The following is a note I found in family papers of my G. Grandmother Louise Salsbury Wilbur who lived next door to Elnathan Lucas, 7 Jackson St., Watertown,Jeff. N.Y. Elnathan Lucas No. 7 Jackson St. Born Oct. 12, 1798 in Middletown, Conn. Moved into the town of Pinckney, Lewis County on the 1st day of June 1809. Was in the war of 1812. Was in the patriot war - found the stolen guns in the arsenal arrested Billy Johnson. served as constable a great many years in this County Built the Church, Hotel & Tannery at Burville. During 4th of July Celebration in Burrville had his fingers shot off while firing the cannon. Built the Columbia House on the present site of the Globe Hotel in this City owned the building when it burned. Blazed the trees to mark the state road from Sacketts Harbor to Utica. One of a family of 12, 5 of whom are now living. His decendants number between 70 and 80 The above is typed as written which is in old handwriting. Would be glad to send a copy of the original to anyone interested by sending me a stamped, addressed envelope to: Dorothy Beasley 4138 S. Rifle Way Aurora, Co. I checked the Family Search and there is a Elnathan Lucas born 16 - Dec. - 1747 - Middletown, Middlesex, Conn. Married 17 - June - 1773 - Middletown, Middlesex. Conn.

As an Australian descendant of Isaac TRIPP of Watertown (or more likely Champion) I am absolutely thrilled that the mail list exists and that so many volunteers are willing to make so much information available on the web. I have very little chance of being able to travel to Jefferson County to do my own research. reading the mailing list, even for names I have no connection with is fascinating. Having so much information about the history of Jefferson County and the genealogy available on the web is a goldmine. I am giving myself a crash course in American history to make and sense of all the information I am gathering. Thank you all for being so willing to share your knowledge and time Cheers Marianne Punshon :-))

We now have six towns up from the Child's Business Directory, thanks to our tireless volunteers! TOWN OF CHAMPION TOWN OF ELLISBURGH TOWN OF LORRAINE TOWN OF LYME TOWN OF RODMAN TOWN OF WATERTOWN The occupations are fun to look at. Notice that the majority claim to be farmers, or own farms, a much different society from today's. A surprising number of women are listed, as dressmakers, teachers, store owners, milliners, and even as farmers. It's a far more complete list than the biographies. >From the address below, go to the Website and click on Child's Business Directory. Nan Dixon -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/

I used to get the Jefferson county messages with a uniform prefix that grouped them nicely in my incoming mail. Recently they are scattered all around among the 30 or more other messages I get each day (from other lists). What happened and why? I liked it the old way. Is anyone else bothered by this? Hubbard SEWARD

The Jefferson County GenWebSite, address below, put up the following lookups today. Access them under Lookups, either in the Site Index, or under Lookups on the main page. 1. War of 1812 Pension numbers. 2. Membership records of Seventh Day Baptists in Central New York State, including Jefferson County, from 1797-1940s. 3. Haddock's "Centennial History of Jefferson County" Please remember that these people are volunteering their time, and their only pay is your kind consideration, and a prompt thank you. If there is anyone in the Washington DC area who is willing to get some information concerning the War of 1812 soldiers for the site, please contact me personally for particulars, at nandixon@gisco.net Good hunting! Nan Dixon -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/

