There's another excellent book that I have buried here somewhere in this room I call a research room -- the reason I call it that is because I have to re-search it again and again when I want to find something. Anyway, I can't put my fingers on it but the title is something like "A Parish Between Two Manors." It's about the Reformed Church at Claverack. When we had a family reunion in Columbia County back in 1986 when I published my book, we were given a tour of the old Church worship building and given a brief talk about the history of the Church. Those people went there each Sunday from miles around and made a day of it -- Summer and Winter. Knowing the weather there, it just amazes me! If you have some specific baptisms/marriages you need, I may be able to help you. Email me off line and ask. Regards, Jim | -----Original Message----- | From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:21 PM | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | Hi Jim, | | Well the Van Loons were originally in the Albany area, but early on | established themselves at Loonenburg in present-day Athens. He rented the | place out for some few years before actually taking possession in the late | 1600's. I think he arrived only a little later than Jan Bronk did at | Coxsackie. | | Some of the families in the Claverack area like the Columbia County | Hallenbeck branch and the Van Hoesens worshipped at the Lutheran church | that | was established on Van Loon land across the river. | | I suspect that some of the trouble I have in researching a few of the | Athens | families is that they weren't Athens families. I need to look at the | records | of the St. Thomas Lutheran Church of Churchtown (Claverack) the next time | I | get to the library to see if they show up there. Some of these families | may | have crossed the river back and forth, after this church was formed, | depending upon which church currently had a pastor. | | The first Lutheran pastor at Loonenburg ranged over a very wide area | ministering to anyone who'd let him. | | For anyone who is interested in that early time period there is a very | interesting book out: | The Albany Protocol; Wilhelm Christoph Berkenmeyer's chronicle of | Lutheran affairs in New York Colony, 1731-1750. Translated by Simon Hart | and | Sibrandina Geertruid Hart-Runeman. Translation initiated by Harry J. | Kreider. Edited by John P. Dern. Ann Arbor, Mich, 1971. | It's a translation of the pastor's record and includes all kinds of neat | little tidbits about himself and his co-religionists. Including a meeting | held to discuss repairing the pier used by the church members from across | the river. | | But yeah, lots of families moved westward across the river. Some, as I | said, | were, I think, leaving rented lands from the two large manors. Each | generation would have to re-let the land at a higher rate of pay if they | wanted to stay. | | After the Revolutionary War, land on the western reaches of Greene County | would have been cleared of hostile Indians who importunely sided with the | British. The New England whalers who had tired of being harassed by the | British navy bought Hudson and added more commerce right across from | Athens. | I assume that commerce and people spilled over into Athens. And after the | war, with the Bristish masters out of the way, all kinds of land became | available. Some was given away in bounty payments in western NY, but | closer | to here all kinds of pending land issues were resolved under the auspices | of | the new government. And without stretching this list too far, much land | was | formally subdivided around this time by the heirs of earlier generations | making it available for sale. | | Jim | | -----Original Message----- | From: Jim Groat [mailto:jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com] | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:29 PM | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | | Jim, | | You must be reading my mind. I've been watching with some amazement the | numbrer of family names popping up here that originate in Columbia County! | The Deckers, Dederichs, Brandaus, Hollenbecks, VanLoans, Vosburghs, Van | Hoesens,etc., etc. | | Regards, | Jim Groat | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] | | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:48 AM | | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | | | I tend to think of the Deckers as a Columbia County family. I've seen | | their | | records in the Claverack and Linlithgo churches, probably others as | well. | | Maybe he came over from there. | | | | It's probably worth pointing out here that as I've been looking through | | census records lately it's interesting how many people came to Greene | from | | Rensselaer and Columbia Counties some time after the Revolutionary War | | period. Quite a few of them moved to the interior of Greene or the more | | western areas and firmly planted themselves there. The Van Valkenburghs | in | | Prattsville come to mind. I think some of these people may have left | | rented | | lands of the Livingstons or the Van Rensselaers for the opportunity to | own | | land in newly opened areas. | | | | Jim | | | | | | ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== | | Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. Stop on by | | and find your lost link! | | http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 | | | | ============================== | | New! Family Tree Maker 2005. 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The Parsonage between Two Manors : Annals of Clover-Reach / by Elizabeth L. Gebhard. Hudson, N.Y. : Bryan Printing Co., 1910 Elizabeth was the grand-daughter of one of the pastors. I speed-read it at the library some years ago. Damn thing didn't have an index. And we had Collier's History of Kinderhook written by a very long serving Dutch Reformed pastor. Funny how attentive to history some of these pastors and their families were. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jim Groat [mailto:jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:42 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua There's another excellent book that I have buried here somewhere in this room I call a research room -- the reason I call it that is because I have to re-search it again and again when I want to find something. Anyway, I can't put my fingers on it but the title is something like "A Parish Between Two Manors." It's about the Reformed Church at Claverack. When we had a family reunion in Columbia County back in 1986 when I published my book, we were given a tour of the old Church worship building and given a brief talk about the history of the Church. Those people went there each Sunday from miles around and made a day of it -- Summer and Winter. Knowing the weather there, it just amazes me! If you have some specific baptisms/marriages you need, I may be able to help you. Email me off line and ask. Regards, Jim | -----Original Message----- | From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:21 PM | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | Hi Jim, | | Well the Van Loons were originally in the Albany area, but early on | established themselves at Loonenburg in present-day Athens. He rented the | place out for some few years before actually taking possession in the late | 1600's. I think he arrived only a little later than Jan Bronk did at | Coxsackie. | | Some of the families in the Claverack area like the Columbia County | Hallenbeck branch and the Van Hoesens worshipped at the Lutheran church | that | was established on Van Loon land across the river. | | I suspect that some of the trouble I have in researching a few of the | Athens | families is that they weren't Athens families. I need to look at the | records | of the St. Thomas Lutheran Church of Churchtown (Claverack) the next time | I | get to the library to see if they show up there. Some of these families | may | have crossed the river back and forth, after this church was formed, | depending upon which church currently had a pastor. | | The first Lutheran pastor at Loonenburg ranged over a very wide area | ministering to anyone who'd let him. | | For anyone who is interested in that early time period there is a very | interesting book out: | The Albany Protocol; Wilhelm Christoph Berkenmeyer's chronicle of | Lutheran affairs in New York Colony, 1731-1750. Translated by Simon Hart | and | Sibrandina Geertruid Hart-Runeman. Translation initiated by Harry J. | Kreider. Edited by John P. Dern. Ann Arbor, Mich, 1971. | It's a translation of the pastor's record and includes all kinds of neat | little tidbits about himself and his co-religionists. Including a meeting | held to discuss repairing the pier used by the church members from across | the river. | | But yeah, lots of families moved westward across the river. Some, as I | said, | were, I think, leaving rented lands from the two large manors. Each | generation would have to re-let the land at a higher rate of pay if they | wanted to stay. | | After the Revolutionary War, land on the western reaches of Greene County | would have been cleared of hostile Indians who importunely sided with the | British. The New England whalers who had tired of being harassed by the | British navy bought Hudson and added more commerce right across from | Athens. | I assume that commerce and people spilled over into Athens. And after the | war, with the Bristish masters out of the way, all kinds of land became | available. Some was given away in bounty payments in western NY, but | closer | to here all kinds of pending land issues were resolved under the auspices | of | the new government. And without stretching this list too far, much land | was | formally subdivided around this time by the heirs of earlier generations | making it available for sale. | | Jim | | -----Original Message----- | From: Jim Groat [mailto:jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com] | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:29 PM | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | | Jim, | | You must be reading my mind. I've been watching with some amazement the | numbrer of family names popping up here that originate in Columbia County! | The Deckers, Dederichs, Brandaus, Hollenbecks, VanLoans, Vosburghs, Van | Hoesens,etc., etc. | | Regards, | Jim Groat | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] | | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:48 AM | | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | | | I tend to think of the Deckers as a Columbia County family. I've seen | | their | | records in the Claverack and Linlithgo churches, probably others as | well. | | Maybe he came over from there. | | | | It's probably worth pointing out here that as I've been looking through | | census records lately it's interesting how many people came to Greene | from | | Rensselaer and Columbia Counties some time after the Revolutionary War | | period. Quite a few of them moved to the interior of Greene or the more | | western areas and firmly planted themselves there. The Van Valkenburghs | in | | Prattsville come to mind. I think some of these people may have left | | rented | | lands of the Livingstons or the Van Rensselaers for the opportunity to | own | | land in newly opened areas. | | | | Jim | | | | | | ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== | | Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. Stop on by | | and find your lost link! | | http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 | | | | ============================== | | New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your | ancestors | | at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: | | | http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599& | | targetid=5429 | | | ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== | Greene County - Abstracts of Wills 1800-1900 - going on-line now! | http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx | | | ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== | Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, | Wills and so much more! Check us out! | http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 | | ============================== | View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find | marriage announcements and more. 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