I graduated from Beaver Falls in 1959. RIGHT! I am just a kid! Ha! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYLEWIS] Hungarian Grape Festival at Hungarian HallandPolishAmerican H... > My wife lived in Beaver Falls, but I graduated from Lowville in '52 and > after that I don't believe I went there very often, if at all. You are 6 years > younger than me, just a kid, right? > > Dick > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 4/28/2007 3:32 PM > >

My wife lived in Beaver Falls, but I graduated from Lowville in '52 and after that I don't believe I went there very often, if at all. You are 6 years younger than me, just a kid, right? Dick ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dick, Very interesting. You all may have been there when I was there. There were a lot of "kids" there that I didn't know because I went there when I lived in Belfort, NY Lewis Co. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [NYLEWIS] Hungarian Grape Festival at Hungarian Hall andPolishAmerican H... >I met my wife, Joanne Moncalieri, at the Fun Bowl. We lived just down the > street a short ways from the roller rink/dance hall. We would always go there > when we weren't playing ball, at the school, after school hours. > > Dick > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 4/28/2007 3:32 PM > >

Gloria Here is something else that may be of help finding Joseph Crandall. This corresponds with the Will I sent. Rome Sentinel Deaths - 1912 Cotes, Charles 13-Jun-12 Rome Citizen Death Notices in 1888 DRAPER - In Floyd, New York, April 12, 1888, of erysipelas, at the residence of her son, A. C. Draper, Mrs. BETSEY DRAPER, aged 78 years, 3 months and 6 days. (RCApr20/1888) [following article in same paper:] Mrs. Betsy Draper died at the residence of her son, A. C. Draper, in Floyd, last Thursday, of erysipelas, aged 78 years, 3 months and 6 days. The funeral took place from the Baptist church here on Saturday afternoon, her pastor officiating. Sixty years ago she joined the Floyd Baptist church, now extinct. For many years she was a devoted member of the Baptist church here. She belonged to a family of thirteen children, six of whom survive her, namely: Mrs. Lydia Clark and Mrs. Calista Cotes, of Floyd, Mrs. Cornelia Langdon, of Clark's Mills, Mrs. Lois Barnes, of Mobile, Ala., Mrs. Mary Alden, of Ohio, and Isaac S. Clark, of Nebraska. She leaves three children -- Asa C. Draper, Mrs. Sophia Booth, and Mrs. Sarah Roberts. (RCApr20/1888) Ron

I met my wife, Joanne Moncalieri, at the Fun Bowl. We lived just down the street a short ways from the roller rink/dance hall. We would always go there when we weren't playing ball, at the school, after school hours. Dick ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Linda- You don't have to apologize to anyone. Political correctness has gone too far and is threatening to eliminate spontaneity in our lives. Unless something is unarguably derogatory or obscene let's lighten up. It seems the thought police try to make one feel guilty whenever they choose. In my *personal* view we should be more concerned about the vulgarity and profanity that is permitted on TV and the radio. The Imus brouhaha is an example of how selective political correctness has become. The rappers can say what he did with impurity; if it's wrong for Imus it's wrong for everyone. Genealogy does entail discovery of unusual words and customs and helps us understand the past. GMF We welcome every honest immigrant... provided he leaves off his former nationality and becomes an American... Teddy Roosevelt -- "Linda Glover" <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks for all the feedback on the post pertaining to the origin of honyocks. I remember fondly many of the terms my Dad used when we were growing up, and politically correct or not, they bring back fond memories of my Dad. I asked my son yesterday if he remembered his grandpa calling him that when he was little and he said he did, and that he has caught himself calling his little boy that a few times. So, guess in our case it will be considered a tradition. I think it was, and probably will be in my son's case, an "at home" expression though as I don't think my Dad used it in public. And if I offend anyone reading this, I apologize.

