>From The Watertown Daily Times article, "A Road By Any Other Name" which appeared in the Sunday May 7th 2000 edition. In order for any of this to make any kind of sense I ended up typing much more than just the names so I've split it up into two parts. Here's the first part and tomorrow I'll post the second part which is basically just a list of Watertown Citizens who had streets named after them. " Benedict, Jay and Dewey - where have they gone? Or for that matter, Lepper, Todd, Bourne and Trinity. They disappeared six decades ago. These were streets of Watertown. Try to find them today and you'll get lost. It's traditional to name streets after prominent people, both national and local. In Watertown we honor Washington and Franklin, and remember LeRay, Keyes,Paddock, TenEyck and Clinton. But what happened to the poor honored citizens whose streets later were lost or renamed? Take Benedict Street, for instance. AMOS BENEDICT, an 1800 Yale graduate who seven years later found his way to Jefferson County, was destined to become the county's second district attorney. His land, and a street bearing his name, lay to the west of what once was called the Mall, today's Public Square. Unfortunately for the memory of Amos, his street was only a block long, from Arsenal to Stone. At that point it beccame Trinity Place, in honor of the church there. Where Clinton street intersected Trinity, Trinity became Sherman Street. The city planning council decided in 1941 that having a single length of roadway cut up into three different names really didn't make sense. Benedict and Trinity Place were swallowed up by Sherman, which was named for GEORGE C.SHERMAN. Mr Sherman, who was 16 when he took his first look at Watertown in 1815, was a district attorney, judge, state senator and banker, and among his many land holdings in the county was his homestead at Clinton and, you guessed it, Sherman Streets. Lepper St. was axed in favor of the more picturesque North Meadow Street. Councilman John H. Newman at first protested, citing the memory of PETER and MARY LEPPER and their son GEORGE, who had lived on the street many years earlier. The family presence in Watertown died with George's wife, MILLIE, in 1936. There was Massey Avenue named for pioneer settler HART MASSEY. Since Mr Massey already had a street named for him, the council on Nov.30 1942, approved renaming the avenue Taylor Place. Which TAYLOR or why we don't know. The TAYLOR name was prominent in Watertown, with EMMA FLOWER TAYLOR, daughter of Governor ROSWELL P. FLOWER, the family member best remembered today. No matter - petitioners had a better idea. Since EMMA A. SMITH REXFORD, Great-granddaughter of HART MASSEY, was living on Massey Avenue, some citizens argued it only fair that the charitable and popular Mrs Rexford be honored. So on Dec. 16, 1942 city council renamed the street (Massey Ave./Taylor Place) Rexford Place in honor of the widow of Dr CHARLES M. REXFORD. She died 11 months later, at age 86. Gill Street survived the 1942 name massacre thanks to such petitioners as FRANK P COSEO and FRANK HILLER, residents there. Instead of Gill St becoming part of Dewey Ave. Dewey Ave. became part of Gill St. Who were Gill and Dewey? Dewey Ave. was in place long before thomas Dewey was Governor. One is at a loss to identify them, as well as Bourne and Todd, now part of the Boulevard named for the gentleman who gave the city its park, JOHN C. THOMPSON. Jay St., we surmise, saluted JOHN JAY, one of our nations founding fathers, who owned land in Oswego County. In the Street name game he yielded to GOTHAM. It seems logical that JOHN GOTHAM, who settled in Watertown when the 18th and 19th centuries crossed paths, gave his name to the street approaching the City/Town line. JOHN GOTHAM one of the defenders of Sackets Harbor in the War of 1812, drowned in Lake Ontario in 1840. The first streets of Watertown as depicted in an 1811 map, were Washington, State Road, and Woodruff (likely named for tinware maker and downtown hardware merchant NORRIS WOODRUFF), all to the south and east of the "Mall". Going west, there were Madison, Columbia and State Streets, with the latter branching off to Court St. Later the original State St. became Court St., the former Court St, became the east end of Coffeen St, named for pioneer HENRY COFFEEN; and president Madison lost his street in favor of prominent local citizen HART MASSEY. The geographic expansion of Watertown was given a boost north of the Black River with a housing project dedicated on Sept.21 1919. Residents of such streets as Addison, Katherine, Seymour, Stuart, Charles, Francis and St. Mary are living in a section that was called "Lansingdorp" The development, modeled after a Dutch village, was on land that had been farmed by DR. EDWARD S. LANSING, whose family had migrated from Holland. His wife, MARY, daughter of GEORGE C. SHERMAN, is claimed to have been the first white baby born in Jefferson County. Streets in the new settlement were given the names of LANSING family members, and for reasons not explained, each street, except Stuart and Addison, was cannonized with the word "saint". As years passed only mary preserved sainthood. A descendant of EDWARD LANSING, ROBERT LANSING, who at the time was a secretary of state under President Woodrow Wilson, presided at the dedication of Lansingdorp. * Barben Ave., named in 1920, saluted the city's first military man killed in World War 1, WALTER BARBEN. *Bellew Ave. is on property donated to the city by the family of JAMES BELLEW. Until 1934 it was Ash St. * Breen Ave. preserves tha memory of Mayor ISAAC R. BREEN, who served from 1914 - 1919. * Cosgrove St. was created during World War 2 and memorialises DELOS M. COSGROVE SR., an attorney. * Flower Ave. was situated on property owned by ANSON FLOWER, a Wall St. millionaire. * Gale St. took its name from SOLOMON O. GALE. * Holcomb St. is believed to be named for HIRAM HOLCOMB, pre civil war Watertown resident who was president of the Rome and Watertown Railroad * LeRay St. was named for JAMES D. LERAY DE CHAUMONT, original land baron of the North Country. *Mullin St. was named for Judge JOSEPH MULLIN. * Paddock St. is a reminder of a prominent name in the city's history. JOHN PADDOCK was one of the community's first merchants. *Schley Drive honors Judge WILLIAM SCHLEY, who never lived in Watertown but was laid to rest in the same Brookside Cemetery mausoleum as his wife, EMMA KEEP-SCHLEY and her first husband, HENRY KEEP. The street cuts through an area that was part of Henry Keep Estates. * Thompson St. derives its name from WILLIAM C. THOMPSON. *Wealtha Ave. was named for WEALTHA BROWN, wife of the man who laid out the street, BENNET F. BROWN.

