----- Original Message ----- From: <Nbowneg@aol.com> To: <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:36 PM Subject: MOODY > I am new to this list. I am doing research on my MOODY line which moved to > Rodman from CT. in the early 1800's. I am hoping to make a trip up north in 2 > weeks. Can someone please tell me the best place to look for old records > regarding this family in Jefferson County? Thanks for the advice, > Nancy in Rosendale, NY > Dear Nancy, Check www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/search.htm for lots of information on Jefferson County libraries, historical, and genealogical societies. Print out the 6 pages. It's very informative and I was glad I took the time to 'study' it. While you're there on the website check out some of the records they have and write down what you check so you don't recheck the records when you are there in person and in a hurry trying to find all you can! All this will familiarize you better with the area and records available so you will be better prepared to do research when you're there. I'll give you addresses and phone number of a couple of places I looked up as they didn't list them on the site. Flower Library: 299 Washington St., Watertown, NY 13601, phone (315) 788-2352. Lyme Heritage Center: Located in Lyme Free Library, 12165 NYS Route 12 E, Village of Chaumont, NY. I called Lyme and they said I needed to write queries to Julia Gosier, 28589 Empire Rd, Three Mile Bay, NY 13693. I asked if I could speak to a volunteer to ask a quick question and was told no, I had to write and send my questions in. Call first to find out when 'genealogy volunteers' are in as they are usually not in as many hours as the regular librarians. These two libraries only charge a small amount for copies, plus postage. Take change for the copy machines. Good luck in your research, Janet

I am new to this list. I am doing research on my MOODY line which moved to Rodman from CT. in the early 1800's. I am hoping to make a trip up north in 2 weeks. Can someone please tell me the best place to look for old records regarding this family in Jefferson County? Thanks for the advice, Nancy in Rosendale, NY

>Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:10:58 -0500 >To: <PAERIE-L@rootsweb.com> >From: Donna Merrill <dmerrill@fastlane.net> >Subject: THOMAS J. BARTON > >Thomas J. BARTON b. 3 Jul 1805 in Dutchess Co., NY. He married 28 Apr 1825 in Richland, Oswego Co., NY to Rhoda N. CALKINS. They lived in Jefferson Co., NY from 1826-1836 then migrated to Oneida Co., NY by 1840 and left there about 1855 to Erie Co., PA. Their children were: >George W. b. 19 Feb 1826 in Jefferson Co., NY >William M. b. 2 May 1827 in Jefferson Co., NY md. Arvilla M. PUTNEY >George W. b. 27 Mar 1829 in Jefferson Co., NY md. 1)Margaret ORR 2) Sophia ORR >Jane Marie b. 12 Nov 1831 in " " " md. Andrew FRAIZER >Lewis b. 2 Apr 1834 in " " " >John Elias b. 18 Feb 1836 in " " " md. Nancy SMITH >Sarah M. b. 3 Oct 1838 in Oneida Co., NY md. Charles NEWSHAM >Helen S. b. 29 MAr 1840 in " " " >Thomas P. b. 9 Sep 1843 " " " md. Caroline BRACE >Julia Estrella b. 13 Jun 1845 in Oneida Co., NY md. Jacob RIPLEY >Franklin Henry b. 30 Sep 1847 " " " md. Louvisa CLINGANSMITH >Charles H. b. 7 Dec 1849 " " " >James b. 5 Jan 1853 in " " " md. Irene DUMAN/DENUM >Frederick J. b. 16 Jul 1854 in " " " md. Mary Emma FOURNEY > >Would like to correspond with anyone working on this family!!! > >Donna Barton Merrill >dmerrill@fastlane.net >

Re: The above query of 4/4/00 4:36 PM regarding Hattie Mae Bartlett Sevey who had married second, Napoleon Saber or Saboris. I MAY have found her listed in the North Watertown Cemetery with death date of 12 April 1930. The listing is only "Hattie Saber" so will need to check this out probably by obtaining a copy of an obit. Also, listed was a William Napoleon Saber d. 15 Dec 1937. Her husband was noted at time of their marriage as Napoleon. This might be husband or child. No date of births listed. Still working on this as well as info re the daughter, Gladys. Eleanor Sevey Goodrich

