Hi gang, Joan here. Was wondering if any of you have pictures of the following towns, of Brookfield, Earlville, Hamilton that were taken back in the mid to 1800's to early 1900's focusing in on the printing office of Frank Spooner, the printing office of Will L. Beebe in Earlville in 1898-1899 or earlier. Ionic columns that were a trademark of my great great grandfather Cyrus Beebe and his son Judson L. Beebe of Brookfield and the home of James and Chloe Clarke Hills of Brookfield. If any one has them and would be willing to scan them and send them to me it would be appreciated so much. And if anyone happens to know how long my grandfather Will published the Four Leaved Clover which was a children's magazine that would be appreciated as well. Thank you in advance. Joan ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m27514d4budFrSozHZV89eL8o7Y5jVQ1EGXEMY0NCuHfN86/

Seek information on the parents of James WALSH - 1877-1904, husband of Winnifred - 1875-1903; father of James - 1903-1903, who are buried in Immaculate Conception Cemetery, Pompey? There is a James WALSH, age 4, son of Michael and Bridget, enumerated in 1880 in the Town of Truxton, Cortland County, in 1880. Is he the same James? Winnifred is the daughter of John HIGGINS and Mary Murphy. dick barr **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Since my update of 6/5 - For this update - ====================== Cortland County - Marriages from the Cortland Democrat for 1885, 1886, 1887. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/cortland/crtdvlle.htm Deaths from the same newspaper for 1886. These also have folks from Madison / Chenango counties mentioned from time to time, so don't discount these. I'm working on some odds and ends for 1886-1887 after I get deaths for 1887-1888 and marriages for 1888 on line. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As of this evening there are these numbers of subscribers: Chenango - 219 Cortland - 173 Madison - 223 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's been a busy summer, the new school year is starting off in a tailspin. For those who've asked about my daughter, most folks are amazed at how quickly English has come for her. It came much faster for her than Chinese was for me. She was also learning Spanish in the last two months of school last year and chatters away in it as well, although for the most part she might as well be speaking Chinese for all we know what she is saying. She's picked up American stuff and I suppose young people stuff too - I've only heard and seen a gazillion times High School Musical one and two with her begging for three when it comes out this fall. Then there's Camp Rock - and we now have a true generation gap... This summer she was in a camp sponsored at a local church that was celebrating its 50th year of doing so, learned to swim, meet other children outside of her school, learn songs and 10 weeks in participated in the musical at the end of the camp. Also near the end we got to go to the ER as she split open her chin on the pool deck. It took 4 adults to hold her down so the doctor could put the stitches in, even with the 'calming' stuff they'd already given her. A couple of weeks ago she started 3rd grade but is learning to read English with the 1st graders. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now for question time - I ran across a book a couple of weeks ago that I believe was written in the late 1950s, wherein it described remaining covered bridges in New York state. As I recall most seemed to be down Catskills way or up along the Hudson. I'm curious to know if anyone remembers any covered bridges in Chenango, Cortland or Madison counties? I have to think there surely were some, but don't ever recall any myself, but then again my experience in the area is limited. Tim

WILLIAM WORDEN is reported to have passed away on 30 Oct 1920, probably while living with his son, EDWARD WORDEN, in Canastota? Is there any available resource in this area to find a copy of his obituary? GMF Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence. In other words, it is war minus the shooting. -George Orwell, writer (1903-1950)

GMF In regards to your quest for info on WORDEN, there are several sources such as the Onondaga County Library may have such a record, the web site Find a Grave, even to google. My main reason for writing is that you mentioned he may have been living in Canastota. The name WORDEN was a well known name in the southern part of Onondaga County. In fact the area known as NEDROW was named after a WORDEN, it is the name reversed, Hope some of this will be a help. Pat J.

I have re-started photo copying my Grandmother's diaries and In the 1925 book she had saved some newspaper clippings(Utica Press). That year started off with a bang. In the first two months of that year they had quite a severe earthquake that rocked the buildings, a solar eclipse, and a record snowstorm followed by below zero weather. Roofs were caved in, trolleys and trains were stranded. Snow removal was by manpower and shovels. I remember the snow. I was about 5 years old. It seemed like mountains of snow where my father had thrown it up as he shoveled our sidewalk in front of our house in Oneida. Of course, there was "little to no" use of automobiles in any winter. Most cars, as was our Model T, were "up on blocks" for the season. Chas No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.5/1619 - Release Date: 8/18/2008 5:39 PM

First off, clearly many are not sure what the Probate Records are like and how they can be very useful in the family research. How much do you know about.... 1. Guardianship 2. Estate Files/Probate Case Files 3. Dowers 4. Inventories 5. Settlements 6. Miscellaneous 7. Lis Pendens 8. Land Deed Indentures 9. Letters Testamentary 10. Letters of Administration 11. Bonds 12. Accounts W. David Samuelsen http://www.sampubco.com

