Jerry - I don't know anything about those families specifically, but the names look like Yankee names - New England Puritan descendants names. You may find out material about them in NH or MA databases. Many, many Yankees moved into upstate NY after the Revolutionary War when land formerly held by the Native Americans was made available for purchase at low prices. Many kept moving through as the economy changed - to Michigan, WI and Ohio. Typically families moved together - brothers and their families, fathers and almost grown children and all their families. So some of the many Sweet names may be relatives, or first generation born in NY state of earlier Yankee migrants. Good luck - Linda

Dear "Jeffer" Listers: The following is a series of letters written from the members of the Penney and Dewey families of Jefferson County to their children, Asher Penney and Harriet Dewey Penney who have moved to Waupaca Wisconsin. Many of these letters tell about how things were in Jefferson county in the 1850's and talk about other families which maybe of interest to other searchers. The letters or course, being very old, were originally transcribed some years ago. I came into possession of them via a cousin who inherited them from his mother. I have been verifying the original transcriptions and hopefully correcting or improving upon the text when possible. I am not a professional genealogist nor do I live anywhere near Jefferson County NY so if you have any questions about the letters please consider that before responding. All comments are welcome. Information on the Penney/Penny family (it is one and the same) is ernestly solicited. Letter one is written within Jefferson County by a younger sister to her older sibling upon learning that the older one is considering marriage to one Mr. Asher Penney. (transcription with editors notes, follows:) This is the first of a series of letters that were written between the Deweys and Penneys of Jefferson County to their son and daughter who have moved to the frontier “up in” Wisconsin. The opening letter is written between sisters before the older marries and moves out west. This letter was written by Esther Almira Dewey, a teenager to her older sister Harriet A. Dewey, children of Barzilla Jr. and Harriet (McKee) Dewey. (see the Life and Times of Admiral George Dewey and the History of the Dewey Family in America for more detail) The date or location are a bit uncertain, however the year is clear. Wales [maybe Water] the 9th, 1847 Dear Sister: I received your letter with much pleasure and was glad to hear that Harrys children was well but was sorry to hear that Father had been very sick and I hope that he has got well now but if he has not I should like to from him and will you please to write to me if he is not well and let me know how he is. I am very well now and am enjoying myself very well. Now tell mother that I think I will stay here all summer if she don’t want to help her. Tell Mercy that I am much obliged to her for writing to me. Tell her I don’t like to her from her so often. I suppose you will want those shoes I was going to get for you very soon being that you have had an offer of marriage for I suppose of course that you took up with the offer did you not? If you did I should like to see the knot tied very much and if you did will you please let me know when it is a going to be and I will if possible get the shoes to you but you must give me time to get them and bring them to you. Give my respects to all of my friends and tell the children that I should like to see them very much and I should like to see you - you had better believe it too. From your affectionate sister Ester A. Dewey to Harriet A. Dewey My pen is poor my ink is good and I would write better if I could - P.S. If you write again please don’t write so much for it took me a great while to read it. Please to write soon. [editor note: Harriet Dewey did go on to marry Asher Penney in 184?, (otherwise I might not be here writing this) the first of at least three marriages between Deweys and Penneys]

I am looking for information on the following SWEET families: The following SWEET family lived in NYS: In Jefferson County in 1820 Eleazer Sweet of Adams John Sweet of Rodman Orrin Sweet of Adams William Sweet of Lorraine Asa Sweet of Rodman In Jefferson County in 1825 Benjamin Sweet of Adams Eleazer Sweet of Adams Ira Sweet of Adams Orin Sweet of Adams Philip Sweet of Lorraine William Sweet of Lorraine Asa Sweet of Rodman Any info, however small, may help me Jerry