Hi Sally -- Thank you for the "public" recognition of the help I was able to provide to you. It is quite gratifying. I must also say that you are more than welcome -- it is my small way of returning to others some of my time and skill and knowledge that I am usually unable to give back to those who directly help me with MY researches and who do so without thought of personal gain... There are many great folks in this category who have helped me in the past -- associated with the many Jefferson Co websites and webpages, as well as others, too, who are members / subscribers to the several great Jefferson County maillists/newsletters such as this one.. and others -- individuals who do nothing more than leave a query or surname posting about someone in Jefferson County [that leads me into contact with them], and then depart as they "surf on through". I'm glad you have been so successful this time.// Gord JRH1036@aol.com wrote: Subject: CONVERSE Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:32:17 -0800 Resent-From: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:31:58 EST From: JRH1036@aol.com To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > I'd like to say a big "thank you" to Gord HINES for giving me some tips on > how to research the family of my g-X-3-grandfather, Hiram CONVERSE. The > results were spectacular! > > It seems that Hiram was the second child of Theron CONVERSE and Nancy CASE. > This couple had 14 children (including 2 sets of female twins) over a period > of 25 years. The first 4 -- Aurelia (b. 25 Nov 1800), Hiram (b. 30 Jun > 1802), Julius Case (b. 1804), and Thomas Norton (b. Aug 1806) -- were all b. > in Bridgewater, Oneida Co., NY. The rest of the children were all b. at > Watertown, Jefferson Co., NY: Miles (b. 5 Mar 1809), Pamela Mott (b. 1811), Ch > arlotte Alice (b. 25 Feb 1813), Nancy Evaline (b. 29 Mar 1815), twins Marietta > and Sarietta (b. 18 Feb 1817), twins Lavilla and Rosilla (b. 25 Mar 1820), Th > eron Dwight (b. 13 Feb 1822), and George (b. 20 Nov 1825). > > Hiram m. wife #1, Fanny DUDLEY (b. 28 Oct 1806, probably at Watertown, > Jefferson Co., NY; d. between 1840-1848, Mason, Ingham Co., MI). He m. wife > #2, Melissa HORTH, 1849, Ingham Co., MI) > > Theron, Thomas, and a James CONVERSE, were all listed as early settlers of > Jefferson Co., NY at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/earlsect.htm> > > The Hiram CONVERSE who won the prize for the best team of oxen at the > Watertown Ag. Fair of 1856 was probably b. 1829, the son of Thomas CONVERSE, > and a cousin of my Hiram CONVERSE. > > With so many CONVERSEs floating around Jefferson Co., there must be someone > on the list who is connected in some way! If so, I'd sure like to make > contact. > > Best Regards -- and thanks again, Gord! > Sally BOLSTER HOLCOMBE > <jrh1036@aol.com> > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

I'd like to say a big "thank you" to Gord HINES for giving me some tips on how to research the family of my g-X-3-grandfather, Hiram CONVERSE. The results were spectacular! It seems that Hiram was the second child of Theron CONVERSE and Nancy CASE. This couple had 14 children (including 2 sets of female twins) over a period of 25 years. The first 4 -- Aurelia (b. 25 Nov 1800), Hiram (b. 30 Jun 1802), Julius Case (b. 1804), and Thomas Norton (b. Aug 1806) -- were all b. in Bridgewater, Oneida Co., NY. The rest of the children were all b. at Watertown, Jefferson Co., NY: Miles (b. 5 Mar 1809), Pamela Mott (b. 1811), Ch arlotte Alice (b. 25 Feb 1813), Nancy Evaline (b. 29 Mar 1815), twins Marietta and Sarietta (b. 18 Feb 1817), twins Lavilla and Rosilla (b. 25 Mar 1820), Th eron Dwight (b. 13 Feb 1822), and George (b. 20 Nov 1825). Hiram m. wife #1, Fanny DUDLEY (b. 28 Oct 1806, probably at Watertown, Jefferson Co., NY; d. between 1840-1848, Mason, Ingham Co., MI). He m. wife #2, Melissa HORTH, 1849, Ingham Co., MI) Theron, Thomas, and a James CONVERSE, were all listed as early settlers of Jefferson Co., NY at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/earlsect.htm> The Hiram CONVERSE who won the prize for the best team of oxen at the Watertown Ag. Fair of 1856 was probably b. 1829, the son of Thomas CONVERSE, and a cousin of my Hiram CONVERSE. With so many CONVERSEs floating around Jefferson Co., there must be someone on the list who is connected in some way! If so, I'd sure like to make contact. Best Regards -- and thanks again, Gord! Sally BOLSTER HOLCOMBE <jrh1036@aol.com>