In partial answer to the migration question, since 1829 when the Welland Canal opened for passage around Niagara Falls, Jefferson County has been a jumping off place for the Great Lakes States. Settlers came from the Mohawk Valley or New England, stayed a few years, or a few generations, and then moved west. Water provided cheap, quick, convenient transportation, and Jefferson County had lake ports at Henderson Harbor, Sackets Harbor, Cape Vincent, Clayton, and perhaps others. As for the Canadian border, it was a factor only recently. People thought no more of moving from Town of Orleans to Wolfe Island, ON, than they did from the Town of Lyme to Grindstone, Grenadier or Wellesley Islands on the American side, and then back again. They needed no passport, no citizenship papers, no red tape. Uncle Will, born in Canada of American parents, voted in Canadian elections as a matter of course, and when times got bad and he moved "home" he voted in New York State elections without question. Times have changed. As for timing, look at depressions. They happened regularly, and when a family lost nearly everything here, they tended to move there (wherever here or there was) in the hope of better days. After a depression in the 1850s, the Dixons lost their farm in the Town of Orleans and moved to Wolfe Island. After the economy here improved, the next generation trickled back, family by family beginning around 1880 until well into the 1900s, settling in the northern part of Jefferson County, where they still had friends and relatives. When Uncle Isaiah moved to Michigan (with Ohio and Wisconsin, favorite Jeff Co destinations) and sent back a glowing report, all his sisters and his cousins and his aunts picked up and went west, to settle in the same county or township. Read some Michigan County histories for lists of settlers from Jefferson County. Nan Dixon Joyce Rowley wrote: > > In reference to Gina's message, I too have relatives which migrated from > Canada to Jefferson County to Michigan. Unlike Gina's, my relatives stayed > in Jefferson County and then went on to Michigan. From reading the mailing > list, I have noted alot of Jeff County people moved to Michigan about the > same time. Does any one know why? Perhaps we have a migration specialist out > there, who can answer Gina's Canadian migration question and my Michigan > migration question. > > Joyce > Baltimore > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff & Gina" <jeffgina@bunt.com> > Subject: living in Canada > > > Hi, > > My ancestors (Amos Hill & family--of Jeff. Co., possibly Adams) > > moved for a few years to Canada around 1848 or so, then moved > > back to Jefferson Co. after a few years. I thought I remembered > > reading someplace on the Jefferson Co. Website about another > > family who did that, but now I can't find it. > > > > I know a lot of times when people moved back then, they did it in > > groups. Does anyone else out there have family who did that in > > that time frame? I was wondering where in Canada they went, I > > could check for census info there because Amos disappears from > > the census in 1850, then by 1860, they moved to Michigan. Any > > help would be appreciated, > > Thanks, > > > > Gina Scott -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/