Grooms and Brides of Jefferson County, New York Available on LDS Microfilm, Vault US/Can Film 1698035 Item 4 Contains approximately 2700 entries of marriages, 1830-1938, taken from scrapbooks of newspaper clippings. Grooms arranged alphabetically from front to back and brides arranged alphabetically from back to front. Jefferson County, New York, marriage and death notices and cemetery inscriptions - copied chiefly by Grace Moffett Lansing Available on LDS Microfilm, FHL US/CAN Film 17719 Item 1 Microfilm of typescript ([35] leaves at the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, New York City. Contains marriages, 1819-1852; death notices, 1819-1850. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pam Thomson To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:20 PM Subject: Marriage records Hi, I asked a week or so ago if a marriage in 1855 would have been recorded officially. I haven't seen a response and have searched the website but found no indication of it. Can anyone tell me where to look for when the state began to record marriages, births, and deaths, please. Pam -- Pam Thomson in BC, Canada A Proud Rootsweb Sponsor Researching Fairweather & Todrick mailto:pamthom@intergate.ca ______________________________

Does anyone know where "New York State DAR Bible Records" are available? Someone referred me to this source - I know what the DAR is but is there a published book of bible records? And where might I get hold of it? Thanks, Kelly H.

Dear Listers: In searching for new material for the website, we find winners and losers. One such list that sounded promising, we have decided not to post, but it does have things for a few of us. It's the census of inmates in almhouses and poorhouses, 1875-1920. The microfilm containing this is available from the New York State Archives through interlibrary loan. First, the bad news: the lists promise a great deal of information, but after the first enthusiasm, the person filling out the form got tired of it and just filled in name (often illegible), date admitted, sex, color, and reason for being there. He got tired of that, too, and put down "insanity" for the vast majority. There are unexplained gaps in continuity. Suddenly a block of 300 names may just be missing in midst of the numerical order. There is no index. The people are listed chronologically, but in no discernable order other than date. There is no division as to sex, age, race, or marital status. Everyone is jumbled in together, with a few notes such as "child of", or "spouse of" when whole families were incarcerated. You have to search the whole list of some thousand names (for Jefferson County alone) to find if you have anyone in whom you are interested. Next, which isn't really bad news: Flower Library has a much more complete list, which is alphabetized. They have had access to earlier records, by the looks. Their list, however, lists only name, age if given, date of admission, and a few other vitals. There are bound copies of SOME of these forms, evidently, should you be allowed to see them at the state archives. Now for the good news: if you know you have someone there, and know approximately the date of incarceration, you MIGHT be able to find some interesting information. Remember that the poor house was a refuge for unwed mothers and their newborns, the homeless (and there were a lot of those, with "homeless" actually given as the reason for their "existing cause of dependence") "crippled" including blind, the elderly, epilepsy, and the ill. Of course, the insane, the idiots, and other now not politically correct terms for the mentally handicapped were used. Some would go there for the cold weather (remember Jefferson County gets very cold in the winter) and would get themselves released in the spring, when farm work was more plentiful. It was the nursing home for the aged, for the day. Those who could kept their loved ones at home, but for some there was no such choice or luxury. For the original records, such items as birthplace, last residence, how long in the US, how long in NYS, at what port landed, if naturalized, when and where naturalized, birthplace of parents, inmate's education, religion, how many children living, names and addresses of relatives and friends are of interest to family historians. The catch is that seldom are all the forms completely filled out. Flower Library has only very abbreviated information, but they should be able to tell you if a name is on the list. If you are interested in seeing the films, ask your library to get them on interlibrary loan. Specify Jefferson County, as all of NYS have films, Boxes 55-57. Each record is an individual sheet filmed, and there are (if my arithmetic is correct) nearly 2000 names. Nan Dixon, listmaster -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/

I would like to ask....if anyone has the Church Address ( Clayton) or other places of where to write for records ( Marriage, Death Etc )of whre there stored in Jefferson County.... GARY TREMBLE' Del Mar CA From: Pam Thomson <pamthom@intergate.ca> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Marriage records Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:20:05 -0700 Hi, I asked a week or so ago if a marriage in 1855 would have been recorded officially. I haven't seen a response and have searched the website but found no indication of it. Can anyone tell me where to look for when the state began to record marriages, births, and deaths, please. Pam ______________________________ From: "Alice Corbett" <corbi@a-znet.com> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Marriage records Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:16:40 -0400 The State of New York started Vital records in 1880 but most towns are later than that. The only way you will get a marriage in 1855 is church or JP records (other than bible records) I believe Alice ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