I had the wrong town on the Amos Hill - he is in Brownville - also there is a Wm H Hill age 34 the same town I don't find any Hill in Lyme 1850 census - what is your source for Lyme? Alice -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Gina <jeffgina@bunt.com> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: Hill, Wheeler, Where can I look now? >I am having problems with my great grandfather William Henry Hill >who was born in 1840 in Jefferson Co. His parents were Amos Hill >& Ursula Wheeler. Their family lived in Jefferson Co. since >Revolutionary times until 1858. I thought I found a lead with >the 1830 & 1840 census, but didn't realize they only list the >head of household and tally up the males and females in the >house, so it was too vague to know if this was the correct Amos. > >Does anyone have any advice where I can look for more help? I am >stationed in Germany and exhausted all the free lookup volunteers >who couldn't turn up much more than the census indexes. > >I'm hoping I'm on the right track with the Amos in Lyme, but like >I said, not sure, if anyone can offer any advice, let me know! >Jeffrey W. Scott >jeffgina@bunt.com >http://www.bunt.com/~jeffgina/ > > >============================== >Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

I found a Amos Hill with a Hannah in the 1850 Lyme census - too young for your Amos. Any other Town they might be in ? Alice -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Hawks Giezentaner <bgiez@juno.com> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Hill, Wheeler, Where can I look now? >New York State did a census in 1855 that listed all the residents in the >household, in fact there is also an agricultural census, so if your >ancestor was a farmer, you could find out the crops and animals he >raised. The NYS census for that year gathered the following info: of what >material the house was built, value, name of every person in the >household and relationship to head, age, sex. color, in what county of >this state, or what other state or foreign country was each resident >born, if married or widowed, years resident in this city or town, >profession, trade or occupation, whether native or naturalized or alien, >persons of color not taxed, owner of land, whether deaf, dumb, blind, >insane or idiotic. The agricultural census asked 108 questions. I think >that the films of the New York State Census is available at the LDS >Family History Centers, but I have not ordered those from there. I looked >at the actual census books at the county building in Buffalo, NY for Erie >County, and at the historians office for Cattaraugus County, NY. I >believe I did look for the census in the FHC catalog and it was difficult >to find, but I did eventually find it. Now if I can just remember how.... > >Barbara Hawks Giezentaner bgiez@juno.com >Saline MI > >Searching for Nathaniel and his son, Rev. Friend FREEMAN in Jefferson >Co., and Friend's wife, Catherine STEWART/STUART > >On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:02:26 +0200 "Jeff & Gina" <jeffgina@bunt.com> >writes: >> I am having problems with my great grandfather William Henry Hill >> who was born in 1840 in Jefferson Co. His parents were Amos Hill >> & Ursula Wheeler. Their family lived in Jefferson Co. since >> Revolutionary times until 1858. I thought I found a lead with >> the 1830 & 1840 census, but didn't realize they only list the >> head of household and tally up the males and females in the >> house, so it was too vague to know if this was the correct Amos. >> >> Does anyone have any advice where I can look for more help? I am >> stationed in Germany and exhausted all the free lookup volunteers >> who couldn't turn up much more than the census indexes. >> >> I'm hoping I'm on the right track with the Amos in Lyme, but like >> I said, not sure, if anyone can offer any advice, let me know! >> Jeffrey W. Scott >> jeffgina@bunt.com >> http://www.bunt.com/~jeffgina/ >> >> >> ============================== >> Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >> RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >> http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >> > > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

