I remember reading a book about John and Clarissa but can't remember the name of it. It was very interesting, and according to it they were never married. Anyone know the name of it? Mary

Gail, here are a few you might find useful. Often, the bibliographies in various texts can be helpful, also. Many of the books are available from the publishers. Some may be available via the Public Libary Interlibrary Loan Service anywhere in the United States. If the book is not obtainable, often an extract, title page, and index are available. The index may prompt further requests for extracts to be copied from the book. I haven't had much time to remove errrors, but I dont make menny, anywya. pg 1. -- Blodget-Blodgett Descendants of Thomas of Cambridge, (Five Vol.’s), Concord, NH, 1955 Biographical Record of Ulster County, NY, J. H. Beers, Chicago, IL, 1896 Cemetery Inscriptions, Jefferson County, NY: Sixteen Cemeteries in the Town of Brownville, 1992 Town of Clayton, 1992 Town of Lyme, 1994 Town of Orleans, 1993 Town of Pamelia, 1003 Town of Theresa, 1994 Each is a serparate book. There are others. By John and Ellen Bartlett and A. E. Rogers. 3866 Warners Road, Syracuse, NY, 13209 Compendium of Early Mohawk Valley Families, by Maryly B. Penrose, GPC 1990 Countryman Family History, Ardell & Grace Countryman, 1987 The Young (Jung) Families of the Mohawk Valley, 1710-1946, by Clifford M. Young, .. Albany, NY p.2 Marriage Record of Caughnwaga Reformed Church, Fonda, NY, Kinship, 60 Cedar Heights Road, Rhinebeck, NY 12572. 1983. Dunkel Ancestors and Descendants of Johann Peter Dunkel (1622-1984), by Arthur J. Dunckel. [Pamphlet style listing.] Index to DAR Bible Records of Jefferson County, NY, The Family Tree, Boise, ID, May, 1993. The Changing Years, A History of Depauville, Jefferson County, NY, published 1976 The Dällenbachs in America, edit. By Lillian Dillenback Tallman, Mohawk Valley Printing Co, Herkimer, NY, 1979 Descendants of John Owen of Windsor, CT (1622-1699) –Edited by Ralph Dornfeld Owen, Philadelphia, 1941 Eighteenth Century Zimmerman Family of the Mohawk Valley, David Kendall Martin Mouse House Books, Church Hill, Md., 1994 The Dockstader Family, Descendants of Georg Dachstetter, Palatine Emigrant of 1709 who settled in the Mohawk Valley of New York, (four volumes), privately published, 1983-1994. The Descendants of Christophel Fuchs of the Palatine, compiled by Donald P. Fox, 1991, 9 Maple Street, Pittsford, NY, 14534 Blodget/Blodgett Descendants, Thomas of Cambridge, Vol. 1-6, B.D. and F. C. Thompson, Concord, NH, 1955 Lists of Swiss Emigrants in the Eighteenth Century to the American Colonies, compiled and edited by Bernhardt Faust and Gaius Marcus Brumbaugh, GPC 1976 Genealogical Journal of Jefferson County, New York, published by the Family Tree, P.O.Box 4311, Boise, ID 83711. pg. 3 Hudson and Mohawk Valley Genealogy and Family Memoirs, Lewis Historical Publishing Co, 1911. The House Family of the Mohawk, by Melvin Rhodes Shaver, State Historical Society, Madison, WI. Lycker Genealogy, comp. by Mrs, Harma Lyker Becker, Aug. 1961. History of Montgomery County, Edited by Washington Frothington, D. Mason & Co., Syracuse, N.Y, 1892 History of the Mohawk Valley, Gateway to the West 1614-1925, Nelson Green, S. J. Clarke Publishing Co., 1925. The North Country, by Harry F. Landon, three volumes, Historical Publishing Co., Indianapolis, IN, 1932. Town of Herkimer, Village of Herkimer, Reformed Church. A list of those buried in the Churchyard, some later moved to Oak Hill Cemetery. History of Ulster County, NY, by Nathaniel Bartlett Sylvester, Everts & Peck, Philadelphia, PA, 1880. More Palatine Families, by Hank Z. Jones, Jr., 1991, P.O.Box 261388, San Diego, CA 92196. Gazetteer of Jefferson County, NY (1684-1890), Edited by William H. Horton, compiled and published by Hamilton Childs, Syracuse, NY, July 1890 County of Jefferson Genealogy and Family History, R. A. Oakes, Lewis Publishing Co., 1905. International Genealogical Index, [IGI] (Available at Family History Centers) History of Montgomery and Fulton Counties, N.Y., with Illustrations, by F. W. Beers & Co., 36 Vesey Street, 1879 Jefferson County NY Genealogical Informer, Jefferson County Genealogical Society, Watertown, NY. Gazetteer of Jefferson County, N.,Y., by Hamilton Child, Syracuse Journal Company, Syracuse, NY, July 1890 pg. 4 History of Schoharie County and Border Wars of New York, by Jeptha R. Simms, Heritage Books, Inc, Bowie, MD, reprinted 1991. Thomas Joy and his Descendants, compiled by James Richard Joy, NY, 1900. The Joy Genealogy, by Helen Bourne Joy Lee, Pequot Press, Essex, CN, 1968. A Brief History of the Joy Family, by Cornelia C. Joy Dyer, Pvt. printing, New York, 1876. Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration, by Dr. Walter Allen Knittle, GPC 1937 Genealogy of the Mohawk Valley Bellingers and Allied Families, by Lyle Frederick Bellinger, compiled by Hazel Patrick, 1976 Landmarks of Oswego County, New York, edited by John C. Churchill, Syracuse, NY, D. Mason & Co., 1895. Vital Records of the Lawyersville Reformed Church, Lawyersville, Schoharie County, NY, Kinship, 60 Cedar Heights Road, Rhinebeck, NY 12572 The Historic Mohawk, by Mary Riggs Diefendorf, G. P. Putnam’s Sons, 1910 The Mohawk Valley Herkimers and Allied Families, by Patrick, Spellman, and Watkins, Herkimer County Historical Society, 1989 Nellis/Nelles Family Genealogy, published 1998, Genealogy Publishing Service, Franklin, NC Norway Tidings, 1887-1890, Recopied by the Kuyahoora Valley Historical Society. New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, 122 East 58th Street, New York, NY 10022-1939 page 5: The Devendorf Family, compiled by Colonel Ola Walter Bell, U. S. A., reprinted from Enterprise and News, Saint Johnsville, New York, 1932. The book is available from Heritage Book. Old Gravestones of Ulster County New York, J. Wilson Poucher, M.D. and Byron J. Terwilliger, Ulster County Historical Society, 1931 Pickard and Allied Families. Marilyn Ford Anderson and Anna Carpenter Waite, 1980 Palatine Roots, by Nancy Wagoner Dixon 1994, Picton Press, Camden, ME Prindle Family Papers, compiled by John Ebenezer Prindle, in possession of Graham Prindle, Poland, NY The Mohwk Valley Rasbachs and Allied Families, by Hazel Patrick, Herkimer County Historical Society, Herkimer, NY 13350, 1986. Reformed Church, Herkimer, NY. Baptism Record of the Reformed Church 1801-1899, Kinship, 60 Cedar Heights Road, Rhinebeck, NY 12572. 1983. History of Remsen, by Millard F. Roberts, 1914 (Oneida County, NY) Stowits and Gibson Families of the Mohawk Valley, by Roderick J. Cant, Enterprise and News, Saint Johnsville, NY, 1931. Russia Union Church, by Patricia Howland Hart, published 1976. (Town of Russia, Herkimer County, NY) Roydon W. Vosburgh, -- This man did enormously valuable work of Mohawk Valley Palatines, at this moment I haven't a title, but can find it if needed. Baptismal Record of Trinity Lutheran Church, Stone Arabia, NY, pre 1751-1899. Kinship, 60 Cedar Heights Road, Rhinebeck, NY 12572. 1983. Stone Arabia Lutheran Church records, edited by Helen A. Nellis. 1998. (Montgomery County, NY> Marriage Record of Two Early Stone Arabia, New York Churches, Reformed Church, 1739-1895, Trinity Lutheran Church 1763-1899, Kinship, 60 Cedar Heights Road, Rhinebeck, NY 12572. 1983. Last page follows -- page 6. Descendants of Lieut. Henry Timmerman of Herkimer County, New York, compiled by Carolyn Timmerman Sidenius, Snell-Zimmerman Reunion, Inc, Little Falls, New York,1988. Ulster County in the Revolution, edited by Ruth P. Heidgerd, 1977, Huguenot Historical Society, New Paltz, NY, 1977 Vincent Family Genealogy, Bessie L. Vincent, a paper published in 1912, New York. Whispers From the Past, by Harold I. Sanderson, Minuteman Press, Watertown, NY 13601 [Jefferson County Civil War veterans list by units.] Descendants of Johann Peter Kniskern of Schoharie County, NY, compiled by Walter Hamlin Kniskern, Plummer Printing Co., Petersburg, VA 1960. Warren Thomas Putman, Peoria, IL. , author of “Johannes Putman of Holland”. Early Families of Herkimer County, NY, by William Van Horne Barker, Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, 1986. The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, an excellent source. ....>>>> eof ...<<<<< Polish your glasses ! randy -----Original Message----- From: Gail Schulte <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [NYHERKIM-L] Barker's CDs >Are there sources other than the much discussed Mr. Barker for Mohawk Valley >genealogy? > >Gail Sterling Heights, Michigan > >[email protected] > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== >Visit the New York State GenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ >Herkimer/Montgomery Counties: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/

