This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gopgal55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16364.1.1.1.1.4.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Lynn: Municipal Archives said they would send me the cert "ASAP." Have not received it yet. Once I have that I will know more. I personally scoured the LDS film of the church where little Moses' was baptized. There is no record of a twin's baptism. In the register book itself, it states that Moses was born in Jersey City, and that was typed on the certificate when I ordered it from the church, Holy Rosary in JErsey City. The family always lived in Hoboken, so why he was baptized in Jersey City is unknown. The rest of the kids were baptized in Hoboken. Yes, that is the family below. Info is incorrect. Lucia had 14 or 15 children. Only one son lived to adulthood, Gabriel Moses, born October 1892. The indices definitely are incomplete, which is ok. A lot of people don't realize that. WIll be in touch when I have more info. Thank you Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Mark - just a thought. My grandfathers name was Richard Bennett Reynolds. When he went to the US he used Richard Bennett. He also used it on his draft card, so try all varieties of his name Jody ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:26 PM Subject: [NYKINGS] Another try at a Brickwall > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: foster2244 > Surnames: SASSER > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16370/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I have been searching for someone calling himself Anthony SASSER. I have > found him on three records; WWI Draft Card, 1920 Bklyn Census, and 1930 > Queens Census. > I have been unable to find a birth record for 5/8/1892 in Bklyn (on his > draft card), a marriage record from abt 1910 (Est from Census), or a death > record anywhere. Everything else I know about him is on my Tree on > Ancestry called FOSTER and LAUN Genealogy v3. > My question right now is what documentation, if any, had to be produced to > register for the Draft? > I'm wondering if he changed his name at some point prior to the draft card > and that's why I can't find a birth or marriage record. > Any research thoughts other than the countless hours online and at the > Archives in Manhattan would be appreciated. > Thanks > Mark > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lhillman Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16364.1.1.1.1.4.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Well...this is an interesting thread! A couple of comments... I have a 1890/Manhattan birth certificate for twins. It is one piece of paper with TWO, consecutive certificate numbers and the names of both children, a boy and a girl. For what it's worth, both children are indexed on the NYC and Family Search sites. I also have a WI birth certificate for a female child with the name of Louis (not Louise) who was baptised Maria Carolina Wilhemine. (The parents names and birthdate on both documents are the same and the birth certificate gives the right address for the family.) I have no idea how that got so mixed up other than to assume that the parents changed their minds about the name and/or the midwife made something up. I had desperately hoped that this was a case of twins as it would finally locate the couple's 'missing' child who is known to be a boy, but no such luck! As an aside, your comment about these indexes not being complete may be somewhat misleading to new researchers so if I may add on to it...the index can only list the documents that were filed with the city. If a birth certificate was never made, and in this time frame MANY weren't, the document won't be found because it doesn't exist. We must be careful to not apply modern standards to hundred-year old activities. And that circles back to the point made by earlier posters - baptism and birth are two separate events, not usually ocurring on the same day. It is entirely possible that the Iaccarinnos were visiting friends and family in Brooklyn and little Moses popped out unexpectedly. Back to the main story...the plot thickens! I looked at the 1900 census entry for Salvatore and Lucia, enumerated in Hoboken as Jeccorina, Salvitor and Lucy. (I assume that this your family.) Lucy is noted as being the mother of 6 children, all of whom are living and enumerated with her: Annie - b. October 1888 Katie - b. March 1890 Gabriel - b. October 1891 Mary - b. July 1894 Louise - b. May 1897 Christine - b. November 1899 Do you see the problem? There is marginally enough time to have had a baby in October 1893 and then again in July 1894. It means that Lucy would have had to have gotten pregnant nearly immediately after the birth of the twins and and then delivered Mary prematurely. Certainly, this a a possibility - a full term pregnancy is considered to last, on average, 270 days. Assuming that Mary was born on July 31, 301 days elapsed between her birth and that of the presumed twins. But obviously, as we move earlier into July that window narrows and so one has to also question the probability of such events. This being said, while you are waiting on the Municipal Archives to find your certificate, I would also go back to the church that holds the baptismal certificate and ask if they have a record of the (presumed) twin's birth/death. I'd also ask for (if you don't already have them) baptismal certificates for the other children as well as the death record for Moses. Be sure to ask for all indentifying information including baptismal date, parents occupations and address, baptismal sponsors, and in the case of Moses, the cemetery name. The point is to compare information and make sure that - hard as it is to believe - there are not TWO Salvatore Iaccarrino and Lucia Ruggerios. It happens more often than you think, particularly if the names in question are common to the ethnicity of the family. Finally, PLEASE post back when you have the information. I'm very curious to hear the end of this story! Lynn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I've "rescued" a group of photographs belonging to the BUTMAN and COOK Family including the following: 1 - Henry BUTMAN, taken 1886 at the Smith Studio in Evanston, IL - man in his 40's or 50's 2 - Carroll V. B. BUTMAN, born 17 Mar 1889 in Evanston, IL - taken at the Smith Studio in Evanston, IL - infant 3 - Cora F. COOK BUTMAN of Taunton, MA, taken at the S. L. Stein Studio in Milwaukee, WI - 1880's or 1890's - woman in her 30's 4 - Emily BUTMAN, taken 1876 at Sarony's in New York, NY - young woman in teens or 20's Based on limited research I was able to gather the following information regarding this family: Henry BUTMAN was b. 23 Jun 1843 in NY. Henry's first marriage was to Emily VAN BENSCHOTEN on 10 Dec 1863 in Cook Co. IL. Henry's second marriage was to Josephine VAN BUNSCHOTEN or BENSCHOTEN on 18 Jan 1888 in IL. Henry's third marriage was to Cora F. MITCHELL on 5 Mar 1891 in Cook Co. IL. Charles Carroll BUTMAN was b. 17 Mar 1889 to parents Henry & Josephine VAN BENSCHOTEN. Cora F. COOK was b. 1850 to parents William COOK Jr. (b. 24 Jun 1817 in Tiverton, RI) and Frances A. PRATT. Cora first married Edwin S. STAPLES on 12 Oct 1871 in Taunton, MA. Cora's second marriage was to ? MITCHEL or MITCHELL, and Cora's third marriage was to Henry BUTMAN. Census records provide the following information: 1870 census of Brooklyn, NY: Henry BUTMAN, age 27, a Machine Agent, born NY Emily BUTMAN, age 26, born NY Elmira BUTMAN, age 