Republican - 1871 Adelia F. (Spencer) p174 R. Y. p174 Sept 19, in Sangerfield, at the residence of the bride's father, by Rev. A. M. Prentice, Mr. R. Y. Hibbard to Miss Adelia A. Spencer, of Sangerfield. Democratic Reflector - 1846 Augusta L. (Joy) p135 Dan p135 Francis H. p135 June 1, in Cortlandville, by Rev. J. P. Simmons, Mr. Francis H., second son of Mr. Dan Hibbard, and Augusta L., 3d daughter of the late Lewis Joy, all of Cortlandville. Democratic Republican - 1886 Chauncey R. p97 Sept 6, at Brookfield, Deacon Chauncey R. (or V.) Hibbard, age 62 years, 10 months, 21 days. He is survived by his wife, two daughters and three sons. The funeral was held from the Baptist Church. Democratic Republican - 1876 Hattie E. p188 Aug 19, at the bride's parents, by Rev. O. J. Rose, of Smithport, Andrew V. Crumb, of Brookfield, to Hattie E. Hibbard, of Corryville, PA. (From Brookfield Courier) He was lately a graduate of the Hamilton Theological Seminary, and was ordained to the Gospel ministry at Brookfield, last week. Twelve churches were included in the council where Rev. E. D. Reed, of North Brookfield was moderator and J. H. McGahen, of Richfield, clerk. Hebbard Democratic Republican - 1886 C. M. 213 Sarah A. (Sawyer) 213 Dec 13, in Earlville, by Rev. L. W. Jackson, C. M. Hebbard, of Rochester, and Miss Sarah A Sawyer, of Eaton.

Onondaga Flag 25 Apr 1835 Hibberd, Herman, d. on Sat. the 18th inst., at his residence in Pompey, ae abt. 25 yrs. Onondaga Democrat Hibbard, F. of Waterloo, and Phoebe Hamilton of Onondaga m. at Onondaga 20 Jan 1847 Hibbard, John E. of Onondaga and Matilda, dau. of E. Robbins of Syracuse m. at Syracuse 23 Sep1846

I haven't been following the msg's about the Hibbard/Hibbart's, but probably you all know there are Hibbard/Hibberts buried in Brookfield Rural Cemetery. Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Culver" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] next mystery: Hibbards > Can you tell my what is in the listing for Hibbards. I have Hibbards > who were in Pompey and Manlius. > > Teresa > > On Jul 22, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Sharon Garrett wrote: > >> I have one reference in my abstracts on the Hibbert surname. It s >> from the Chittenango herald of 22 nov 1837. But it may be a lead >> for that family burial place. It refers to a C. Hibbert, Esq. as >> preforming a marraige in Manlius. >> There is a listing in one book for a Hibbard in Pompey (1830's) and >> other Hibbards in Syracuse and Onondaga. >> Sharon >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1568 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 > 6:55 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1568 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 6:55 AM

Can you tell my what is in the listing for Hibbards. I have Hibbards who were in Pompey and Manlius. Teresa On Jul 22, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Sharon Garrett wrote: > I have one reference in my abstracts on the Hibbert surname. It s > from the Chittenango herald of 22 nov 1837. But it may be a lead > for that family burial place. It refers to a C. Hibbert, Esq. as > preforming a marraige in Manlius. > There is a listing in one book for a Hibbard in Pompey (1830's) and > other Hibbards in Syracuse and Onondaga. > Sharon > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

unsubscribe In a message dated 7/23/2008 1:04:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Today's Topics: 1. Re: next mystery (JCB) 2. Re: next mystery (Sharon Garrett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:03:43 +1000 From: "JCB" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] next mystery To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Tim I had close friends, growing up, by the name of Hebert, which is one of the variations on the Hibbert name. Other than that, count me out... John PS: Hello to the wee one... ;-) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:59:00 GMT From: "Sharon Garrett" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] next mystery To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have one reference in my abstracts on the Hibbert surname. It s from the Chittenango herald of 22 nov 1837. But it may be a lead for that family burial place. It refers to a C. Hibbert, Esq. as preforming a marraige in Manlius. There is a listing in one book for a Hibbard in Pompey (1830's) and other Hibbards in Syracuse and Onondaga. Sharon ------------------------------ To contact the NYMADISO list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the NYMADISO mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of NYMADISO Digest, Vol 3, Issue 153 **************************************** **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

I have one reference in my abstracts on the Hibbert surname. It s from the Chittenango herald of 22 nov 1837. But it may be a lead for that family burial place. It refers to a C. Hibbert, Esq. as preforming a marraige in Manlius. There is a listing in one book for a Hibbard in Pompey (1830's) and other Hibbards in Syracuse and Onondaga. Sharon

Tim I had close friends, growing up, by the name of Hebert, which is one of the variations on the Hibbert name. Other than that, count me out... John PS: Hello to the wee one... ;-)