I’m no immigration specialist, but have studied members of my family who, like others from Jefferson County, went to both Michigan and Wisconsin. Completion of the Erie Canal in 1825 and then the Welland Canal four years later -- as Nan Dixon has pointed out -- occurred during depressions following the War of 1812, the most serious in the ‘30s when Nan’s family lost its farm. These events further coincided with glowing reports in eastern newspapers of fertile land available in the Michigan Territory which previously had been poorly advertised because it was branded “poor, barren sandy land” following a cursory survey in 1815. The rest of the story is history. As for emigrants who returned to Jefferson County -- well, those are personal stories but we recall that many Englishmen returned to jolly old England in the 1600s after finding life on the American frontier not all that it was cracked up to be. Tony Sylvester

I have found the Bureau of land Management site to be very helpful in tracking my SIMONS ancestors as they moved back and forth from Oswego Co to Michigan and tried to manage farming enterprises in both states. Some copies of letters I have indicate it wasn't working very well. But it appears the land was cheap. "Land Grant certificates suitable for framing". http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ Mark Snyder

Hi folks, The following people in my family lived in Jefferson County & Canada before heading west to Michigan: Levi June,b.c. 1787, NY>Leeds Co., ONT c.1803>Washtenaw Co., MI bef. 1850 John F. June, b.c.1799 Conn>Leeds Co., ONT c.1803>Orleans, Jeff Co., NY c.1850>Washtenaw Co., MI, 1850-1860 Covil C. June, b. 1825 Leeds Co., ONT>Jefferson Co., NYc.1860s>Marquette Co., MI c.1870 Lyman Britton, b.c. 1801>Brownville/Orleans, Jeff. Co., NY>Niagara District, ONT c. 1847>Newaygo Co., MI c.1881 Loren E. Britton m. Marilla H. Warner, b.c. 1825 Orleans, Jeff. Co.>Genessee Co., MI bef. 1872 Edward Arnold, b.c. 1770, RI>Brownville/Orleans, Jeff. Co., NY c.1810-1835>St. Joseph Co., MI c.1835 His children Henry, Caleb, Hiram, Gideon, and Edward also went to Michigan about 1835. Evaline Kilborn, b.c.1813 in Jefferson Co.; m. Samuel Barnard in 1835>Oakland, MI To learn more about these families please visit my website at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~legends/welcome.html Hope these help someone! Sincerely, Mark A. Wentling

Thank you for all of the responses and the directions for research. It is always fun to post a query and get results. Thanks Joyce