Hi again -- Here's an addendum to my previous posting [see my earlier message below]. I overlooked providing the web address for the 1850 Jefferson Co NY census for those of you who might not have seen it during recent discussions in this list. Here is the url: http://www.genexchange.com/1850Searchco.cfm?state=ny&county=jefferson It is part of the main Jefferson Co NYGenExchange site coordinated by Bonnie Shafer at http://www.genexchange.com/ny/jefferson/ Mark Wentling's "Town of Hounsfield" page is at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~legends/hounsfield-alhn.html It provides an extensive set of links to additional Jefferson Co NY genealogy resources, including the Jefferson County GenWeb project, coordinated by Nan Dixon, at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/ This is a marvelous resource in its own right. Be sure to check out all of Mark's links. He's done a great job. Happy hunting!!// Gord <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Gord Hines wrote: Subject: Searching within the 1850 Jefferson Co. Census Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:50:02 -0800 Resent-From: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:49:47 -0600 From: Gord Hines <ghines@sk.sympatico.ca> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Hi Listers -- This is the answer to a question posed by Mark Wentling in his > posting last week, to wit: > "Also, is there any way that an alphabetical list of persons in the database (or > at least a list of surnames) could be made accessible through the database? > It is difficult to find a person when one doesn't know the census takers used an > alternate spelling of the actual name -- such a list would solve that problem...." > (see full text copy below) > > The 1850 census surname search engine is more flexible than the instructions on the > site would suggest. You do NOT need to type in a complete surname... > > There are several ways to find a person with an elusive spelling: > (1) Type only the first few letters of the surname -- a list of all persons in the > database whose surnames start with those letters will be returned. > > An extreme example of this it to type only the letter "a" -- this search > yields 939 records -- too many to look at 25 at a time... > but with two letters, things become manageable "ab" = 47 records, "ac" = 72 > records > That's only 2-3 screens to scan if those two letters will get you started. > > (2) Try all your variant spellings in this same manner... > > In my own case, I used HIN and got 60 records -- 42 that were ones I wanted to > look up (HINDS, HINE, HINES -- and none for variants HINS, HIND, HINDES). I used > HYN for the variants HYNDS/HYNDES/HYNES/HYNS (there were no records). I used HEI > for the variants HEINS, HEINES, HEINZ, HEINTZ (there were no records). I checked > HAN for HANES (we've found that spelling a few times) (there were none in the 50 > records returned). > > Interesting find: I checked HIR (we've seen HIRES for HINES)... and found > only two records -- both for the apparent surname of "Hired Girl", both with a > first name Mary in the same household (ages 12 & 17 both born Ire)... curious! > > COMMENT: It would be nice to be able to search on any of the fields (especially > dwelling number or family number). It would save alot of time by grouping family > members all together in one search result. ... and for Mary the hired girl, we'd > know who she lived with and be able to do further research without have to go to > the original census record sheet. > > (3) watch out for the first letter(s) being incorrect or part of the variant (your > past experience might be your guide here, depending on your surname. > For example, SHAFER vs SCHAFER or SCHMIDT vs SMITH > or PHARR vs FARR > I'm sure everyone has there own version of this kind of thing. > > That's it... hope this suggestion helps a few researchers. > > // Gord Hines (in Regina SK Canada) > > ps: I know there are still more variants of HINES, but the ones above serve the > demonstration purpose. > > Mark Wentling wrote: > Subject: RE: 1850 Jefferson Co. Census > Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:45:27 -0800 > Resent-From: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:44:38 -0500 > From: "Mark Wentling" <mwentlin@ngs.org> > To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > > > Here is the answer to Michael's question . . . . . > > > > --Mark > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Mark Wentling/HQ/NGS on 02/08/2000 09:44 AM > > --------------------------- > > > > "Boni" <boni@ix.netcom.com> on 02/06/2000 10:18:31 AM > > > > To: Mark Wentling/HQ/NGS@NGSDOMAIN > > cc: > > Subject: RE: NYGenExchange: 1850 Jefferson Co. Census > > > > Mark > > Sorry it's taken so long to answer your email. > > > > The following is a list of census finished and online at genexchange > > Adam, A-bay, Brownsville, Clayton, Hounsfield, LeRay, Lyme, Pamelia, Rodman, > > Rutland, Theresa, and Watertown.. > > > > We have four more about ready to enter online : Ellisburg and Worth are > > about ready... > > Champian, Orleans still need a little more editing. > > By May we hope to have Ellisburg, Worth, Champion, and Orleans online , > > which will give us 16 of the 22 town. > > > > . > > Do to health problems of our volunteer's. The remaining four towns have not > > been recorded or entered into a data base. > > I've been told I should have waited till all 22 town where finished, it may > > have been another year or two . > > > > Bonnie Shafer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Wentling [mailto:mwentlin@ngs.org] > > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:01 AM > > To: boni@ix.netcom.com > > Subject: NYGenExchange: 1850 Jefferson Co. Census > > > > Hi Bonnie, > > > > I'd like to thank you and your volunteers for putting the valuable 1850 > > census > > data for Jefferson County online in a searchable format -- it's a fantastic > > resource! > > > > Some of us Jefferson County researchers, myself included, have searched for > > ancestors that we know were living in the county, but they do not show up in > > the > > database. I am wondering if you could perhaps tell me what portions of the > > census have not yet been uploaded to the database, or what parts might have > > been > > skipped. > > > > Also, is there any way that an alphabetical list of persons in the database > > (or > > at least a list of surnames) could be made accessible through the database? > > It > > is difficult to find a person when one doesn't know the censustakersused an > > alternate spelling of the actual name -- such a list would solve that > > problem > > because people to pick out the variants for themselves. > > > > Thanks again very much for this great resource -- it's nice to have such a > > complete tool online and not just an index! > > > > Regards, > > Mark A. Wentling > > > > ============================== > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > 12.8 million individuals and counting. > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Hi Listers -- This is the answer to a question posed by Mark Wentling in his posting last week, to wit: "Also, is there any way that an alphabetical list of persons in the database (or at least a list of surnames) could be made accessible through the database? It is difficult to find a person when one doesn't know the census takers used an