I wish to thank all who reponded to my posting. I enjoyed reading the variations. My chilhood years were in South Jefferson County during the Depression, however, I never went hungry. My father always raised a pig, mother raised chickens, plus there was always a large garden for fresh veggies and later canned. Milk was plentiful. We used to go wild blackberry picking. I have often wondered how the people in the large cities such as New York, Chicago, etc. survived. Happy Holidays to all! Florence

Hi listers I'm new to you. Have a bit of information on some Jefferson Co. people from my Husband's lines. The Hills and Hewitts. Visit my home page at http://members.tripod.com/bonniehill Please email me if you have any questions. Thanks Bonnie in Idaho

Hi everyone, I would like to formally announce the birth of Patrick Hays' Migrations Project. We're still in the beta test stage, but I would like to invite you to come visit our pages. Lynn Brandvold, is co hosting the Dutchess County site with me and we are also looking for volunteers to over see county pages. Please come pay us a visit and feel free to post your migratory data. There are many pages online, and some will shortly follow. http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnnyus/migrations/nymigrations.htm Debbie Axtman Tuscola County Genealogy ALHN Coordinator http://www.usgennet.org/~ahmitusc/tuscola.htm ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Co-State Coordinator. New York ALHN http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnnyus/nyalhn.htm ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` County Coordinator Dutchess, NY ALHN http://www.usgennet.org/~ahnydutc/dutchess.htm ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` County Coordinator Jefferson, NY ALHN http://www.usgennet.org/~ahnyjeff/jefferson.htm ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` County Coordinator Otsego, NY ALHN http://www.usgennet.org/~ahnyotse/otsego.htm ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Other MI ALHN Counties http://www.usgennet.org/~ahmilape/lapeer.htm http://www.usgennet.org/~ahmikent/kent.html ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

Hi List!! I know Jefferson Co., NY is a long way from these "North Alabama Hills", but I had to reply to your request. The Traditionally we will have Ham hocks and black eyed peas for New Year Day noon meal. For those not knowing what a ham hock is; the small end of the ham is the hock. When the ham was smoked in the smoke house to preserve them, this end was up, it not as good as the rest. If it is cut off the bone and cooked in the pot with black eyed peas is very tasty. Jim jgilbert@hiwaay.net HTTP://home.hiwaay.net/~jgilbert/ma/john1/thomas1/onstrong/d1.htm

Hi list My father, who hailed from OK, always had black eyed peas for New Year's dinner because it was supposed to mean you wouldn't go hungry the rest of the year. And they always wanted a piece of silver in their hand when the New Year rolled around so they wouldn't be broke that year. Regards Bonnie in Idaho

Nancy, how very nice of you to share your Xmas meal "eats", "menu," with us all. Sounds just like my mother's, "God rest her soul," holiday meal she raised us girls to know. Good food, indeed. You brought back wonderful memories. Thanks...you sound just like one of our family, referring to what we eat, during the holidays, today. Love your Web Page...Have used it a lot. God bless, and Happy New Year, to you and yours. Cheer Nikki NikkiEH@Webtv.net

Florence Secor wrote: > > I vaguely remember (and I don't have Alzheimer's) that Pork was served for a traditional New Year's Dinner. Just looked in an older cook book and saw two New > Does our heritage determine the traditional dinner; that is, Italian, German, Irish, French, English, etc.? I believe that most of our people just enjoy eatin > > I live in a small senior's building and would like to serve a "traditional" dinner in our community room on New Year's Day. > > Had thought of Roast Pork with sweet & sour red cabbage for starters. > > Open minded for your suggestions. > Florence @ Henderson, NY I was brought up here in Jefferson County in the '30s, and I believe roast pork was a New Year's Day tradition. Certainly our heritage determines our traditions. Here in Jefferson County the weather had become cold enough for butchering, and pork was the poor farmer's meat. Beef was for the more affluent, who could spare a cow, a bull, or a calf. Mother served roast pork, with sage and black pepper rubbed on it. Sometimes she also made "stuffing", the same dressing she made for stuffing poultry, of bread cubes, onions, sage, and salt and pepper. The stuffing baked right along with the pork, not for the cholesterol conscious. A crisp browned cube of bread, with its bottom resting in the clear pork fat, was delicious to a child coming in from the cold. The dinner ALWAYS included home made applesauce, either fresh or canned; potatoes, usually boiled, and cabbage salad with a homemade dressing of oil and vinegar with sugar. If we were affluent enough, there might be baked yams (sweets, my mother called them) Dessert would be pie: mince or pumpkin, perhaps apple. No lettuce, because that was out of season, and expensive. The vegetable would be from the root cellar: carrots, perhaps, or turnips, or maybe some home canned tomatoes. Traditional perhaps for our family only. Nan Dixon -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/

