Charles and others - I sent your question to my friendly undertaker friend and this was her reply: In a message dated 8/7/2008 4:44:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: What is the general thought about this? There is no set rule. The cemetery makes the decision. Generally, but not always, a person is buried with their feet to the east so that at the resurrection they will rise to face the east. And this is a Christian idea that leaves out a lot of the world. Some cemeteries are laid out so the graves are north south, not east west. If you watch a funeral procession at the cemetery, someone from the cemetery will indicate to the funeral director which direction to carry the casket to the grave so burial is as the cemetery dictates. Watch for the tap of the head or a pointing at the feet. The casket is loaded in the hearse so the feet come out first; in and out of church: Feet First. Now you have more information and still no definitive answer. It is all up to the cemetery. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Page" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: [NYMADISO] head stones and foot stones > Listers, > I know a person can be buried however the surviving family decides, but > if there is a big family stone in the middle of a plot and there is a row > of small stones on each side with individual names, do most people elect > to have their head toward the big stone, or their feet? The little stones > at their head or their feet? > The small stones would be either a head stone or a foot stone depending > on the position of the burial casket, I guess. > What is the general thought about this? > Chas > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 > 5:54 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Folks, No matter what direction one was lain to rest, Footstones were placed most often at the foot of the casket and were generally the size of a cobblestone with usually only a name or initials on each - no date. Headstones have complete names, dates, endearments. marilyn Patricia Jaquay wrote: > Charles and others - > > I sent your question to my friendly undertaker friend and this was her > reply: > > > In a message dated 8/7/2008 4:44:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > What is the general thought about this? > There is no set rule. The cemetery makes the decision. > Generally, but not always, a person is buried with their feet to the east > so that at the resurrection they will rise to face the east. And this is a > Christian idea that leaves out a lot of the world. > Some cemeteries are laid out so the graves are north south, not east west. > If you watch a funeral procession at the cemetery, someone from the > cemetery will indicate to the funeral director which direction to carry the > casket to the grave so burial is as the cemetery dictates. Watch for the tap > of the head or a pointing at the feet. > The casket is loaded in the hearse so the feet come out first; in and out > of church: Feet First. > > Now you have more information and still no definitive answer. It is all up > to the cemetery. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Page" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:32 PM > Subject: [NYMADISO] head stones and foot stones > > > >> Listers, >> I know a person can be buried however the surviving family decides, but >> if there is a big family stone in the middle of a plot and there is a row >> of small stones on each side with individual names, do most people elect >> to have their head toward the big stone, or their feet? The little stones >> at their head or their feet? >> The small stones would be either a head stone or a foot stone depending >> on the position of the burial casket, I guess. >> What is the general thought about this? >> Chas >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 >> 5:54 AM >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My understand is headstone and footstone location is dependent on the choice of the cemetery folks. Our local cemetery has them both ways which is making it difficult to identify which direct the folks are buried. I'm happy just finding a stone to be honest with you! :-) Elisa On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Charles Page wrote: > Listers, > I know a person can be buried however the surviving family > decides, but if there is a big family stone in the middle of a plot > and there is a row of small stones on each side with individual > names, do most people elect to have their head toward the big > stone, or their feet? The little stones at their head or their feet? > The small stones would be either a head stone or a foot stone > depending on the position of the burial casket, I guess. > What is the general thought about this? > Chas > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: > 8/7/2008 5:54 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYMADISO- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Listers, I know a person can be buried however the surviving family decides, but if there is a big family stone in the middle of a plot and there is a row of small stones on each side with individual names, do most people elect to have their head toward the big stone, or their feet? The little stones at their head or their feet? The small stones would be either a head stone or a foot stone depending on the position of the burial casket, I guess. What is the general thought about this? Chas No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 5:54 AM

Try Delphi On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Is there a Delpal Cemetery somewhere? When I goggle it -- nothing comes > up? > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jason

