This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vlbcfb Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16698.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Count your blessings. I DID read thru all of Ward 9 in the 1855 census as I know my family were there from 1851 on thru numerous records, including the city directory. But somehow the census missed them tho his brother is there and they lived on the same block, sigh. Can't find my Thomas Graham and family anywhere in the 1855 census. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: roaldsj Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16551.3.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Jean. As you may have seen I have done this search on behalf of relatives of Harald Ingmar. I forwarded your answer to her, and waiting for her to reply. I think harald were an uncle of one of her parents. When I get answer i put them in her. Roald Sjursen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rickathedj Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16698.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Bob. You just saved me from flipping through 393 images from the wrong location. And an even brighter side is that New Utrecht only has 57 images. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BobNY Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16698.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is no ward to seek in 1865 since Bay Ridge was not yet part of Brooklyn. What you want is the Town of New Utrecht which includes Bay Ridge. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rickathedj Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16698/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm preparing to search the 1865 NY State Census image by image, so I want to make sure I'm at least in the right ward. I'm told Bay Ridge has been Ward 9 since at least 1910. Was it always designated as such? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jon02002 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, and since I do not have a specific month and date of birth for Virginia, I will probably purchase a copy of the birth certificate (through my dad) for Joseph or Raphealla. I guess I can deduce that if a sibling (or both) were born in Philly, then perhaps Virginia/Vincenza was, too, in 1920. Still, though, the knowledge gap is still frustrating. Thank you! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rdpiet Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My error. For some reasoon I had Fayette county on the brain...........The family was in Philadelphia in 1920......... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jon02002 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your encouragement and support. - Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rdpiet Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: One can not change were they came from or what transpired in the past........One can only change were they are going...I have encoutered this wall of secrecy in the past and will never understand why. P[ple react in various ways to things in the past. My dad's family has a history of profound secrecy over anything concerning Virginia/Vincenza...... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jon02002 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Right, I applied for the copy of the birth certificate before I knew of Antonietta's death in Philly in 1922. My dad has a cousin (Raphealla's daughter) living in Florida to whom I will write and ask: 1. Antonietta was her materal grandmother 2. Did she die in 1922 from Tuberculosis 3. Was Antonietta's daughter Raphealla born in Philly. Hopefully, my father's cousin will be willing to answer these questions if she knows the answers. My dad's family has a history of profound secrecy over anything concerning Virginia/Vincenza. Maybe taking this approach won't scare anyone off. Thanks again for your continued support and assistance. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rdpiet Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Fayette county and Phildelphia are at opposite ends of the state. Geitng the recrd forRapheal may assist you.. Antonietta Natale - 27 - Philadelphia - wife of Carmine Natale died 27 January 1922 of Tuberculosis Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jon02002 Surnames: Natale Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.3.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: THANK YOU so much! This piece your provided is right on the money: Carmine: birth: 14 November 1892 death: March 1978 New York I don't think Virginia/Vincenza was born in New York. I think she was born in Pennsylvania, according to census records. Carmine's three children born around the time of the "young bride" Maria Natale's death: Raphealla - 1917 Joseph - 1918 Virgina/Vincenza - 1920 You have been so helpful in this process of eliminate and application. I sincerely appreciate your efforts in my search for Virginia/Vincenza!!!! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ArmisAngelis Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Joe Glad that the clippings were of interest - please tell your dad that he is very welcome. Some more thoughts while you and your dad wait for Raphealla's birth certificate, which may or may not confirm that Sabar was her mother's maiden name. In an earlier post I noted that "The Pennsylvania death indices has an Antonetta Natale dying 2nd April 1920 - Collingdale - state file number 47679" On further research I don't think that this is relevant to your family. The following records are much more likely to apply, 'if' the 1915 Connellsville Marriage License Application and the1920 US Census suggestions that I posted earlier, are not such long shots, after all! 'If' these are the right Carmine Natale, then Virginia/Vincenza was 'probably' born in Philadelphia rather than Connellsville. "The Pennsylvania death indices has an Antionette Natale dying 27 January 1922 - Philadelphia - state file number 2498" N340 Soundex code - 125/133 http://www.health.state.pa.us/indices/indices - death/1922 Death/D-22 M-N.pdf >From "Sons of Italy in America Pennsylvania Order, Records" Antonietta Natale - 27 - Philadelphia - wife of Carmine Natale died 27 January 1922 of Tuberculosis Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Do check out rootsweb for the Fayette county posting site. I was checking For relatives in that area, (don't live anywhere even close to there) and found the Fayette Website group very, very helpful. I ordered records from the county office, and again- I thought there records were terrific. I did not have success with LDS records, rather the assistance, newspaper clippings, census, Etc. Good luck CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this communication may be privileged, confidential and protected from use and disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you for your cooperation. Please consider the environment before printing this document

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jon02002 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you, Chris. - Joe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jon02002 Surnames: Natale Sabar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Well, I've looked into the LDS birth indices for Virginia's record with no luck. In my recent searching I've found that she may also be identified as Vincenza (or Vincentza), but no dice there either. This I do know: she had a brother Joseph, born 19 July 1918 and died in Feb 1945 fighting in WWII in Europe, _no_ birth record in LDS' Pennsylvania, Births and Christenings, 1709-1950 index. She also had a sister Raphaella, born 5 February 1917, _no_ birth record in the same LDS index. I will post in the Fayette County, Pennsylvania forum again this week with some updated information. My dad has placed a request for a copy of Raphaella's birth certificate to see if there is any tie to the individuals we found in a Fayette County, PA (Connellsville), marriage license citing Carmine Natale as the groom and a Ontonetta D. Sabar as the bride. Perhaps if I can be concrete about Ontonetta being the mother of these three children, it will help me. Thank you so much for all your assistance. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jfclark819 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have no new info but have been following this thread. Just wanted to tell you my fingers are crossed tightly for you and Dad. Chris Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jon02002 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.3.1.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank YOU SO VERY MUCH for the clippings. I remember my dad telling me about the gas leak and the deaths behind his house in Long Island City. When I showed my dad the clippings about Joseph Natale's body being returned, he teared up. He is grateful and wanted me to pass his thanks to you. All of these clippings are incredible. I can't wait to show him the wedding annoucement. Thanks, again. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johncurlew Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16696.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks, I'll give them a call. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rdpiet Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16694.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You have a very narrow window for Virginia's birt as I previously pointed out......... Did you check to see if LDS has borth indexes for the county ?? or have you checked with the county of birth ?? or posted a mesage on the message board for that county to see if assistance can be obtained....... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.