alternate spelling of the actual name -- such a list would solve that problem...." (see full text copy below) The 1850 census surname search engine is more flexible than the instructions on the site would suggest. You do NOT need to type in a complete surname... There are several ways to find a person with an elusive spelling: (1) Type only the first few letters of the surname -- a list of all persons in the database whose surnames start with those letters will be returned. An extreme example of this it to type only the letter "a" -- this search yields 939 records -- too many to look at 25 at a time... but with two letters, things become manageable "ab" = 47 records, "ac" = 72 records That's only 2-3 screens to scan if those two letters will get you started. (2) Try all your variant spellings in this same manner... In my own case, I used HIN and got 60 records -- 42 that were ones I wanted to look up (HINDS, HINE, HINES -- and none for variants HINS, HIND, HINDES). I used HYN for the variants HYNDS/HYNDES/HYNES/HYNS (there were no records). I used HEI for the variants HEINS, HEINES, HEINZ, HEINTZ (there were no records). I checked HAN for HANES (we've found that spelling a few times) (there were none in the 50 records returned). Interesting find: I checked HIR (we've seen HIRES for HINES)... and found only two records -- both for the apparent surname of "Hired Girl", both with a first name Mary in the same household (ages 12 & 17 both born Ire)... curious! COMMENT: It would be nice to be able to search on any of the fields (especially dwelling number or family number). It would save alot of time by grouping family members all together in one search result. ... and for Mary the hired girl, we'd know who she lived with and be able to do further research without have to go to the original census record sheet. (3) watch out for the first letter(s) being incorrect or part of the variant (your past experience might be your guide here, depending on your surname. For example, SHAFER vs SCHAFER or SCHMIDT vs SMITH or PHARR vs FARR I'm sure everyone has there own version of this kind of thing. That's it... hope this suggestion helps a few researchers. // Gord Hines (in Regina SK Canada) ps: I know there are still more variants of HINES, but the ones above serve the demonstration purpose. Mark Wentling wrote: Subject: RE: 1850 Jefferson Co. Census Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:45:27 -0800 Resent-From: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:44:38 -0500 From: "Mark Wentling" <mwentlin@ngs.org> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Here is the answer to Michael's question . . . . . > > --Mark > ---------------------- Forwarded by Mark Wentling/HQ/NGS on 02/08/2000 09:44 AM > --------------------------- > > "Boni" <boni@ix.netcom.com> on 02/06/2000 10:18:31 AM > > To: Mark Wentling/HQ/NGS@NGSDOMAIN > cc: > Subject: RE: NYGenExchange: 1850 Jefferson Co. Census > > Mark > Sorry it's taken so long to answer your email. > > The following is a list of census finished and online at genexchange > Adam, A-bay, Brownsville, Clayton, Hounsfield, LeRay, Lyme, Pamelia, Rodman, > Rutland, Theresa, and Watertown.. > > We have four more about ready to enter online : Ellisburg and Worth are > about ready... > Champian, Orleans still need a little more editing. > By May we hope to have Ellisburg, Worth, Champion, and Orleans online , > which will give us 16 of the 22 town. > > . > Do to health problems of our volunteer's. The remaining four towns have not > been recorded or entered into a data base. > I've been told I should have waited till all 22 town where finished, it may > have been another year or two . > > Bonnie Shafer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Wentling [mailto:mwentlin@ngs.org] > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:01 AM > To: boni@ix.netcom.com > Subject: NYGenExchange: 1850 Jefferson Co. Census > > Hi Bonnie, > > I'd like to thank you and your volunteers for putting the valuable 1850 > census > data for Jefferson County online in a searchable format -- it's a fantastic > resource! > > Some of us Jefferson County researchers, myself included, have searched for > ancestors that we know were living in the county, but they do not show up in > the > database. I am wondering if you could perhaps tell me what portions of the > census have not yet been uploaded to the database, or what parts might have > been > skipped. > > Also, is there any way that an alphabetical list of persons in the database > (or > at least a list of surnames) could be made accessible through the database? > It > is difficult to find a person when one doesn't know the censustakersused an > alternate spelling of the actual name -- such a list would solve that > problem > because people to pick out the variants for themselves. > > Thanks again very much for this great resource -- it's nice to have such a > complete tool online and not just an index! > > Regards, > Mark A. Wentling > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > 12.8 million individuals and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Hi Sally -- go to the LDS IGI custom search site at http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchigi.asp and enter him in the first name & surname fields ...and choose north america and USA You'll get 36 hits .... I'm sure your guy is the one with the birth & marriage in Watertown/ Jefferson Co -- but could also be the Oneida Co (#25 to #32) just double click on the likely records to see parents or spouse info.... If you do get a spouse (e.g. Fanny Dudley for #32), search again with both their names in the search fields for father and mother (right hand side) AND north america & USA also... -- you'll get 17 records for their kids in the family group (some duplication of records -- check them all -- the IGI has lots of errors -- but also a lot that is good solid stuff!!). Hope this is useful new info for you. // Gord Hines (in Regina SK CA) [I replied directly to Sally but thought some future CONVERSE researcher might look for this answer in the maillist archives.//grh] JRH1036@aol.com wrote: Subject: Hiram Converse Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:00:23 -0800 Resent-From: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:59:46 EST From: JRH1036@aol.com To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Hello, Listmembers, > > I'm a new subscriber to your list. I found the following at a Univ. of MI > site this a.m.: > > "At an Agricultural Fair held at Watertown, in the State of New York, on > the > 2d day of October, 1856, two hundred and twenty premiums, ranging from > three to fifty dollars each, were awarded to successful > competitors....From the > proceedings of the Awarding Committee we make the following extracts: > "Best Team of Oxen Hiram > CONVERSE.............................$50.00..." > > I am searching for any information on this Hiram CONVERSE -- his descendants > and ancestors. I am a great-X-3-granddaughter of one Hiram CONVERSE who, in > 1851, was postmaster of Mason, Ingham Co., MI. I'm wondering if there is a > connection. I hope to hear from someone on this list. Thank you. > > Best Regards, > Sally BOLSTER HOLCOMBE > <jrh1036@aol.com> > Researching in New York: BODENSTEIN, BOLSTER, CAREY, CHILDS, CONVERSE, > DELANEY, HOLCOMB(E), LEWIS, LYON, WEEKS/WICKS. > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

