Try the search both ways. Sometimes one way will be better than the other. It is not necessarily the same for every type search. Bobbi On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:46:49 -0400 "peigi mulligan" <pmulligan@hvc.rr.com> writes: > If I only had a brain..... > > Also, on ancestry.com, I've also found if I do a search just on > Census, All > Years, I get a better response than if I search on the main > search. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grstmll@yahoo.com" <grstmll@yahoo.com> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Van Duesen & Delamater > > > > Hi Peigi, > > Will try your suggestion this weekend and let you know if it > brings up > more information. > > The first VanDeusen to come to this country(circa 1623) was a > miller, > my husband's great grandfather was a miller and the house we live > in was > the home of the owner of a gristmill just across our dirt road. When > I first > started to create a screen name and everything else I wanted was > taken, I > looked out the window and it was "born". Of course someone had the > name > fully spelled out, but out of desperation of I took what I could > get. > > > > peigi mulligan <pmulligan@hvc.rr.com> wrote: > > Linda, > > Let me know how it works. > > Are you with Grist Mill? > > Peigi > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Grstmll@yahoo.com" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Van Duesen & Delamater > > > > > > > Hi, > > > Thought you had to have 5 letters ahead of the asterick to do > this type > > of search. I have used the ? a couple of letters before the > asterick.Will > > definitely try this and see what happens... > > > Thanks! > > > Linda > > > > > > peigi mulligan > > wrote: > > > when using ancestry.com census records, instead of soundex, > another > method > > > for finding sur or forenames is to put in the first 3 letters > with an > > > asterick, ie: > > > john smith > > > joh* > > > smi* > > > john smi* > > > joh* smi* > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Van Duesen & Delamater > > > > > > > > > > Hi Linda, > > > > > > > > It's not some much the family changing the spelling of their > name, it > is > > > usually spelled the way the census enumerator hears it. Most of > the > people > > > did not know how to write or spell. And I have found especially > with the > > > indices on Ancestry.com that the people who did the indices are > not > > familiar > > > with the Dutch surnames of the area. What I usually do to find > them is > do > > a > > > forename search, as most people (then and now) know how to > spell > Cornelius > > > or Claude. I put in the forename, state, county and town. And > alot of > the > > > time, if a family was not home, the cenus taker just asked a > neighbor > and > > > any one that was around and they might not know the correct > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the 1820 census Claverack, Columbia, NY, Roll M33-70, page > 66: > > > > Cornelius Van Deusen > > > > 3 males to 10 > > > > 2 males 10 to 16 > > > > 2 males 16 to 26 > > > > 1 male 45 and up > > > > 1 female 10 to 16 > > > > 1 female 26 to 45 > > > > 1 female 45 and up > > > > 5 in agriculture > > > > > > > > In the 1830 census also Claverack, Roll86, page 79 > > > > 2 male 5 to 10 > > > > 1 male 15 to 20 > > > > 1 male 20 to 30 > > > > 1 male to to 60 > > > > 1 female 15 to 20 > > > > 1 female 50 to 60 > > > > > > > > Also in the Dutch Reformed Church of Claverack: > > > > Baptism Date: 29 Nov 1834 > > > > Father: Claudius C. Van Deusen > > > > Mother: Lydia Ann Mc Clean > > > > Item #: 6434 > > > > Child: Julia Angline > > > > Sponsor: Claudius C. Van Deusen; Lydia Ann Mc Clean > > > > Birth Date: 29 Oct 1834 > > > > Baptism Record of Reformed Church: Claverack, (Columbia > County) > Reformed > > > Church 1727-1899 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > > > ------ > > > > Baptism Date: 01 Sep 1839 > > > > Father: Claudius Van Deusen > > > > Mother: Lydia Ann Mc Clean > > > > Item #: 6579 > > > > Child: Jurial > > > > Sponsor: Claudius Van Deusen; Lydia Ann Mc Clean > > > > Birth Date: 21 Aug 1838 > > > > Baptism Record of Reformed Church: Claverack, (Columbia > County) > Reformed > > > Church > > > > > > > > Is this the Claude you are looking for? > > > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Susan > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > > > > > > > Hello Susan, > > > > > Thank you so much for the information, that is the family I > am > looking > > > for. > > > > > > > > > > My problem is attempting to locate Cornelius and his son > Claude from > > the > > > > > time period of 1820 to 1840.With what you have told me, > their > strange > > > penchant > > > > > for changing their name had been going on for awhile. There > are > three > > > strange > > > > > possiblities that bring this about, they were actaully not > giving > the > > > correct > > > > > name, someone had a speech impediment, they got the worst of > the > > > > > enumerators.Though I did notice in the 1855 or 65 Kinderhook > census, > > the > > > > > enumerator was upset beause he was meeting with a great deal > of > > > resisitance to > > > > > his questions and either getting no information or > incomplete > answers. > > > > > > > > > > Will check out the name VanDrum, the name VanDensen was also > a name > I > > > found > > > > > them as, on the 1850 census in Chatham . > > > > > > > > > > So I will go back and redo the census records under alot of > other > > names > > > I > > > > > hadn't thought of. > > > > > I do so appreciate all that you are doing with your site, it > is > great! > > > If you > > > > > ever need help transcribing please let me know. Another > question, if > I > > > get back > > > > > down the the state library, is there something you are > interested in > > > from there? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, you mayhave solved a long standing mystery. > > > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smulvey wrote: > > > > > Hi Linda, > > > > > Not sure if this is the family your are looking for but I > thought I > > > would > > > > > send in anyway as the names are the same. > > > > > > > > > > From the book: "Marriage Record of Reformed Church, > Claverack, New > > York > > > > > 1717-1899" transcribed by Arthur C.M. Kelly, Kinship, > Rhinebeck, NY > > > 1970. > > > > > Page 24, No. 828: > > > > > 4.3.1797: Cornelius van Deusen married Linje De La Matter > > > > > > > > > > From the book: "Baptism Record of Reformed Church > Claverack, > (Columbia > > > > > County) New York" 1717-1899 transcribed by Arthur C.M. > Kelly, > Kinship, > > > > > Rhinebeck, NY 1970. > > > > > Page 147, No. 3216 > > > > > 7.7.1799, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. > Matteus > > > Abraham > > > > > born 6.18, sponsors: Tobias van Deusen and Cornelis van > Deusen. > > > > > > > > > > Page 157, No. 3429: > > > > > 12.7.1800, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje de La Matter bpt. > Robert > > born > > > > > 11.9, sponsors; Robert de La Matter and Magdalena De La > Matter. > > > > > > > > > > Page 170, No. 3714: > > > > > 7.11.1802, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. > Cloudy > > born > > > 6.4, > > > > > sponsors Cloudius de La Matter and Lena Mandevill. > > > > > > > > > > Page 178, No. 3897: > > > > > 11.13/1803, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. > Robert > > born > > > > > 10.7, sponsors; Robert van Deusen and Christina Decker. > > > > > > > > > > Page 191, No. 4179: > > > > > 10.20.1805, Cornelius van Deusen and Cathlina De La Matter > bpt. > > Cornelia > > > > > born 9.23, sponsors Abraham van Deusen and Arianje van > Deusen. > > > > > > > > > > Page 202, No. 4404: > > > > > 5.16.1807: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. > Maria > born > > > 2.8, > > > > > sponsors; parents. > > > > > > > > > > Page 208, No. 4538: > > > > > 4.18.1808: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. > Cornelius > > > born > > > > > 2.6, sponsors; parents. > > > > > > > > > > Page 224, No. 4895: > > > > > 1.25.1811: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. > James > > > Jeremiah > > > > > born 10.16.1810, sponsors; James de La Matter and Gitty > Osterhout. > > > > > > > > > > Page 276, No. 6040: > > > > > 7.16.1820: Cornelius van Deusen and Lynje De La Matter bpt. > Gilbert > > born > > > > > 5.22, sponsors; parents. > > > > > > > > > > Page 278, No. 6094: > > > > > 12.11.1821: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De Lamatter bpt. > John G. > > > Gebhard > > > > > born 9.29, sponsors; parents. > > > > > > > > > > Cornelius