I know of one census in a city where the mayor took the census and changed every Indian to Black. I guess he thought that he was a magician. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Groat" <jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:40 AM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua > Next time you're looking at census records compare some 1910 and 1920 and > see how miraculously many of those of German origin from 1910 became in > 1920 > of other origins such as Austrian, Bavarian, Alsace-Loraine (sp.?), etc. I > wonder if WW-I had anything to do with that? <grin> > > Out west I believe the indian situation was a bit different. The Shufelts > had quite a few males marry female indians. Never could figure out how the > children were always considered indian and not white or "other." Being > "other" today can have its advantages. > > We've come a long way and it only took a couple of centuries! <grin> > > Jim > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: elainedecker@frontiernet.net [mailto:elainedecker@frontiernet.net] > | Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:02 AM > | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > | Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua > | > | Hi Jim, > | What you say is true. > | I am a member of the Wiquapaug Eastern Pequot Tribe of RI and CT. I > | go > | there to be with the tribe often. It took me 50 years to find my > father's > | people as Indians would marry white and try to "pass". I grew up in New > | Berlin, Chenango County, which is about 10 miles from the old Brotherton > | Reservation. I get a kick when I read old census images where my > cousins > | all the sudden are written down as white if they moved off the > reservation > | and married white. My father was the only one of six children to be > told > | of > | his Indian blood. It was hard to hide his Indian blood as he had coal > | black > | straight hair, dark skin and all the features. You kept it hidden and > | denied, denied, denied. Indians are still discriminated against. If > you > | were Indian the government would come and take your children and send > them > | to boarding schools to beat the Indian out of them. The Carlisle school > | in > | PA. is one of those schools. That was in this century. Woops. I > should > | say the 1900s. Their clothing and medicine bags, etc., were thrown away > | and > | their hair was cut and they had to learn how to run a sewing machine or > | become a blacksmith. The saying was that you killed the Indian to save > | the > | child. The children commited suicide, ran away or families were lost > | forever. The Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves but did NOT > free > | the Indians. Indians were not made citizens until 1923 or 24, can't > | remember the exact year. They could not inherit land or personal > property > | and ended up on the street if their white spouse died. I could go on > and > | on. If there are rumors of an Indian in your family it is probably true > | but > | you will not find out who, when or where unless you spend 50 years > | searching > | like I did. It is usually a very tight secret. > | Elaine, a red haired, blue eyed member of an Indian tribe. I am so > proud > | they accepted me. > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> > | To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:28 PM > | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua > | > | > | > Don't forget the Indians that stayed and married the whites. > | > > | > -------------------------------------------------------------- > | > <<<After the Revolutionary War, land on the western reaches of Greene > | > County > | > would have been cleared of hostile Indians who importunely sided with > | > the>>> > | > British. ----- Original Message ----- > | > ---- > | > Hi Elaine, > | > > | > Well, yes, but those would have been the VERY friendly indians. Not > the > | > hostile ones. > | > > | > I've got a Van Slyck line of descent that takes me back to a Mohawk > | > maiden. > | > Jan Bronk's brother Peter is said to have taken an indian wife and > | > disappeared from society's records. > | > > | > Some of the indian descent stories are false, but if you go back early > | > enough in New York's history some of them prove out. If your people > | were > | > here early enough, all kinds of things are possible. > | > > | > If you look through the early Athens Lutheran records you will find > the > | > marriage of Peter Christiaanse, a Madagascar slave of Jan Van Loon, to > | > Elisabeth Brandemoes, a white Palatine woman whose husband had died. > | They > | > baptized six children. > | > > | > I just meant that the indians were no longer dragging Abeels and > Snyders > | > off > | > into the woods on their way to Canada. 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