New York State did a census in 1855 that listed all the residents in the household, in fact there is also an agricultural census, so if your ancestor was a farmer, you could find out the crops and animals he raised. The NYS census for that year gathered the following info: of what material the house was built, value, name of every person in the household and relationship to head, age, sex. color, in what county of this state, or what other state or foreign country was each resident born, if married or widowed, years resident in this city or town, profession, trade or occupation, whether native or naturalized or alien, persons of color not taxed, owner of land, whether deaf, dumb, blind, insane or idiotic. The agricultural census asked 108 questions. I think that the films of the New York State Census is available at the LDS Family History Centers, but I have not ordered those from there. I looked at the actual census books at the county building in Buffalo, NY for Erie County, and at the historians office for Cattaraugus County, NY. I believe I did look for the census in the FHC catalog and it was difficult to find, but I did eventually find it. Now if I can just remember how.... Barbara Hawks Giezentaner bgiez@juno.com Saline MI Searching for Nathaniel and his son, Rev. Friend FREEMAN in Jefferson Co., and Friend's wife, Catherine STEWART/STUART On Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:02:26 +0200 "Jeff & Gina" <jeffgina@bunt.com> writes: > I am having problems with my great grandfather William Henry Hill > who was born in 1840 in Jefferson Co. His parents were Amos Hill > & Ursula Wheeler. Their family lived in Jefferson Co. since > Revolutionary times until 1858. I thought I found a lead with > the 1830 & 1840 census, but didn't realize they only list the > head of household and tally up the males and females in the > house, so it was too vague to know if this was the correct Amos. > > Does anyone have any advice where I can look for more help? I am > stationed in Germany and exhausted all the free lookup volunteers > who couldn't turn up much more than the census indexes. > > I'm hoping I'm on the right track with the Amos in Lyme, but like > I said, not sure, if anyone can offer any advice, let me know! > Jeffrey W. Scott > jeffgina@bunt.com > http://www.bunt.com/~jeffgina/ > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

In an attempt to research my SEVEY families, after the death of my Grandfather's brother, Silas A. Sevey,( who died sometime between 1902 and 1904, and I have been unable as yet to find his exact date and place of death or burial), his wife, Hattie Bartlett Sevey, married Napolian SABORIS (SABER) on 24 Dec. 1904. I found this family, Hattie Sevey and Napoleon Saboris (Saber) in the 1905 & 1910 census records in the Town of Clifton, St. Lawrence Co., New York , listed with the three Sevey children; Eric E., born 23 Dec. 1896; Vernon S., born 20 Sep. 1900 and Gladdis (Gladys) born 07 Oct 1902, all born in Sevey, St. Lawrence Co., NY. In an obituary of Eric E. Sevey, who died in Watertown on 27 March 1969, it states "he moved with his family to Carthage at the age of 9, and attended schools there." If this information is true, then the family would have been there about 1905-after the census in Clifton? between 1905 and 1910?? Eric was married in Philadelphia in Jan. 1918 and apparently spent most of his life in Watertown. I have found Eric and Vernon, both to their marriages and deaths. I have been unable to trace Gladdis (Gladys) Sevey. Have only her birth record; listed in 1905 census at age two; and the one in Clifton of 24 April 1910, listed as age seven. I would be interested if there is any information in the Carthage area regarding Gladys Sevey and her mother, Hattie Bartlett Sevey SABORIS (SABER). Eric's obit lists survivors as his wife, daughter, a brother, Vernon, a half-brother, Kenneth Saber, of 708 State St. and nieces and nephews. Vernon who died in Syracuse in Feb. 1978 did have one daughter. Children of his sister, Gladys??, married and lived in Carthage? Realize this may be a little mixed up, but would appreciate any information re this family that is in the Carthage area. Thank you for any assistance anyone can provide, or advice as to where I might write for same. Eleanor Sevey Goodrich, Florida