Looking for Peter Barnes father of Darwin Barnes from Luis Co NY. Peter born 12 Oct. 1799 Montgomery Co NY. All children born in Denmark and Copenhagen NY. He married Sarah Sally Rogers 13 Apr 1835. Had 10 children. Daughter Lovina married William Porter Bliss. Could use more on them but they had no children. ANy Newspaper obits or letters would be nice. James William Barnes child #10 born 28 Dec 1857. Married a Katherine Smith and Catherine Smyth. Both in Watertown area. Could use more on them. Darwin Barnes child # 9 married Abi Emily Francis, daughter of John Francis and Mary Ellen Freeman. Could use a lot more on them before they went west. Any help appreciated and rewarded. GB

Of course, the 1865 New York State Census is available in partial form in William Litchman's compilation. Organized by town, his multi-volume set gives every name, age, and page number. Although it doesn't include everything, it's quite useful. The New York Public Library has a complete set, which also includes agricultural schedules, 1864-1865 birth, deaths, and marriages. -----Original Message----- From: Ruthanne Leister [mailto:rjleister@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 9:07 PM To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: 1865 New York State Census I was just going to ask this same question. I found the index in the Salt Lake FHC in the Jefferson Co, NY area -- not in the census area. I was surprised. The people who were working that evening had no idea either how to access the original and the library here (Salt Lake) doesn't have it. I found our family mentioned in it but I want to see what additional info there is. As I recall the index is divided into several books, by towns. Some have multiple towns in them. Ruthanne Michael Jackman wrote: > > I found this on the NYS Archives Page. How do I access the 1865 census? Does the Jefferson County Clerk have copies of the 1865 census? I know what page to look at, because I used the index to the 1865 census. > > ====================================== > > Census Records > > The Archives holds the original schedules of the State population census for 1915 and 1925(series A0275, A0276). The schedules are not indexed, and Archives staff will not search them except to provide legal proof of age. The schedules are fragile, and therefore use is restricted. The 1915 and 1925 census schedules and key maps for large cities are available on microform at the State Library. Manuscript schedules of the State census for 1801- 1905 were destroyed by fire in 1911. Some county clerks' offices hold duplicate copies of some of the State censuses taken periodically between 1825 and 1925. For further information on these census records, see New York State Census Records, 1790- 1925 (N.Y. State Library Bibliography Bulletin 88, 1981). > > Michael Jackman, P.O. Box 3663 > Grand Central Station, New York, NY 10163 > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > 12.8 million individuals and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