Nancy As a former Watertown gal, we had ham. Down here they have collard green and blackeyed peas and the ham (hocks). Happy holidays. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Dixon <nandixon@gisco.net> To: <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [NYJEFFER-L] TRADITIONAL NEW YEAR'S DINNER > Florence Secor wrote: > > > > I vaguely remember (and I don't have Alzheimer's) that Pork was served for a traditional New Year's Dinner. Just looked in an older cook book and saw two New > > Does our heritage determine the traditional dinner; that is, Italian, German, Irish, French, English, etc.? I believe that most of our people just enjoy eatin > > > > I live in a small senior's building and would like to serve a "traditional" dinner in our community room on New Year's Day. > > > > Had thought of Roast Pork with sweet & sour red cabbage for starters. > > > > Open minded for your suggestions. > > Florence @ Henderson, NY > > I was brought up here in Jefferson County in the '30s, and I believe roast pork was a > New Year's Day tradition. Certainly our heritage determines our traditions. Here in > Jefferson County the weather had become cold enough for butchering, and pork was the > poor farmer's meat. Beef was for the more affluent, who could spare a cow, a bull, or a > calf. > > Mother served roast pork, with sage and black pepper rubbed on it. Sometimes she also > made "stuffing", the same dressing she made for stuffing poultry, of bread cubes, > onions, sage, and salt and pepper. The stuffing baked right along with the pork, not > for the cholesterol conscious. A crisp browned cube of bread, with its bottom resting > in the clear pork fat, was delicious to a child coming in from the cold. The dinner > ALWAYS included home made applesauce, either fresh or canned; potatoes, usually boiled, > and cabbage salad with a homemade dressing of oil and vinegar with sugar. If we were > affluent enough, there might be baked yams (sweets, my mother called them) Dessert > would be pie: mince or pumpkin, perhaps apple. No lettuce, because that was out of > season, and expensive. The vegetable would be from the root cellar: carrots, perhaps, > or turnips, or maybe some home canned tomatoes. > > Traditional perhaps for our family only. > > Nan Dixon > -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/ > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

I know this is a vague question, but can anyone please tell me the names of some of the very prominent businessmen working in Watertown in Spring 1952? Thanks! Mark

I vaguely remember (and I don't have Alzheimer's) that Pork was served for a traditional New Year's Dinner. Just looked in an older cook book and saw two New Year's dinners: one is Roast Duck and the other is Roast Beef. Does our heritage determine the traditional dinner; that is, Italian, German, Irish, French, English, etc.? I believe that most of our people just enjoy eating when it is someone else's cooking. I live in a small senior's building and would like to serve a "traditional" dinner in our community room on New Year's Day. Had thought of Roast Pork with sweet & sour red cabbage for starters. Open minded for your suggestions. Florence @ Henderson, NY

Hi, Family lore has it that she was a teacher in Watertown, NY. Sarah Augusta Strong b. 4//25/1840 in Rodman, Jefferson Co., NY m. Pierson Mundy no dates. Daughter of Henry and Sarah Melissa Pettibone Strong. Can anyone help me on this one? Jim jgilbert@hiwaay.net

William MacKay wrote: > > Naive question to webmaster: Where on the net are past messages posted? Took a little time, but thanks to the friendly county coordinators, Linda from Dublin Ireland came up with it, and I checked it out. http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Let me know if this is what you want. Nan -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/

Dan: Have you checked out the Ancestral File on the internet? Some of the people you mentioned are there. However, I don't know if their lineage goes back any further than you already have. I have a number of Petrie and Bellinger and Zimmerman in my own file, but none of the ones you want. Ray

Hi, I'm a displaced Jefferson County resident, currently in the military in Omaha. I've been stuck on the following folks for a few years now: Peter Scott b. ca. 1784 d. 1859 buried in the Chaufty Corners cemetery, Town of Theresa. He married Gertrude ? who is buried in the same cem. Looking for Peter's parents. Their son Lawrence was born in Little Falls in 1812. Henry Petrie, b. ca. 1810 m. Catherine Walts. She died 28 May 1847 and is buried near Perch RIver. Their son Wm was born in 1835 in the town of Leray and married Orinda Zimmerman Bellinger. Good old Henry has frustrated me for some time..this should be an easy enough link to the Palatine families of the Mohawk Valley. Richard Bellinger, b. 1810 prob. Montgomery County. d. 1859 and is buried in the Parrish cemetery in Pamelia. He married Catharine Fink who d. 1879, same burial place. Their dau. was the Orinda mentioned above. Parents of Richard are as elusive as those of Henry Petrie's. Considering Orinda's middle name of Zimmerman I have a lead or two (if I'm supposing the right thing) but who knows. Elizabeth Lavanch Vebber, b. ca. 1832, d. 23 Jun 1880, bur in Evans Mills. She m. Peter Sixbury (who is descended from Robert). I know there was a Vebber who helped do some building of the Hoover hotel in Evans Mills but can find no connection. BTW for you Hoover desc. the hotel was remodeled a few years back and looks a sight better than it did. Warner Nellis, b. ca. 1798?, d. 20 Dec 1883. m. Elizabeth Byrnes. Here's another transplanted Palatine desc. from the Mohawk that I can't find the parents of. Warner seems to be a rather uncommon name for that family...Warner is bur. in a cemetery near Perch River. John Gould (nice common New England name like Cole:)) b. maybe ca. 1766, perhaps in Rutland, VT. d. 31 May 1842 and is bur. in the Parrish cem. in Pamelia. He m. Eunice Smith who d. 8 Mar 1865 bur. in the same place. Matthew Mitchell b. perhaps 1771 in VT, d. 6 Apr 1838 and is bur. in Lafargeville. He m. Mary Turner. The recent talk of Pamelia is making me homesick:) It's a cute little village, just a couple of hundred of souls. Nice gently rolling dairy farmland. There are still numerous fine examples of the limestone houses that were built in the 1800s. Cheers and thanks for any help anyone may be able to offer. Dan Pillsbury