Oh My! I remember Mary Konkol, plus the Streeter Boys, Kenny Young, the Bourgeois Brothers & many others all over Lewis County, mostly in Lowville, Glenfield & don't for Hershey's Barn Dances in New Bremen. (I'm getting home sick again). So many of these people are gone. Do you remember "The Fun Bowl" in Lowville? We danced a lot there, also the jitterbug. Can't do that today. My parents spent a lot of time in Glenfield at the places you mentioned, dancing the night away as well. My Dad used to join in with his Harmonica once in awhile. It's sad to hear the Hungarian Hall is no longer there. There are a lot of good, clean, fun memories in that place. I'm sorry to hear about your brother. Mary From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NYLEWIS] Hungarian Grape Festival at Hungarian Hall and PolishAmerican Hall > > Pat R > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 4/28/2007 3:32 PM >

I remember them too. I, too, was too young to drink, but my Dad always saved one Polka for me. We used to sit along the side of the Hungarian Hall & watch everyone dance. I loved the music. Everyone had a good time at those picnics. If I remember right, there was a lot of Beer too, like you said. We may have been there the same time, in the 50's. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>

Gloria This may help. Last Will I Asa Clark of Trenton in the county of Oneida, State of New York, of the age of seventy nine years and being of sound mind and memory do make, establish, and declare this my last will and testament in manner following that is to say. First, the payment of my debts if any shall if practicable (sp) be made from money due or to become due to me after reserving therefrom a sufficient sum for the immediate' support and proper maintenance of my wife, desiring to avoid the necessity of any sale of my estate for such purpose. Second, I give bequeath, and devise all the rest of my estate both real and personal of every income or return or kind, unto my wife ?olly Clark to be used and enjoyed by her for her support, maintenance and comfort during the term of her natural life with (p ) to sell, and assign, lease, or otherwise dispose of the same using the proceeds thereof as she shall deem best suited to her support and comfort, interest, and principle. Third, after the decease of my said wife, from the estate then remaining, I give and bequeath unto my daughter Lydia Clark and unto my daughter-in-law Deborah, widow of my son Willard?, and Jennette, widow of my son George each the sum of five dollars. And unto my granddaughter, Sophia, wife of James Booth the sum of thirty dollars. Fourth, after the payment of which bequests , I give & bequeath all my household furniture, beds, bedding, wearing apparel and so forth to be divided as near as may be equally between them, unto my daughters, Betsey, Mary, Calesta, Lois, Jane, and Camelia. Unto my sons, Sylvessus, Asa, and Isaac I give each the sum of fifty dollars which being paid I give bequeath and devise all the rest residue and remainder of my estate unto my sons, Sylvessus, Asa, and Isaac, and unto my daughters Betsey, Mary, Calista, Lois, Jane and Camelia, to be divided equally between them. Lastly, I hereby nominate and appoint my son, Asa Clark and my son-in-law, Charles J. Cotes? to be the executors of this my last will and testament hereby revoking all former wills by me made. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this sixth day of February in the year of our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and sixty two. Codicil: Land left to son Asa Clark for his natural life is to pass to his heirs upon his death. Dated 1 April, 1870. See Floyd, Oneida Co., Genweb Ron

I'm guessing that the Edmund (Edmond) Crandall enumerated the same year and next to Joseph Crandall in Westfield medina co ohio was his brother. They are fairly close in age.(my note to myself) "I show Edmund Crandall marrying a Jane A. Kinney Guilford in Medina County in 24 Oct 1844. That surname has popped up as well in the New York area research. Although Crandall seems to be a common surname, I do see several Crandalls in Homer and Truxton, Cortland County, New York, in 1820. I see some Clark's in Cortland County." I got this marriage info from someone else and havent even looked for the location in relation to lewis co NY, although I wouldnt count on anything since they were in OH at the time of the marriage... "Just a hint for possible location although Cortland is really a black hole". I still wonder about the lewis co new york info because i keep hitting zilch...I wish I could go THERE... any way i think i will continue to post to see if anyone has a joseph and edmond as brothers in New york, and look for descendents of edmond/Edmund Crandall in Ohio and on the Crandall list. thanks.....