When I was in Watertown a few years ago, I looked at the state census records in the Watertown Courthouse. They had all of them for Jeff Co plus the agricultural censuses that listed all the details of my ancestor's farm in 1850 and 1855. Just one idea, if you live in the area. --Kelly

Hello, Listmembers, I'm a new subscriber to your list. I found the following at a Univ. of MI site this a.m.: "At an Agricultural Fair held at Watertown, in the State of New York, on the 2d day of October, 1856, two hundred and twenty premiums, ranging from three to fifty dollars each, were awarded to successful competitors....From the proceedings of the Awarding Committee we make the following extracts: "Best Team of Oxen Hiram CONVERSE.............................$50.00..." I am searching for any information on this Hiram CONVERSE -- his descendants and ancestors. I am a great-X-3-granddaughter of one Hiram CONVERSE who, in 1851, was postmaster of Mason, Ingham Co., MI. I'm wondering if there is a connection. I hope to hear from someone on this list. Thank you. Best Regards, Sally BOLSTER HOLCOMBE <jrh1036@aol.com> Researching in New York: BODENSTEIN, BOLSTER, CAREY, CHILDS, CONVERSE, DELANEY, HOLCOMB(E), LEWIS, LYON, WEEKS/WICKS.

I was just going to ask this same question. I found the index in the Salt Lake FHC in the Jefferson Co, NY area -- not in the census area. I was surprised. The people who were working that evening had no idea either how to access the original and the library here (Salt Lake) doesn't have it. I found our family mentioned in it but I want to see what additional info there is. As I recall the index is divided into several books, by towns. Some have multiple towns in them. Ruthanne Michael Jackman wrote: > > I found this on the NYS Archives Page. How do I access the 1865 census? Does the Jefferson County Clerk have copies of the 1865 census? I know what page to look at, because I used the index to the 1865 census. > > ====================================== > > Census Records > > The Archives holds the original schedules of the State population census for 1915 and 1925(series A0275, A0276). The schedules are not indexed, and Archives staff will not search them except to provide legal proof of age. The schedules are fragile, and therefore use is restricted. The 1915 and 1925 census schedules and key maps for large cities are available on microform at the State Library. Manuscript schedules of the State census for 1801- 1905 were destroyed by fire in 1911. Some county clerks' offices hold duplicate copies of some of the State censuses taken periodically between 1825 and 1925. For further information on these census records, see New York State Census Records, 1790- 1925 (N.Y. State Library Bibliography Bulletin 88, 1981). > > Michael Jackman, P.O. Box 3663 > Grand Central Station, New York, NY 10163 > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > 12.8 million individuals and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