Dear Joyce and list: I also had family (LUFF) who moved from Jefferson Co to MIchigan in 1848. >From what I've read of the period, several things were going on: There was a fire in Sackets Harbor in 1843 that probably slowed the economy. Also, I think this was close to the time when the railroad bypassed Sackets Harbor, going between Rome and Watertown. Property prices had reached their peak before the War of 1812, which adversely affected trade with Canada of course. The paths of migration continued west to Ohio and Michigan, and upstate New York never developed as people first had hoped. In the West (MIchigan and Wisconsin) there was tremendous development of natural resources, and expansion of the Great Lakes trade in the mid to late 1800's, with the rise of Chicago as a commodities market. Lumber was being extensively harvested in Michigan, so there were jobs for lumbermen (two collateral lines), shipbuilding (LUFF and sons), and related marine jobs. I think many people went for the shift in economy and jobs. More opportunity seemed to be in the West. I had another family of ancestors (DAMUTH) who all went to Fort Atkinson, WI soon after the Luffs went to Marine City (formerly Newport), MI, north of Detroit on the St. Clair River, leading to Lake Huron. There was extensive mining going on in the WI Mesabi Range and new towns springing up. - Linda Eastman

>In reference to Gina's message, I too have relatives which migrated from >Canada to Jefferson County to Michigan. Unlike Gina's, my relatives stayed >in Jefferson County and then went on to Michigan. From reading the mailing >list, I have noted alot of Jeff County people moved to Michigan about the >same time. Does any one know why? Perhaps we have a migration specialist out >there, who can answer Gina's Canadian migration question and my Michigan >migration question. > >Joyce >Baltimore My Jefferson County roots go on to Montreal, then to Michigan at the turn of the century, but other family roots were part of that great migration to Michigan from the east, notably Ontario. My understanding is that there was "Michigan Fever" going around in the 1870's and 1880's, as people rushed into Michigan for work as loggers. They clearcut the entire state of Michigan, then lost their jobs when there was no more wood to cut. I only know a little about this, though. Anybody have a source for more reading about this "Michigan Fever?" -Michael Jackman --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.

In reference to Gina's message, I too have relatives which migrated from Canada to Jefferson County to Michigan. Unlike Gina's, my relatives stayed in Jefferson County and then went on to Michigan. From reading the mailing list, I have noted alot of Jeff County people moved to Michigan about the same time. Does any one know why? Perhaps we have a migration specialist out there, who can answer Gina's Canadian migration question and my Michigan migration question. Joyce Baltimore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff & Gina" <jeffgina@bunt.com> To: <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 7:24 AM Subject: living in Canada > Hi, > My ancestors (Amos Hill & family--of Jeff. Co., possibly Adams) > moved for a few years to Canada around 1848 or so, then moved > back to Jefferson Co. after a few years. I thought I remembered > reading someplace on the Jefferson Co. Website about another > family who did that, but now I can't find it. > > I know a lot of times when people moved back then, they did it in > groups. Does anyone else out there have family who did that in > that time frame? I was wondering where in Canada they went, I > could check for census info there because Amos disappears from > the census in 1850, then by 1860, they moved to Michigan. Any > help would be appreciated, > Thanks, > > Gina Scott, > Sembach, Germany > > Researching: > Ashbrook, Brouwer, Carter, Clutter, Corbin, Drake, Fenton, > Gildersleeve, Grasset, Higbee, Hill, Hunt, Jackson, Lewin, Lewis, > Oldfield, Post, Seel, Smith, Sweagles, Wheeler, > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/c/o/Gina-M-Scott/ > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi, My ancestors (Amos Hill & family--of Jeff. Co., possibly Adams) moved for a few years to Canada around 1848 or so, then moved back to Jefferson Co. after a few years. I thought I remembered reading someplace on the Jefferson Co. Website about another family who did that, but now I can't find it. I know a lot of times when people moved back then, they did it in groups. Does anyone else out there have family who did that in that time frame? I was wondering where in Canada they went, I could check for census info there because Amos disappears from the census in 1850, then by 1860, they moved to Michigan. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks, Gina Scott, Sembach, Germany Researching: Ashbrook, Brouwer, Carter, Clutter, Corbin, Drake, Fenton, Gildersleeve, Grasset, Higbee, Hill, Hunt, Jackson, Lewin, Lewis, Oldfield, Post, Seel, Smith, Sweagles, Wheeler, http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/c/o/Gina-M-Scott/

