when using ancestry.com census records, instead of soundex, another method for finding sur or forenames is to put in the first 3 letters with an asterick, ie: john smith joh* smi* john smi* joh* smi* ----- Original Message ----- From: <smulvey@comcast.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Van Duesen & Delamater > Hi Linda, > > It's not some much the family changing the spelling of their name, it is usually spelled the way the census enumerator hears it. Most of the people did not know how to write or spell. And I have found especially with the indices on Ancestry.com that the people who did the indices are not familiar with the Dutch surnames of the area. What I usually do to find them is do a forename search, as most people (then and now) know how to spell Cornelius or Claude. I put in the forename, state, county and town. And alot of the time, if a family was not home, the cenus taker just asked a neighbor and any one that was around and they might not know the correct information. > > > In the 1820 census Claverack, Columbia, NY, Roll M33-70, page 66: > Cornelius Van Deusen > 3 males to 10 > 2 males 10 to 16 > 2 males 16 to 26 > 1 male 45 and up > 1 female 10 to 16 > 1 female 26 to 45 > 1 female 45 and up > 5 in agriculture > > In the 1830 census also Claverack, Roll86, page 79 > 2 male 5 to 10 > 1 male 15 to 20 > 1 male 20 to 30 > 1 male to to 60 > 1 female 15 to 20 > 1 female 50 to 60 > > Also in the Dutch Reformed Church of Claverack: > Baptism Date: 29 Nov 1834 > Father: Claudius C. Van Deusen > Mother: Lydia Ann Mc Clean > Item #: 6434 > Child: Julia Angline > Sponsor: Claudius C. Van Deusen; Lydia Ann Mc Clean > Birth Date: 29 Oct 1834 > Baptism Record of Reformed Church: Claverack, (Columbia County) Reformed Church 1727-1899 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Baptism Date: 01 Sep 1839 > Father: Claudius Van Deusen > Mother: Lydia Ann Mc Clean > Item #: 6579 > Child: Jurial > Sponsor: Claudius Van Deusen; Lydia Ann Mc Clean > Birth Date: 21 Aug 1838 > Baptism Record of Reformed Church: Claverack, (Columbia County) Reformed Church > > Is this the Claude you are looking for? > > Hope this helps, > Susan > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Hello Susan, > > Thank you so much for the information, that is the family I am looking for. > > > > My problem is attempting to locate Cornelius and his son Claude from the > > time period of 1820 to 1840.With what you have told me, their strange penchant > > for changing their name had been going on for awhile. There are three strange > > possiblities that bring this about, they were actaully not giving the correct > > name, someone had a speech impediment, they got the worst of the > > enumerators.Though I did notice in the 1855 or 65 Kinderhook census, the > > enumerator was upset beause he was meeting with a great deal of resisitance to > > his questions and either getting no information or incomplete answers. > > > > Will check out the name VanDrum, the name VanDensen was also a name I found > > them as, on the 1850 census in Chatham . > > > > So I will go back and redo the census records under alot of other names I > > hadn't thought of. > > I do so appreciate all that you are doing with your site, it is great! If you > > ever need help transcribing please let me know. Another question, if I get back > > down the the state library, is there something you are interested in from there? > > > > Thanks again, you mayhave solved a long standing mystery. > > > > Linda > > > > > > smulvey wrote: > > Hi Linda, > > Not sure if this is the family your are looking for but I thought I would > > send in anyway as the names are the same. > > > > From the book: "Marriage Record of Reformed Church, Claverack, New York > > 1717-1899" transcribed by Arthur C.M. Kelly, Kinship, Rhinebeck, NY 1970. > > Page 24, No. 828: > > 4.3.1797: Cornelius van Deusen married Linje De La Matter > > > > From the book: "Baptism Record of Reformed Church Claverack, (Columbia > > County) New York" 1717-1899 transcribed by Arthur C.M. Kelly, Kinship, > > Rhinebeck, NY 1970. > > Page 147, No. 3216 > > 7.7.1799, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. Matteus Abraham > > born 6.18, sponsors: Tobias van Deusen and Cornelis van Deusen. > > > > Page 157, No. 3429: > > 12.7.1800, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje de La Matter bpt. Robert born > > 11.9, sponsors; Robert de La Matter and Magdalena De La Matter. > > > > Page 170, No. 3714: > > 7.11.1802, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. Cloudy born 6.4, > > sponsors Cloudius de La Matter and Lena Mandevill. > > > > Page 178, No. 3897: > > 11.13/1803, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. Robert born > > 10.7, sponsors; Robert van Deusen and Christina Decker. > > > > Page 