This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vansicklen1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16420.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This looks like her in the 1920 census indexed as VONMEYER (and spelled that way). This Sophie is at the 323 West 87th address, the only one I could find at that address (see attached). VONMEYER, SOPHIE (1920 U.S. Census) NEW YORK , NEW YORK, MANHATTAN Age: 44, Female, Race: WHITE, Born: GERM NARA Series: T625 Roll: 1202 Page: 54 ED 702, sheet # 19B, address: 323 West 87th Street Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nancyfermazin1 Surnames: STRIEBECK; von REYN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16421/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Trying to find death information on Charles A Striebeck born in Duisburg, Germany on 13 April 1845. who lived in Manhattan. I think he died around 1910-1915 in Manhattan Looking for death information and cemetery where buried Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: S_KERR Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16420.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: using the address found in the articles I checked the 1940 Census. Neither Sophie or Everhardt were living at 323 W 87th in 1940 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 3423200 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16419.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Morning Helen, Ancestry.com has a sections "Periodicals & Newspapers". I would imagine he would br mentioned in "Newspapers". Liz Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 3423200 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16419.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Morning Helen, Ancestry.com has a sections "Periodicals & Newspapers". I would imagine he would br mentioned in "Newspapers". Liz Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: S_KERR Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16420.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Found this at German Genealogy Group (http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/) Name: Vonreyn Sophie Age: 75 y Date of Death: Jan 4 1946 Certificate Number: 682 County: Manhattan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vansicklen1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16420.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Her 1920 to 1930 address is seen in the attached. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eGENEee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.4.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The family also lived on Atlantic in the 1930 Census -- but at a different address. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eGENEee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.4.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Another person had already posted that article as an attachment earlier in the thread... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nancyfermazin1 Surnames: STRIEBECK; von REYN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16420/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for Sophie von Reyn in the 1920 and 1930 and 1940 Manhattan NY census May be listed as Sophie von Reyn or Sophie Striebech was in 1900 and 1910 census Cannot find in the other 3 census born in Germany 1864 arrived in 1892 married charles Striebeck in NY in 1892 Child Everhardt Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: newlots Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.4.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, that's what I meant. It seems Alfred was in trouble with the law. If I knew who the searcher's email was I would send her the info. Helen from B'klyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Joyful Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.4.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I used the address from the 1937 newspaper (2859 Atlantic Av) to look for Alfred in the 1940 census. He is not at that address, but the family is: 1940 Census New York, Kings, New York Township: Brooklyn ED 24-2635, (Page 20 on ancestry.com) Lines 74-74 2859 Atlantic Avenue Ziegler, William, head, m, w, 58, m, no, 8, New York, Same Place (answering where they lived in 1935), Elevator Operator, Dept Store Alice, daughter, f, w, 20, s, no, H-2, New York, Same Place Paul, son, m, w, 21, s, no, H-4, New York, Same Place, Laborer, Glue Factory Florence, daughter, f, w, 17, s, yes, H-2, New York, Same Place John, son, m, w, 15, s, yes, 8, New York, Same Place alice is on a line which asks Supplemental Questions: Alice Ziegler, father b. New York, Mother b. New York, speaks English, no occupation Joy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eGENEee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.3.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Since it's likely that he was sent to the Elmira Reformatory sometime between 1927 and 1936, you could try researching their records. They are available at the New York State archives. See their website for info: http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/research/res_topics_gen_guide_prison.shtml Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eGENEee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you mean "Old Fulton Post Cards"? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: eGENEee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.3.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Two things -- the census was mainly a "head count" so I don't think they were intent on complete accuracy AND neighbors tended to be much closer in the "old days." It was assumed that people knew something about their neighbors. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: newlots Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, google it, The Post Card, look for the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, New York, Monday, June 21,1937. Put in his full name, some info will come up. Alfred was 24 at the time, so he would have been born abt. 1913. If you can't find let me know. Helen from B'klyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Joyful Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.3.1.2.