Something to note is that both Charles E. and Etta list themselves as married in the 1880 census, although there is no spouse in their respective listings. You report Charles E married Deborah Layman--what was the date of that marriage? Mazeppa Brewer's marriage to Etta Haines was reported in the press as "Married, . . .in P r a t t s v i l l e , J u ly 8th . by t h e Rev. W i l l i am Greene. .M. T . Brewer and Mrs. Ettie Haines , both of Hunter." Was there a male sibling to Charles E who died before 1883? -----Original Message----- From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dippy1951@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 7:43 AM To: nygreene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Etta Haines I have been checking on the Charles E Haines angle, but still can't come to a conclusion. I've done quite a bit of research on him, as his sister Elisabeth b. 1828 was my GGGrandmother. The wife "Dame" listed in the 1880 census was Diadema Webster. I've been able to locate 3 children but there may be more. They were Martha b. 1851, George Washington b. 1854, and Charles Edgar b. 1857. Another possible child was Edward b. 1869 but I can't verify that. George married Nellie Layman, and Charles married Deborah Layman who was probably her sister. I suspect there could have been another son that I haven't found yet who was Alice's father. From what I found about 10 members of this Haines family, Charles Sr's parents, siblings, etc, all died in a 6 or 7 year period so quite a few Haines households had grandchildren, nieces and nephews living with them. I'll continue trying to connect Alice Jones to Etta, as she sounds like the only connection that could tie this all up. In a message dated 4/6/2011 9:08:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stegnor@comcast.net writes: One possible answer is Charles E. Haines. In the 1880 census, he was living with his parents,Charles and Dame (spelled variously, but this is the 1880 census spelling) in Hunter. Living with them was Alice Haines, age 5, described as the senior Charles Haines' granddaughter. Nobody else was in the household. Ettie Haines and Mazeppa Brewer had 2 daughters: Esther Elberta Brewer b 22 June 1884 and Ida Brewer, born 3 Dec 1885. Esther married married Frederick Egnor. Ida married George Mower. Per the Fulton Postcard site, in January 1948, Schenectady Gazette reported death of Alice May Jones, born Haines Falls, Feb 5, 1876. Survivors included two half-sisters, Mrs. Ida Mower, Newburgh, and Mrs. Frederick Egnor, Catskill. I believe this Alice Haines is Ettie Haines daughter. While it appears she was also Charles and Dame Haines granddaughter, it's not clear that Charles E. Haines, the younger, was her father. I would appreciate comments. I went looking for an Alice Haines, and found one, and only one in the approximate right place and time. Without more,however, I can't be positive a) this Alice is the woman who became Alice May Jones (who, with her husband of 7 years, was living in Hunter in the 1900 census). Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dippy1951@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:09 PM To: nygreene@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYGREENE] Etta Haines Here's a brain teaser Sue Egnor and I worked on last month. In the 1880 census, Etta Haines was listed as 20yrs. old, married, and working as a servant in the home of Catherine Rickerson in Cairo. On July 8, 1883, "Mrs. Ettie Haines" was married to Mazeppa Brewer in Windham. Through some great detective work, Sue was able to determine that Etta was Esther Whittaker, daughter of Francis and Margaret Whittaker of Catskill. We're still trying to find out who the Haines was that Esther was married to. He was probably born 1855-1860, married about 1879 or 1880, and died about 1881 or so. Does any of this ring a bell to anyone? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been checking on the Charles E Haines angle, but still can't come to a conclusion. I've done quite a bit of research on him, as his sister Elisabeth b. 1828 was my GGGrandmother. The wife "Dame" listed in the 1880 census was Diadema Webster. I've been able to locate 3 children but there may be more. They were Martha b. 1851, George Washington b. 1854, and Charles Edgar b. 1857. Another possible child was Edward b. 1869 but I can't verify that. George married Nellie Layman, and Charles married Deborah Layman who was probably her sister. I suspect there could have been another son that I haven't found yet who was Alice's father. From what I found about 10 members of this Haines family, Charles Sr's parents, siblings, etc, all died in a 6 or 7 year period so quite a few Haines households had