I am new to the Jefferson mailing list - searching for the families of my gggrandfather, Asher PENNY, born in Henderson. At the urging of his in-law cousins, the DEWEYs who had gone on ahead, Asher and his wife Harriet (Dewey) Penney, (from Adams, NY) moved to Waupaca Cnty WI in about 1855. Ashers brother, Captain Charles Penney, a Great Lakes Mariner, followed him to Wisconsin several years later. Asher and Charles had twin brothers, Eber and Eli and may have had a sister or two (Emily??), who stayed in NY. I am in possession of a number of newsy letters written from the Penney and Dewey families to the brothers and sisters and cousins who moved to Wisconsin, in dates ranging from 1847 to 1865. Education being what it was at that time, they refer to themselves in their own letters alternately as Penney or Penny. Thus I have written proof the names were used interchangeably at the time. Maddeningly, they refer to their parents only as Mother and Father, thus I have yet to learn the parents names. Parents most likely died in Henderson, maybe Worth, sometime between 1865 and 1885. The family came from England to Canada before coming to NY so family stories go. These letters reflect much of the life and times of Jefferson County in the 1850's and mention many names of neighbors and friends. Unless anyone in this list has any objections I would be pleased to share on them on this mailing list as time permits. Anyone having interest in this family or the Dewey family, please contact me. Jim Enos Kona, HI ENOSGEN@AOL.com

Hi, I asked a week or so ago if a marriage in 1855 would have been recorded officially. I haven't seen a response and have searched the website but found no indication of it. Can anyone tell me where to look for when the state began to record marriages, births, and deaths, please. Pam -- Pam Thomson in BC, Canada A Proud Rootsweb Sponsor Researching Fairweather & Todrick mailto:pamthom@intergate.ca

I thought they might be in a census so you would know if Phla NY or PA - Will look when I can. Alice -----Original Message----- From: Rikki Martin <rikki@a-znet.com> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 11:02 AM Subject: PROSSER, LARRABEE-Dates Alice, Thank you for pointing out my oversight. Sometimes I think all I have in my head is air! :0) Charles PROSSER b: 16 Jan 1855 d: 24 Oct 1832 Syracuse NY Ida BARRY b: 13 Apr 1855 d: 2 Jan 1943 Syracuse NY William PROSSER b:20 Mar 1877 Philadelphia NY d: 16 Mar 1944 Syracuse NY Delia LARRABEE b:21 Mar 1877 Philadelphia NY d: 24 Mar 1943 Syracuse NY Thanks, Rikki On 13 Jun 2000, at 16:12, Alice Corbett wrote: > Do you have any dates on these people? > Alice > -----Original Message----- > From: Rikki Martin <rikki@a-znet.com> > To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 9:30 AM > Subject: PROSSER, LARRABEE > > > Hiya list, > I'm new to this list and I am sure hoping someone can help. > > I am looking for any information on my PROSSER or LARRABEE family. > > My g grandfather, William's social security application states that he > was born in Philadelphia NY, my grandfather said that his father > (William) was born in Tupper Lake. William's brother George's ss > application state's that he was born in Philadelphia PA and William's > wife, Delia LARRABEE's death certificate states that she was born in > Philadelphia PA also. > > I suspect that they were all born in Philadelphia NY. Can someone > help? > > William was the son of Charles PROSSER and Ida BARRY. I have a > picture of William and Delia posted to the web at the url listed > below. Maybe someone will recognize either them or maybe there is a > resemblance to someone else? > > If anyone has any information that might help in my search you have to > know, I would be forever grateful! > > Thanks so much, > > Rikki > http://prosserhome.homestead.com > PROSSER, BARRY, MCINTYRE, LARRABEE, BROWN, MARTIN, BLAKE > with some BOULIER/BOLLIER/BEAULIEU, YADDOW AND MYERS > tossed in for good measure. > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > http://prosserhome.homestead.com PROSSER, BARRY, MCINTYRE, LARRABEE, BROWN, MARTIN, BLAKE with some BOULIER/BOLLIER/BEAULIEU, YADDOW AND MYERS tossed in for good measure. ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Do you have any dates on these people? Alice -----Original Message----- From: Rikki Martin <rikki@a-znet.com> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: PROSSER, LARRABEE Hiya list, I'm new to this list and I am sure hoping someone can help. I am looking for any information on my PROSSER or LARRABEE family. My g grandfather, William's social security application states that he was born in Philadelphia NY, my grandfather said that his father (William) was born in Tupper Lake. William's brother George's ss application state's that he was born in Philadelphia PA and William's wife, Delia LARRABEE's death certificate states that she was born in Philadelphia PA also. I suspect that they were all born in Philadelphia NY. Can someone help? William was the son of Charles PROSSER and Ida BARRY. I have a picture of William and Delia posted to the web at the url listed below. Maybe someone will recognize either them or maybe there is a resemblance to someone else? If anyone has any information that might help in my search you have to know, I would be forever grateful! Thanks so much, Rikki http://prosserhome.homestead.com PROSSER, BARRY, MCINTYRE, LARRABEE, BROWN, MARTIN, BLAKE with some BOULIER/BOLLIER/BEAULIEU, YADDOW AND MYERS tossed in for good measure. ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Can anyone advise me how I might obtain birth records for the children of Gladys E. Sevey and Harold Berkman, Sr. whom I believe were born between 1917 and the early 1920's? They are John Berkman, possibly born 09 Oct 1920, Harold, ? born 24 June 1922, Howard Berkman, Jr. and Anna Mae Berkman, who married a Frank Clark. Gladys and Harold, Sr. lived in the Watertown, (Sandy Creek?) area until 1936 when they moved to Rochester, New York. Gladys died in Rochester 18 Oct. 1944 and Harold Berkman, Sr. in Utica, NY 17 July 1958. Appreciate any help anyone can provide. Thanks. Eleanor Sevey Goodrich