5, born NY Alice BUTMAN, age 1, born NY 1900 census of Hyde Park/Chicago, IL: Henry BUTMAN, age 56, born Jun 1843, married 9 years, born NY, parents born Wales/NY, a Real Estate Agent Cora F. BUTMAN, wife, age 49, born Aug 1850, married 9 years, 3 children/1 living, born MA, parents born RI/MA + 8 Boarders 1920 census of Youngstown, OH: Henry BUTMAN, age 76, born NY, parents born NY Cora F. BUTMAN, wife, age 69, born MA, parents born RI/MA, a Perfume Agent + 2 Lodgers 1930 census of Riverdale Town, MD: Cora F. BUTMAN, age 79, a widow, married at age 21, born MA, parents born RI/MA Herbert B. MITCHEL, son, age 51, married at age 25, born MA, parents born MA, a High School Professor Mary P. MITCHEL, dau-in-law, age 49, married at age 23, born MD, parents born MD/England, a Dept Store Saleslady Herbert F. MITCHEL Jr., grandson, age 16, born PA Mary J. MITCHEL, granddau, age 11, born MO I am hoping to locate someone from this family so that these wonderful old treasures can be returned to the family. If you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: feleanor25 Surnames: Horwitz ,White,Stone Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/1253.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John j Horwitz 08/02/1918 new hanpshire mother leah white horwitz not sure when henry was born died in his early 20s WW2 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WilliamJasonMcKay Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/3870.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Good Evening, William Sanford would be my Great, Great Grandfather on my Mother's side. His name was William McNulty (b 1916) and his mother was Florence Sanford. Would you have any other information on Florence Sanford? Best Regards, Jason McKay Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: S_KERR Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16369.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Call the number that was provided. You'll find that the price is less then $90. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: marilyncande Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/1138.2.1.2.2.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Laura, Glad to see we have another Candee out there. Lyman Candee was my 3rd great grandfather. My line goes Edward willard Candee,Willard Lyman, Williad Cornwell, Mom Jeannette Candee. I have Hester Alexandra Brooks Candee's Death Certificate. It lists Alexander Brooks as her father and Hannah King as her Mother. Hope that helps Marilyn lyman Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MargeCounterman75 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16369.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Long walk for me - I am in Indiana!! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: slouer Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/1341.3.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: http://www.homeoint.org/books3/hospital/accredited3.htm has picture on this site Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gailcoon1009 Surnames: Quinn Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/1341.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My sister was born in Prospect Heights Hospital 1956 I would love to see the old photo you have. Making a Ancestry book would look lovely in it. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: S_KERR Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16369.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The fee is $90 for wills dated before 1920. If you are in the area you can go to the court and request to see the will. If you need to make copies it's 25 or 35 cents a copy. I was there a few times this year - the staff is helpful. Once you look at the will I suggest that you only copy the pages that are needed. Good luck Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MargeCounterman75 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16369.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, that was certainly interesting. I can't afford those high fees!!!!! I guess I don't need it after all!! Thanks for answering, however. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WalterGreenspan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16369.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You might want to check with the Probate Department of the Surrogate's Court for the County of Kings: Probate Department Surrogate's Court Kings County 2 Johnson Street New York (Brooklyn P.O.), NY 11201 Tel: 347/404-9700 Fax: 718/643-6237 eMail: ????? http://www.courts.state.ny.us/courts/2jd/kings.shtml#surrogate The fee for one probate file lookup is $90. There are also per page copy fees, and there may be a difference between fees charged for certified and uncertified copies, if available. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MargeCounterman75 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16369/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Where/how can I get a copy of a will from January 1988? He lived and died in Kings County. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alisonascot Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/1138.2.1.2.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Laural, I'm awfully busy at present but very happy to know of another cousin. My great grandmother was Hester Lousia Candee, and I believe Harriet and Hester were sisters, but in all honesty am not sure and don't have time to check right now. I have posted just about all the photos I have of those Candee relatives on Find a Grave - have you checked those names out? I'd love to see your photos! Contact me via this site if you'd like to be in touch. I seem to recall running into some dead ends re Hester Alexandra Brooks family, too. Hope something turns up! Best Wishes, Alison Scott Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ljportz Surnames: Candee Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/1138.2.1.2.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I'm late to this party of Candee exchanges but I'd like to get in. My 4X G grandfather was Lyman Candee, I'm descended from his daughter Harriett Louisa Candee. I would very much like to share information and photos with any descendants. Anyone figure out who Hester Alexandra Brook's family was, other than her father? I found her grandmother on the 1880 census but I'm uncertain of her first name and of course don't know her maiden name. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gopgal55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16364.1.1.1.1.4.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks. I have not tried the wildcard search on that web site. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: S_KERR Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16364.1.1.1.1.4.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: On the first page of each index it states if indexing has been completed or not. The births say it's a work in progress. But note the indexing is only as good as what information is provided, written, and transcribed. I use the wildcard option when someone cannot be found. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gopgal55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16364.1.1.1.1.4.2.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is great info! Saves me so much back and forth! I really appreciate your assistance! Have a great day! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.