grandchildren, nieces and nephews living with them. I'll continue trying to connect Alice Jones to Etta, as she sounds like the only connection that could tie this all up. In a message dated 4/6/2011 9:08:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stegnor@comcast.net writes: One possible answer is Charles E. Haines. In the 1880 census, he was living with his parents,Charles and Dame (spelled variously, but this is the 1880 census spelling) in Hunter. Living with them was Alice Haines, age 5, described as the senior Charles Haines' granddaughter. Nobody else was in the household. Ettie Haines and Mazeppa Brewer had 2 daughters: Esther Elberta Brewer b 22 June 1884 and Ida Brewer, born 3 Dec 1885. Esther married married Frederick Egnor. Ida married George Mower. Per the Fulton Postcard site, in January 1948, Schenectady Gazette reported death of Alice May Jones, born Haines Falls, Feb 5, 1876. Survivors included two half-sisters, Mrs. Ida Mower, Newburgh, and Mrs. Frederick Egnor, Catskill. I believe this Alice Haines is Ettie Haines daughter. While it appears she was also Charles and Dame Haines granddaughter, it's not clear that Charles E. Haines, the younger, was her father. I would appreciate comments. I went looking for an Alice Haines, and found one, and only one in the approximate right place and time. Without more,however, I can't be positive a) this Alice is the woman who became Alice May Jones (who, with her husband of 7 years, was living in Hunter in the 1900 census). Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dippy1951@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:09 PM To: nygreene@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYGREENE] Etta Haines Here's a brain teaser Sue Egnor and I worked on last month. In the 1880 census, Etta Haines was listed as 20yrs. old, married, and working as a servant in the home of Catherine Rickerson in Cairo. On July 8, 1883, "Mrs. Ettie Haines" was married to Mazeppa Brewer in Windham. Through some great detective work, Sue was able to determine that Etta was Esther Whittaker, daughter of Francis and Margaret Whittaker of Catskill. We're still trying to find out who the Haines was that Esther was married to. He was probably born 1855-1860, married about 1879 or 1880, and died about 1881 or so. Does any of this ring a bell to anyone? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joan - wanted to let you know that I got your packet - much appreciated!! Sylvia

One possible answer is Charles E. Haines. In the 1880 census, he was living with his parents,Charles and Dame (spelled variously, but this is the 1880 census spelling) in Hunter. Living with them was Alice Haines, age 5, described as the senior Charles Haines' granddaughter. Nobody else was in the household. Ettie Haines and Mazeppa Brewer had 2 daughters: Esther Elberta Brewer b 22 June 1884 and Ida Brewer, born 3 Dec 1885. Esther married married Frederick Egnor. Ida married George Mower. Per the Fulton Postcard site, in January 1948, Schenectady Gazette reported death of Alice May Jones, born Haines Falls, Feb 5, 1876. Survivors included two half-sisters, Mrs. Ida Mower, Newburgh, and Mrs. Frederick Egnor, Catskill. I believe this Alice Haines is Ettie Haines daughter. While it appears she was also Charles and Dame Haines granddaughter, it's not clear that Charles E. Haines, the younger, was her father. I would appreciate comments. I went looking for an Alice Haines, and found one, and only one in the approximate right place and time. Without more,however, I can't be positive a) this Alice is the woman who became Alice May Jones (who, with her husband of 7 years, was living in Hunter in the 1900 census). Thanks, -----Original Message----- From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dippy1951@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:09 PM To: nygreene@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYGREENE] Etta Haines Here's a brain teaser Sue Egnor and I worked on last month. In the 1880 census, Etta Haines was listed as 20yrs. old, married, and working as a servant in the home of Catherine Rickerson in Cairo. On July 8, 1883, "Mrs. Ettie Haines" was married to Mazeppa Brewer in Windham. Through some great detective work, Sue was able to determine that Etta was Esther Whittaker, daughter of Francis and Margaret Whittaker of Catskill. We're still trying to find out who the Haines was that Esther was married to. He was probably born 1855-1860, married about 1879 or 1880, and died about 1881 or so. Does any of this ring a bell to anyone? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