191, No. 4179: > > 10.20.1805, Cornelius van Deusen and Cathlina De La Matter bpt. Cornelia > > born 9.23, sponsors Abraham van Deusen and Arianje van Deusen. > > > > Page 202, No. 4404: > > 5.16.1807: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. Maria born 2.8, > > sponsors; parents. > > > > Page 208, No. 4538: > > 4.18.1808: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. Cornelius born > > 2.6, sponsors; parents. > > > > Page 224, No. 4895: > > 1.25.1811: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. James Jeremiah > > born 10.16.1810, sponsors; James de La Matter and Gitty Osterhout. > > > > Page 276, No. 6040: > > 7.16.1820: Cornelius van Deusen and Lynje De La Matter bpt. Gilbert born > > 5.22, sponsors; parents. > > > > Page 278, No. 6094: > > 12.11.1821: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De Lamatter bpt. John G. Gebhard > > born 9.29, sponsors; parents. > > > > Cornelius is in the 1820 Census Claverack, Columbia County (Ancestry Image > > No. 10 under the surname of van durm??). He is in the 1830 also in > > Claverack (Ancestry Image No. 7 under the spelling of van Densen). > > > > Hope this helps, > > Susan > > ************************************************* > > "If you can't get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it > > dance." > > -- George Bernard Shaw > > Columbia County, NY Coordinator > > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ > > > > > > > > > > >A Cornelius Vanhoesen appears in the 1820 census for Cairo and also in > > >Lexington in Greene Co. There is also a Cornelius J. Vanhoesen in Hudson, > > >Columbia Co. in 1820. I realize this spelling is not correct but that is > > >the closest it came to VanDeusen when I did a search by first name only. > > > In 1830 there is a Cornelius Vanhoosen in Windham and a Cornelius I. Van > > > Deusen in Stuyvesant, Columbia Co. > > > For 1840. Cornelius Vandeusen at Berne in Albany Co., Cornelius Vandusen > > > in Palatine, Montgomery Co. (actually two there); Cornelius Vandusen at > > > Nassau, Rensselaeer Co., Cornelius C. Vandusen at Claverack, Columbia Co., > > > Cornelius Vanduser at New York City, Ward 13 > > > 1850 > > > Cornelius Van Deusen in Claverack, Columbia Co. born about 1841, same > > > spelling at Mohawk, Montgomery Co. born about 1800 and Cornelius C. at > > > Claverack, Columbia Co. born about 1809. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Grstmll@yahoo.com" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Vedder research > > > > > > > > >> Good Morning, > > >> So glad that you had a great trip to Europe and are back with renewed > > >> "vigor" You site is priceless. > > >> In reference to your offer to do research, I was wondering if you might > > >> be able to help me establish the location of my 5th great grandfather in > > >> Greene County. > > >> In 1813 Lynje DeLaMater wife of Cornelius VanDeusen inherited from her > > >> father Claude property in Coxsackie, right next to her brother Robert. I > > >> do have Cornelius in that area in 1810, but seem to lose them between the > > >> Will date and 1850! > > >> They were apparently married in Columbia County, but believe their > > >> principle residence was Coxsackie as they had atleast two children > > >> baptized there. > > >> Not sure what records are available there, but would appreciate if you > > >> could use your knowledge as to where to look. > > >> > > >> Thank you for your time, and please let me know if you would like the fee > > >> prior to your visit to the library. I can send you a check right away.. > > >> > > >> Thanks again, > > >> Linda VanDeusen-Kintzing > > >> > > >> > > >> Sylvia Hasenkopf wrote: > > >> Hello everyone. Back from vacation in Europe - had a great time! And > > >> ready to get back into posting material to the list and transcribing > > >> cemeteries. > > >> > > >> I''ll be heading to the Vedder Library to do some research the first > > >> Thursday evening and the first Saturday morning in August. > > >> > > >> As most of you know, I can do look ups for a modest fee. Family files, > > >> probate records, newspaper records etc. > > >> > > >> If anyone is interested, let me know. Many may be wondering - I use these > > >> fees to acquire new material for the site. > > >> > > >> Hope everyone is having a wonderful summer! > > >> > > >> Sylvia > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > > >> Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! > > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > >> > > >> ============================== > > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > >> areas they lived. 