Hi List I am at my wit's end trying to figure out this family mess. so may I pick the brains of some of you to see if someone can give me a hand, please. Marvin Hill, b 1836 ,Philadelphia Twp, to Laura___Hill/Hatch, and _____Hill Oscar his brother, was born 1843. In 1850 they are living in Jefferson county, Wilna Twp. with Sylvanus Hatch and Lara and going by the name of Hatch. (I found in the LDS Records where Laura Hill married Sylvanus Hatch in 1848) In the 1855 NY State census, they are still with Sylvanus and Laura, but have assumed the last name of HILL. (Family story goes the mother and father never married, but I doubt that considering the following facts) In 1860 Marvin has left the family and we were told was chopping wood out in the wilds, and was probably missed in this census. Oscar, Laura and Sylvanus have moved to St Lawrence Co, along with additional children born to Laura and Sylvanus. Now it gets a bit harrowing. Marvin's death cert says his mother was Laura Hatch and his father was George HILL. While Oscar's death cert says that his mother was Laura KING and his father was Walter HILL. In 1860 I found a Milo KING with his wife, Ann, living in Jefferson County with her father and mother, Daniel HILL and Sally. Marvin named his first son MILO KING HILL. That seems too much to be a coincidence. My supposition is this: Laura is a KING, and sister to Milo. Walter/George or whoever the father of Marvin and Oscar was, probably died and Laura remarried Sylvanus Hatch. I believe their father is a brother to Anne and the son of Daniel and Sally. Is there anyone out there, in Web land who is researching Daniel Hill and Sally who maybe could offer me a clue??. PLEASE!! I've been working this line for over 10 years and keep running into you know what. Several people have been kind enough to help me and have hit the same barrier. ANY info that might give me a direction to look would sure be appreciated. Regards Bonnie in Idaho