J Niclaus Trombauer was the original Palatine German immigrant to the Hudson Valley in 1710 and he had a few descendants also named Nicholas. A Trumpbour database lists 3 in the mid-late 1700's: Trumpbour, Nicholas b: 26 FEB 1741 Saugerties, NY d: 8 NOV 1815 Saugerties, NY Trumpbour, Nicholas b: 23 NOV 1782 d: 13 SEP 1833 Catskill, NY Trumpbour, Nicolas b: 8 APR 1761 Saugerties, NY d: 8 NOV 1815 see http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=trumpbournynj The Jacob Trombauer who md. Jane Kiersted 9 Jul 1800 at Katsbaan Ref. Ch. was baptized 14 Apr 1778 at Katsbaan the son of Jacob & Margriet Dederich. Jane was baptized Jannetje 25 Apr 1778 at Katsbaan dau. of Christophel & Lea Duboys. Jim ________________________________ From: J. Williams <jpwilliams@nycap.rr.com> To: nygreene@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 10:31:43 AM Subject: [NYGREENE] Roll call! Trumpbour Roll call for Trumpbour Anyone out there researching Nicholas Trumpbour or other Trumpbours? - I'm trying to find out more information about Nicholas Trumpbour - who was most probably born in Dutchess County before 1760 and Jacob Trumpbour who was born in Saugerties 1778-1779 and married Jane Kiersted. Nicholas may have lived in Greene County (Catskill) at one time. Looking for children of Jacob and marriage and children of Nicholas. Suspect that Nicholas supported the British in the Revolutionary War. Jacob Trumpbour was a "map maker" and surveyor and I understand that he surveyed land for the making of the Erie Canal. Thanks! ~ J ______________________________ J.M. Williams, Consultant PO Box 222 Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 Voice: 518.225.1310 email: jpwilliams@nycap.rr.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Rootsweb World Connect there is: Jane Catharine Trumpbour •Birth: 1814 in Ulster County, NY •Death: 1873 in Ulster County, NY Father: Jacob Trumpbour b: ABT 14 APR 1779 in Ulster County, NY Mother: Jannetje (Jane) Kierstede b: 7 APR 1778 in Saugerties, Ulster, NY Marriage 1 Henry (Van Beuren) Van Buren b: 27 MAY 1812 in Ulster County, NY •Married: 5 MAR 1833 in Kingston, Ulster, NY Reformed Dutch Church Children 1. Cornelius Van Buren b: 1836 in Kingston, Ulster, NY 2. Alonzo P. Van Buren b: 1838 in Kingston, Ulster, NY 3. William T. Van Buren b: 22 OCT 1841 in Kingston, Ulster, NY 4. Irvin P. Van Buren b: 1844 in Kingston, Ulster, NY 5. Helen M. Van Buren b: 1846 in Kingston, Ulster, NY 6. Matthew Van Buren b: 1850 in Kingston, Ulster, NY 7. Emma Van Buren b: 1853 in Kingston, Ulster, NY Ken In a message dated 4/6/2011 10:41:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jpwilliams@nycap.rr.com writes: Roll call for Trumpbour Anyone out there researching Nicholas Trumpbour or other Trumpbours? - I'm trying to find out more information about Nicholas Trumpbour - who was most probably born in Dutchess County before 1760 and Jacob Trumpbour who was born in Saugerties 1778-1779 and married Jane Kiersted. Nicholas may have lived in Greene County (Catskill) at one time. Looking for children of Jacob and marriage and children of Nicholas. Suspect that Nicholas supported the British in the Revolutionary War. Jacob Trumpbour was a "map maker" and surveyor and I understand that he surveyed land for the making of the Erie Canal. Thanks! ~ J ______________________________ J.M. Williams, Consultant PO Box 222 Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 Voice: 518.225.1310 email: jpwilliams@nycap.rr.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you google this - "nicholas tremper" Greene County NY (include the quotes around Nicholas Tremper) you get a few interesting hits - I have no donkey in this race and don't know the family but I know Tremper is an old name from Greene County - and I can see how the two words could be mixed given the way people could or couldn't spell back then. A sample of some of this things I got with this search - NON MOHAWK VALLEY PENSIONERS This collection contains papers of several Greene County residents, including ... Nicholas Tremper and others), Frederick Dederick, Benjamin DuBois, and Frederick ... [ www nysl nysed gov ] On Apr 6, 2011, at 10:31 AM, J. Williams wrote: > > > Roll call for Trumpbour > > Anyone out there researching Nicholas Trumpbour or other Trumpbours? - I'm > trying to find out more information about Nicholas Trumpbour - who was most > probably born in Dutchess County before 1760 and Jacob Trumpbour who was > born in Saugerties 1778-1779 and married Jane Kiersted. Nicholas may have > lived in Greene County (Catskill) at one time. Looking for children of Jacob > and marriage and children of Nicholas. Suspect that Nicholas supported the > British in the Revolutionary War. Jacob Trumpbour was a "map maker" and > surveyor and I understand that he surveyed land for the making of the Erie > Canal. Thanks! ~ J > > > > > > ______________________________ > > J.M. Williams, Consultant > > PO Box 222 Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 > > Voice: 518.225.1310 > > email: jpwilliams@nycap.rr.