Hi, Deb, This doesn't help with your question, but there are parts of an old abandoned cemetery called the Lawton cemetery on Chappel Road in the Town of Hamilton. Just the fact of the two similar names together, I thought interesting. Chas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Dooley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: [NYMADISO] Lawton - Chappel > > Hi! I am searching a possible trail that goes like this........Grant > LAWTON > born NY @ 1790, was living in Madison County NY @1813. Enumerated in > Greene > census in 1840. Daughter Eliza Ann LAWTON possibly married a CHAPPEL in > 1830's > or early 1840's. I'm also looking for the adult male CHAPPEL who may have > died > in the 1840's. If any of these families tie in with your research, I > would love > to know. Thanks! > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 > 5:58 AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:58 AM

Hi! I am searching a possible trail that goes like this........Grant LAWTON born NY @ 1790, was living in Madison County NY @1813. Enumerated in Greene census in 1840. Daughter Eliza Ann LAWTON possibly married a CHAPPEL in 1830's or early 1840's. I'm also looking for the adult male CHAPPEL who may have died in the 1840's. If any of these families tie in with your research, I would love to know. Thanks!

Rich Holmes, Are you trying to take photo from a long distance? If you read carefully, get the photos up CLOSE then it is not a problem at all. The settings for good photos is NOT the "LOW" for internet, it's the middle one. Thomas Dunne did incredible good job and he is still at it for the eastern area around Schenectady County. One excellent photo after another. David Samuelsen Rich Holmes wrote: > On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:05 PM, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > >> http://www.newyorkgravestones.org is already in place. >> >> waiting for any photo for Madison County (has 57 out of 17,630) > > After getting a look at all their rules and procedures for preparing > a photo for submission, I'm not a bit surprised. > > Some of the rules, in fact, are counterproductive. 50 kB is not > necessarily excessive -- not when an inscription is hard to read and > preservation of detail is important.

I must ay it does pay to check any large family stone with smaller individual stones. My greatgrandfather has different dates on the family stone from his individual stone. So always check. And check cemetery records if possible. The delphi Falls cemetery has a list online of stones but the actual cemetery records reveal that some lots have two and even three people buried in them. And oly one name on the stone in two cases I know of. so if you are wondering where a relative is buried, this could be an answer. Of course many were buried with no stone for various reasons. Lack of money being one. Early Quakers thught it was prideful and did not have any. Later, so others would know there was a buial in a plot they might put a regular old stone at the top and bottom of the grave. Eventually some Quakers began to put regular tombstones on the graves but not all believe in that.. Most of my family that has a large family stone also have individual stones and each has names and dates. There are some on my 1st husbands side that have only the relationship and name on individual stones.. such as Mary, beloved daughter or even just Mother. Sharon

On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:05 PM, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > http://www.newyorkgravestones.org is already in place. > > waiting for any photo for Madison County (has 57 out of 17,630) After getting a look at all their rules and procedures for preparing a photo for submission, I'm not a bit surprised. Some of the rules, in fact, are counterproductive. 50 kB is not necessarily excessive -- not when an inscription is hard to read and preservation of detail is important.

Hi all, Even though this isn't about the stones it got me thinking again which is a great chore for me these days, well not really, but as I get older the gray cells do have to work over time. Well anyway, I have a great uncle James H. Hills b. 1876 to Hiram J. and Ellen A. Hills Beebe of Brookfield. I know that he died in Cazenovia in Sept. of 1914 at the age of 38 and is buried in Earlville/Brookfield according to the obit I have but I can't find where. I have called all around to see if I could find him. I did find his sister Winifred Lela Beebe who died in 1927 and his buried in Earlville, but where James is buried I don't know. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I can look next. He is the only body of my grandfathers immediate family I can't find. Someone suggested that he might be buried with his father Hiram but when I looked at the cemetery list that I have that has Hiram in it, ( he is buried with the James Hills family) I didn't find it. Please help me as this would be all I need for the Beebe part of the body count at least starting with Hiram. I am next looking for Judson L. Beebe and his wife Susan Blanding father of Hiram. Then for a number of Cyrus's that I had found that lived in and around East Hamilton. One of the Cyrus's married a Phoebe Crandall and was 72 or so when they married. He died in 1908. Don't know where he is buried and who his first wife was. I believe he had a daughter named Alice sister to Judson. With all these Cyrus's in the family I am totally confused. My Cyrus is also married to a Phoebe but her married name was Palmer and her sister was Rhody Chesebro Beebe first wife of my Cyrus. If this sounds confusing it is so I need help. If I can make this a bit clearer let me know. Joan in Candor with a few gray cells missing. ____________________________________________________________ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nLmLSXhKTPBPaPNBcxlaimLxiRAFrbPgLPaRartUZDIXnm2/

