Audrey, Super kudos! That IS an amazing amount of genealogical information to be found in a newspaper account. OK, not primary evidence but still AMAZING! Dick Hillenbrand On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Audrey Klinkenberg <[email protected]>wrote: > Gary, I have info... From the Saugerties Telegraph, Nov 27, 1868 > Amanda Brodhead was found insensible on the roadside in Accord on the 15th > with bullet holes in her heart. She died on Wednesday following... > > >From the Saugerties Telegraph, Dec 4, 1868 > It was not Amanda Broadhead who was murdered, she is in Grand Rapids, > Michigan. The person killed was Sophia Smith, whose name before marriage > was Sophia Tompkins, born near Olive, who married twice, first to Jacob > Hornbeck, who enlisted in the 143rd regiment and died inthe army, and > second > in September, 1867 to Jeremiah Smith, who murdered her. Jeremiah Smith was > raised in Neversink. Three children living at home, aged 12, 9 and 5, two > girls and a boy, and one daughter married and lving in Olive. > > Although there won't be any other genealogical information in the article, > there may be more details about the incident. > The newspapers are on microfilm at The Saugerties Public Library. Ask and > ye shall receive... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Dufel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Rev Hedstrom plus Dunagan and Tompkins > > > > Dick - > > > > Thanks for the tips and the interest. > > > > I do have a wealth of info from the newspapers - and I have it typed if > > anyone cares for a copy. Although the murderer was known, he was never > > captured, thus no trial. I did think of the court records for the > various > > activities that did take place, but everyone tells me there would be no > > records from 1868. (By the way - murder was in Accord, Ulster County). > > > > Never once in all the news articles did it discuss the woman's parentage, > > which is what I am interested in. And not only did I never run across and > > obit from late 1868, she is known to be buried in an unmarked grave - I > > presume in Accord. I have even spoken to someone who thought he had a > > line > > on the local cemetery records, but that did not pan out. > > > > This is what makes family history such an interesting hobby. It's the > > chase > > for info, when info is tough to locate. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Dick Hillenbrand > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:42 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Rev Hedstrom plus Dunagan and Tompkins > > > > > > Gary, > > > > The chances of finding marriage record notes of this man is near > > impossible, > > but the operative word is "near." > > > > As it turns out that he being fairly prominent and a newspaper editor, > > there > > "might" be some of his journals somewhere and if I were you I would not > > rest > > until I found them. > > > > Sophia, murdered? GREAT! > > (Of course not so great for Sophia, and my apologies, but couldn't > > resist.) > > There will be court records of the trial, and you might get testimony > from > > a > > brother or married sister, or some other type of clue. Dig through the > > case > > files, they are all published in the court house of record. > > > > There will also be newspaper accounts, and best might be a juicy estate > > file > > in a probate court somewhere. > > > > This is a straw wall that any wolf could easily blow down. \grin/ > > > > Dick Hillenbrand > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Gary Dufel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I want to thank eveyone who took in interest in The Rev Hedstrom. I > >> wasn't > >> so much interested in his bio as I was finding records of people who he > >> officiated at their wedding or christenings, but I do appreciate people > >> spending some time on this task. > >> > >> There are two other brick walls that I have never broken down. Again > >> with > >> all the great advice I have been given and the efforts of some people on > >> the > >> Rev Hedstrom, I ask if anyone has clues to either of the following. It > >> is > >> not that I expect people to do my research as I sit back, I am simply > out > >> of > >> ideas and can use the expertise of others to see if these walls can be > >> knocked loose. > >> > >> 1. A Michael Donegan/Dunagan/Dunigan (born in Ireland about 1804) > > probably > >> arrived in Hunter about 1826-1827, married Elenor Underhill and they had > >> numerous children as was the fashion of the day (Mary Ann, John, Andrew, > >> Michael, Ellen, Lucy, William, Martha, Julia Theresa, and possibly one > >> older > >> daughter from the 1820's who never got listed by name in the census). > In > >> about 1848 they moved to Ulster County - Town of Olive. My main quest > is > >> to > >> get any info on the background of Michael Donegan "from Ireland". I > have > >> found no records of any kind in Hunter for he or his family. No church > >> records, no marriage, christenings, land - if it wasn't for census > >> records > >> I > >> would wonder if he existed. So any ideas to get a line on Michael or on > >> the > >> descendants of the daughters would be welcome. I have very good info on > >> the > >> sons - some of whom were in the Civil War. > >> > >> 2. Sophia Tompkins - born in Greene County probably mid 1820's, married > > to > >> Jacob Hornbeck in 1844 in Prattsville, then moved to > Denning/Grahamsville > >> on > >> the border of Ulster and Sullivan County. I know there were a number of > >> Tompkins in southern Greene including several in the Lexington area. > But > > I > >> have never been able to put Sophia to a family line. Again, no records > >> of > >> marriage, christenings, etc. Just a blank wall. I do have good records > > of > >> her descendants, her husband's civil war demise and ultimately her > murder > >> at > >> the hands of her second husband - but who were her parents? > >> > >> Gary > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

agreed, and I think one should check the Tompkins in Ulster County, since Olive IS Ulster Co. Audrey ---- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > Audrey, Super kudos! > > That IS an amazing amount of genealogical information to be found in a > newspaper account. OK, not primary evidence but still AMAZING! > > Dick Hillenbrand > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Audrey Klinkenberg <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Gary, I have info... From the Saugerties Telegraph, Nov 27, 1868 > > Amanda Brodhead was found insensible on the roadside in Accord on the 15th > > with bullet holes in her heart. She died on Wednesday following... > > > > >From the Saugerties Telegraph, Dec 4, 1868 > > It was not Amanda Broadhead who was murdered, she is in Grand Rapids, > > Michigan. The person killed was Sophia Smith, whose name before marriage > > was Sophia Tompkins, born near Olive, who married twice, first to Jacob > > Hornbeck, who enlisted in the 143rd regiment and died inthe army, and > > second > > in September, 1867 to Jeremiah Smith, who murdered her. Jeremiah Smith was > > raised in Neversink. Three children living at home, aged 12, 9 and 5, two > > girls and a boy, and one daughter married and lving in Olive. > > > > Although there won't be any other genealogical information in the article, > > there may be more details about the incident. > > The newspapers are on microfilm at The Saugerties Public Library. Ask and > > ye shall receive... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary Dufel" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Rev Hedstrom plus Dunagan and Tompkins > > > > > > > Dick - > > > > > > Thanks for the tips and the interest. > > > > > > I do have a wealth of info from the newspapers - and I have it typed if > > > anyone cares for a copy. Although the murderer was known, he was never > > > captured, thus no trial. I did think of the court records for the > > various > > > activities that did take place, but everyone tells me there would be no > > > records from 1868. (By the way - murder was in Accord, Ulster County). > > > > > > Never once in all the news articles did it discuss the woman's parentage, > > > which is what I am interested in. And not only did I never run across and > > > obit from late 1868, she is known to be buried in an unmarked grave - I > > > presume in Accord. I have even spoken to someone who thought he had a > > > line > > > on the local cemetery records, but that did not pan out. > > > > > > This is what makes family history such an interesting hobby. It's the > > > chase > > > for info, when info is tough to locate. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Dick Hillenbrand > > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:42 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Rev Hedstrom plus Dunagan and Tompkins > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > The chances of finding marriage record notes of this man is near > > > impossible, > > > but the operative word is "near." > > > > > > As it turns out that he being fairly prominent and a newspaper editor, > > > there > > > "might" be some of his journals somewhere and if I were you I would not > > > rest > > > until I found them. > > > > > > Sophia, murdered? GREAT! > > > (Of course not so great for Sophia, and my apologies, but couldn't > > > resist.) > > > There will be court records of the trial, and you might get testimony > > from > > > a > > > brother or married sister, or some other