I am having problems with my great grandfather William Henry Hill who was born in 1840 in Jefferson Co. His parents were Amos Hill & Ursula Wheeler. Their family lived in Jefferson Co. since Revolutionary times until 1858. I thought I found a lead with the 1830 & 1840 census, but didn't realize they only list the head of household and tally up the males and females in the house, so it was too vague to know if this was the correct Amos. Does anyone have any advice where I can look for more help? I am stationed in Germany and exhausted all the free lookup volunteers who couldn't turn up much more than the census indexes. I'm hoping I'm on the right track with the Amos in Lyme, but like I said, not sure, if anyone can offer any advice, let me know! Jeffrey W. Scott jeffgina@bunt.com http://www.bunt.com/~jeffgina/

From: Ken and Jan Russon <kenjan@deseretonline.com> To: <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 1:19 PM Subject: St. Paul's Episcopal Church, Brownville I don't know about St. Paul's but when I finally contacted four Jeff.Co. Catholic churches by letter, I was told their records didn't begin until 1852, & one said 1895. Now, I know people were going to church, getting married, and dying & being buried between 1800-1895. I even know Dr. Eli West performed the wedding ceremony of my g-g-grandparents but can't get a written certificate or confirmation. If you get some good answers, please be sure to share them with this list. We will all appreciate it. Thanks. Helen.

Hi, Does anyone know why I can't ever get anyone to answer the phone or answer letters from St. Paul's Episcopal Church in Brownville? I received a page of baptisms from Flower Library, Genealogy Dept., which showed the baptism of my gg uncle, Samuel Alton Bap. 26 Nov 1832. Does the Church still have the records or are they in a repository and if so, where? I'm desperately trying to find the maiden name of his mother, Elisabeth. Father was Lawrence ALTIMES which was changed to ALTON when they came to America in 1829. Thanks, Janet

Howdy All, Would someone in the ACKERMAN family please contact me if they recognize the connection to my family lineage? George Washington PERKINS, the brother of my great-great-grandfather Nathaniel Perkins, married Rhoda ACKERMAN, around 1822 in Jefferson County. I'd like to share information if it will benefit research. Sincerely, Kevin O'Brien Laguna Hills, CA Researching: Shannon Perkins Warner Dorchester Van Schaick Gorman Pinkerton Gauley Lowe Gillie Halley Smith (Jefferson County, NY's Smith's)

I have recently begun a search for my family and I am having a very hard time locating any information on my great grandparents, mostly because of discrepancies in their last names. I went to the Flower Library and got copies of my grandmother and grandfathers obits and the last name for my grandmother was different in both. This is the information that I have for last names: Manen, Mancen. My grandmother was born in Quincy MA, and it says that she moved to the Rutland Hollow area with her parents, Anthony and Mary Mercier Manen as a young child. So I guess my question here is how do I find out her real last name? Do you think that her marriage license would have been filled out by her?? Any help would be appreciated, I decided to start with this side of the family as I knew it would be my hardest!! Donna R Williams e-mail: RONNA-1998@prodigy.net

I think I may have found the printers I am looking for -- Can anyone please tell me who the men were that were running WESTON PRINTERS in Watertown in 1950-1951? Does anyone know what street the business was on? Where the owners lived? When the owners died? Is the company still around today? Are records and photos of their employees available, perhaps at Flower Library? Thank you! Mark A. Wentling Mark Wentling 03/28/2000 09:37 PM To: nyjeffer-l@rootsweb.com, jeffhistgen@onelist.com, jeffcofamhis@egroups.com cc: Subject: Printers in Watertown, c.1950-1952 Can anyone please tell me the names of the men who ran printing companies in Watertown around 1950-1952, especially prominent ones? Could be newspaper printing or other types of publishing. Interested in, but not limited to, any Italian men who were printers. ANYTHING will help (really)! Thank you! Mark Wentling