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The library has 3 boxes of documents: Scope and Content Note: This collection contains papers of several Greene County residents, including Abraham Van Vechten (1762-1837), Jacob Van Orden (1788-1833), and Jacob J. Ten Broeck (1773-1833), who were connected through both family relationships and business interests. It is not known when or by whom these papers were brought together. However, the leading candidates would seem to be Jacob Van Orden's son, William H. (1816-1894), and William's son, Philip V. (born 1841), who are represented in the collection with some fairly late documents. Despite the fact that these papers were preserved separately from other collections of Van Vechten and Van Orden papers and came to the New York State Library from a source different from the others, they should not be considered as independent of them. The principal divisions of this collection are as follows: Van Vechten Papers. There are two groups of these. The larger one comes from Abraham Van Vechten and represents his varied career as lawyer, State Attorney General, landowner and storekeeper. It includes papers relating to his sons, to his brother and business partner, Teunis T. (1749-1817), to his father Teunis (1707-1785), and to Teunis's uncle, Samuel (1673-1741). Of particular interest are the Mohawk Valley land dealings of the family and the rather poignant correspondence between Abraham and his son-in-law Walter Van Veghten (1779-1860) concerning Walter's business failures and marital problems. The smaller second group of papers is a miscellaneous lot which concerns the family of Abraham's brother, Samuel, especially his sons, John (1785-1879) and Peter (1794-1854), and John's son, Samuel J. (1813-1852). Van Orden Papers. Included are papers of Jacob Van Orden and his great-grandfather, William (ca. 1695-1765), mostly concerning the family's holdings in the Loveridge Patent south of Catskill. William's wife was Temperance Loveridge (ca. 1701-1774), who bequeathed her inheritance to her children and grandchildren (among whom were the frequently mentioned DeMonts). Ten Broeck Papers. These concern several properties: The Wessel Ten Broeck Patent near Catskill, a portion of which was inherited by Jacob J. Ten Broeck. The East Camp Patent near Germantown, several lots of which were bought up by speculators and eventually acquired by Mrs. Abraham (Maria) Delamatter, cousin of Jacob J. Ten Broeck and stepmother of his wife Catharine. Various properties, chiefly in Albany, acquired by John H. Roseboom (1726-ca.1788) from several relatives and bequeathed to his sister, Gerritje (born 1738), mother of Jacob J. Ten Broeck. Papers whose provenance is uncertain are arranged at the end of the collection. For instance, three Schuyler documents are there since they may relate to either Abraham Van Vechten or Jacob Van Orden, both of whom married Schuylers. Some papers of Nancy McGregor are also there, although it should be noted that in her will filed at the Greene County Court House she appointed "my friend Philip V. Van Orden" as executor. Information concerning familial relationships has been added to the guide in order to provide insight into some of the transactions. The principal sources consulted were The Van Vechten Genealogy, by James Brown Van Vechten (Detroit, 1954); my article "One Branch of the Van Order/Van Orden Family of Catskill" in the January 1978 issue of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record; The Ten Broeck Genealogy, compiled by Emma T.B. Runk (New York, 1897), and the guides to the library's other collections of Van Vechten and Van Orden papers. Information concerning other families represented in the collection was taken from numerous sources in the library's genealogy and local history collections. The map and land patent holdings of the State Library and the State Archives have been consulted, as well as land and probate records at the Greene County Court House. The part that mentions a Nicholas Tremper is described as follows: The reference to a Nicholas Tremper is in Part 2 Section 3 The Van Orden Family starting with Papers relating to the Lane family, descendants of William Loveridge, concerning land in the Loveridge Patent Lane, Aurie. Release to Hannah, his daughter, and Elizabeth, daughter of his brother, William, for land at Catskill inherited from Hannah (Aurie's mother) Loveridge, wife of Gysbert Lane, deceased; September 7, 1780. (Hannah Loveridge was the daughter of William and Temperance) Middleworth, John V., Gilbert Lane, and Elizabeth Lane. Deed to Benjamin and William Van Orden for the Nine Chain lot in Great Lot 2, the Loveridge Patent, November 5, 1796. Lot 2 is bordered by the Bolleburgh (?) and land of Michael Van Vechten (now Nicholas Tremper and others), Frederick Dederick, Benjamin DuBois, and Frederick Smith. (Benjamin, son of John, and William, son of Ignatius, were grandsons of William and Temperance Van Orden) Middlesworth, John V., and Hannah, his wife. Release to Benjamin and William Van Orden of the Nine Chain lot, January 24, 1797. (Hannah was the sister of Aurie (Arie) and William Lane.) On Apr 6, 2011, at 10:31 AM, J. Williams wrote: > > > Roll call for Trumpbour > > Anyone out there researching Nicholas Trumpbour or other Trumpbours? - I'm > trying to find out more information about Nicholas Trumpbour - who was most > probably born in Dutchess County before 1760 and Jacob Trumpbour who was > born in Saugerties 1778-1779 and married Jane Kiersted. Nicholas may have > lived in Greene County (Catskill) at one time. Looking for children of Jacob > and marriage and children of Nicholas. Suspect that Nicholas supported the > British in the Revolutionary War. Jacob Trumpbour was a "map maker" and > surveyor and I understand that he surveyed land for the making of the Erie > Canal. Thanks! ~ J > > > > > > ______________________________ > > J.M. Williams, Consultant > > PO Box 222 Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 > > Voice: 518.225.1310 > > email: jpwilliams@nycap.rr.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A Nicholas Tremper is mentioned in the Abraham VanVechten Legal Papers 1686-1867 SC16906 of teh NYS Library Manuscripts and Special Collections there is info on line I will send you the link. Mark On Apr 6, 2011, at 10:31 AM, J. Williams wrote: > > > Roll call for Trumpbour > > Anyone out there researching Nicholas Trumpbour or other Trumpbours? - I'm > trying to find out more information about Nicholas Trumpbour - who was most > probably born in Dutchess County before 1760 and Jacob Trumpbour who was > born in Saugerties 1778-1779 and married Jane Kiersted. Nicholas may have > lived in Greene County (Catskill) at one time. Looking for children of Jacob > and marriage and children of Nicholas. Suspect that Nicholas supported the > British in the Revolutionary War. Jacob Trumpbour was a "map maker" and > surveyor and I understand that he surveyed land for the making of the Erie > Canal. Thanks! ~ J > > > > > > ______________________________ > > J.M. Williams, Consultant > > PO Box 222 Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 > > Voice: 518.225.1310 > > email: jpwilliams@nycap.rr.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI - I'm wondering if perhaps Trumpbour could be a variation of the name Tremper - as in Tremper Mountain. Does anyone else on the list comment on this - perhaps that might be a good place for J to begin. Mark On Apr 6, 2011, at 10:31 AM, J. Williams wrote: > > > Roll call for Trumpbour > > Anyone out there researching Nicholas Trumpbour or other Trumpbours? - I'm > trying to find out more information about Nicholas Trumpbour - who was most > probably born in Dutchess County before 1760 and Jacob Trumpbour who was > born in Saugerties 1778-1779 and married Jane Kiersted. Nicholas may have > lived in Greene County (Catskill) at one time. Looking for children of Jacob > and marriage and children of Nicholas. Suspect that Nicholas supported the > British in the Revolutionary War. Jacob Trumpbour was a "map maker" and > surveyor and I understand that he surveyed land for the making of the Erie > Canal. Thanks! ~ J > > > > > > ______________________________ > > J.M. Williams, Consultant > > PO Box 222 Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 > > Voice: 518.225.1310 > > email: jpwilliams@nycap.rr.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roll call for Trumpbour Anyone out there researching Nicholas Trumpbour or other Trumpbours? - I'm trying to find out more information about Nicholas Trumpbour - who was most probably born in Dutchess County before 1760 and Jacob Trumpbour who was born in Saugerties 1778-1779 and married Jane Kiersted. Nicholas may have lived in Greene County (Catskill) at one time. Looking for children of Jacob and marriage and children of Nicholas. Suspect that Nicholas supported the British in the Revolutionary War. Jacob Trumpbour was a "map maker" and surveyor and I understand that he surveyed land for the making of the Erie Canal. Thanks! ~ J ______________________________ J.M. Williams, Consultant PO Box 222 Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 Voice: 518.225.1310 email: jpwilliams@nycap.rr.com