Thanks for all the feedback on the post pertaining to the origin of honyocks. I remember fondly many of the terms my Dad used when we were growing up, and politically correct or not, they bring back fond memories of my Dad. I asked my son yesterday if he remembered his grandpa calling him that when he was little and he said he did, and that he has caught himself calling his little boy that a few times. So, guess in our case it will be considered a tradition. I think it was, and probably will be in my son's case, an "at home" expression though as I don't think my Dad used it in public. And if I offend anyone reading this, I apologize.

This qualifies as sociology because our ancestors would have used such expressions as these. One can also ask what kinds of music did they sing or hear and who were their friends plus what were their forms of entertainment. Knowing just facts and figures about our ancestors is critical of course but it's also important what their actual lives might have been like beyond names, dates, and places. Ken > What has does this have to do with genealogy research?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:00 AM > Subject: NYLEWIS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 97 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: More "Old Sayings" (Lois Everard) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:45:26 -0500 >> From: "Lois Everard" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [NYLEWIS] More "Old Sayings" >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Perhaps all have been partying too much as our ancestors did in the old >> days. Remember our grandparents knew what wine and whiskey could do for >> a >> long spring nap. "Snooz" is the word. >> >> Ken >> >> Subject: Re: [NYLEWIS] More "Old Sayings" >> >> >>> Ken, >>> I've been wondering where everyone's been too! >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ken Everard" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:32 PM >>> Subject: [NYLEWIS] More "Old Sayings" >>> >>> >>>> Is everyone awake yet from the their early spring nap? >>>> >>>> Here are a few more old wise sayings that some of you may remember. >>>> See >>>> below. More will follow in a few days. >>>> >>>> Ken in NJ >>>> >>>> 1. A Friend in need is a friend indeed. (James Ray 1678) >>>> >>>> 2. A grudge is a heavy thing to carry. (unknown) >>>> >>>> 3. A house divided cannot stand. (Bible, Mathew 1225) >>>> >>>> 4. A man is known by the company he keeps. (M. Coverdale, 1541) >>>> >>>> 5. A man who desires revenge should dig two graves. (unknown) >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.10/774 - Release Date: >>>> 4/23/2007 >>>> 5:26 PM >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the NYLEWIS list administrator, send an email to >> [email protected] >> >> To post a message to the NYLEWIS mailing list, send an email to >> [email protected] >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of NYLEWIS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 97 >> ************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Frank, that's a good one. Thanks for reminding me. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank O'Neil" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [NYLEWIS] sayings > If dreams and wishes were horses, beggars would ride. > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Al White <[email protected]> >>Sent: Apr 28, 2007 7:41 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [NYLEWIS] please post >> >>Can't help but we used that (honyoks) around Pittsford, NY as well. Al >> >>Al White >>[email protected] >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Frank, I great one liner. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Sweeney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Frank O'Neil" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [NYLEWIS] sayings > > If wishes were horses all beggars could ride > If horse doodoo was biscuits we'd all be supplied. > Jack > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Frank O'Neil" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: "Frank O'Neil" <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:57:38 -0400 (EDT) > >>If dreams and wishes were horses, beggars would ride. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Al White <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Apr 28, 2007 7:41 AM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [NYLEWIS] please post >>> >>>Can't help but we used that (honyoks) around Pittsford, NY as well. Al >>> >>>Al White >>>[email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>________________________________________ >>PeoplePC Online >>A better way to Internet >>http://www.peoplepc.com >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Everyone I changed the subject line okay> The Event was called "The Hungarian Grape Festival" and it was held annually in Greig on the R side of the road on the corner just prior to where you turned L to go up to Brantingham Lake. The Building where it was held is long gone. That Hall was home to the Hungarian American Association and I remember it being quite active. One of the active member was Charles Mihalyi of Glenfield NY. Sad to think of all the Good Times and now they are no more. The Lewis County Area had quite a large population of Polish American's also. In the Village of Glenfield, Lewis County New York many were the times I danced the night away to the Music of Mary Konkol and her Orchestra (one of our wonderful local Glenfield NY Accordion Players) at the Polish American Hall on top of the Hill in the Glenfield. Not to mention all the wedding receptions and parties I attended there. When I wasn't there I was up at St Hedwig's in Houseville NY dancing to the music of Johnny Jaski and his Orchestra from Utica NY. Back then I never got tired and danced the Polka and Oberek all night long without sitting out except on break. Ran into a couple of my old dance partners last year at my brother's funeral and they wanted to know if I stilled danced. GEE married a man with 2 Left feet. But I still get a few steps in here and there. Just a week ago at the Legion Birthday I did 3 Jitterbug's in one night. Pat R