I received the following from another list; >Subject: Rip-offs of the genealogy community continues > >Good Morning, friends and cousins in the genealogy community! > >The response to the identification of the genealogy rip-off operation >in Denver last week has been tremendous with a steady stream of requests > >for add'l info. > >The operation in Denver with a newly discovered "branch" in Utah is an >incarnation of the identical scheme that Halbert's used. The same form >letters, books and newsletters are being sold, and the same fake >"Crests" and other products are being created "to exacting standards". > >The new incarnation has not yet been linked financially to Halbert=B4s o= r >NUMA (Halbert parent), but the resemblance is so close, they could be >joined at the hip, operating under dba's Mountain West News Service, >Mountain Pacific News Service, and MORPHCORP. The Better Business Bureau > >reports that the company has joined the BBB in January 2000, opened in >1985, and is rated as satisfactory. A complete history of Halbert's, >courtesy of Jeff Scism (despite our surname homonyms, we ain't kin --- >he hopes!) is available at >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~blksheep/shame/halberts.htm > >Volunteers interested in assisting in informing the genealogy community >of this scam have come out of the woodwork. We would ask the recipients > >of this email the following: >1) A sample of the Colorado flyer is at >http://www.dfc.cc/CyberCousins/genfraud.jpg >Print it and post in the genealogy section at your library with >appropriate message and make announcements at your gensoc. > >2) After you have read it, as a researcher you realize the fraud that it > >is. Go to the Federal Trade Commissions website at >https://www.ftc.gov/ftc/complaint.htm and file a complaint ONLINE. For >a sample complaint and further detailed information to use, please go to > >http://www.dfc.cc/CyberCousins/complaint.txt > >3) Forward this to every list you are on. > >4) If you are a member of NGS (shane@ngsgenealogy.org) or FGS >(fgs-office@fgs.org), contact those organizations and ask that they get >members motivated. Gentech, Inc. (beau@connect.net) has a director and >a well-known regular conference speaker in the Denver metro. I asked >them to do some local research. No response to date. > >5) Contact every genealogy columnist whose work you read, both local and > >online such as Myra Gormley (myravg@prodigy.net} or Dick Eastman >(ROOTS@compuserve.com) who was stalwart in early work on Halbert's, both > >of whom, as well as others, are on this list. No response to date. > >6} If you have rec'd a flyer yourself, please report the names and >addresses to me. We need to know all the DBAs they are using. Then >take it to the local post office and file a complaint. > >7) If you are in the Denver area, we need search of the court house >records to determine any corporate connections. If we can make a >corporate connection, I am fairly sure the restraints placed on >Halbert's can be extended by the proper authorities. > >8) If you are a supplier (software, services, researcher) to the >genealogy community, this type of scam effects you even more. >Contribute to the effort. > >9)This is no small time scam. Halbert's is owned by a company named >NUMA whih in turn is owned by CENDANT. Go to >http://itjobs.cendant.com/cendant_co.html to find other Cendant >companies. You will NOT be happy with how you have been doing business >with folks like this --- I promise you. > >These scams are more likely to rip off folks less involved in genealogy >than most recipients of this msg. Most of us will recognize it for what > >it is and trash it. That does not relieve us of the responsibility of >making it more difficult for these and other parasites within our >community to enjoy their ill-gotten gains. I have found far too many >that "don't want to get involved", "Didn't happen on my watch." (to use >an old Navy excuse), running from controversy and responsibility. Let >us unite in eradicating those that are behind an obvious attempt to >profit unethically from the popularity of genealogy. > >Joe Sissom > >

Can anyone please tell me the names of the men who ran printing companies in Watertown around 1950-1952, especially prominent ones? Could be newspaper printing or other types of publishing. Interested in, but not limited to, any Italian men who were printers. ANYTHING will help (really)! Thank you! Mark Wentling

Hello to all! I am searching for the John T. Mott/Elizabeth Weaver Family of Jefferson County. John and Libby(Elizabeth) were married January 01, 1867 in Wilna. Libby was born July 11, 1840, I'm not sure where. John was born March 03, 1834, I'm not sure where. Together, they had: John Hayes Mott(my great grandfather)b. April 01, 1876, d. April 27, 1960 in Santa Cruz County, California Albert Ada ...possibly more. I would love to know who John's parents were. Libby died July 22,1918 in Adams County, Nebraska. John died October 25, 1911 in Adams County, Nebraska. I have Jermina Anderson and Riley(Raigh) Weaver as Libby's parents. Jermina and Riley had: Emily b. Feb. 21, 1833 Julia b. March 29, 1835 Harriet b. May 15, 1938 Elizabeth William Anderson b. Jan. 1, 1842 Lois A. Belle b. Feb. 22, 1845 Richard b. May 09, 1849 Judson Freemont b. March 02, 1854 If anyone knows of this family, or has any information that could help me, please let me know! Thank you! Cathy Ray Doyle myfamilytree@go.com ___________________________________________________ GO Network Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com

