At 07:35 AM 6/14/99 -0500, you wrote: Hi Helen! -- Sorry those Pavaloch's weren't yours, but hope they will indeed help the other researcher. >I just realized that I have a copy of Palatines Along The Mohawk: Their >Church In The Wilderness, by Ada L.F. Snell. Copyright 1948, reprinted >in 1960. I have three "Palatine" family lines -- all pretty hard to find though. First I have Adam F(reidrich-?) GUNDERMAN ("Countryman"), born abt 1765 and wife MARY. I'm thinking *maybe* Mary might be found in one of your books as there is a kind of "famous" story about her in that she was captured by the Mohawk Indians in the raids around the time of the French-and-Indian War, but she had once befriended the noted Mohawk chief, Joseph Brandt in some way (either gave him cookies or let him sleep in her barn, accounts differ) so he saw her and let her go. Anyway, Adam F. and MARY COUNTRYMAN have a daughter Rebecca who marries ADAM NESTLE and they have a son SOLOMON NESTLE who married LUCINDA PHIILIPS. So those are my three Palatine surnames: COUNTRYMAN, NESTLE, and PHILLIPS. If you can find any of these people, I would very mcuh appreciate it! :-) Marsha Strong Gainesville, FL

Hello All, The correct URL for KINSHIP is www.kinshipny.com Richard Hayes [email protected]

I just realized that I have a copy of Palatines Along The Mohawk: Their Church In The Wilderness, by Ada L.F. Snell. Copyright 1948, reprinted in 1960. Another book that is available for purchase at the Little Falls Historical Society, is Distant Drums: Herkimer County, New York in the War of the Rebellion, by David P. Krutz, copyright 1997. Published by North Country Books, Utica, NY. I have a copy of this book and the first, and would be willing to check them for specific names if requested. Helen Burwell [email protected]

I have a copy of "Genealogy of the Mohawk Valley Bellingers and Alloied Families" by Lyle Frederick Bellinger. Your family appears to be included, but you should check it out for yourself. This is what it says on p 28 under Individual # 61 "Catharina Bellinger, born 22 May, 1726, died 21 January, 1812 age 85 years, 8 months. (Fort Plain church record) Married 3 Marcus Countryman born 21 October, 1720, died 13 January 1793. Fort Plain church. He was second son of Conrad. (See Countryman genealogy.)" It then states that there were 13 Countryman children, but seems to only list four. There is additional information as well. This book can be obtained through the Herkimer County Historical Society for a modest price. (abt. $30.00). Let me know if you'd like additional information. I also have Bellingers, and I believe a possible Countryman connection. Carol in Calif [email protected] C M Strong wrote: > I have noticed a couple of references to the name > BELLINGER. Apparetnly this is a name of some historic > significance in the Mohawk Valley at the time of the > Revloution -- does anyone know more?? > > My one BELLINGER is Catherine, who married Marcus Countryman > about 1750. Anyone have her in their line? > > Thanks! > Marsha > > ==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the message UNSUBSCRIBE to: > [email protected] or .... > [email protected] for DIGEST

Researching BROWN, CADY, THORNTON, GAY, SNYDER, HAWKINS, LADD, ANGELL, SPENCER, HUNT. [email protected]

Sorry to be so late on the rollcall. We were busy with my daughter's wedding on the weekend! Rollcall:1766- 1880 EUTERMARK(s)/UTTERMARK(s) OHR/ALTER JORDAN NESTELL MILLIS

Seeking info on the following families in Herkimer County: PECK especially Oliver - Town of Norway late 1700's Mary - Richfield Springs 1880's and earlier CLARK especially Betsy P. Clark - Richfield Springs in 1860's BARD especially Samuel & Nancy, perhaps in Columbia Township in mid 1800's Pat Peck Saratoga Springs NY 12866 [email protected] ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Colonel Peter Bellinger was the regimental commander of the 4th Regiment, Tryon County militia during the Revolutionary War. The Tryon County militia was under the command of Brigadier General Nicholas Herkimer. These regiments fought in the battle of Oriskany on August 6, 1777. Steve Cromer C M Strong wrote: > I have noticed a couple of references to the name > BELLINGER. Apparetnly this is a name of some historic > significance in the Mohawk Valley at the time of the > Revloution -- does anyone know more?? > > My one BELLINGER is Catherine, who married Marcus Countryman > about 1750. Anyone have her in their line? > > Thanks! > Marsha > > ==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the message UNSUBSCRIBE to: > [email protected] or .... > [email protected] for DIGEST