Susanne Greenhagen, http://www.newyorkgravestones.org is already in place. waiting for any photo for Madison County (has 57 out of 17,630) Much of the photos are from Schenectady County and surrounding counties. David Samuelsen Greenhagen, Susanne wrote: > Fellow Listers -- > As Historian for the Town of Eaton I would > be glad to obtain pictures of any headstones > in the town. A webpage of pictures would be > a really awesome project. > -- Sue Greenhagen at Morrisville State College

Fellow Listers -- As Historian for the Town of Eaton I would be glad to obtain pictures of any headstones in the town. A webpage of pictures would be a really awesome project. -- Sue Greenhagen at Morrisville State College ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:28:54 -0400 From: Tim Stowell <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Tombstone Pics To: [email protected] >Tim, >Some time ago you asked for headstone photos, did anything ever come of that >situation? I have a few of my ancestors in New Bridgeport Cemetery and >Oakwood in Chittenango. I'm not sure that I ever heard back from anyone in regards to what I could donate. >Anita, >Did I ever send them to you? >Jo Dee Frasco

_CFN Peripheral Cemeteries - the Main Page_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyccazen/Cemeteries/Peripheral/) This is from Dan Weiskotten's web site where many or most of the cemetaries from Fenner, Nelson and Cazenovia are listed. In addition peripheral sites such as Delphi are listed. Dorothy **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

Could Delpal be DELPHI? Jim ********************* In a message dated 8/6/2008 9:49:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Is there a Delpal Cemetery somewhere? When I goggle it -- nothing comes up? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

At 08:55 AM 7/28/2008, you wrote: >Tim, > >Some time ago you asked for headstone photos, did anything ever come of that >situation? I have a few of my ancestors in New Bridgeport Cemetery and >Oakwood in Chittenango. I'm not sure that I ever heard back from anyone in >regards to what I could donate. > >Anita, > >Did I ever send them to you? > >Jo Dee Frasco Jo, I'm not ignoring your note - just that this is my Christmas season as we get ready for school starting in about 10 days. I'm coming home dead tired and then repeat until the weekend which usually has its own hectic pace. With regards to your question - some folks have replied privately and tombstone photos await placement on the website(s). Any sent will be placed on-line - perhaps as a link from the transcription if that is already on-line or with a transcription if not. Life should get simpler in about a month. Thanks for asking. Tim

At 03:13 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote: >Auction on Ebay: > >A relative? > >Item number: 380052038476 > >Cooperstown NY 1833 Bank Check Otsego County Bank It appears that the check was written to a Mr. Moon, but perhaps I'm reading it wrong. Who this particular Stowell is, I'm not sure, perhaps part of the Bainbridge bunch. Thanks though, Elaine, for pointing it out. Tim

are you - LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "JCB" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Mother's maiden name as a middle name?? > Tink > > I'd probably be so confused that I'd be asking myself if I was my > grandfather... > > :-) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tink I'd probably be so confused that I'd be asking myself if I was my grandfather... :-)

Auction on Ebay: A relative? Item number: 380052038476 Cooperstown NY 1833 Bank Check Otsego County Bank

There's a good chance you'd have the same name if you were the eldest son. Svend Nilssen was the son of Nils Svendssen, was the son of Svend Nilssen, etc. Max -----Original Message----- From: "JCB" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 8/3/08 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Mother's maiden name as a middle name?? Tink I'd probably be so confused that I'd be asking myself if I was my grandfather... :-) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's a lot easier than you might think. For one thing, women kept the same name all their lives. Also, the church did a regular census every few years and were smart enough to record both name and exact birth date. They also tracked people when they left or came into an area. Genealogy in the US would be a lot easier if we had done the same. I've taken my wife's Swedes and Norwegians back to the 1700's. Max -----Original Message----- From: "Tink Miller" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 8/3/08 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Mother's maiden name as a middle name?? Hi John, I know what you mean. I'm thankful I don't have Scandinavian ancestors. It's beyond me how they ever manage to find their ancestral connections. Tink At 03:03 PM 8/2/08, you wrote: >Tink > >That's for sure, regarding nationalities... I spent enough time with the >early Reformed Dutch for one lifetime. The Scandinavian stuff is >interesting too. > >John > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tink That's for sure, regarding nationalities... I spent enough time with the early Reformed Dutch for one lifetime. The Scandinavian stuff is interesting too. John