I sent your message to the Gen Dept - If I don't forget I will try to look for your item tomorrow. Alice -----Original Message----- From: Ron & Sharon Buckley <texbuck@pdq.net> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, June 26, 2000 11:58 AM Subject: Lookup Request >I have received information about a newspaper story regarding my family. Is there anyone out there who would be able to look thru the newspaper archives (or microfilm) and make a xerox copy of this story for me? >The particulars, as I know them, follow: > >Published in the Watertown Daily Standard (predecessor of the Watertown Daily Times) >Jan 15, 1907 >Article title may be "Six Soldiers in One Family" > >This article was written following the death of Hiram B. CHURCHILL, and is about his father's (Archibald CHURCHILL) six sons. > >I would, of course, be delighted to reimburse you for any costs incurred in securing a copy of this article for me. > >Thank you so much > >Sharon Buckley texbuck@pdq.net >106 West Wildwinn >Alvin, TX 77511 > > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

I'm not really researching this line..although i have the motherload of info on the Littlefield family. I don't know if this is connected but I have for Littlefield: Hungerford, Laura (1846 - 1925) b. 8 SEP 1846 in ELLISBURG,Jefferson,New York d. 8 JUN 1925 in Belleville,Jefferson,New York spouse: Littlefield, Calvin (*1809 - ) There were a lot of hungerfords in Ellisburg. Calvin was a Principal of the UAB school and a trustee of the village in 1860. I've also got another listing as Laura Hungerford Littlefileld Father Philo Hungerford Mother Caroline m. Davis. date of death June 8, 1925 birth sept 8, 1846 Philo is at mixer cemetery 1803-1881 (I also have fullers connected in the family somewhere) You can have fun looking around at http://www.solaseireann.com/genitor/main/wgasurs.html if you are connected to the Littlefield family or any family in belleville/Ellisburg area you are certain to have a lot of fun. Leona --- olear15@attglobal.net > wrote: >Laura FULLER, dau. of Noah of Lanesboro, Berkshire Co, MA m. Henry >MURPHY. Their ch: Nathaniel, Joanna, William, Harriet, Sarah and Frank. > >From Jefferson Co. webpage, I find the family in Brownville in 1847 (for >birth of Harriet); in Hounsfield in 1862 (for enlistment of Nathaniel >into the Co H of 10th NY Heavy Artillary; listed in Child's Business >Directory in Hounsfield with Laura a widow and the family farm sold to >William). Nathaniel moved to Michigan where he was chief of police in >Bay City and is buried there. > >I'd be interested in contacted others researching these families. Would >like to learn more about family of Henry and of the remaining children >of this family. > >Laura is sister to Eliza Fuller who m. Jeremiah HUNGERFORD, who lived in >Jeffereson, St. Lawrence and Lewis, dying in Harrisville, Lewis Co. >Eliza and Jeremiah are my direct line. > >Marilyn in MI > > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ == Leona MacDonald Owner of Traditional Irish Culture Limited http://www.solaseireann.com Support Irish Language and Culture by joining us at Suite101.com! Just click this link http://www.suite101.com/join.cfm/104892 Irish Genealogy Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/irish_genealogy _____________________________________________________________ Get email for your site ---> at http://www.solaseireann.com Working to bring you the best of the Irish Net.