She's on the list.... ~ Ron W ~ In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond W Smith" <rayws@frontiernet.net> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 4:44 PM Subject: [NYGREENE] Ann Campbell >I would like to contact Ann, but the e-mail address: anncamp@linkny.com > does not work (at least for me) > > This is in regard to one of our common links through the Brandow family. > Ann, if you wish to contact me off the common site use > rayws@frontiernet.net > Thanks > Ray Smith > President, > Long Lake Historical Society > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to contact Ann, but the e-mail address: anncamp@linkny.com does not work (at least for me) This is in regard to one of our common links through the Brandow family. Ann, if you wish to contact me off the common site use rayws@frontiernet.net Thanks Ray Smith President, Long Lake Historical Society

Great, Sylvia, really look forward to it. Susan Egnor -----Original Message----- From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Hasenkopf Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 5:51 AM To: nygreene@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYGREENE] Next upload Hi folks - I am working on the next upload for the website - will go live sometime this month. Very cool material: Poor House intake records 1910-1913 Town of Lexington vital records 1848 Village of Catskill Minutes 1814-1822 Tax Assessments Catskill 1803, Windham 1803, Freehold 1803, Coxsackie 1803, Greenfield 1803 Deeds Family Bibles Obituaries and much more! Sylvia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks - I am working on the next upload for the website - will go live sometime this month. Very cool material: Poor House intake records 1910-1913 Town of Lexington vital records 1848 Village of Catskill Minutes 1814-1822 Tax Assessments Catskill 1803, Windham 1803, Freehold 1803, Coxsackie 1803, Greenfield 1803 Deeds Family Bibles Obituaries and much more! Sylvia

Exactly = thanks Agnes! Sylvia -------------------------------------------------- From: "Agnes Beauchamp" <deuxbeaus@chartertn.net> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:37 AM To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Roll call! > > I did not dig deeply into this data on Isaac Van Loan, as he and his wife > are a side branch of my Dies family. As for Pelletreau, I think I remember > reading a statement (incorrect) he made that there were no male > descendants > of the Dies family. Where, I wondered, did I come from? But in all > fairness, > he would not have had any knowledge of my branch who moved back to Canada > in > 1817. They had evacuated NY City with the British in 1783 and spent time > in > Quebec until the 1790s when they returned to Schoharie Co. > > There is a discrepancy in the Isaac Van Loan (s/o Petrus VL and Dirkje > Visscher or Degarma) DOB: De Boer has it as 1768. He says that this Isaac > married Jane Dies, d/o Matthew Dies and Evva Van Loan. The Albany Protocol > has it as 25 Jan 1757, but does not follow him further. So there you are. > A > quandary. > > Agnes > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sylvia Hasenkopf > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:03 PM > To: nygreene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Roll call! > > Agnes, I have found Isaac Van Loan's tombstone in the Catskill Village > cemetery. It states that he died 14 Nov 1840 aged 72 yrs. That would put > his > > date of birth abt 1768. Isaac Van Loan who married Jane Diel (I am now > thinking likely Tiel is her maiden name) was born 25 Jan 1759, baptised at > the Athens Zion Lutheran Church in 1759. It appears these are completely > two > > different Isaacs. > > Sylvia > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Agnes Beauchamp" <deuxbeaus@chartertn.net> > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:53 AM > To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Roll call! > >> >> Pelletreau - Genealogical & Family History of NY: >> 1. William Whitmore Van Loan, b. 16 June 1792. >> 2. Matthew Dies Van Loan, b. 28 Sep 1794. Probably named for his maternal >> grandfather. >> >> Agnes >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Sylvia Hasenkopf >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:46 PM >> To: nygreene@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Roll call! >> >> The Linlithgo RDC in Columbia Co has a baptism for William Whitmore Van >> Loan, son of Isaac Van Loan and Jane Diel. William is born June 16, 1792 >> and >> >> was baptised July 15, 1792. >> >> Is this Jane Diel the same as Jane Dies? >> >> Isaac Van Loan and Jane Dies had son Matthew Dies Van Loan, born abt >> 1792. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Sylvia >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Agnes Beauchamp" <deuxbeaus@chartertn.net> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:28 PM >> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Roll call! >> >>> >>> I have seen him as the son of Petrus Van Loon and Dirckje deGarma(Albany >>> Protocol). De Boer gives her name as Dirkje Visscher. >>> Agnes Dies Beauchamp >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Sylvia Hasenkopf >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 2:46 PM >>> To: nygreene@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [NYGREENE] Roll call! >>> >>> Wow, it has been super quiet on the list the last while - I can't >>> imagine >>> that everyone has discovered all the answers to their genealogical >>> questions! >>> >>> I'll start off - does anyone know who the parents were of Isaac Van Loan >>> who >>> married Jane Dies? He was a sloop captain on the Hudson River in the >>> very >>> early years of the 19th century. >>> >>> Sylvia >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did not dig deeply into this data on Isaac Van Loan, as he and his wife are a side branch of my Dies family. As for Pelletreau, I think I remember reading a statement (incorrect) he made that there were no male descendants of the Dies family. Where, I wondered, did I come from? But in all fairness, he would not have had any knowledge of my branch who moved back to Canada in 1817. They had evacuated NY City with the British in 1783 and spent time in Quebec until the 1790s when they returned to Schoharie Co. There is a discrepancy in the Isaac Van Loan (s/o Petrus VL and Dirkje Visscher or Degarma) DOB: De Boer has it as 1768. He says that this Isaac married Jane Dies, d/o Matthew Dies and Evva Van Loan. The Albany Protocol has it as 25 Jan 1757, but does not follow him further. So there you are. A quandary. Agnes -----Original Message----- From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Hasenkopf Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:03 PM To: nygreene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Roll call! Agnes, I have found Isaac Van Loan's tombstone in the Catskill Village cemetery. It states that he died 14 Nov 1840 aged 72 yrs. That would put his date of birth abt 1768. Isaac Van Loan who married Jane Diel (I am now thinking likely Tiel is her maiden name) was born 25 Jan 1759, baptised at the Athens Zion Lutheran Church in 1759. It appears these are completely two different Isaacs. Sylvia -------------------------------------------------- From: "Agnes Beauchamp" <deuxbeaus@chartertn.net> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:53 AM To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Roll call! > > Pelletreau - Genealogical & Family History of NY: > 1. William Whitmore Van Loan, b. 16 June 1792. > 2. Matthew Dies Van Loan, b. 28 Sep 1794. Probably named for his maternal > grandfather. > > Agnes > > -----Original Message----- > From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sylvia Hasenkopf > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:46 PM > To: nygreene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Roll call! > > The Linlithgo RDC in Columbia Co has a baptism for William Whitmore Van > Loan, son of Isaac Van Loan and Jane Diel. William is born June 16, 1792 > and > > was baptised July 15, 1792. > > Is this Jane Diel the same as Jane Dies? > > Isaac Van Loan and Jane Dies had son Matthew Dies Van Loan, born abt 1792. > > Any thoughts? > > Sylvia > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Agnes Beauchamp" <deuxbeaus@chartertn.net> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:28 PM > To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Roll call! > >> >> I have seen him as the son of Petrus Van Loon and Dirckje deGarma(Albany >> Protocol). De Boer gives her name as Dirkje Visscher. >> Agnes Dies Beauchamp >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:nygreene-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Sylvia Hasenkopf >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 2:46 PM >> To: nygreene@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [NYGREENE] Roll call! >> >> Wow, it has been super quiet on the list the last while - I can't imagine >> that everyone has discovered all the answers to their genealogical >> questions! >> >> I'll start off - does anyone know who the parents were of Isaac Van Loan >> who >> married Jane Dies? He was a sloop captain on the Hudson River in the very >> early years of the 19th century. >> >> Sylvia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Jim. This gives me something to work on. I live in Colorado and it is more difficult doing things from a distance and knowing