My GGGreatgrandfather and his family also migrated from Jefferson co to Hillsdale Co MI in 1850. in the 1850 michigan census most of the people listed were from Ohio and New York and after the Civil War Jefferson co soldiers stayed in Michigan instead of going back to Jefferson co. life must have been better in Mi at that time.... Clarence Sanderson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Rowley" <jrowley1@home.com> To: <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 11:40 AM Subject: Re: living in Canada..on to Michigan > In reference to Gina's message, I too have relatives which migrated from > Canada to Jefferson County to Michigan. Unlike Gina's, my relatives stayed > in Jefferson County and then went on to Michigan. From reading the mailing > list, I have noted alot of Jeff County people moved to Michigan about the > same time. Does any one know why? Perhaps we have a migration specialist out > there, who can answer Gina's Canadian migration question and my Michigan > migration question. > > Joyce > Baltimore > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff & Gina" <jeffgina@bunt.com> > To: <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 7:24 AM > Subject: living in Canada > > > > Hi, > > My ancestors (Amos Hill & family--of Jeff. Co., possibly Adams) > > moved for a few years to Canada around 1848 or so, then moved > > back to Jefferson Co. after a few years. I thought I remembered > > reading someplace on the Jefferson Co. Website about another > > family who did that, but now I can't find it. > > > > I know a lot of times when people moved back then, they did it in > > groups. Does anyone else out there have family who did that in > > that time frame? I was wondering where in Canada they went, I > > could check for census info there because Amos disappears from > > the census in 1850, then by 1860, they moved to Michigan. Any > > help would be appreciated, > > Thanks, > > > > Gina Scott, > > Sembach, Germany > > > > Researching: > > Ashbrook, Brouwer, Carter, Clutter, Corbin, Drake, Fenton, > > Gildersleeve, Grasset, Higbee, Hill, Hunt, Jackson, Lewin, Lewis, > > Oldfield, Post, Seel, Smith, Sweagles, Wheeler, > > > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/c/o/Gina-M-Scott/ > > > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi, In this Sunday's Watertown Daily Times there was an article by Dave Shampine entitled " A Road by Any Other Name..." Watertown's Street Signs And The People They Honor Change With The Times" The article talks about many streets and gives information about people they were named after. E.g. "It seems logical that John Gotham, who settled in the town of Watertown when the 18th and 19th centuries crossed paths' gave his name to the street approaching the city/town line. John Gotham, one of the defenders of Sackets Harbor in the War of 1812, drowned in Lake Ontario in 1840" If you think it would be of use to list members I could transcribe the names mentioned in the article. Jo Rodriguez

I've just started a site for all Bellevill Alumni at http://dreamwater.com/edu/belleville/ I'd like to add a genealogy section there in the near future. Should be a lot of fun for everyone and a great asset to this list. So first of all if you have family ancestors that attended Belleville school or lived in the area please let me know. Secondly if anyone has any photos that they could add to the site please scan them and mail me at this address leona@solaseireann.com I'm very much interested right now in anything that pertains to the fire that consumed the origional school house or any data on the Belltower. Newspaper scans. ANYTHING. Many thanks, Leona Savage MacDonald == Leona MacDonald Owner of Traditional Irish Culture Limited http://www.solaseireann.com Support Irish Language and Culture by joining us at Suite101.com! Just click this link http://www.suite101.com/join.cfm/104892 Irish Genealogy Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/irish_genealogy _____________________________________________________________ Email Powered by Everyone.net

Hi, Can anyone tell me if there are deeds available about 1829 to about 1835? If so, who do I contact or do I need to hire a researcher and about how much would it cost? Looking for Lawrence ALTON who came from Limerick, Ireland in 1829. Is he related to George ALTON, the grocer of the same town and era? Thanks, Janet T

Both Flower Library and the City Historian's office have a fairly complete shelf of city directories. See addresses under Addresses, site index. Be sure to include SASE. Nan Dixon, listmaster Kegool@aol.com wrote: > > Hi: > I am researching a FALLON family from Childwold, St. Lawrence Co., NY. Was > told by a neighbor there that a Bernard FALLON who was in the navy was shot > down in the S. Pacific in the early 1940's. > I just found a listing of deceased navy persons in a National Archives > search page which included-Bernard Frederick FALLON, Aviation Machinist's > Mate 3c USNR with wife, Mrs. Imogene FALLON, 423 Bridge St., Watertown, New > York. This is the only information in this record, no date of death, place > of birth, parents, or other military info. > My relative, Bernard FALLON, would have been born about 1922, probably in > Colton or Childwold, St. Lawrence Co., NY, son of Edson William and Laura May > MILLER FALLON. > Is there any possibilty of checking a Watertown directory in the early > 1940's for a listing of Imogene Fallon at 423 Bridge St. or if the Watertown > paper would have information or an obit re the death of this Bernard Fallon? > Would appreciate any help re this information. Thanks. > Eleanor Goodrich, FL > Rootsweb Sponsor > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/

Hi: I am researching a FALLON family from Childwold, St. Lawrence Co., NY. Was told by a neighbor there that a Bernard FALLON who was in the navy was shot down in the S. Pacific in the early 1940's. I just found a listing of deceased navy persons in a National Archives search page which included-Bernard Frederick FALLON, Aviation Machinist's Mate 3c USNR with wife, Mrs. Imogene FALLON, 423 Bridge St., Watertown, New York. This is the only information in this record, no date of death, place of birth, parents, or other military info. My relative, Bernard FALLON, would have been born about 1922, probably in Colton or Childwold, St. Lawrence Co., NY, son of Edson William and Laura May MILLER FALLON. Is there any possibilty of checking a Watertown directory in the early 1940's for a listing of Imogene Fallon at 423 Bridge St. or if the Watertown paper would have information or an obit re the death of this Bernard Fallon? Would appreciate any help re this information. Thanks. Eleanor Goodrich, FL Rootsweb Sponsor

----- Original Message ----- From: bonnie hill <bonnieh@bigskytel.com> To: <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 9:56 AM Subject: RColonel William Stones's battles > Hi Mark > > There is in existence a complete encyclopedia of all the correspondence > created by every officer of the Union Army in the Civil War. I have read > many volumes in a small library in Grove, OK and found all the battles my > husband's ggrandfather was in from Jefferson County. > > There is an alphabetical index volume and it refers to the more than 30 > other volumes. > > If you would write to the Delaware County Genealogical Society > c/o The Grove Public Library > Grove, Oklahoma 74344 > Attention: Rose Stauber > > Or contact her by email at rstauber7@hotmail.com she would probably be > glad to help you. > > I've never seen these volumes in any other library. You may tell her that > Bonnie in Idaho referred you to her. She's a good friend and a marvelous > researcher. Give her all the particulars you can and your return email > address and snail mail. > > Good luck > Bonnie in Idaho Bonnie, When you say 'every officer' does that mean from any state? And does it mean only officers, not a private? And about how much does she charge for research? I would have contacted her directly, but thought others on this list might have the same questions and thought you'd know the answers. Thanks, Janet

Flowers family is from St. Lawrence County. They are centered in the Massena-St. Regis Reservation area. Leona --- Dan Woodrow <woodhan@mars.ark.com> > wrote: >Hi gang, I am a newbie to this list and have my first question. I am >researching Mary Ann Flowers 1803 to 1861. Mary Anne lived the last >part of her life in Prescott Ontario and owned a dry goods store. I >believe Mary Anne came from across the border probably in Jefferson >County. I have learned via the Internet there may have been two >families of early settlers one named Flower and the other Flowers. That >is as far as I have gotten. > >Is there some Flower(s) expert on line who may be able to give me some >direction? Any assistance would be appreciated. > >-- >Dan Woodrow >Ontario: LEONARD, GILCHRIST, MCKEON/MCKEOWN >Newfoundland: WOODROW >Scotland: GILCHRIST >England: WOODROW(Devon), KEMBLE > > > >============================== >Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. == Leona MacDonald Owner of Traditional Irish Culture Limited http://www.solaseireann.com Support Irish Language and Culture by joining us at Suite101.com! Just click this link http://www.suite101.com/join.cfm/104892 Irish Genealogy Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/irish_genealogy _____________________________________________________________ Email Powered by Everyone.net