Laura FULLER, dau. of Noah of Lanesboro, Berkshire Co, MA m. Henry MURPHY. Their ch: Nathaniel, Joanna, William, Harriet, Sarah and Frank. >From Jefferson Co. webpage, I find the family in Brownville in 1847 (for birth of Harriet); in Hounsfield in 1862 (for enlistment of Nathaniel into the Co H of 10th NY Heavy Artillary; listed in Child's Business Directory in Hounsfield with Laura a widow and the family farm sold to William). Nathaniel moved to Michigan where he was chief of police in Bay City and is buried there. I'd be interested in contacted others researching these families. Would like to learn more about family of Henry and of the remaining children of this family. Laura is sister to Eliza Fuller who m. Jeremiah HUNGERFORD, who lived in Jeffereson, St. Lawrence and Lewis, dying in Harrisville, Lewis Co. Eliza and Jeremiah are my direct line. Marilyn in MI

I am looking for any type of record for the birth (or that shows the existence) of Arthur Roy McBride in Watertown, Jefferson County, in January 1883. He was the son of James C. and Mary McBride. I have ordered his birth certificate from NY, but I understand that could take months. Anyone who might have seen this I'd appreciate any help. I've been trying to trace this guy for the past 10 years. He is my grandfather. Jeanne Rosser

Hi folks, Does anyone know how to get death record information from the Town Clerk's office in Henderson without paying the $11 per record fee? I've gotten information over the phone from clerks in other towns for free before, but I guess things are different from town to town. I thought the $11 fee only applied to certified copies, but I don't need certified copies -- just the information that's on them. Would appreciate a look-up if anyone is heading that way this week. I live in D.C. and would be willing to look up census info at the National Archives in exchange. Thanks, Mark

I have an old copy of one of the 4 River Valley historical Society's Journals, does anyone have a current address that I can write to inquire about becoming a member, or an email address? Thanks again, I found a ton of info from this journal Donna R Williams e-mail: RONNA-1998@prodigy.net

I believe they have both at the Gen Dept Flower Mem Lib Watertown - Write to them with your request . The first one is indexed the second I believe is not Alice -----Original Message----- From: bonnie hill <bonnieh@bigskytel.com> To: NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com <NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 24, 2000 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Grooms and Brides of NY >Hi List > >Does anyone have in their possession the Book of the Grooms and Brides of >New York that is on the LDS roll #1698035? > >Or the book of Jefferson county Marriage and death notices on LDS film # >17719? > > >It would save me the cost of ordering out the films if someone would do a >lookup for me. I'm looking for the marriage of Ann Hill and Milo King, >probably around 1860, and Laura Hill and Sylvanus Hatch, in 1848(?). I >would like to see if any other names were listed on the records.. > >Thanks so much if you can help me. > >Regards >Bonnie in Idaho > > >============================== >Get a MASTERCARD with NO Credit Check or Up Front >Cash Security Deposit and GUARANTEED* Approval! >NO Interest Rate! http://www.dollarsonthenet.com/cgi-bin/track/1631/19 >

Once again I am trying to locate information on a Freedom FULLER. On the 1820, Census of Jefferson County New York, he is listed on Page 487 of Rodman; along with Benjamin FULLER and Josiah FULLER all on page 487 of Rodman. Is anyone researching Benjamin FULLER and Josiah FULLER who lived there? Any information would be of GREAT help! Thank-You!