type of clue. Dig through the > > > case > > > files, they are all published in the court house of record. > > > > > > There will also be newspaper accounts, and best might be a juicy estate > > > file > > > in a probate court somewhere. > > > > > > This is a straw wall that any wolf could easily blow down. \grin/ > > > > > > Dick Hillenbrand > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Gary Dufel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> I want to thank eveyone who took in interest in The Rev Hedstrom. I > > >> wasn't > > >> so much interested in his bio as I was finding records of people who he > > >> officiated at their wedding or christenings, but I do appreciate people > > >> spending some time on this task. > > >> > > >> There are two other brick walls that I have never broken down. Again > > >> with > > >> all the great advice I have been given and the efforts of some people on > > >> the > > >> Rev Hedstrom, I ask if anyone has clues to either of the following. It > > >> is > > >> not that I expect people to do my research as I sit back, I am simply > > out > > >> of > > >> ideas and can use the expertise of others to see if these walls can be > > >> knocked loose. > > >> > > >> 1. A Michael Donegan/Dunagan/Dunigan (born in Ireland about 1804) > > > probably > > >> arrived in Hunter about 1826-1827, married Elenor Underhill and they had > > >> numerous children as was the fashion of the day (Mary Ann, John, Andrew, > > >> Michael, Ellen, Lucy, William, Martha, Julia Theresa, and possibly one > > >> older > > >> daughter from the 1820's who never got listed by name in the census). > > In > > >> about 1848 they moved to Ulster County - Town of Olive. My main quest > > is > > >> to > > >> get any info on the background of Michael Donegan "from Ireland". I > > have > > >> found no records of any kind in Hunter for he or his family. No church > > >> records, no marriage, christenings, land - if it wasn't for census > > >> records > > >> I > > >> would wonder if he existed. So any ideas to get a line on Michael or on > > >> the > > >> descendants of the daughters would be welcome. I have very good info on > > >> the > > >> sons - some of whom were in the Civil War. > > >> > > >> 2. Sophia Tompkins - born in Greene County probably mid 1820's, married > > > to > > >> Jacob Hornbeck in 1844 in Prattsville, then moved to > > Denning/Grahamsville > > >> on > > >> the border of Ulster and Sullivan County. I know there were a number of > > >> Tompkins in southern Greene including several in the Lexington area. > > But > > > I > > >> have never been able to put Sophia to a family line. Again, no records > > >> of > > >> marriage, christenings, etc. Just a blank wall. I do have good records > > > of > > >> her descendants, her husband's civil war demise and ultimately her > > murder > > >> at > > >> the hands of her second husband - but who were her parents? > > >> > > >> Gary > > >> [email protected] > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

agreed, and I think one should check the Tompkins in Ulster County, since Olive IS Ulster Co. Audrey ---- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > Audrey, Super kudos! > > That IS an amazing amount of genealogical information to be found in a > newspaper account. OK, not primary evidence but still AMAZING! > > Dick Hillenbrand > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Audrey Klinkenberg <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Gary, I have info... From the Saugerties Telegraph, Nov 27, 1868 > > Amanda Brodhead was found insensible on the roadside in Accord on the 15th > > with bullet holes in her heart. She died on Wednesday following... > > > > >From the Saugerties Telegraph, Dec 4, 1868 > > It was not Amanda Broadhead who was murdered, she is in Grand Rapids, > > Michigan. The person killed was Sophia Smith, whose name before marriage > > was Sophia Tompkins, born near Olive, who married twice, first to Jacob > > Hornbeck, who enlisted in the 143rd regiment and died inthe army, and > > second > > in September, 1867 to Jeremiah Smith, who murdered her. Jeremiah Smith was > > raised in Neversink. Three children living at home, aged 12, 9 and 5, two > > girls and a boy, and one daughter married and lving in Olive. > > > > Although there won't be any other genealogical information in the article, > > there may be more details about the incident. > > The newspapers are on microfilm at The Saugerties Public Library. Ask and > > ye shall receive... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary Dufel" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Rev Hedstrom plus Dunagan and Tompkins > > > > > > > Dick - > > > > > > Thanks for the tips and the interest. > > > > > > I do have a wealth of info from the newspapers - and I have it typed if > > > anyone cares for a copy. Although the murderer was known, he was never > > > captured, thus no trial. I did think of the court records for the > > various > > > activities that did take place, but everyone tells me there would be no > > > records from 1868. (By the way - murder was in Accord, Ulster County). > > > > > > Never once in all the news articles did it discuss the woman's parentage, > > > which is what I am interested in. And not only did I never run across and > > > obit from late 1868, she is known to be buried in an unmarked grave - I > > > presume in Accord. I have even spoken to someone who thought he had a > > > line > > > on the local cemetery records, but that did not pan out. > > > > > > This is what makes family history such an interesting hobby. It's the > > > chase > > > for info, when info is tough to locate. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Dick Hillenbrand > > > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:42 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Rev Hedstrom plus Dunagan and Tompkins > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > The chances of finding marriage record notes of this man is near > > > impossible, > > > but the operative word is "near." > > > > > > As it turns out that he being fairly prominent and a newspaper editor, > > > there > > > "might" be some of his journals somewhere and if I were you I would not > > > rest > > > until I found them. > > > > > > Sophia, murdered? GREAT! > > > (Of course not so great for Sophia, and my apologies, but couldn't > > > resist.) > > > There will be court records of the trial, and you might get testimony > > from > > > a > > > brother or married sister, or some other type of clue. Dig through the > > > case > > > files, they are all published in the court house of record. > > > > > > There will also be newspaper accounts, and best might be a juicy estate > > > file > > > in a probate court somewhere. > > > > > > This is a straw wall that any wolf could easily blow down. \grin/ > > > > > > Dick Hillenbrand > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Gary Dufel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> I want to thank eveyone who took in interest in The Rev Hedstrom. I > > >> wasn't > > >> so much interested in his bio as I was finding records of people who he > > >> officiated at their wedding or christenings, but I do appreciate people > > >> spending some time on this task. > > >> > > >> There are two other brick walls that I have never broken down. Again > > >> with > > >> all the great advice I have been given and the efforts of some people on > > >> the > > >> Rev Hedstrom, I ask if anyone has clues to either of the following. It > > >> is > > >> not that I expect people to do my research as I sit back, I am simply > > out > > >> of > > >> ideas and can use the expertise of others to see if these walls can be > > >> knocked loose. > > >> > > >> 1. A Michael Donegan/Dunagan/Dunigan (born in Ireland about 1804) > > > probably > > >> arrived in Hunter about 1826-1827, married Elenor Underhill and they had > > >> numerous children as was the fashion of the day (Mary Ann, John, Andrew, > > >> Michael, Ellen, Lucy, William, Martha, Julia Theresa, and possibly one > > >> older > > >> daughter from the 1820's who never got listed by name in the census). > > In > > >> about 1848 they moved to Ulster County - Town of Olive. My main quest > > is > > >> to > > >> get any info on the background of Michael Donegan "from Ireland". I > > have > > >> found no records of any kind in Hunter for he or his family. No church > > >> records, no marriage, christenings, land - if it wasn't for census > > >> records > > >> I > > >> would wonder if he existed. So any ideas to get a line on Michael or on > > >> the > > >> descendants of the daughters would be welcome. I have very good info on > > >> the > > >> sons - some of whom were in the Civil War. > > >> > > >> 2. Sophia Tompkins - born in Greene County probably mid 1820's, married > > > to > > >> Jacob Hornbeck in 1844 in Prattsville, then moved to > > Denning/Grahamsville > > >> on > > >> the border of Ulster and Sullivan County. I know there were a number of > > >> Tompkins in southern Greene including several in the Lexington area. > > But > > > I > > >> have never been able to put Sophia to a family line. Again, no records > > >> of > > >> marriage, christenings, etc. Just a blank wall. I do have good records > > > of > > >> her descendants, her husband's civil war demise and ultimately her > > murder > > >> at > > >> the hands of her second husband - but who were her parents? > > >> > > >> Gary > > >> [email protected] > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message