This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.jefferson/12434.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: have not found her obit yet, but you could write a nice note to the cemetery caretakes , enclose some money for stamp, and copy costs and see who else is buried with him. perhaps then you could get a death date if ellen buried with him, making an obit easier to find