Hi gang, I am a newbie to this list and have my first question. I am researching Mary Ann Flowers 1803 to 1861. Mary Anne lived the last part of her life in Prescott Ontario and owned a dry goods store. I believe Mary Anne came from across the border probably in Jefferson County. I have learned via the Internet there may have been two families of early settlers one named Flower and the other Flowers. That is as far as I have gotten. Is there some Flower(s) expert on line who may be able to give me some direction? Any assistance would be appreciated. -- Dan Woodrow Ontario: LEONARD, GILCHRIST, MCKEON/MCKEOWN Newfoundland: WOODROW Scotland: GILCHRIST England: WOODROW(Devon), KEMBLE

Hi Mark There is in existence a complete encyclopedia of all the correspondence created by every officer of the Union Army in the Civil War. I have read many volumes in a small library in Grove, OK and found all the battles my husband's ggrandfather was in from Jefferson County. There is an alphabetical index volume and it refers to the more than 30 other volumes. If you would write to the Delaware County Genealogical Society c/o The Grove Public Library Grove, Oklahoma 74344 Attention: Rose Stauber Or contact her by email at rstauber7@hotmail.com she would probably be glad to help you. I've never seen these volumes in any other library. You may tell her that Bonnie in Idaho referred you to her. She's a good friend and a marvelous researcher. Give her all the particulars you can and your return email address and snail mail. Good luck Bonnie in Idaho At 05:06 AM 06/05/2000 -0700, you wrote: >NYJEFFER-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 94 > >Today's Topics: > #1 WAR OF 1812: Col. William Stone's ["Mark Wentling" <mwentlin@ngs.org>] > #2 RE: NY Freemans ["Bryants" <bryant@iserv.net>] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from NYJEFFER-D, send a message to > > NYJEFFER-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >To contact the list administrator, send mail to >NYJEFFER-admin@rootsweb.com. > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:13:44 -0400 >From: "Mark Wentling" <mwentlin@ngs.org> >To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <852568D6.005ED134.00@NOTESCOM1.NGS.ORG> >Subject: WAR OF 1812: Col. William Stone's 14th Regiment New York Militia >Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline > >Does anyone know what activities Col. William Stone's 14th Regiment New York >Militia were engaged in during the War of 1812 -- specifically, did they >participate in either of the battles at Sackets Harbor? Some people in that >group were recruited from the Brownville/Orleans area. > >Thanks, >Mark Wentling >Washington, D.C. > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:58:00 -0400 >From: "Bryants" <bryant@iserv.net> >To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <000501bfb6ed$be68b220$b81b9dcc@bryant.iserv.net> >Subject: RE: NY Freemans >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Gary, > >Saw an interesting name here. What FREEMAN married into what TOWNSEND line? >I have TOWNSENDS and LEWIS's in Great Bend and Champion area in the same >time periods. > >Don Bryant >Grand Rapids > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gary Barnes [mailto:Summit1@pacbell.net] >> Sent: 05 May, 2000 2:31 AM >> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: NY Freemans >> >> >> I am looking for any information on FREEMAN from the Jefferson nd Lewis >> Co NY area. >> >> >> THis would start with ALFRED FREEMAN and his son Erastus Freeman. They >> owned the Checker House/ Freeman House in Great Bend and Champion NY. >> >> Erastus married ABI STRICKLAND and had 8 Children 1 of which was Mary >> Ellen Freeman the wife of John Francis. They had ABI FRANCIS my g >> grandmother. >> >> Erastus also had John, Charles and George as well as Harriet, Helen, >> Almira and Martha. This occurred circa 1832 to 1850. >> >> Families that married into the Freeman line were - STRICKLAND, LOOMIS, >> ROBERTS, MERRIT, PHELPS and Townsend/Seaman lines. >> >> Any help would be appreciated >> >> Gary >> >> >> ============================== >> Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. >> RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: >> http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >> >