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Hi, Thought you had to have 5 letters ahead of the asterick to do this type of search. I have used the ? a couple of letters before the asterick.Will definitely try this and see what happens... Thanks! Linda peigi mulligan <pmulligan@hvc.rr.com> wrote: when using ancestry.com census records, instead of soundex, another method for finding sur or forenames is to put in the first 3 letters with an asterick, ie: john smith joh* smi* john smi* joh* smi* ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Van Duesen & Delamater > Hi Linda, > > It's not some much the family changing the spelling of their name, it is usually spelled the way the census enumerator hears it. Most of the people did not know how to write or spell. And I have found especially with the indices on Ancestry.com that the people who did the indices are not familiar with the Dutch surnames of the area. What I usually do to find them is do a forename search, as most people (then and now) know how to spell Cornelius or Claude. I put in the forename, state, county and town. And alot of the time, if a family was not home, the cenus taker just asked a neighbor and any one that was around and they might not know the correct information. > > > In the 1820 census Claverack, Columbia, NY, Roll M33-70, page 66: > Cornelius Van Deusen > 3 males to 10 > 2 males 10 to 16 > 2 males 16 to 26 > 1 male 45 and up > 1 female 10 to 16 > 1 female 26 to 45 > 1 female 45 and up > 5 in agriculture > > In the 1830 census also Claverack, Roll86, page 79 > 2 male 5 to 10 > 1 male 15 to 20 > 1 male 20 to 30 > 1 male to to 60 > 1 female 15 to 20 > 1 female 50 to 60 > > Also in the Dutch Reformed Church of Claverack: > Baptism Date: 29 Nov 1834 > Father: Claudius C. Van Deusen > Mother: Lydia Ann Mc Clean > Item #: 6434 > Child: Julia Angline > Sponsor: Claudius C. Van Deusen; Lydia Ann Mc Clean > Birth Date: 29 Oct 1834 > Baptism Record of Reformed Church: Claverack, (Columbia County) Reformed Church 1727-1899 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Baptism Date: 01 Sep 1839 > Father: Claudius Van Deusen > Mother: Lydia Ann Mc Clean > Item #: 6579 > Child: Jurial > Sponsor: Claudius Van Deusen; Lydia Ann Mc Clean > Birth Date: 21 Aug 1838 > Baptism Record of Reformed Church: Claverack, (Columbia County) Reformed Church > > Is this the Claude you are looking for? > > Hope this helps, > Susan > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Hello Susan, > > Thank you so much for the information, that is the family I am looking for. > > > > My problem is attempting to locate Cornelius and his son Claude from the > > time period of 1820 to 1840.With what you have told me, their strange penchant > > for changing their name had been going on for awhile. There are three strange > > possiblities that bring this about, they were actaully not giving the correct > > name, someone had a speech impediment, they got the worst of the > > enumerators.Though I did notice in the 1855 or 65 Kinderhook census, the > > enumerator was upset beause he was meeting with a great deal of resisitance to > > his questions and either getting no information or incomplete answers. > > > > Will check out the name VanDrum, the name VanDensen was also a name I found > > them as, on the 1850 census in Chatham . > > > > So I will go back and redo the census records under alot of other names I > > hadn't thought of. > > I do so appreciate all that you are doing with your site, it is great! If you > > ever need help transcribing please let me know. Another question, if I get back > > down the the state library, is there something you are interested in from there? > > > > Thanks again, you mayhave solved a long standing mystery. > > > > Linda > > > > > > smulvey wrote: > > Hi Linda, > > Not sure if this is the family your are looking for but I thought I would > > send in anyway as the names are the same. > > > > From the book: "Marriage Record of Reformed Church, Claverack, New York > > 1717-1899" transcribed by Arthur C.M. Kelly, Kinship, Rhinebeck, NY 1970. > > Page 24, No. 828: > > 4.3.1797: Cornelius van Deusen married Linje De La Matter > > > > From the book: "Baptism Record of Reformed Church Claverack, (Columbia > > County) New York" 1717-1899 transcribed by Arthur C.M. Kelly, Kinship, > > Rhinebeck, NY 1970. > > Page 147, No. 3216 > > 7.7.1799, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. Matteus Abraham > > born 6.18, sponsors: Tobias van Deusen and Cornelis van Deusen. > > > > Page 157, No. 3429: > > 12.7.1800, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje de La Matter bpt. Robert born > > 11.9, sponsors; Robert de La Matter and Magdalena De La Matter. > > > > Page 170, No. 3714: > > 7.11.1802, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. Cloudy born 6.4, > > sponsors Cloudius de La Matter and Lena Mandevill. > > > > Page 178, No. 3897: > > 11.13/1803, Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. Robert