Hi John, I know what you mean. I'm thankful I don't have Scandinavian ancestors. It's beyond me how they ever manage to find their ancestral connections. Tink At 03:03 PM 8/2/08, you wrote: >Tink > >That's for sure, regarding nationalities... I spent enough time with the >early Reformed Dutch for one lifetime. The Scandinavian stuff is >interesting too. > >John > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Teresa Good topic... Since you used the magic word... assume... I had to reply. Personally, assuming has turned out to be disappointing in a lot of my searching. Maybe being aware of, and even taking notes on, the naming habits of our families would be a better way to keep things in perspective. Granted, there absolutely were common practices, or idiosyncracies, in naming, but the bottom line, for me anyway, is that I wasn't there, and don't know just exactly who did it, why, and how. Sometimes things make sense, after all the other building blocks have been put together and we can stand back from the picture and see how it all came to be. Given, or Christian, naming has been somewhat of a pet project for me, mostly unknowingly, as a result of studying my 4g grandfather, Moses Phelps', where to and why for... All the given and surnames that I have been able to associate to him have taken me into diverse ancestries that, otherwise, I wouldn't have considered. (In modern given naming, all bets are off, but you already knew that... <grin>) There was a great deal of heritage in naming a child, but, back then, I'd have to say that there was, by far, a greater cohesive nature, all around, in families, than what we see today. With the rat's nest that I've been trying to untangle, regarding just Moses Phelps, there are probably a few factors that would cause my assumption to turn out factual, like physical proximity, grandchildren given naming, and things like that. With enough extenuating circumstances and good and clear circumstantial evidence, I do pull people into my family tree. It sounds like you have that kind of evidence... It's a difficult chore, and pretty aggravating at that, when a "branch" of say, 30 or 40 people fall off the tree... Hindisght is 20/20 vision, for me, regarding Christian naming. Good topic John

I think it depends on the line. Some of my lines had various naming patterns. I am brick walled with my Goff's but I know where they "fit" as there are at least 10 given names used over and over in the same lines.. just have ben unable to find the connection. If it seems they use the same names over and over and if a new given name is introduced you can bet it is from the wife's line. That is a good lead to check out. One of my lines..that's right only one..the Carpenters had no rhyme or reason like most families today in naming children. (it was over 100 years ago that patterns were common) But, there were a few, notably my Benjamin line that used the mother's maiden name as a given or middle name in the next generation. Not all children of course, but weird given names were the result. My great and great-great grandfathers given names were Miner after Phoebe Miner (also some uncles and cousins named Miner) who m. Samuel Clark Benjamin (Clark being his mothers maiden name) Now in my Rhoads/Rhodes line there was a Zadoc Lewis Rhodes/Rhoads (scribes in the Rev. War changed the surname spelling for this line) No one could ever figure out who his mother was but the name had been given to his son and a nephew, etc. and even one of my uncles (only switched to Lewis Zadoc Powers in his case). It seems many follow only the paternal lines and it does not matter the mother gives 50% of the DNA.. for some it is all about the male surname in genealogy books. So I got to thinking..Lewis is usually how one spell the surname not the given name. So on a hunch I googled Zadoc Lewis and voila !!!.. I found a Lewis line who did mention in their genealogy the daughter of Zadoc Lewis who m. our Jeriah Rhodes/Rhoads and it was the end of that brick wall. So always check these things out. Naming patterns and styles varied from line to line but most families did have some sort of pattern. Sharon