BELLINGER JONES KLOCK BEAN or BALLARD HILL STEPHENS ROSIER TOWER Kate <[email protected]

Hello All, I have been researching many Montgomery and Herkimer families for some time. Rather than reply to all of the queries that have come on the list recently, I would rather list the resources that I am familiar and where to obtain them. Kinship www.kinship.ny.com Baptismal records for : Stone Arabia Reformed Church, 1739-1899, $45 Stone Arabia Trinity Lutheran Church, Pre 1751-1899, $55 Caughnawaga Reformed Church, 1758-1899, $64 German Flats Reformed Church, 1763-1899, $39 Herkimer Reformed Church, 1801-1899, $38.50 Marriage Records for: Stone Arabia Reformed Church and Stone Arabia Trinity Lutheran Churches 1739-1899, $27 Caughnawaga Reformed Church, 1772-1899, $28 German Flats Reformed Church and Herkimer Reformed Church, 1781-1899, $30 1855 Montgomery County Census $38 Vital Records for: Amsterdam Reformed Church at Manny's Corners 1799-1828, $13.50 Mapletown Reformed Church, 1803-1901, $29.50 Glen Reformed Church, 1805-1882, $25 St. John's Episcopal Church, Johnstown, NY 1815-1899, $27 Other good resources also available from Kinship: Penrose, Maryly B., Compendium of Early Mohawk Families, $75 Jones, Henry Z, Palatine Families of NY, $89.50 Jones, Henry Z, More Palatine Families $69.50 Other resources available from Kinship: Lasher Lineage and Supplement by Eileen Lasher Powers, $75 Lasher Supplement by Eileen Lasher Powers, $19.50 The Mohawk, Bound 4 issues per volume $28 Early Eigtheenth Century Palatine Emigration, by W. Knittle, $40 The Book of Names by Lou W. MacWethy, $15 Family Histories Available from the Herkimer Historical Society 400 N. Main St., Herkimer, NY 13350 (315) 866-6413 Nellis/Nelles Immigrants from the Palatine 1710 Vol 1 First 8 Generations, $75 The Mohark Valley Bellingers and Allied Families by Lyle F. Bellinger The Mohawk Valley Caslers and Allied Families by Hazel Patrick The Mohark Valley Harters and Allied Families by Marion Kofmehl The Mohawk Valley Herkimers and Allied Families by Hazel Patrick The Mohark Valley Petries and Allied Families The Mohawk Valley Rasbachs and Allied Families by Hazel Patrick Snell-Zimmerman-Timmerman Reunion Mrs Edith Timmerman, Secretary R D 1, Little Falls, NY 13365 Descendants of Lt. Henry Timmerman by Carolyn Timmerman Sidenus Descendants of Peter and Anna Kilts Snell by Carolyn Timmerman Sidenus Eigthteenth Century Snell Family by David Kendall Martin Other Family Histories Currently in Print The Bader-Bauder Family of the Mohawk Valley by Margaret Bauder Neilsen Lombard, Ill The Devendorf Family by Col. Ola W. Bell The Dallenbachs in America (2 separate volumes) Dillenbeck Family Reunion The Dockstader Family, 4 vol, Doris Dockstader Rooney, Dodge City, KS Elwood/Ellwood Genealogy by Edith Van Heusen Becker The Descendants of Christophel Fuchs of the Palatine by Donald P. Fox, 9 Maple St., Pittsford, NY 14534 The Getman Family Genealogy and Supplement by William Laimbeer Henry Hase/Hayes and his Descendants by David W. Hayes 20 First St., Malone, NY 12953-1338 The House Family of the Mohawk by Melvin Rhodes Shaver, Ransomville, NY The Vedder Family in America by Edwin H. Vedder Palatine Roots (Wagner Family) 1994 by Nancy Wagner Dixon, Picton Press, Camden, ME The Story of the Palatines, 1897 by Sanford H. Cobb, 1988 reprint by Heritage Books, Bowie, MD, 20716, (301) 390-7709 The Mohawk Valley by W. Max Reid 1988 reprint by Harbor Hills Books, P.O. Box 407, Harrison, NY 10528 The Mohawk Failing Family Family in the Eighteenth Century, 1979, by David Kendall Martin, West Chazy, NY Other resources which may be out of print: History of Montgomery County, 1892 by Washington Frothingham History of Herkimer County by Washington Frothingham Nelson Green's History of the Mohawk Valley, Vol III & IV The Flint Family by C. Ellis Flint, CE Published in 1931 by Enterprise & News, St. Johnsville, NY Bauman/Bowman Family by Maryly B. Penrose Eckler-Acker-Ackley Family by A. Ross Eckler, Morristown, NJ 1970 Ehle Ancestry by Boyd Ehle transcribe by John C. LaPiana, deceased Dominie John Jacob Ehle and his Descendants by Boyd Ehle, CE 1930 The Shults Family in America by Sue McCartney Van Wie, deceased. Published by Doris Dockstader Rooney, Dodge City, KS 1981 The Trail of the Black Walnut by Reaman G. Elmore, 1957 reprint, Herald Press Waymarks in Nelliston, NY, 1878-1978 Miscellaneous Sources: History of Herkimer County, 1893, by G. A. Hardin, 2 Volumes History of Montgomery and Fulton Counties, 1878 F. W. Beers & Co. 1981 reprint by Heart of the Lakes Publishing, Interlaken, NY History of Herkimer County, 1879 F. W. Beers & Co. Reprinted in about 1980, publisher unknown William Barker CD-ROM Early Families of Schoharie, Montgomery and Herkimer Counties, $20 25 Wheeler St., Shelton CT 06484 USA Email: [email protected] Richard Hayes [email protected]

