Excellent Sylvia - oy ! John and Hannah ??? That's a new one. Are the Schermerhorn girl marriages available ???? To answer your question - John Roberts and Margaret Magdalena Schermerhorn are in the 1855 thru 1870 NY state and federal census and in all cases John Robberts is born in French speaking Canada. He was probably a son of the many boatman plowing the waves of the Hudson with a Schermerhorn at the helm. Henry and Polly van Valkenburgh - could he have been John Henry Schermerhorn ? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sylvia Hasenkopf Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Athens Zion Lutheran Church - Roberts/Schermerhorn John, here's what's in the Zion Lutheran Church records 1790 - `850 - males only: Jacob Schermerhorn and Catharina, parents, Maria, child, b. 2.24, bap. 3.8.1790, sponsors: Caspar V. Husen and Maria, his wife William Schermerhorn and Mary Van Hoesen, Margaret, b. 10.17. bap. 11.9.1794, sponsors: Jacob G. Van Hoesen, and Elis. his wife John Schermerhorn and Hendrikje, parents, John, child, b. 2.3, bap. 6.7.1801, sponsors: Johannes Out and Elisabeth Henry Shermehorn and Maria, parents, Hilletje, child, b. 10.13., bap. 10.24.1802, sponsors: Parents John Schermerhorn and Hannah, parents, Jane, child, b. 12.18.1803, sponsors; Parents Henry Schermerhorn and Catherine, parents, Hetty, child, b. 12.5.1804, bap. 1.13.1805, sponsors: parents Henry Schermerhorn and mary, parents, John, child, b. 9.16.1805, bap. 2.10.1806, sponsors: Parents That's it in baptisms until 1850 Marriages Athens Zion Lutheran: 12.9.1794 - Henry Schermerhorn and Polly Van Valkenburg That's it. To my experience the Schermerhorns were not Lutherans. Originally Reformed Dutch. How do you know that John was born in French speaking Canada? Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott, John (IT)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Athens Zion Lutheran Church - Roberts/Schermerhorn > > Dear Sylvia - thank you for the extraction. The date and place are > indeed a real victory to me. > > I would be interested in any other Schermerhorns or Roberts b.m.d. at > the Zion Lutheran Kirk from 1790 - 1850 if any of these records might > exist. If not too much trouble. > > I don't think that John Schermerhorn or his wife probably Maria are > buried in Athens. > > In April 15,1812 Magadalene was baptized by the minister at the Trinity > Episcopal Church in Athens - the birth year of Magdalene Roberts is 1812 > and her birthplace is Athens. > > The only John Schermerhorn seems to be the one who married Henrietta Van > Hosen and had John and Maria in 1799/1800 at Athens but seems to have > had no more. I cant tell how long he associated with the Episcopal > Church ( if that is him and it seems to be him). The minister of the > Episcopal Church preached the sermon at the death of Mr. Schermerhord of > Athens at Hudson in 1816 - was this John ? We might never know unless it > was in a newspaper. > > John Roberts was born in French speaking Canada in 1810 - that a John > Roberts in 1820 is living 3 houses from John Schermerhorn @ Athens - > probably father of Magdalena that is interesting to me. I would ASSUME > that John Roberts was probably catholic and converted to marry > Magdalene. > > With kind regards, > > Jack Scott > Hanover,Pa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sylvia Hasenkopf > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:28 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Athens Zion Lutheran Church - > Roberts/Schermerhorn > > Hello John, yes indeed, in the Zion Lutheran Church in Athens records, > the > marriage is listed: > John Robberts and Magdalene Schermerhorn, married 3.17.1836, witnesses: > Peter Loving and Eliza Polley > > I do not see that this couple, or ineed any Roberts family member had > children baptised in this church. > > However, in the Coxsackie Reformed Church I see a James Roberts and > Dorty > Hoogteling who baptize a son John , b. 6.6.1808, in 1808. > > They also baptized: > Edward, b. 10.15.1803, in 1803 > Richard, b. 9.1.1805, on 11.1.1805, > Catherine, b. 4.16.1811, bap in 1811, > Peter, b. 7.7.1813, on 8.28.1813, > James, b. 3.28.1816, on 6.22.1816, > Storm Teunis, b. 1.1.1819, bap. 6.19.1819 > Jane, b. 6.25.1821, bap. 10.28.1821 > > This couple was married in the Coxsackie, RDC 5.11.1803. Both were from > Coxsackie. > > I see a John Robert and Phebe Bronk getting married 10.2.1830 in the > Coxsackie RDC. He was from Coxsackie, she from New Baltimore. > > The 1855 census shows: > In New Baltimore: > James Roberts, farmer, aged 48, 48 yrs in New Baltimore, b. Greene Co, > wife > Gertrude, aged 43, b. Albany Co, 24 yrs in New Baltimore, children: > John, > farmer 20, Abram, farmer 19, Adaline 13, Mary 11, Reuben 9, Augustus 7 > > In New Baltimore: > James Robert Jr (this may mean he was the younger of two James Roberts > in > the area, not necessarily father and son James), carpenter, aged 39, b. > Greene County, 39 yrs in New Baltimore, Sarah J, wife, aged 34, b. > Albany > Co, 15 yrs in New Baltimore, children: Susan Mary 14, Storm T. 10, James > H. > 6, Wingfield 4, Theresa 1, Dorothy, mother, aged 76, b. Greene Co, 76 > yrs in > New Baltimore > > In Coxsackie: > John Roberts, carpenter, aged 46, b. Greene Co, 46 yrs in Coxsackie, > Phoebe, wife, aged 42, b. Greene Co, 42 yrs in Coxsackie, children: > Elizabeth 16, Peter, carpenter 18, Sarah J. 13, Mary C 10, Benjamin 8, > Willard 6, James H. 4 > > There are other Roberts listed as well: > Tunis aged 36 and family in New Baltimore > Richard, aged 22, and Phebe A. aged 23, living with Benjamin > Houghtaling, > aged 29 > Peter, aged 43 and family in New Baltimore > Peter J. aged 24 living with John W. Wolf aged 39 > Isaiah, aged 53 and family in New Baltimore > Ezekiel, aged 39 and family in Cairo > Eliza, a widow, aged 65 and family in Cairo > Edward, aged 51 and family in New Baltimore > Edward, aged 28, and mother Sarah, aged 57 and brother Elisha, aged 18 > in > Coxsackie > > The 1850 census shows a number of Roberts families living side by side: > 685 759 Roberts Elias 71 farmer $1,500 NY > Roberts Sarah 58 NY > Roberts Elias 12 NY > Roberts Edward 24 laborer NY > Roberts Ellen 24 NY > Roberts Judson 3 NY > Roberts Elizabeth 3 NY > 686 760 Roberts Dolly 72 female laborer NY > Roberts Tunis 30 laborer NY > Roberts Jane 22 NY > Roberts Samuel P. 2 NY > Roberts Mary L. 2 m NY > 687 761 Roberts Edward 42 shoemaker $600 NY > Roberts Phebe 41 NY > Roberts Dolly M. 17 NY > Roberts Sara J. 12 NY > Roberts Jacob 9 NY > Roberts Margaret E. 8 NY > Roberts Charles 2 NY > Gadwin ? Peter 64 cooper NY > Houghtaling H. P. 26 shoemaker NY > 688 762 Roberts Isaih 44 farmer NY > Roberts Maria 37 NY > Roberts Henry 14 laborer NY > Roberts Elizabeth A. 13 NY > 689 763 Roberts James 39 carpenter $1,200 NY page 34 8/16/1850 > Roberts Sarah 38 NY > Roberts Susan M. 8 NY > Roberts Storham 4 NY > Roberts James H. 2 NY > Youmans Caroline 16 NY > 690 764 Roberts Peter 36 farmer $1,200 NY > Roberts Susan 33 NY > Roberts Mary J. 7 NY > Roberts Henryetta 5 NY > Roberts Elizabeth A. 2 NY > 716 791 Roberts John 42 farmer NY > Roberts Phebe 37 NY > Roberts Harriet 19 NY > Roberts Peter 13 NY > Roberts Elizabeth A. 10 NY > Roberts Sarah J. 7 NY > Roberts Mary C. 5 NY > Roberts Benjamin 2 NY > 649 720 Roberts James 42 laborer $200 NY > Roberts Gitty A. 40 NY > Roberts Adaline 8 NY > Roberts Mary 7 NY > Roberts Reuben 5 NY > Roberts Silvenus 2 female NY > > The Greene Co website shows a number of Roberts in the New > Baltimore/Coxsackie area www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > See > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nygreen2/roberts_family_cemetery.htm > Therre are 187 "hits" meaning pages where the Roberts name shows up on > the > website. > > Good luck! > > Sylvia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott, John (IT)" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:16 AM > Subject: [NYGREENE] Athens Zion Lutheran Church - Roberts/Schermerhorn > > >> >> Greene Countyites .... a good new year to you. >> >> A researcher who has some access the records compiled by Kelly has >> indicated that in 1836 there was a marriage at this church of John >> Roberts and Magdalena Schemerhorn. >> >> Can anyone offer the specific record ?? I am very interested in this >> record - this appears to be my gr-gr-gr grandparents. >> >> Also, in Athens in the 1820 census there appears John Roberts with a >> son old enough to be the John Roberts father. I am now making a >> tentative link from father to son. >> >> There is a birth in Athens mentioned in the Trinity Episcopal Church > of >> Magdalena Schermerhorn Apr 15 ,1812 - I think this is my "Margaret >> Magdalena Schermerhorn b. Athens, NY ca. 1812 as daughter of John >> Schermerhorn and Maria/Mary as stated on her death certificate. >> >> Any helps with b.m.d in Athens of the Roberts family and the >> Schermerhorns still present is of interest. >> >> It appears to me that Magdalena Schermerhorn lived or was present in >> Athens from 1812 to 1836 and probably till 1850 - she may have gone > over >> to Hudson. >> >> The only other John Schermerhorn known to me in this time frame was > abt >> 1800 when two children were born to him and Hetty Van Hosen - namely >> John and Maria. >> >> Jack >> Hanover,Pa >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message