Mark, You may find what you are looking for on Jefferson Co., NY web site; http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/ Hope this helps!! Jim jgilbert@hiwaay.net At 04:21 PM 12/14/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >I am trying to locate records of Asa MANLEY who served in Bellinger's Regiment >during the War of 1812. He filed (date unknown) an equipment claim years later >from his residence in Trumbull Co., Ohio, and was awarded $30.00 by New York >State. > >I'd like to know if he participated in any of the engagement's in Sackets >Harbor, Jefferson Co., NY. > >He lived near Sackets from at least 1820 to 1830. > >Thanks, >Mark Wentling >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~legends/welcome.html > > > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > >

I am trying to locate records of Asa MANLEY who served in Bellinger's Regiment during the War of 1812. He filed (date unknown) an equipment claim years later from his residence in Trumbull Co., Ohio, and was awarded $30.00 by New York State. I'd like to know if he participated in any of the engagement's in Sackets Harbor, Jefferson Co., NY. He lived near Sackets from at least 1820 to 1830. Thanks, Mark Wentling http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~legends/welcome.html

Mark I think your Amanda must be related to my Coles from Westmoreland, NH. Some of them emigrated to Jefferson Co. NY in the early 1800's. One was Levi Cole of Watertown. My Edith Cole married Benoni Patten at Westmoreland and later lived at Theresa, Orleans, Alexandria, and perhaps other places in Jefferson Co. I haven't sorted out all the Coles yet. If I find Amanda, I'll let you know. Jerry Quick Boise, ID -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wentling <mwentlin@ngs.org> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 8:44 AM Subject: [NYJEFFER-L] Amanda (COLE) Kilborn, b. 1830, d. 1913, Orleans?, Jefferson Co., NY > > >Looking for the parents of Amanda COLE, born 1830 in New York (probably >Jefferson Co.), died 1913 probably in the town of Orleans, Jefferson Co., New >York. > >In 1849 in Jefferson Co., she married Samuel KILBORN, born 1809 in Plainfield, >Otsego Co., New York. Samuel was a hotel keeper on Main St. in LaFargeville >(probably Orleans House), until his death in 1881. > >I don't think Amanda remarried after his death. > >They had two children that I know of: Monroe and Mary. > >Any help would be appreciated! > >Sincerely, >Mark A. Wentling >P.S. -- For more info, visit my website at >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~legends/welcome.html -- Click on KILBORN > > > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Looking for the parents of Amanda COLE, born 1830 in New York (probably Jefferson Co.), died 1913 probably in the town of Orleans, Jefferson Co., New York. In 1849 in Jefferson Co., she married Samuel KILBORN, born 1809 in Plainfield, Otsego Co., New York. Samuel was a hotel keeper on Main St. in LaFargeville (probably Orleans House), until his death in 1881. I don't think Amanda remarried after his death. They had two children that I know of: Monroe and Mary. Any help would be appreciated! Sincerely, Mark A. Wentling P.S. -- For more info, visit my website at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~legends/welcome.html -- Click on KILBORN

William MacKay wrote: > > Naive question to webmaster: Where on the net are past messages posted? Naive webmaster to questioner: Saved? Are they saved? Am I supposed to save them? Have a dreadful feeling I should, now that I've been deleting to keep my inbasket under 1000 messages... Will ask, and post answer to list. I'm as new at this list as most of you! Nan Dixon -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/

For all those researching the early STOKES, STOODLEY, & LANE families that settled in Hounsfield and Adams between 1832 and 1856, I have good news for you! I have discovered the place of origin in England of these families and have posted my findings on my website at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~legends/welcome.html These families lived in the same place in England, married one another, then settled together in Jefferson County over the course of several years. Hope to hear from any relatives! Thanks, Mark