A dandy and bountiful job, Richard. There is a superseding volume to The Descendants of Christophel Fuchs of the Palatine by Donald P. Fox, 9 Maple St., Pittsford, NY 14534 It is "The Mohawk Valley Foxes", published 1998, same author. r.a.d. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Hayes <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 1:54 PM Subject: [NYHERKIM-L] Resource List >Hello All, > >I have been researching many Montgomery and Herkimer families for some time. >Rather than reply to all of the queries that have come on the list recently, >I would rather list the resources that I am familiar and where to obtain >them. > >Kinship www.kinship.ny.com >Baptismal records for : >Stone Arabia Reformed Church, 1739-1899, $45 >Stone Arabia Trinity Lutheran Church, Pre 1751-1899, $55 >Caughnawaga Reformed Church, 1758-1899, $64 >German Flats Reformed Church, 1763-1899, $39 >Herkimer Reformed Church, 1801-1899, $38.50 > >Marriage Records for: >Stone Arabia Reformed Church and Stone Arabia Trinity Lutheran Churches >1739-1899, $27 >Caughnawaga Reformed Church, 1772-1899, $28 >German Flats Reformed Church and Herkimer Reformed Church, 1781-1899, $30 > >1855 Montgomery County Census $38 > >Vital Records for: >Amsterdam Reformed Church at Manny's Corners 1799-1828, $13.50 >Mapletown Reformed Church, 1803-1901, $29.50 >Glen Reformed Church, 1805-1882, $25 >St. John's Episcopal Church, Johnstown, NY 1815-1899, $27 > >Other good resources also available from Kinship: >Penrose, Maryly B., Compendium of Early Mohawk Families, $75 >Jones, Henry Z, Palatine Families of NY, $89.50 >Jones, Henry Z, More Palatine Families $69.50 > >Other resources available from Kinship: >Lasher Lineage and Supplement by Eileen Lasher Powers, $75 >Lasher Supplement by Eileen Lasher Powers, $19.50 >The Mohawk, Bound 4 issues per volume $28 >Early Eigtheenth Century Palatine Emigration, by W. Knittle, $40 >The Book of Names by Lou W. MacWethy, $15 > >Family Histories Available from the Herkimer Historical Society >400 N. Main St., Herkimer, NY 13350 (315) 866-6413 >Nellis/Nelles Immigrants from the Palatine 1710 Vol 1 First 8 Generations, >$75 >The Mohark Valley Bellingers and Allied Families by Lyle F. Bellinger > >The Mohawk Valley Caslers and Allied Families by Hazel Patrick >The Mohark Valley Harters and Allied Families by Marion Kofmehl >The Mohawk Valley Herkimers and Allied Families by Hazel Patrick >The Mohark Valley Petries and Allied Families >The Mohawk Valley Rasbachs and Allied Families by Hazel Patrick > >Snell-Zimmerman-Timmerman Reunion >Mrs Edith Timmerman, Secretary >R D 1, Little Falls, NY 13365 >Descendants of Lt. Henry Timmerman by Carolyn Timmerman Sidenus >Descendants of Peter and Anna Kilts Snell by Carolyn