just where to start looking. I found so many Middaughs and I had no idea where they started from. Appreciate it. Pat In a message dated 3/31/2011 8:39:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jaharder88@yahoo.com writes: Pat, Joshua Lane 56 farmer, with Dolly [Polly] 46, James 19, Eliza J. 17, Mary 15, Ede C. 12, Joseph 9 are in Lexington in the 1855 NY census, which shows that all were born in Ulster County and had lived in Greene for only 6 years. I found Joshua Lane in Olive in 1830 which shows a male in his 30's, another in his 70's and 2 females in their 30's and no children. This matches your Joshua's family before the birth of their children. Also in Olive is a Jacobus Middagh in his 40's, with a wife in her 30's and 7 children (0110001-121101). Joshua & Polly name their eldest son James, the equivalent of Jacobus. The Descendants of Anthonis Gherits Middach by Jack Middaugh (1998 UCGS), has only one Jacobus born in the 1780's, the son of Joris & Susanna Beatty bapt. 17 Oct 1784, Marbletown Ref. Church records (Worden 1987). The book has no further info on Jacobus. Jacob Middag & Elizabeth Wispel baptized a daughter Maria 16 Sep 1804 (born 25 Jul 1804) at the Shokan Ref. Church in Olive. The Middagh book says this Jacob was a brother to Jacobus baptized 14 Jun 1778, also at Marbletown. Jacob & Elizabeth baptized 4 daughters at Shokan: Catrina Rosa 1802, Maria 1804, Antje 1808, and Sally Hunt 1810. I don't see brother Jacobus in the churchbook, so maybe this Jacob and the Jacobus in the census are the same guy. You need more information to figure out if the 1804 girl is your Polly and if her father is Jacob or Jacobus. Jim ________________________________ From: "pcf31726@aol.com" <pcf31726@aol.com> To: nygreene@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 11:22:56 AM Subject: [NYGREENE] roll call I am looking for the parents of Mary (Polly) Meddaugh (sp?)b. about 1800, wife of Joshua Lane and mother of John Lane who was the father of my grandmother Elma Lane. Looking for any information on the Meddaugh family. Seems there were a lot of them in that area. Pat French ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's a brain teaser Sue Egnor and I worked on last month. In the 1880 census, Etta Haines was listed as 20yrs. old, married, and working as a servant in the home of Catherine Rickerson in Cairo. On July 8, 1883, "Mrs. Ettie Haines" was married to Mazeppa Brewer in Windham. Through some great detective work, Sue was able to determine that Etta was Esther Whittaker, daughter of Francis and Margaret Whittaker of Catskill. We're still trying to find out who the Haines was that Esther was married to. He was probably born 1855-1860, married about 1879 or 1880, and died about 1881 or so. Does any of this ring a bell to anyone?

Pat, Joshua Lane 56 farmer, with Dolly [Polly] 46, James 19, Eliza J. 17, Mary 15, Ede C. 12, Joseph 9 are in Lexington in the 1855 NY census, which shows that all were born in Ulster County and had lived in Greene for only 6 years. I found Joshua Lane in Olive in 1830 which shows a male in his 30's, another in his 70's and 2 females in their 30's and no children. This matches your Joshua's family before the birth of their children. Also in Olive is a Jacobus Middagh in his 40's, with a wife in her 30's and 7 children (0110001-121101). Joshua & Polly name their eldest son James, the equivalent of Jacobus. The Descendants of Anthonis Gherits Middach by Jack Middaugh (1998 UCGS), has only one Jacobus born in the 1780's, the son of Joris & Susanna Beatty bapt. 17 Oct 1784, Marbletown Ref. Church records (Worden 1987). The book has no further info on Jacobus. Jacob Middag & Elizabeth Wispel baptized a daughter Maria 16 Sep 1804 (born 25 Jul 1804) at the Shokan Ref. Church in Olive. The Middagh book says this Jacob was a brother to Jacobus baptized 14 Jun 1778, also at Marbletown. Jacob & Elizabeth baptized 4 daughters at Shokan: Catrina Rosa 1802, Maria 1804, Antje 1808, and Sally Hunt 1810. I don't see brother Jacobus in the churchbook, so maybe this Jacob and the Jacobus in the census are the same guy. You need more information to figure out if the 1804 girl is your Polly and if her father is Jacob or Jacobus. Jim ________________________________ From: "pcf31726@aol.com" <pcf31726@aol.com> To: nygreene@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 11:22:56 AM Subject: [NYGREENE] roll call I am looking for the parents of Mary (Polly) Meddaugh (sp?)b. about 1800, wife of Joshua Lane and mother of John Lane who was the father of my grandmother Elma Lane. Looking for any information on the Meddaugh family. Seems there were a lot of them in that area. Pat French ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message