I remember one of those big windigs. A Hungarian/Polish picnic,it twas; dancing, and great food. Probably lots of beer too but I was not old enough to drink then. Back in the early 50's. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

this is wild one word and there's dozen of sites that explain or hope to explain the word yahoo has some,google has some ,there are blogs about it etc ...the foremost definition of "honyok" probably really means mischievous as children can very well be......word to your mother!! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Wild Honyocks When we were little and acting up, our parents would always tell us to stop acting like a bunch of wild honyocks (the 'o' sounds like the 'o' in Hon--the office furniture makers). For as long as I've been able to talk, I've been calling my brothers wild honyocks and telling the dog to stop acting like a wild honyock and wondering who left the mess in the kitchen, perhaps a band of maurading wild honyocks? I had no idea what a honyock was. I thought it was just some kind of made up word that meant "barbarian" but more on the 'acting like a nincompoop' side and less on the 'actually hurt anyone' side. But, it turns out that honyock is a disparaging term, for whom exactly is unclear, perhaps the Hungarians, perhaps just anyone of Central European extraction. OED has it linked to the word 'hunk' which was a disparaging term for east-central Europeans who came to the US to farm. It seems to have been used to mean east-central Europeans specifically only in the 1910s and then taken on the broader meaning of just 'assorted wild-behaving folks' in the late 30s. Anyway, I like the word. And so I'm torn. I have a loose policy of calling people what they want to be called (sometimes identified as "PC"-ness, but I think of it more as good manners) and not using words that people find hurtful just because I can. But I wonder when, if ever, there comes a point when words that were made up just to disparage people run out of the energy they were imbued with? Is there anyone who hears the term 'honyock' and feels it as an ethnic slur anymore? Even if not, does that mean that it's now okay to use it? Barbarian was an ethnic slur. According to OED, it traces its roots back to the Latin "balbus" or stammering, but according to the History Channel, the Greeks thought the Europeans from farther north sounded like sheep "bah, bah, bah." My point being that, though no one wants to be called a barbarian, no one thinks of it as a slur against non-Greek or -Latin speaking Europeans anymore. It's a tough place for me, who likes to believe that words always carry with them the traces of what they used to mean, and who also likes to scold the dog by calling her a honyock. So, I guess I'm going to retire the term. I'm not sure it's wrong to use it, but I can't quite justify to myself knowing what it was originally intended for and keeping it in my day-to-day vocabulary. Sadly, there will be no more calls of "wild honyocks" heard at my house. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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closest terms i can find for honyocks from the second term I assume it meant ignorant instead for children...thus not calling them a "bad" name to their face??? Honyock, honyocker, hunyak, honyak ____________________________________ HONYOCK – var. hunyak. HONYOCKER – n. (honyock, var. of hunyak + er) Northern Plains. 1. a homesteader or nester; (broadly) a yokel; boor. – used contemptuously. (first known use listed 1912). 2. hunyak. 1949. HUNYAK or HONYAK – n. (if hunyak is indeed the orig. form, perh. alter. of Hun, 1 + -y- + (Po)lack) Midwest. 1. an immigrant from Central or Southern Europe, usu. a Magyar or Slav. – also used attribu. – used contemptuously. (first known use listed: 1907-10). 2. an ignorant homesteader or farmer; yokel; lout. (first known use listed: 1927). >From “Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang, Volume 1, H-O” by J.E. Lighter, Random House, New York, 1994. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.