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From ancestry.com US City Directories, 1821-1989 (Beta) Brooklyn, New York, City Directory, 1933 Ziegler, Alf r96 Jamaica av Ziegler, Henrietta pkr r96 Jamaica Ziegler, Wm (Edith) elev opr h96 Jamaica av (I found this by browsing the directory, not on an index) So in 1933 Alfred was still living at home Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: doreenatlisprincdotcom Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.3.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Wait! You mean the census info could have been given by a neighbor? How could anyone taking a census think that could be remotely accurate? No wonder this is so difficult! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: POOHDOOH Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.3.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you gotten Alfred's birth certificate or any other source documentation about his parents and siblings? These will often clues to other areas to look to confirm his full name and actual birth date, if not providing the information you seek. HTH Catherine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Joyful Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.kings/16417.3.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I think your frustration may be from searching for too specific criteria. I know that you believe Alfred was his first name, and it very well could have been. But it is also possible that it was a middle name and he went by his middle name. People do that all the time. Both of my parents have gone by their middle names their entire lives. Take a look again at the 1920 and 1930 census for William Ziegler and Edith Martin's family. Bear in mind that we don't know who gave the information to the census taker. It could have been one of the parents, one of the children, even a neighbor. The information is a good guideline, but NOT necessarily FACT. 1920 Census Borough of Brooklyn, Kings, New York 7 January 1920 Ziegler, William, head, m, w, 37, m, New York, New York, New York, Operator, Elevator Edith, wife, f, w, 36, m, New York, New York, New York Alfred, son, m, w, 7, s, New York, New York, New York Henrietta, daughter, f, w, 5, s, New York, New York, New York Paul, son, m, w, 1 11/12, s, New York, New York, New York Alice, daughter, f, w, 0/12, s, New York, New York, New York MacCallen, Dorothy, step daughter, f, w, 16, s, New York, New York, New York, Operator, apron factory Source Citation: Year: 1920; Census Place: Brooklyn Assembly District 22, Kings, New York; Roll: T625_1179; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 1411; Image: 1023. 1930 Census Brooklyn borough, Kings, New York April 5, 1930 Ziegler, William E, head, m, w, 48, m, 30, New York, New York, New York, Operator, Dry goods store Edith C, wife, f, w, 47, m, 29, New York, New York, New York William A, son, m, w, 17, s, New York, New York, New York, Auto Mechanic, Auto Exchange Henrietta M, daughter, f, w, 15, s, New York, New York, New York Paul E, son, m, w, 12, s, New York, New York, New York Alice P, daughter, f, w, 10, s, New York, New York, New York Florence, daughter, f, w, 7 3/12, s, New York, New York, New York John W, son, m, w, 5 2/12, s, New York, New York, New York Moser, Dorothy E, daughter, f, w, 25, d, New York, New York, New York Zeigler, Alice S, sister, f, w, 47, s, New York, New York, New York, Forelady, Multigraph Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Brooklyn, Kings, New York; Roll: 1540; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 487; Image: 724.0; FHL microfilm: 2341275. Now comparing: 1920 - Ziegler, William, head, m, w, 37, m, New York, New York, New York, Operator, Elevator 1930 - Ziegler, William E, head, m, w, 48, m, 30, New York, New York, New York, Operator, Dry goods store 1920 - Edith, wife, f, w, 36, m, New York, New York, New York 1930 - Edith C, wife, f, w, 47, m, 29, New York, New York, New York 1920 - Alfred, son, m, w, 7, s, New York, New York, New York 1930 - William A, son, m, w, 17, s, New York, New York, New York, Auto Mechanic, Auto Exchange 1920 - Henrietta, daughter, f, w, 5, s, New York, New York, New York 1930 - Henrietta M, daughter, f, w, 15, s, New York, New York, New York 1920 - Paul, son, m, w, 1 11/12, s, New York, New York, New York 1930 - Paul E, son, m, w, 12, s, New York, New York, New York 1920 - Alice, daughter, f, w, 0/12, s, New York, New York, New York 1930 - Alice P, daughter, f, w, 10, s, New York, New York, New York 1920 - MacCallen, Dorothy, step daughter, f, w, 16, s, New York, New York, New York, Operator, apron factory 1930 - Moser, Dorothy E, daughter, f, w, 25, d, New York, New York, New York Too Young for 1920 Census 1930 - Florence, daughter, f, w, 7 3/12, s, New York, New York, New York 1930 - Moser, Dorothy E, daughter, f, w, 25, d, New York, New York, New York Not with Family in 1920 1930 - Zeigler, Alice S, sister, f, w, 47, s, New York, New York, New York, Forelady, Multigraph If Alfred from 1920 is not William A in 1930, who do you propose that William A is? He is not on the 1920 Census, and would have been 7 years old. His name could have been William Alfred and they called him Alfred because his father's name was William and two Williams could be confusing. If he was in trouble with the law they may have called him William in 1930 to avoid embarrassment. His name could have been Alfred William and it was just written backward in 1930. There are lots of possibilities. Also consider that his birth year could have been 1912 instead of 1913. The census he is on in 1920 is on January 7... so he would turn 8 during 1920... ----------- U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 about Alfred W Ziegler Name: Alfred W Ziegler Birth Year: 1912 Race: White, citizen (White) Nativity State or Country: New York State of Residence: New York County or City: Kings Enlistment Date: 14 May 1941 Enlistment State: New York Enlistment City: Jamaica Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA Branch Code: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA Grade: Private Grade Code: Private Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men) Source: Civil Life Education: Grammar school Civil Occupation: Gardeners and grounds keepers, parks, cemetaries, etc. Marital Status: Single, without dependents Height: 68 Weight: 146 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.