You raised an interesting thought Charles and one that has many of us thinking......... now that is always a good thing! I found it so interesting that I contacted a local funeral director.............. got any more "how come" queries for us? Pat J. Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: [NYMADISO] My last comment on the subject > Just one more note: > It has been my observation at different cemeteries, and it seems > logical--that if the names and dates are on the big family stone, the > headstones have only the name. If all the info is not on the big stone, > then more than just the name is put on the small stone. > Incidentally, (just to add fuel to the conversation) my Page plot in > Oneida Castle has the names on the small stones so that they can be read > as you approach the plot from the outside. Approaching from the west the > names are rightside up. From the inside of the plot looking west, the > names are upside down. > My Jones plot in Madison have the names rightside up looking from the > inside of the plot. > I guess you could call this conversation "trivia" at its "mostest", but > it gives us something to notice and think about. > Chas > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 8/8/2008 > 9:02 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just one more note: It has been my observation at different cemeteries, and it seems logical--that if the names and dates are on the big family stone, the headstones have only the name. If all the info is not on the big stone, then more than just the name is put on the small stone. Incidentally, (just to add fuel to the conversation) my Page plot in Oneida Castle has the names on the small stones so that they can be read as you approach the plot from the outside. Approaching from the west the names are rightside up. From the inside of the plot looking west, the names are upside down. My Jones plot in Madison have the names rightside up looking from the inside of the plot. I guess you could call this conversation "trivia" at its "mostest", but it gives us something to notice and think about. Chas No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 8/8/2008 9:02 AM

Hi Chas Well... I have no clue, but it seemed like an "interesting" topic. The first thought/question that comes to mind is; how was the person feeling the day he or she died. I know that some mornings I feel as though I have stones for feet and can hardly lift them enough to get to the coffee pot. I guess they would probably bury me with my feet pointing away from the family stone, because I wouldn't want to weigh down any of the other family members' ascent into the next life. Then, there have been a lot of times when I have been accused of having rocks in my head, so it's a toss-up... On the one hand, they might think I need a little support and bury me with my head pointing toward the main stone, thinking that maybe, if I hang around long enough, I might learn something, but on the other hand, they may just look at me as "dead weight" and choose to bury me with the farm animals. Either way, I suppose it's a matter of keeping one's head up and their feet planted firmly on the ground... Your topic reminds me of a joke... There was this guy who had a terrible problem with drinking alcohol, and his friends became very concerned because every time he would get to drinking, he would pass out cold. A few of his friends devised a plan, where, the next time he drank himself into unconsciousness, they would bury him, but have a big tube inserted into his casket, for air. Well... it happened; he got drunk and passed out. His friends buried him in his casket, covered him up, and waited. A little while later, he came to, and strarted talking: "Where am I?" The friends, up above, could hear him through the tube and answered: "You're dead and buried..." to which he replied: "Well, how long have I been here?" The friends shot back: "About two weeks..." The boozer then asked: "Well who are you?" to which the buddies answered: "I'm the guy in the next plot over. I've been here about 10 years." "Well then..." he replied; "where can I get a drink?" And that's about it, for today... Actually, it is a really interesting topic, but I guess my opinion would be that the person's head would point toward the family stone, or monument. I can't say that the person would face the family stone because that would mean he or she was buried standing up, which would cause an uproar in the gravedigger associations across the land... John

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In the Catholic cemetery family plot my great grandfather bought many years ago, the heads are toward the big monument with the family name. The individual stones are actually footstones. I don't know if it is the same elsewhere. --Pam Berger > Listers, > I know a person can be buried however the surviving family decides, but > if there is a big family stone in the middle of a plot and there is a row > of small stones on each side with individual names, do most people elect > to have their head toward the big stone, or their feet? The little stones > at their head or their feet? > The small stones would be either a head stone or a foot stone depending > on the position of the burial casket, I guess. > What is the general thought about this? > Chas

It is not always that even in Catholic cemeteries. The footstones are often up to 1930s to mark where the ends are. David Samuelsen Pamela Berger wrote: > In the Catholic cemetery family plot my great grandfather bought many years > ago, the heads are toward the big monument with the family name. The > individual stones are actually footstones. I don't know if it is the same > elsewhere. --Pam Berger

I also have a few photos, they were given to me by a rellie from the NY area of some of my family line- Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [NYMADISO] Tombstone Pics > At 08:55 AM 7/28/2008, you wrote: >>Tim, >> >>Some time ago you asked for headstone photos, did anything ever come of >>that >>situation? I have a few of my ancestors in New Bridgeport Cemetery and >>Oakwood in Chittenango. I'm not sure that I ever heard back from anyone >>in >>regards to what I could donate. >> >>Anita, >> >>Did I ever send them to you? >> >>Jo Dee Frasco > > Jo, > > I'm not ignoring your note - just that this is my Christmas season as > we get ready for school starting in about 10 days. > > I'm coming home dead tired and then repeat until the weekend which > usually has its own hectic pace. > > With regards to your question - some folks have replied privately and > tombstone photos await placement on the website(s). > > Any sent will be placed on-line - perhaps as a link from the > transcription if that is already on-line or with a transcription if not. > > Life should get simpler in about a month. > > Thanks for asking. > > Tim > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message