The Herkimer County Historical Society has also published the following book Mohawk Valley Caslers and Allied Families. Judi Boniface wrote: > The Herkimer County Historical Society has published the following books: > The Mohawk Valley Harters and Allied Families > The Mohawk Valley Herkimers and Allied Families > The Mohawk Valley Kasts and Allied Families > The Mohawk Valley Petries and Allied Families > The Mohawk Valley Bellingers and Allied Families > The Mohawk Valley Rasbachs and Alllied Families > > They also have had a hand in publishing books on the Nellis, > Staring(Stauring), and Edick families. > > Two old sets of church records have been published also. Arthur Kelly of > KINSHIP has published baptism and marriage records of the Herkimer Reformed > and German Flatts Reformed churches. > > Two good sites for books are HopeFarm Press and Kinship. > http://hopefarm.com > http://www.kinshipny.com > > Judi Boniface > Herkimer, NY > [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Schulte <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NYHERKIM-L] Barker's CDs > > >Are there sources other than the much discussed Mr. Barker for Mohawk > Valley > >genealogy? > > > >Gail > >Sterling Heights, Michigan > > > >[email protected] > > > > > > > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== > >Visit the New York State GenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ > >Herkimer/Montgomery Counties: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ > > > > ==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites: http://www.cyndislist.com/

Hi Gail, Barker has pulled a lot of material together from many sources. Information is from Pearson's books, church baptism and marriage records, family histories and any place else he could find data. One problem is that there are a number of errors. The preferred source for Palatine or Mohawk information is Henry Z Jones's books. "Palatine Families of NY" and "More Palatine Families". These books are available in many libraries. Another source for information is KINSHIP. Art Kelly has published many baptism and marriage books for the eastern New York area. His web address is www.kinshipny.com The next source is published genealogies. At least 250 families have published one or more family histories. A number of them are available from the Herkimer Historical Society. 400 Main St. Herkimer, NY 13350.

Somehow I missed the original post for Johannes KLOCK and Anna Margaretha FOX./FUCHS. I have these two in my ancestry as well as 3 of their 4 parents. Will the original lister please repost the message or contact me privately? Ed Harrison [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: Edward J. Harrison <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [NYHERKIM-L] Johannes Klock and Anna Margaretha Fox - INFO >Somehow I missed the original post for Johannes KLOCK and Anna Margaretha >FOX./FUCHS. I have these two in my ancestry as well as 3 of their 4 >parents. Will the original lister please repost the message or contact me >privately? > >Ed Harrison >[email protected] > HI. I missed the post too. If you get, could you kindly forward to me. Thank you. My server isn't always the best. Darcia > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== >Visit the Herkimer/Montgomery Counties GenWeb page at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ >

Some of these books can be ordered directly from the Herkimer County Historial Society, who really need the sales. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/hchs/hchs.html Click into the books section. This is mail order as they are not on line. Martha Herkimer/Montgomery Counties NYGenWeb On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Judi Boniface wrote: > The Herkimer County Historical Society has published the following books: > The Mohawk Valley Harters and Allied Families > The Mohawk Valley Herkimers and Allied Families > The Mohawk Valley Kasts and Allied Families > The Mohawk Valley Petries and Allied Families > The Mohawk Valley Bellingers and Allied Families > The Mohawk Valley Rasbachs and Alllied Families > > They also have had a hand in publishing books on the Nellis, > Staring(Stauring), and Edick families. > > Two old sets of church records have been published also. Arthur Kelly of > KINSHIP has published baptism and marriage records of the Herkimer Reformed > and German Flatts Reformed churches. > > Two good sites for books are HopeFarm Press and Kinship. > http://hopefarm.com > http://www.kinshipny.com > > Judi Boniface > Herkimer, NY > [email protected] > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Schulte <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NYHERKIM-L] Barker's CDs > > > >Are there sources other than the much discussed Mr. Barker for Mohawk > Valley > >genealogy? > > > >Gail > >Sterling Heights, Michigan > > > >[email protected] > > > > > > > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== > >Visit the New York State GenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ > >Herkimer/Montgomery Counties: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ > > > > > ==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites: http://www.cyndislist.com/ >

Post the specific names and maybe someone can help you. Herkimer County Historical Society N Main St Herkimer, NY 13350 Judi Boniface Herkimer, NY [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Jost Shouse <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 8:27 PM Subject: [NYHERKIM-L] Herkimer/Minaville/Charleston4Corners >I am new to research in Herkimer and Montgomery Counties and would like to >know if there are Historical Societies for Herkimer and Montgomery Counties >that I might write to for information on my DAVIS and FOLTS (Z) families. >The towns of Minaville, Charleston Four Corners and Herkimer are mentioned >on my ggrandmother's death certificate. I have found my gggrandparents in >the 1850 & 1860 Census records but are now looking for the names of their >parents. Are there books that someone might recommend that would have >records of baptisms/births/deaths or other means of research that you might >recommend. > >Thank you for any help you might be able to give me! > >Kathy Jost Shouse > > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== >Visit the Herkimer/Montgomery Counties GenWeb page at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ >

The Herkimer County Historical Society has published the following books: The Mohawk Valley Harters and Allied Families The Mohawk Valley Herkimers and Allied Families The Mohawk Valley Kasts and Allied Families The Mohawk Valley Petries and Allied Families The Mohawk Valley Bellingers and Allied Families The Mohawk Valley Rasbachs and Alllied Families They also have had a hand in publishing books on the Nellis, Staring(Stauring), and Edick families. Two old sets of church records have been published also. Arthur Kelly of KINSHIP has published baptism and marriage records of the Herkimer Reformed and German Flatts Reformed churches. Two good sites for books are HopeFarm Press and Kinship. http://hopefarm.com http://www.kinshipny.com Judi Boniface Herkimer, NY [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Gail Schulte <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [NYHERKIM-L] Barker's CDs >Are there sources other than the much discussed Mr. Barker for Mohawk Valley >genealogy? > >Gail >Sterling Heights, Michigan > >[email protected] > > > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== >Visit the New York State GenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ >Herkimer/Montgomery Counties: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ >

Have you tried an out of print bookseller? I think even Amazon may track it down for you (www.amazon.com) through their out of print bookseller network. Judi Boniface Herkimer, NY [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYHERKIM-L] Barker's CDs >There is "Baumann/Bowman Family of the Mohawk, Susquehanna; & Niagara Rivers >by Maryly Barton Penrose, last published in 1977 by Liberty Bell Associates. >Unfortunately it is long out of print. If you need to know what families are >mentioned in this book, I have a photocopy of the complete index. I have >been able to get a few pages photocopied through ILL. As you can probably >tell from my surname, this book is about my line. I sure wish that I could >buy this book, either new or used. >I believe Maryly wrote several books about this area of New York. >Regards, >Charles Bowman, Jr. >El Paso, TX > > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== >Visit the Herkimer/Montgomery Counties GenWeb page at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ >

So far, so good, Sandy. What do you know about Mary (Polly) (Johnson) Johnson's deathj when she died of childbirth at Fort Ontario after they fled the Mohawk Valley? I'd give a lot to learn these details. Thank you for your input. randy -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Allen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 5:38 PM Subject: [NYHERKIM-L] Sir John JOHNSON & Clarissa PUTMAN > >To Johnson Researchers, > >Just a recommendation, verify the information on Sir John Johnson and >Clarissa >Putman before using it. > >To my knowledge they were never married. However they had 2 children: >Margaret (m. James E. Van Horne) and William, b. 1770 at Fort Johnson, >Montgomery County, NY. ( m. Margaret Clark). > >Sir John m. Mary (Polly) Watts in 1773 in NYC. They returned to Fort >Johnson. >Clarrisa and her children had moved out. > >Sandy Allen > > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== >QUESTIONS? Contact listowner Kim Branagan at [email protected], >a proud Donor of RootsWeb.com. >

thanks, Lisa. Patty -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Boyle <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [NYHERKIM-L] Little Falls Knitting Factories--early 20thcentury >Patty, > My great grandfather was a knitter in the Mark Mills, which was >either in Herkimer or Little Falls. This information was from his >obituary and I don't know what the address was or any other information. >This might be a place to start though. > >Good luck, Lisa > > ************************************ > The only disability in life is a bad attitude. > Scott Hamilton > > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== >Visit the Herkimer/Montgomery Counties GenWeb page at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ >

Patty, My great grandfather was a knitter in the Mark Mills, which was either in Herkimer or Little Falls. This information was from his obituary and I don't know what the address was or any other information. This might be a place to start though. Good luck, Lisa ************************************ The only disability in life is a bad attitude.   Scott Hamilton

Are there sources other than the much discussed Mr. Barker for Mohawk Valley genealogy? Gail Sterling Heights, Michigan [email protected]

No, that would be the Ilion gorge. good luck. Barbara and grandson Lawrence, Our little tornado

To Johnson Researchers, Just a recommendation, verify the information on Sir John Johnson and Clarissa Putman before using it. To my knowledge they were never married. However they had 2 children: Margaret (m. James E. Van Horne) and William, b. 1770 at Fort Johnson, Montgomery County, NY. ( m. Margaret Clark). Sir John m. Mary (Polly) Watts in 1773 in NYC. They returned to Fort Johnson. Clarrisa and her children had moved out. Sandy Allen

I am new to research in Herkimer and Montgomery Counties and would like to know if there are Historical Societies for Herkimer and Montgomery Counties that I might write to for information on my DAVIS and FOLTS (Z) families. The towns of Minaville, Charleston Four Corners and Herkimer are mentioned on my ggrandmother's death certificate. I have found my gggrandparents in the 1850 & 1860 Census records but are now looking for the names of their parents. Are there books that someone might recommend that would have records of baptisms/births/deaths or other means of research that you might recommend. Thank you for any help you might be able to give me! Kathy Jost Shouse

FOX -- There is an authorative FOX genealogy published last year. "THE MOHAWK VALLEY FOXES" by Donald P. Fox. 9 Maple Street, Pittsford, NY 14534 also at [email protected] His book shows, on page 1, Johann Philip Fox and his lovely spouse, Anna Catharine (Neitzert) Fox. Due to the custom of attaching "Anna" and "Johann" as given names, this family had five daughters as "Anna.." (...Elizabeth, ...Margaret, ...Margaret, ...Elizabeth, and ...Catharine.) One must be dainty in searching for, e.g. "Anna" without knowing the middle name. randy -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Classick <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 3:52 PM Subject: [NYHERKIM-L] Johannes Klock and Anna Margaretha Fox >I am also looking for the parents of these, I have John Philip >Fox and Catharian Neitzert as the parents of Anna, but I don't >know if this is correct. Or could it be Johannes Peter Fox and >Anna Maria Salbach? >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== >Visit the New York State GenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ >Herkimer/Montgomery Counties: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ >

I am also looking for the parents of these, I have John Philip Fox and Catharian Neitzert as the parents of Anna, but I don't know if this is correct. Or could it be Johannes Peter Fox and Anna Maria Salbach?

There is "Baumann/Bowman Family of the Mohawk, Susquehanna; & Niagara Rivers by Maryly Barton Penrose, last published in 1977 by Liberty Bell Associates. Unfortunately it is long out of print. If you need to know what families are mentioned in this book, I have a photocopy of the complete index. I have been able to get a few pages photocopied through ILL. As you can probably tell from my surname, this book is about my line. I sure wish that I could buy this book, either new or used. I believe Maryly wrote several books about this area of New York. Regards, Charles Bowman, Jr. El Paso, TX