born > > 10.7, sponsors; Robert van Deusen and Christina Decker. > > > > Page 191, No. 4179: > > 10.20.1805, Cornelius van Deusen and Cathlina De La Matter bpt. Cornelia > > born 9.23, sponsors Abraham van Deusen and Arianje van Deusen. > > > > Page 202, No. 4404: > > 5.16.1807: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. Maria born 2.8, > > sponsors; parents. > > > > Page 208, No. 4538: > > 4.18.1808: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. Cornelius born > > 2.6, sponsors; parents. > > > > Page 224, No. 4895: > > 1.25.1811: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De La Matter bpt. James Jeremiah > > born 10.16.1810, sponsors; James de La Matter and Gitty Osterhout. > > > > Page 276, No. 6040: > > 7.16.1820: Cornelius van Deusen and Lynje De La Matter bpt. Gilbert born > > 5.22, sponsors; parents. > > > > Page 278, No. 6094: > > 12.11.1821: Cornelius van Deusen and Linje De Lamatter bpt. John G. Gebhard > > born 9.29, sponsors; parents. > > > > Cornelius is in the 1820 Census Claverack, Columbia County (Ancestry Image > > No. 10 under the surname of van durm??). He is in the 1830 also in > > Claverack (Ancestry Image No. 7 under the spelling of van Densen). > > > > Hope this helps, > > Susan > > ************************************************* > > "If you can't get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it > > dance." > > -- George Bernard Shaw > > Columbia County, NY Coordinator > > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/county/columbia/ > > > > > > > > > > >A Cornelius Vanhoesen appears in the 1820 census for Cairo and also in > > >Lexington in Greene Co. There is also a Cornelius J. Vanhoesen in Hudson, > > >Columbia Co. in 1820. I realize this spelling is not correct but that is > > >the closest it came to VanDeusen when I did a search by first name only. > > > In 1830 there is a Cornelius Vanhoosen in Windham and a Cornelius I. Van > > > Deusen in Stuyvesant, Columbia Co. > > > For 1840. Cornelius Vandeusen at Berne in Albany Co., Cornelius Vandusen > > > in Palatine, Montgomery Co. (actually two there); Cornelius Vandusen at > > > Nassau, Rensselaeer Co., Cornelius C. Vandusen at Claverack, Columbia Co., > > > Cornelius Vanduser at New York City, Ward 13 > > > 1850 > > > Cornelius Van Deusen in Claverack, Columbia Co. born about 1841, same > > > spelling at Mohawk, Montgomery Co. born about 1800 and Cornelius C. at > > > Claverack, Columbia Co. born about 1809. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Grstmll@yahoo.com" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Vedder research > > > > > > > > >> Good Morning, > > >> So glad that you had a great trip to Europe and are back with renewed > > >> "vigor" You site is priceless. > > >> In reference to your offer to do research, I was wondering if you might > > >> be able to help me establish the location of my 5th great grandfather in > > >> Greene County. > > >> In 1813 Lynje DeLaMater wife of Cornelius VanDeusen inherited from her > > >> father Claude property in Coxsackie, right next to her brother Robert. I > > >> do have Cornelius in that area in 1810, but seem to lose them between the > > >> Will date and 1850! > > >> They were apparently married in Columbia County, but believe their > > >> principle residence was Coxsackie as they had atleast two children > > >> baptized there. > > >> Not sure what records are available there, but would appreciate if you > > >> could use your knowledge as to where to look. > > >> > > >> Thank you for your time, and please let me know if you would like the fee > > >> prior to your visit to the library. I can send you a check right away.. > > >> > > >> Thanks again, > > >> Linda VanDeusen-Kintzing > > >> > > >> > > >> Sylvia Hasenkopf wrote: > > >> Hello everyone. Back from vacation in Europe - had a great time! And > > >> ready to get back into posting material to the list and transcribing > > >> cemeteries. > > >> > > >> I''ll be heading to the Vedder Library to do some research the first > > >> Thursday evening and the first Saturday morning in August. > > >> > > >> As most of you know, I can do look ups for a modest fee. Family files, > > >> probate records, newspaper records etc. > > >> > > >> If anyone is interested, let me know. Many may be wondering - I use these > > >> fees to acquire new material for the site. > > >> > > >> Hope everyone is having a wonderful summer! > > >> > > >> Sylvia > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > > >> Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! > > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > >> > > >> ============================== > > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > >> areas they lived. 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