Has anyone ever heard of this organization? Is it still in existence? Who do I contact for information? Florence

My name is Charlie Seeber and I live in Midland, Michigan. In 1825 my great-great-great-grandfather Henry W. Seeber (1796-1877) moved his family from the Mohawk Valley to the Watertown area including my great-great-grandfather William M. Seeber (1817-1902). About 1883 my great-grandfather, Nelson W. Seeber (1839-1915) moved his family from New York to Texas including my grandfather Willis Seeber (1879-1960). Henry W. and William M. are both buried in the old Brownville city cemetery. I visited the cemetery a couple of years ago. We are planning a big Seeber family reunion in the Mohawk Valley this summer. Several of my relatives (most from Texas & Michigan) want to include a trip to Brownville while in New York. I plan on meeting them there for a day. Will visit the Brownville Cemetery. Couple of reasons for this e-mail. There is a 1864 map of Brownville on the Internet - included in the map is the location of Henry W. & William M. homes as well as William M. wifes family, H. Groats. All are on the far right side about mid-way up. I really have a problem trying to print the map .. is there any way I can get a copy of it, will gladly pay any cost. Also could someone also send me a current map of the same area marking where these site are today ... would love to take the folks to the sites while in Brownville this summer ? Also hear at one time there was a Seeber school ??? Do you know if it still stands & if so where ? Last question I have ... I have copies of pictures of Henry W. & his wife Susan Overocker Seeber as well as copies of pictures of William M. and his wife Eliza Groat Seeber. In 1864 they were hanging in the Washington Hall Gallery in Watertown. Could you point me towards someone that might help me locate these pictures ?? Regards, Charlie Seeber 5205 Huntington Midland, MI 48640 517-832-6287 chseeber@tir.com

My name is Charlie Seeber and I live in Midland, Michigan. In 1825 my great-great-great-grandfather Henry W. Seeber (1796-1877) moved his family from the Mohawk Valley to the Watertown area including my great-great-grandfather William M. Seeber (1817-1902). About 1883 my great-grandfather, Nelson W. Seeber (1839-1915) moved his family from New York to Texas including my grandfather Willis Seeber (1879-1960). Henry W. and William M. are both buried in the old Brownville city cemetery. I visited the cemetery a couple of years ago. We are planning a big Seeber family reunion in the Mohawk Valley this summer. Several of my relatives (most from Texas & Michigan) want to include a trip to Brownville while in New York. I plan on meeting them there for a day. Will visit the Brownville Cemetery. Couple of reasons for this e-mail. There is a 1864 map of Brownville on the Internet - included in the map is the location of Henry W. & William M. homes as well as William M. wifes family, H. Groats. All are on the far right side about mid-way up. I really have a problem trying to print the map .. is there any way I can get a copy of it, will gladly pay any cost. Also could someone also send me a current map of the same area marking where these site are today ... would love to take the folks to the sites while in Brownville this summer ? Also hear at one time there was a Seeber school ??? Do you know if it still stands & if so where ? Last question I have ... I have copies of pictures of Henry W. & his wife Susan Overocker Seeber as well as copies of pictures of William M. and his wife Eliza Groat Seeber. In 1864 they were hanging in the Washington Hall Gallery in Watertown. Could you point me towards someone that might help me locate these pictures ?? Regards, Charlie Seeber 5205 Huntington Midland, MI 48640 517-832-6287 chseeber@tir.com