is in the 1820 Census Claverack, Columbia County > (Ancestry > > > Image > > > > > No. 10 under the surname of van durm??). He is in the 1830 > also in > > > > > Claverack (Ancestry Image No. 7 under the spelling of van > Densen). > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > Susan > > > > > ************************************************* > > > > > "If you can't get rid of the family skeleton, you may as > well make > it > > > > > dance." > > > > > -- George Bernard Shaw > > > > > Columbia County, NY Coordinator > > > > > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A Cornelius Vanhoesen appears in the 1820 census for Cairo > and also > > in > > > > > >Lexington in Greene Co. There is also a Cornelius J. > Vanhoesen in > > > Hudson, > > > > > >Columbia Co. in 1820. I realize this spelling is not > correct but > that > > > is > > > > > >the closest it came to VanDeusen when I did a search by > first name > > > only. > > > > > > In 1830 there is a Cornelius Vanhoosen in Windham and a > Cornelius > I. > > > Van > > > > > > Deusen in Stuyvesant, Columbia Co. > > > > > > For 1840. Cornelius Vandeusen at Berne in Albany Co., > Cornelius > > > Vandusen > > > > > > in Palatine, Montgomery Co. (actually two there); > Cornelius > Vandusen > > > at > > > > > > Nassau, Rensselaeer Co., Cornelius C. Vandusen at > Claverack, > > Columbia > > > Co., > > > > > > Cornelius Vanduser at New York City, Ward 13 > > > > > > 1850 > > > > > > Cornelius Van Deusen in Claverack, Columbia Co. born about > 1841, > > same > > > > > > spelling at Mohawk, Montgomery Co. born about 1800 and > Cornelius > C. > > at > > > > > > Claverack, Columbia Co. born about 1809. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Grstmll@yahoo.com" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:58 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Vedder research > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Good Morning, > > > > > >> So glad that you had a great trip to Europe and are back > with > > renewed > > > > > >> "vigor" You site is priceless. > > > > > >> In reference to your offer to do research, I was > wondering if you > > > might > > > > > >> be able to help me establish the location of my 5th > great > > grandfather > > > in > > > > > >> Greene County. > > > > > >> In 1813 Lynje DeLaMater wife of Cornelius VanDeusen > inherited > from > > > her > > > > > >> father Claude property in Coxsackie, right next to her > brother > > > Robert. I > > > > > >> do have Cornelius in that area in 1810, but seem to lose > them > > between > > > the > > > > > >> Will date and 1850! > > > > > >> They were apparently married in Columbia County, but > believe > their > > > > > >> principle residence was Coxsackie as they had atleast > two > children > > > > > >> baptized there. > > > > > >> Not sure what records are available there, but would > appreciate > if > > > you > > > > > >> could use your knowledge as to where to look. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thank you for your time, and please let me know if you > would like > > the > > > fee > > > > > >> prior to your visit to the library. I can send you a > check right > > > away.. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks again, > > > > > >> Linda VanDeusen-Kintzing > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sylvia Hasenkopf wrote: > > > > > >> Hello everyone. Back from vacation in Europe - had a > great time! > > And > > > > > >> ready to get back into posting material to the list and > > transcribing > > > > > >> cemeteries. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I''ll be heading to the Vedder Library to do some > research the > > first > > > > > >> Thursday evening and the first Saturday morning in > August. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> As most of you know, I can do look ups for a modest fee. > Family > > > files, > > > > > >> probate records, newspaper records etc. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If anyone is interested, let me know. Many may be > wondering - I > use > > > these > > > > > >> fees to acquire new material for the site. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Hope everyone is having a wonderful summer! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sylvia > > > > > >> > > > > > >>