I found this on the NYS Archives Page. How do I access the 1865 census? Does the Jefferson County Clerk have copies of the 1865 census? I know what page to look at, because I used the index to the 1865 census. ====================================== Census Records The Archives holds the original schedules of the State population census for 1915 and 1925(series A0275, A0276). The schedules are not indexed, and Archives staff will not search them except to provide legal proof of age. The schedules are fragile, and therefore use is restricted. The 1915 and 1925 census schedules and key maps for large cities are available on microform at the State Library. Manuscript schedules of the State census for 1801- 1905 were destroyed by fire in 1911. Some county clerks' offices hold duplicate copies of some of the State censuses taken periodically between 1825 and 1925. For further information on these census records, see New York State Census Records, 1790- 1925 (N.Y. State Library Bibliography Bulletin 88, 1981). Michael Jackman, P.O. Box 3663 Grand Central Station, New York, NY 10163 --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

I am researching Jacob Kirscher (sometimes spelled Kircher) and Caroline Barr (sometimes spelled Bahr). According to the 1850 census, the following people were in the household. Jacob Kircher, age 33, farmer, born in Germany Caroline Kircher, age 24, born in France Caroline Kircher, age 9, born in New York David Kircher, age 6, born in New York Jacob Kircher, age 4, born in New York Jacob Bahr, age 57, farmer, born in France (Caroline's father) Liliann Bahr, age 18, born in New York (Caroline's brother) Frederick Bahr, age 12, born in New York (Caroline's sister) Elizabeth Kircher, age 1, born in New York Caroline died in 1864, and Jacob moved the family (those that were still home) in 1869 to Verona, Dane County, WI. What I am trying to find out is if they were actually German or French. Any help would be appreciated. Kathy Blomquist kblomqu410@aol.com

Looking for information on the family of Bradley HUBBS. His wife Mary HUBBS died Feb. 1887 at Brownville, Jeff Co., N.Y. Information on their descendants would be greatly appreciated. Thank-You!

Here is the answer to Michael's question . . . . . --Mark ---------------------- Forwarded by Mark Wentling/HQ/NGS on 02/08/2000 09:44 AM --------------------------- "Boni" <boni@ix.netcom.com> on 02/06/2000 10:18:31 AM To: Mark Wentling/HQ/NGS@NGSDOMAIN cc: Subject: RE: NYGenExchange: 1850 Jefferson Co. Census Mark Sorry it's taken so long to answer your email. The following is a list of census finished and online at genexchange Adam, A-bay, Brownsville, Clayton, Hounsfield, LeRay, Lyme, Pamelia, Rodman, Rutland, Theresa, and Watertown.. We have four more about ready to enter online : Ellisburg and Worth are about ready... Champian, Orleans still need a little more editing. By May we hope to have Ellisburg, Worth, Champion, and Orleans online , which will give us 16 of the 22 town. . Do to health problems of our volunteer's. The remaining four towns have not been recorded or entered into a data base. I've been told I should have waited till all 22 town where finished, it may have been another year or two . Bonnie Shafer -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wentling [mailto:mwentlin@ngs.org] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:01 AM To: boni@ix.netcom.com Subject: NYGenExchange: 1850 Jefferson Co. Census Hi Bonnie, I'd like to thank you and your volunteers for putting the valuable 1850 census data for Jefferson County online in a searchable format -- it's a fantastic resource! Some of us Jefferson County researchers, myself included, have searched for ancestors that we know were living in the county, but they do not show up in the database. I am wondering if you could perhaps tell me what portions of the census have not yet been uploaded to the database, or what parts might have been skipped. Also, is there any way that an alphabetical list of persons in the database (or at least a list of surnames) could be made accessible through the database? It is difficult to find a person when one doesn't know the censustakersused an alternate spelling of the actual name -- such a list would solve that problem because people to pick out the variants for themselves. Thanks again very much for this great resource -- it's nice to have such a complete tool online and not just an index! Regards, Mark A. Wentling

Hi, Folks: I was trying to use the 1850 Census Index on http://www.genexchange.com/ny/jefferson/ and I found none of my Henderson ancestors. In fact, I couldn't find any Henderson residents at all. Is Henderson indexed on this searchable database? Cheers, Michael Jackman, P.O. Box 3663 Grand Central Station, New York, NY 10163 --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't.