Timmerman Sidenus >Eigthteenth Century Snell Family by David Kendall Martin > >Other Family Histories Currently in Print >The Bader-Bauder Family of the Mohawk Valley by Margaret Bauder Neilsen >Lombard, Ill >The Devendorf Family by Col. Ola W. Bell >The Dallenbachs in America (2 separate volumes) Dillenbeck Family Reunion >The Dockstader Family, 4 vol, Doris Dockstader Rooney, Dodge City, KS >Elwood/Ellwood Genealogy by Edith Van Heusen Becker >The Descendants of Christophel Fuchs of the Palatine by Donald P. Fox, >9 Maple St., Pittsford, NY 14534 >The Getman Family Genealogy and Supplement by William Laimbeer >Henry Hase/Hayes and his Descendants by David W. Hayes >20 First St., Malone, NY 12953-1338 >The House Family of the Mohawk by Melvin Rhodes Shaver, Ransomville, NY >The Vedder Family in America by Edwin H. Vedder > >Palatine Roots (Wagner Family) 1994 by Nancy Wagner Dixon, >Picton Press, Camden, ME >The Story of the Palatines, 1897 by Sanford H. Cobb, 1988 reprint by >Heritage Books, Bowie, MD, 20716, (301) 390-7709 >The Mohawk Valley by W. Max Reid 1988 reprint by Harbor Hills Books, >P.O. Box 407, Harrison, NY 10528 >The Mohawk Failing Family Family in the Eighteenth Century, 1979, by David >Kendall Martin, West Chazy, NY > >Other resources which may be out of print: >History of Montgomery County, 1892 by Washington Frothingham >History of Herkimer County by Washington Frothingham >Nelson Green's History of the Mohawk Valley, Vol III & IV > >The Flint Family by C. Ellis Flint, CE Published in 1931 by Enterprise & >News, >St. Johnsville, NY >Bauman/Bowman Family by Maryly B. Penrose >Eckler-Acker-Ackley Family by A. Ross Eckler, Morristown, NJ 1970 >Ehle Ancestry by Boyd Ehle transcribe by John C. LaPiana, deceased >Dominie John Jacob Ehle and his Descendants by Boyd Ehle, CE 1930 >The Shults Family in America by Sue McCartney Van Wie, deceased. >Published by Doris Dockstader Rooney, Dodge City, KS 1981 >The Trail of the Black Walnut by Reaman G. Elmore, 1957 reprint, Herald >Press >Waymarks in Nelliston, NY, 1878-1978 > >Miscellaneous Sources: >History of Herkimer County, 1893, by G. A. Hardin, 2 Volumes >History of Montgomery and Fulton Counties, 1878 F. W. Beers & Co. 1981 >reprint by Heart of the Lakes Publishing, Interlaken, NY >History of Herkimer County, 1879 F. W. Beers & Co. Reprinted in about 1980, >publisher unknown > >William Barker CD-ROM >Early Families of Schoharie, Montgomery and Herkimer Counties, $20 >25 Wheeler St., Shelton CT 06484 USA >Email: [email protected] > >Richard Hayes >[email protected] > > > > > > > > > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== >Visit the Herkimer/Montgomery Counties GenWeb page at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ >

In a message dated 6/13/99 3:55:12 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Rather than reply to all of the queries that have come on the list recently, > I would rather list the resources that I am familiar and where to obtain > them. Hi Herkimer Co. List and especially Richard Hayes--What a great list of where to find information! Thanks! And may I suggest that anyone looking for the references mentioned, also check with Hopefarms Press (here's the url: http://www.hopefarm.com/) a truly wonderful online bookstore with great genealogy NY references, or go visit it in person in Saugerties, NY, where I believe it operates under the name of Booktrader II. I've used it both online and in person when I have the pleasure of visiting New York state. Regards, Marilyn Hough Stern, writing to you from an unbelievably cool ( 78 degrees) Austin, TX.

Wow! Thank you.

O mi gawsh, whatta great way to mention BELLINGERS ! More common than Smith, or Johnson in the Mohawk Valley. I think more BELLINGERS in the Tryon Militia in the Revolution than any other surname. There is a book BELLINGER genealogy published by the Herkimer County Historical Society that is very handy for genealogists. randy. -----Original Message----- From: C M Strong <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 5:53 AM Subject: [NYHERKIM-L] BELLINGER >I have noticed a couple of references to the name >BELLINGER. Apparetnly this is a name of some historic >significance in the Mohawk Valley at the time of the >Revloution -- does anyone know more?? > >My one BELLINGER is Catherine, who married Marcus Countryman >about 1750. Anyone have her in their line? > >Thanks! >Marsha > > > > >==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== >UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the message UNSUBSCRIBE to: > [email protected] or .... > [email protected] for DIGEST >

These are my surnames. Mostly around the Towns of Herkimer, Ilion, Mohawk. There are EDWARDS and more than likely BARGER still living in the area even today. It's a wild guess on my part, but I believe most of these families migrated to Herkimer County around the mid-late to late 1800s and as I said earlier, some of these families still live in the area to this very day. Good luck to us all and happy hunting. Barbara and grandson Lawrence, Our little Tornado. Proud sponsor of Rootsweb.

In a message dated 6/12/99 12:17:12 PM EST, [email protected] writes: << [email protected] >>

Randy, thanks for the reference. Graham

Check out our children's story "Adam Helmer's Run", accessible from the bottom of our front page in the Meet Your Ancestors section. This was put on line back in December 1998. At the end of the article is a link to the Helmer Cemetery, where Adam is buried, on the Cayuga County GenWeb site. Elsewhere on the Cayuga County page should be information about plans by the Cayuga County Town of Brutus and Village of Weedsport to honor Adam in the future. As I catch up with other work on the Herkimer/Montgomery site I'll be adding more information about Adam's descendants, as well as his Revolutionary War pension record. We need a volunteer who's good with old handwriting to transcribe the pension record. Target date for uploading the Helmer info is August 1999. Martha Coordinatoar Herkimer/Montgomery Counties NYGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, MADSEN CAROL wrote: > Helen > How nice of you to reply and think of that event. I, also, have seen this account. > I believe it was on the Herkimer County page, but might have been another location. > I'm trying to remember which Adam that was, and you may be right. I think I located > the story before I knew that he was an ancestor. I'll have to go back and check. > Thanks > Carol in Calif > > [email protected] wrote: > > > I saw the message posted by Carol Madsen re: Helmers. > > > > Carol refers to Adam Helmer. Adam Helmer has a place in history. Somewhere in > > Herkimer County there is a historic marker that I remember seeing as my family > > took Sunday drives. I remember a reference to "Adam Helmer's Run". I believe that > > he ran across the countryside to warn a settlement of an imminent attack by > > hostile Indians. (Something like that - it's been a long time!) Someone residing > > in Herkimer County may be able to share the details of this event. I live in > > Texas now, so I can't research it. > > > > Helen Burwell > > [email protected] > > > > MADSEN CAROL wrote: > > > > > OK so how are you connected? My Helmers seemed to be in Fairfield, and > > > Herkimer. Are they near Dolgeville or was that another part of the family? > > > My family is Philip Helmer listed on the Census of 1710, his son Johan Adam > > > (aka Adam) Helmer, his son Henry A. Helmer b. 1747, his son Leonard Helmer b. > > > > ==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== > > Visit the New York State GenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ > > Herkimer/Montgomery Counties: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ > > > > > ==== NYHERKIM Mailing List ==== > Visit the New York State GenWeb site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ > Herkimer/Montgomery Counties: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/ >

I have noticed a couple of references to the name BELLINGER. Apparetnly this is a name of some historic significance in the Mohawk Valley at the time of the Revloution -- does anyone know more?? My one BELLINGER is Catherine, who married Marcus Countryman about 1750. Anyone have her in their line? Thanks! Marsha

My surnames are KOCH COOK MAURERS MOWERS (BELLINGER Maybe) Ellie Cook Stephens [email protected] Homepage http://members.aol.com/CookCooke