Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother died maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her living with the Cloughs at the age of 4. We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak Hill, NY. No mother was listed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. Thanks, Etta ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > That's kind of hard to answer because your info isn't specific enough, > i.e., > which John and Hannah Clough couple is this - do you have their ages or > something else to better identify them? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Etta Benedict [mailto:e.benedict@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:12 PM > To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > > > Has anyone a connection between this two families. Had a grandmother > (Mary > Hollenbeck) born in OakHill, 1845, > father Joseph. Can't find any info on Joseph or spouse. Found a Mary > Hollenbeck, 5 years old in 1850, living with John and Hannah Clough family > in the 1850 Athens Census. Don't know of the Cloughs were relatives or > not. > Any info would be > appreciated. Dottie Golden/Etta Benedict > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, > Wills and so much more! Check us out! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Let me try this again correctly. I have a Maggie Clough (b. 1847- ?) m. Jacob VAN VALKENBURGH (c. 1877-1947). I am not researching the families in depth - just have a PLANK descendent of interest to married their son Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etta Benedict" <e.benedict@comcast.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. > Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I > referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 > census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. > > Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs > was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother > died maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her > living with the Cloughs at the age of 4. > We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to > have dropped off the face of the earth. > > We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John > Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak > Hill, NY. No mother was listed. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. > Thanks, Etta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > > >> That's kind of hard to answer because your info isn't specific enough, >> i.e., >> which John and Hannah Clough couple is this - do you have their ages or >> something else to better identify them? >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Etta Benedict [mailto:e.benedict@comcast.net] >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:12 PM >> To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough >> >> >> Has anyone a connection between this two families. Had a grandmother >> (Mary >> Hollenbeck) born in OakHill, 1845, >> father Joseph. Can't find any info on Joseph or spouse. Found a Mary >> Hollenbeck, 5 years old in 1850, living with John and Hannah Clough >> family >> in the 1850 Athens Census. Don't know of the Cloughs were relatives or >> not. >> Any info would be >> appreciated. Dottie Golden/Etta Benedict >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, >> Wills and so much more! Check us out! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read about > our revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Leslie, I was going to correct you prior e-mail when this one came in. Maggie Clough was the adopted daughter of Jeremiah E. Clough and is mentioned in his will as posted on Sylvia's website. I'm not sure who her parents were, but I think they were also Cloughs or Clows. Who was the Lizzie Plank that married Ross? I thought I saw her mother Martha T. with her in the 1905 Athens census. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Leslie [mailto:lwgrauer@shaw.ca] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:36 AM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough Let me try this again correctly. I have a Maggie Clough (b. 1847- ?) m. Jacob VAN VALKENBURGH (c. 1877-1947). I am not researching the families in depth - just have a PLANK descendent of interest to married their son Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etta Benedict" <e.benedict@comcast.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. > Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I > referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 > census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. > > Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs > was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother > died maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her > living with the Cloughs at the age of 4. > We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to > have dropped off the face of the earth. > > We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John > Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak > Hill, NY. No mother was listed. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. > Thanks, Etta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > > >> That's kind of hard to answer because your info isn't specific enough, >> i.e., >> which John and Hannah Clough couple is this - do you have their ages or >> something else to better identify them? >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Etta Benedict [mailto:e.benedict@comcast.net] >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:12 PM >> To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough >> >> >> Has anyone a connection between this two families. Had a grandmother >> (Mary >> Hollenbeck) born in OakHill, 1845, >> father Joseph. Can't find any info on Joseph or spouse. Found a Mary >> Hollenbeck, 5 years old in 1850, living with John and Hannah Clough >> family >> in the 1850 Athens Census. Don't know of the Cloughs were relatives or >> not. >> Any info would be >> appreciated. Dottie Golden/Etta Benedict >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, >> Wills and so much more! Check us out! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read about > our revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Moving in and Moving on - Greene County's Migrations Database - add your families now and make the connection! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Etta, Thanks for being more specific, now I know which couple you mean. Unfortunately, I've looked at that Clough couple and their children before and haven't been able to figure out how they fit into the Clow/Clough family, so I can't tell if there is a Hallenbeck connection with the wife. I haven't done much work in the Oak Hill area, but in looking through my database I can't find a Joseph Hallenbeck born before 1845. I also can't find a suitable Mary Hallenbeck even after adding a quick scan of the Oak Hill DRC records on Sylvia's website. I have noticed that some of the Hallenbecks who came to Oak Hill after the Rev War were from the Columbia County branch of the family. I'm not as familiar with them. You seem to have one of those genealogical clues that we all hate. One that leads nowhere when read literally. Some ideas you may have already thought of - Joseph wasn't the father's name - there were Jochims and such in the Hallenbeck lines, maybe it was anglicized? Maybe she wasn't born at Oak Hill, but moved there at an early age? I'm curious if anyone has any ideas about apparently unrelated children showing up with other families in the mid-1800 censuses. Sometimes it's clear that they are related, other times I have to wonder if the neighbors, being good neighbors, just took them in after their parents died. I've wondered if some of this may have been child-care arrangements when parents were away on travel. Without knowing that there was a family connection I don't see how an Oak Hill child would have wound up in Athens. Jim ---- Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother died maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her living with the Cloughs at the age of 4. We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak Hill, NY. No mother was listed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. Thanks, Etta

Jim, I can attest to the 'farming out' of children in the area. There were no local orphanages so adoption was the only available answer to parentless children. A case in point occurred in my family line in my paternal grandmother died in 1914 leaving my grandfather Herman with 6 young children. He found them all homes with other residents in the area, my father Raymond was raised by Arthur King and his wife on a farm in Coxsackie. This was a common practice that we researchers need to be aware of. Ron Waldron - Elder Member Of An Ancient Warrior Class - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > Hi Etta, > Thanks for being more specific, now I know which couple you mean. > Unfortunately, I've looked at that Clough couple and their children before > and haven't been able to figure out how they fit into the Clow/Clough > family, so I can't tell if there is a Hallenbeck connection with the wife. > > I haven't done much work in the Oak Hill area, but in looking through my > database I can't find a Joseph Hallenbeck born before 1845. I also can't > find a suitable Mary Hallenbeck even after adding a quick scan of the Oak > Hill DRC records on Sylvia's website. > > I have noticed that some of the Hallenbecks who came to Oak Hill after the > Rev War were from the Columbia County branch of the family. I'm not as > familiar with them. > > You seem to have one of those genealogical clues that we all hate. One > that > leads nowhere when read literally. Some ideas you may have already thought > of - Joseph wasn't the father's name - there were Jochims and such in the > Hallenbeck lines, maybe it was anglicized? Maybe she wasn't born at Oak > Hill, but moved there at an early age? > > I'm curious if anyone has any ideas about apparently unrelated children > showing up with other families in the mid-1800 censuses. Sometimes it's > clear that they are related, other times I have to wonder if the > neighbors, > being good neighbors, just took them in after their parents died. I've > wondered if some of this may have been child-care arrangements when > parents > were away on travel. > > Without knowing that there was a family connection I don't see how an Oak > Hill child would have wound up in Athens. > > > Jim > > > ---- > > > Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. > Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I > referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 > census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. > > Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs > was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother > died > maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her living > with > the Cloughs at the age of 4. > We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to > have > dropped off the face of the earth. > > We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John > Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak > Hill, NY. No mother was listed. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. > Thanks, Etta > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >