Soon Cindy - working on it still. -------------------------------------------------- From: <SHINDEI2@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:53 PM To: <NYGREENE@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYGREENE] New Info > > Hi Sylvia > I was wondering about when the next upload will take place? > Thanks > Cindy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sylvia I was wondering about when the next upload will take place? Thanks Cindy

Sorry, I made a "typo". This Caleb Holden appears in the 1820 Census at Greenville. And after re-examination of my census records, I have him listed in the 1850 US Census at Greenville, ; (Roll: M432_510; Page 203B)Age 76. He next appears in Saugerties in the 1860 census, Age 88. And so the death date that I have had all these years is incorrect. Probably that is the reason for me not being able to search him further. Thank you Pat for your keen eyes in noticing my error. Janice On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Patricia Morrow wrote: > How could he be listed on the 1860 census if he died in 1846? > >> Does anyone have data on Caleb Holden who lived in Greenville and is >> listed as a shoemaker? His dates are: b. 13 Jul 1767. 5 Oct 1846. >> He appears in the Census 1820 and I do not have a census record until >> 1860 where he appears to live in Saugerties. >> Thank you. >> Janice Hesselink > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

How could he be listed on the 1860 census if he died in 1846? > Does anyone have data on Caleb Holden who lived in Greenville and is > listed as a shoemaker? His dates are: b. 13 Jul 1767. 5 Oct 1846. > He appears in the Census 1820 and I do not have a census record until > 1860 where he appears to live in Saugerties. > Thank you. > Janice Hesselink

Janice - was he in the Rev War?? Sylvia -------------------------------------------------- From: "Janice Hesselink" <jclink51@mhcable.com> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 5:14 PM To: "NYGreene rootsweb" <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYGREENE] Caleb Holden > > Does anyone have data on Caleb Holden who lived in Greenville and is > listed as a shoemaker? His dates are: b. 13 Jul 1767. 5 Oct 1846. > He appears in the Census 1820 and I do not have a census record until > 1860 where he appears to live in Saugerties. > Thank you. > Janice Hesselink > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have data on Caleb Holden who lived in Greenville and is listed as a shoemaker? His dates are: b. 13 Jul 1767. 5 Oct 1846. He appears in the Census 1820 and I do not have a census record until 1860 where he appears to live in Saugerties. Thank you. Janice Hesselink

Jeremy, from my experience the J. in Casper's name is a clue. I would into all the Jacobus (James), Jacob and Johannes Hallenbeck's as a potential father. And then a grandfather who was a Casper. I had this family almost completely figured out and before I saved the file to a disk lost it in a crash. So bummed out I haven't tried to recreate it yet. Perhaps it's time. Sylvia -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeremy Taylor" <jeremyjtaylor@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:33 AM To: <HALLENBECK@rootsweb.com>; "Greene County List" <nygreene-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYGREENE] Casper J. Hallenbeck progress??? > > Just wanted to run some information past the members of the list, and see > what you think... As you may or may not recall, I am trying to find > information about the parents of Casper J. Hallenbeck born abt 1793 and > his wife Maria Halsey born abt. 1805. They are buried in Limestreet > Cemetery, and were my 4x great-grandparents... Some recent information on > the message boards on Ancestry has me thinking and digging, and I want to > see if any of you think that my thoughts on this could be correct.... > > In the 1850 Coxsackie census there is a William Hallenbeck, age 74 listed > just above Casper and Maria. In the househould there is also a Magdalena > Hallenbeck listed, aged approx 18. Casper and Maria were supposed to have > had a daughter named Magdaline born in 1826, but she does not appear in > their household with their other children (William, Jane, and James). > > There was also this information on the boards about some possible > newspaper articles of interest: > > "1811 Will of CASPER W. HALLENBECK > CASPER W. HALLENBECK of Coxsackie Will Probated Sept. 25 1811 > Heirs: Son, William; daughter, Rachel, wife of John Brandow; > William Hallenbeck, eldest son of daughter Christina; Casper, second son > of daughter Christina; John, youngest son of Christina; Sally, only > daughter of Johannes Brandow. > Executors: Son, William Hallenbeck and John L. Bronk. > Witnesses: Casper Collyer, Aaron S. VanSchaak and Leonard Bronk." > > Do you think that Casper W. might be the father of the William who is > listed in the 1850 Census? Not really sure who/where the William, Casper, > and John mentioned as additional heirs fit into this, that part has me a > bit confused as to who is the father of who.... > > Would love to hear what anyone thinks of this, and if anyone has any > information to help confirm or dispute any of this?? This brickwall is > driving me crazy, and has been for somewhere around 20 years! > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeremy, Two sources I'd recommend: The Bronk Museum in Coxsackie, and The Beers History of Greene County. ~ Ron W ~ In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Taylor" <jeremyjtaylor@yahoo.com> To: <HALLENBECK@rootsweb.com>; "Greene County List" <nygreene-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:33 AM Subject: [NYGREENE] Casper J. Hallenbeck progress??? > Just wanted to run some information past the members of the list, and see > what you think... As you may or may not recall, I am trying to find > information about the parents of Casper J. Hallenbeck born abt 1793 and > his wife Maria Halsey born abt. 1805. They are buried in Limestreet > Cemetery, and were my 4x great-grandparents... Some recent information on > the message boards on Ancestry has me thinking and digging, and I want to > see if any of you think that my thoughts on this could be correct.... > > In the 1850 Coxsackie census there is a William Hallenbeck, age 74 listed > just above Casper and Maria. In the househould there is also a Magdalena > Hallenbeck listed, aged approx 18. Casper and Maria were supposed to have > had a daughter named Magdaline born in 1826, but she does not appear in > their household with their other children (William, Jane, and James). > > There was also this information on the boards about some possible > newspaper articles of interest: > > "1811 Will of CASPER W. HALLENBECK > CASPER W. HALLENBECK of Coxsackie Will Probated Sept. 25 1811 > Heirs: Son, William; daughter, Rachel, wife of John Brandow; > William Hallenbeck, eldest son of daughter Christina; Casper, second son > of daughter Christina; John, youngest son of Christina; Sally, only > daughter of Johannes Brandow. > Executors: Son, William Hallenbeck and John L. Bronk. > Witnesses: Casper Collyer, Aaron S. VanSchaak and Leonard Bronk." > > Do you think that Casper W. might be the father of the William who is > listed in the 1850 Census? Not really sure who/where the William, Casper, > and John mentioned as additional heirs fit into this, that part has me a > bit confused as to who is the father of who.... > > Would love to hear what anyone thinks of this, and if anyone has any > information to help confirm or dispute any of this?? This brickwall is > driving me crazy, and has been for somewhere around 20 years! > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeremy, Have you checked in the Town/Village of Athens, NY? Athens is a few miles south of Coxsackie. I have a newspaper article of July 1941, "Athens Man Drops Dead". Henry Hallenbeck, one of Athens' well known residents, d. very suddenly on Saturday at the home of his son, Harold... Mr. Hallenbeck was b. in Athens 76 years ago, the s/o Casper H. and Lucretia Van Valkenburgh Hallenbeck.....His wife, who was Ada Saxe, died several years ago. In addition to his son, Harold, he is survived by one daughter, Mrs. Helen Johnson of White Plains." I also have a Obit for Ada R. Hallenbeck, w/o Henry Hallenbeck (5 Oct. 1930). Perhaps this might help you in your search. Janice On May 29, 2011, at 12:33 AM, Jeremy Taylor wrote: > Just wanted to run some information past the members of the list, > and see what you think... As you may or may not recall, I am trying > to find information about the parents of Casper J. Hallenbeck born > abt 1793 and his wife Maria Halsey born abt. 1805. They are buried > in Limestreet Cemetery, and were my 4x great-grandparents... Some > recent information on the message boards on Ancestry has me thinking > and digging, and I want to see if any of you think that my thoughts > on this could be correct.... > > In the 1850 Coxsackie census there is a William Hallenbeck, age 74 > listed just above Casper and Maria. In the househould there is also > a Magdalena Hallenbeck listed, aged approx 18. Casper and Maria > were supposed to have had a daughter named Magdaline born in 1826, > but she does not appear in their household with their other children > (William, Jane, and James). > > There was also this information on the boards about some possible > newspaper articles of interest: > > "1811 Will of CASPER W. HALLENBECK > CASPER W. HALLENBECK of Coxsackie Will Probated Sept. 25 1811 > Heirs: Son, William; daughter, Rachel, wife of John Brandow; > William Hallenbeck, eldest son of daughter Christina; Casper, second > son of daughter Christina; John, youngest son of Christina; Sally, > only daughter of Johannes Brandow. > Executors: Son, William Hallenbeck and John L. Bronk. > Witnesses: Casper Collyer, Aaron S. VanSchaak and Leonard Bronk." > > Do you think that Casper W. might be the father of the William who > is listed in the 1850 Census? Not really sure who/where the > William, Casper, and John mentioned as additional heirs fit into > this, that part has me a bit confused as to who is the father of > who.... > > Would love to hear what anyone thinks of this, and if anyone has any > information to help confirm or dispute any of this?? This brickwall > is driving me crazy, and has been for somewhere around 20 years! > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Just wanted to run some information past the members of the list, and see what you think... As you may or may not recall, I am trying to find information about the parents of Casper J. Hallenbeck born abt 1793 and his wife Maria Halsey born abt. 1805. They are buried in Limestreet Cemetery, and were my 4x great-grandparents... Some recent information on the message boards on Ancestry has me thinking and digging, and I want to see if any of you think that my thoughts on this could be correct.... In the 1850 Coxsackie census there is a William Hallenbeck, age 74 listed just above Casper and Maria. In the househould there is also a Magdalena Hallenbeck listed, aged approx 18. Casper and Maria were supposed to have had a daughter named Magdaline born in 1826, but she does not appear in their household with their other children (William, Jane, and James). There was also this information on the boards about some possible newspaper articles of interest: "1811 Will of CASPER W. HALLENBECK CASPER W. HALLENBECK of Coxsackie Will Probated Sept. 25 1811 Heirs: Son, William; daughter, Rachel, wife of John Brandow; William Hallenbeck, eldest son of daughter Christina; Casper, second son of daughter Christina; John, youngest son of Christina; Sally, only daughter of Johannes Brandow. Executors: Son, William Hallenbeck and John L. Bronk. Witnesses: Casper Collyer, Aaron S. VanSchaak and Leonard Bronk." Do you think that Casper W. might be the father of the William who is listed in the 1850 Census? Not really sure who/where the William, Casper, and John mentioned as additional heirs fit into this, that part has me a bit confused as to who is the father of who.... Would love to hear what anyone thinks of this, and if anyone has any information to help confirm or dispute any of this?? This brickwall is driving me crazy, and has been for somewhere around 20 years! Thanks, Jeremy

http://www.newyorkgravestones.org You might want to go east to check http://www.magravestones.org for anyone you missed. If you knew the lady buried herein has maiden surname and it is not listed, please let me know and I will add the maiden surname to that photo entry. To find military burial: 1. "Search" 2. change Last Name "Start With" to "Contains" 3. enter these specific codes: (FI) French-Indian War (RW) Revolutionary War (1812) War of 1812 (IW) Indian Wars (CW) Civil War (MEX) Mexican War (SA) Spanish American War (SERV) Service, either war participant or in-betweens (lacking info on marker) (WWI) World War I (WWII) World War II (KOR) Korean War (VN) Vietnam (PG) Persian Gulf (driving Saddam's out of Kuwait) (IRAQ) Iraqi War (AFG) Afghanistan And decorat their graves with flags Memorial Day! W. David Samuelsen

I am looking for more information about the following... 1760's - approximate time of marriage of MARIA PARE to Jacob HALLENBECK of New Salem. ch: Hannah; Elizabeth; Jacob J.; Angleclcy "Engeltje"; Casparus "Jasper"; Nicholas; Maria; Matthew; and Rebeccah HALLENBECK. I am not sure, but one of the children of Maria and Jacob could be the connection I am looking for to break through my Hallenbeck brick wall... Here is the info I have about my Hallenbeck brick wall... Casper J. Hallenbeck was born c. 1793 and married to Maria Halsey (Halsted?), b. c. 1805. They were married 1 Jan 1825 in the Reformed Church in Bethlehem, NY. They are buried in the Limestreet (Collechburh) Cemetery in West Athens, NY. Casper and Maria had the following children: Magdaline (b. 3 Jan 1826), William T. (c. 1834), Jane Ann (b. 27 Jul 1837) and James R. (my 3x g-grandfather, b. 31 Aug 1839). I have information from there down to me, but I have not been able to trace back any farther than Casper or Maria. Any information or assistance would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Jeremy

Good insight into our Union force structure during the Civil War: http://www.civilwarhome.com/unionarmy.htm

I've been following with interest the imput on Civil War military organization. Seems I remember from reading Civil War history much about military unit formation is referred to by "Brigades", most noted is at the Battle of Gettysburg. I remember from my service in the Korean War period the Brigade formation was not in use as it is today. From what I experienced it was mostly squads, platoons, company, battalion, regiment, division, corps --as has already been mentioned. Since I live next to Fort Drum and the 10th Mountain light infantry division,(rapid deployment), the organization term "Brigade" is commonly used in today's army. It seems that there are 4 Brigades to a full combat Division w/ support units.

This would have been the Continental Army battalion. And I think the 300 number is far closer to the right number for the times. Thanks Ron Sylvia -------------------------------------------------- From: "~ Ron W. ~" <ronwaldron@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:14 PM To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] !Re: Battalion > > Just from my reading of military history, I'd say you are close with the > 300 > number - 3 Co.'s at 100 each..... Remember that the Militia's were much > lighter.... don't have a number. > > ~ Ron W ~ > In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> > To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:55 PM > Subject: [NYGREENE] !Re: Battalion > > >> Oiii - great clarification Ron - I decided to say the battalion was >> somewhere between 300 and 1,300 men during the Rev War. That should be >> safe! >> LOL >> Sylvia >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "~ Ron W. ~" <ronwaldron@verizon.net> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:49 PM >> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion >> >>> >>> What might clarify: We evolved thru a number of configurations over the >>> years; I think the triad was first, which meant 3 Co.'s to a Bn., then >>> as >>> weaponry and manning changed we went a quad. configuration which would >>> mean >>> 4 Co.'s and when the Pentagon was built the magic Nr. went to five. >>> Haven't >>> the foggiest idea where it is today, probly depends largely on the >>> Infantry >>> weapons provided, e.g. I do know that when DoD pushed .30 cal. machine >>> guns >>> down to the Plt. level (one for right flank and one for left flank) it >>> added >>> a gunner and ammo bearer for each, to the already standard 4 Squads of 8 >>> men >>> each. >>> If you'd only sign up for a hitch in the Army you could find out about >>> all >>> this stuff.... :) >>> >>> ~ Ron W ~ >>> In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> >>> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion >>> >>> >>>> Thanks Ron - clear as mud to me, but I think I've got it~ LOL >>>> Sylvia >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "~ Ron W. ~" <ronwaldron@verizon.net> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:16 PM >>>> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion >>>> >>>>> >>>>> A Battalion consists of a number of Companies, this number has varied >>>>> from >>>>> 3 >>>>> to 5 over the years. We've recently settled on 4. An Infantry Co. >>>>> consists >>>>> of 4 platoons, each having 4 x 8 man Squads or 33 -34 men counting >>>>> their >>>>> Plt. Sgt. and Plt Leader. So 34 x 4 = 136 + 1 Field 1st Sgt + 1 !st >>>>> Sgt >>>>> + >>>>> 1 >>>>> Exec. Officer + 1 Company Commander = 140 per Co. * 4 = 560 per >>>>> Battalion >>>>> + >>>>> 1 Sgt. Major + 1 XO + 1 CO + 1 Adjutant = 564 per Bn. >>>>> Note that a Bn. usually includes a Hq., Hq., & Service Co. to hold the >>>>> Command Staff, Personnel, Supply, and other overhead functions. So >>>>> that >>>>> would add another 140, or so, = 700 total, and if the Companies are >>>>> reinforced Co.'s you add another support Platoon to each. >>>>> But many in the Civil War marched off to battle at or near full >>>>> strength >>>>> and >>>>> were reduced to <10% in their first battle. Casualties were higher >>>>> than >>>>> any >>>>> war before or since. >>>>> >>>>> ~ Ron W ~ >>>>> In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> >>>>> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:01 PM >>>>> Subject: [NYGREENE] Battalion >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> OK folks - I am writing an article on the Land Bounty lands in NYS. >>>>>> Anyone >>>>>> know how many men in a battalion during the Rev War? >>>>>> >>>>>> I see online that a current battalion can have between 300 and 1,300 >>>>>> men - >>>>>> does that sound right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just from my reading of military history, I'd say you are close with the 300 number - 3 Co.'s at 100 each..... Remember that the Militia's were much lighter.... don't have a number. ~ Ron W ~ In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:55 PM Subject: [NYGREENE] !Re: Battalion > Oiii - great clarification Ron - I decided to say the battalion was > somewhere between 300 and 1,300 men during the Rev War. That should be > safe! > LOL > Sylvia > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "~ Ron W. ~" <ronwaldron@verizon.net> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:49 PM > To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion > >> >> What might clarify: We evolved thru a number of configurations over the >> years; I think the triad was first, which meant 3 Co.'s to a Bn., then as >> weaponry and manning changed we went a quad. configuration which would >> mean >> 4 Co.'s and when the Pentagon was built the magic Nr. went to five. >> Haven't >> the foggiest idea where it is today, probly depends largely on the >> Infantry >> weapons provided, e.g. I do know that when DoD pushed .30 cal. machine >> guns >> down to the Plt. level (one for right flank and one for left flank) it >> added >> a gunner and ammo bearer for each, to the already standard 4 Squads of 8 >> men >> each. >> If you'd only sign up for a hitch in the Army you could find out about >> all >> this stuff.... :) >> >> ~ Ron W ~ >> In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> >> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion >> >> >>> Thanks Ron - clear as mud to me, but I think I've got it~ LOL >>> Sylvia >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "~ Ron W. ~" <ronwaldron@verizon.net> >>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:16 PM >>> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion >>> >>>> >>>> A Battalion consists of a number of Companies, this number has varied >>>> from >>>> 3 >>>> to 5 over the years. We've recently settled on 4. An Infantry Co. >>>> consists >>>> of 4 platoons, each having 4 x 8 man Squads or 33 -34 men counting >>>> their >>>> Plt. Sgt. and Plt Leader. So 34 x 4 = 136 + 1 Field 1st Sgt + 1 !st Sgt >>>> + >>>> 1 >>>> Exec. Officer + 1 Company Commander = 140 per Co. * 4 = 560 per >>>> Battalion >>>> + >>>> 1 Sgt. Major + 1 XO + 1 CO + 1 Adjutant = 564 per Bn. >>>> Note that a Bn. usually includes a Hq., Hq., & Service Co. to hold the >>>> Command Staff, Personnel, Supply, and other overhead functions. So that >>>> would add another 140, or so, = 700 total, and if the Companies are >>>> reinforced Co.'s you add another support Platoon to each. >>>> But many in the Civil War marched off to battle at or near full >>>> strength >>>> and >>>> were reduced to <10% in their first battle. Casualties were higher than >>>> any >>>> war before or since. >>>> >>>> ~ Ron W ~ >>>> In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> >>>> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:01 PM >>>> Subject: [NYGREENE] Battalion >>>> >>>> >>>>> OK folks - I am writing an article on the Land Bounty lands in NYS. >>>>> Anyone >>>>> know how many men in a battalion during the Rev War? >>>>> >>>>> I see online that a current battalion can have between 300 and 1,300 >>>>> men - >>>>> does that sound right? >>>>> >>>>> Sylvia >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, Try ronwaldron@verizon.net ~ Ron W ~ In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Carman" <sixgran@msn.com> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] NYGREENE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 68 >I need Ron Waldrons email address if possible > Bob Carman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: nygreene-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:nygreene-request@rootsweb.com> > To: nygreene@rootsweb.com<mailto:nygreene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 3:00 AM > Subject: NYGREENE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 68 > > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. PICO (Sylvia Hasenkopf) > 2. State Library at Albany (Sylvia Hasenkopf) > 3. Genealogy 101 - What's in your Trunk (Sylvia Hasenkopf) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 10:50:41 -0400 > From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com<mailto:esi@francomm.com>> > Subject: [NYGREENE] PICO > To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com<mailto:nygreene@rootsweb.com>> > Message-ID: > <B8E3568104A94922B89682BC0023899D@HasenkopfHP<mailto:B8E3568104A94922B89682BC0023899D@HasenkopfHP>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Many, many thanks for the additional support from: > > Serena B. > Bruce S. > Marsha T. > Melanie C. > > So many will benefit from your generosity. > > Sylvia > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 11:43:36 -0400 > From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com<mailto:esi@francomm.com>> > Subject: [NYGREENE] State Library at Albany > To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com<mailto:nygreene@rootsweb.com>> > Message-ID: > <C884EC8F30A14DD684E35C2A9E07AB86@HasenkopfHP<mailto:C884EC8F30A14DD684E35C2A9E07AB86@HasenkopfHP>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi folks - I have been asked many times about research at the State > Library. I figured it was time to put a research day at the State Library > at Albany program together. This would be a fee based research trip. As > many of you know I also conduct research for clients for a fee. I am very > familiar with the research materials at the State Library and can offer an > in depth tour and individual guidance to attendees. This would be a full > day event, June 18th, starting at 9:30am until 4:30pm. I will provide pre > research day planning for each attendee, in order to maximize the day. If > you are interested, let me know at > sylvia@northriverresearch.com<mailto:sylvia@northriverresearch.com>. Cost > for the day trip is $65 per person. > > For those that are interested in making a weekend event, I can plan a > Friday, Saturday and Sunday tour, which would include a Friday Research > trip to the State Library at Albany, a Saturday trip to the Vedder > Research Library in Greene County and a Sunday tour of Greene County. I > can also arrange accommodations and a meal program, with a local resort. > Also let me know if you are interested in an expanded research trip. I am > pretty flexible and can include research venues in surrounding counties as > well. > > Sylvia > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:10:17 -0400 > From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com<mailto:esi@francomm.com>> > Subject: [NYGREENE] Genealogy 101 - What's in your Trunk > To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com<mailto:nygreene@rootsweb.com>> > Message-ID: > <E13B2E7371C344878987711265B5B8F2@HasenkopfHP<mailto:E13B2E7371C344878987711265B5B8F2@HasenkopfHP>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > As part of the Cairo Historical Society 2011 Calendar of Events the > following will be offered: > > Genealogy 101 - What's in Your Trunk? > > Sylvia Hasenkopf, Hudson River Historian and Genealogist, will present a > beginners course in creating and building your family tree. We will cover > vital records, census data, land records, cemeteries and church records. > This class is intended for beginners and for people who have been doing > genealogy for awhile but need help in identifying Greene County resources > and organizing their material. > > Location: Gallagher's Banquet Hall, 513 Main St., Cairo, NY 12413 > Date: November 19, 2011 > Time 1:00pm to 4:00pm > Cost: $15 per person, $10 per person for Cairo Historical Society members > > If you are interested in other Cairo Historical Society events check out > the Cairo Historical Society Facebook page: > > https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=199768543395740#!/group.php?gid=111983588813394<https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=199768543395740#!/group.php?gid=111983588813394> > > Or the Cairo Historical Society Website: > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nygreen2/cairo_historical_society.htm<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nygreen2/cairo_historical_society.htm> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NYGREENE list administrator, send an email to > NYGREENE-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:NYGREENE-admin@rootsweb.com>. > > To post a message to the NYGREENE mailing list, send an email to > NYGREENE@rootsweb.com<mailto:NYGREENE@rootsweb.com>. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NYGREENE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 68 > *************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oiii - great clarification Ron - I decided to say the battalion was somewhere between 300 and 1,300 men during the Rev War. That should be safe! LOL Sylvia -------------------------------------------------- From: "~ Ron W. ~" <ronwaldron@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:49 PM To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion > > What might clarify: We evolved thru a number of configurations over the > years; I think the triad was first, which meant 3 Co.'s to a Bn., then as > weaponry and manning changed we went a quad. configuration which would > mean > 4 Co.'s and when the Pentagon was built the magic Nr. went to five. > Haven't > the foggiest idea where it is today, probly depends largely on the > Infantry > weapons provided, e.g. I do know that when DoD pushed .30 cal. machine > guns > down to the Plt. level (one for right flank and one for left flank) it > added > a gunner and ammo bearer for each, to the already standard 4 Squads of 8 > men > each. > If you'd only sign up for a hitch in the Army you could find out about all > this stuff.... :) > > ~ Ron W ~ > In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> > To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion > > >> Thanks Ron - clear as mud to me, but I think I've got it~ LOL >> Sylvia >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "~ Ron W. ~" <ronwaldron@verizon.net> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:16 PM >> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion >> >>> >>> A Battalion consists of a number of Companies, this number has varied >>> from >>> 3 >>> to 5 over the years. We've recently settled on 4. An Infantry Co. >>> consists >>> of 4 platoons, each having 4 x 8 man Squads or 33 -34 men counting their >>> Plt. Sgt. and Plt Leader. So 34 x 4 = 136 + 1 Field 1st Sgt + 1 !st Sgt >>> + >>> 1 >>> Exec. Officer + 1 Company Commander = 140 per Co. * 4 = 560 per >>> Battalion >>> + >>> 1 Sgt. Major + 1 XO + 1 CO + 1 Adjutant = 564 per Bn. >>> Note that a Bn. usually includes a Hq., Hq., & Service Co. to hold the >>> Command Staff, Personnel, Supply, and other overhead functions. So that >>> would add another 140, or so, = 700 total, and if the Companies are >>> reinforced Co.'s you add another support Platoon to each. >>> But many in the Civil War marched off to battle at or near full strength >>> and >>> were reduced to <10% in their first battle. Casualties were higher than >>> any >>> war before or since. >>> >>> ~ Ron W ~ >>> In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> >>> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:01 PM >>> Subject: [NYGREENE] Battalion >>> >>> >>>> OK folks - I am writing an article on the Land Bounty lands in NYS. >>>> Anyone >>>> know how many men in a battalion during the Rev War? >>>> >>>> I see online that a current battalion can have between 300 and 1,300 >>>> men - >>>> does that sound right? >>>> >>>> Sylvia >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, it is not that I am reluctant to add William to the Civil War muster rolls, it is just that the Tracing your Roots in Greene County website is a collection of source documents of and about Greene County people. I cannot change these original documents to include William, as much as I understand your desire to do so. I encourage you to write an article on William, and I would be happy to include this on the website. Sylvia -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Carman" <sixgran@msn.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:29 PM To: "NYGREENE-L" <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [NYGREENE] Fw: Civil War POW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Szyszka<mailto:bearsystems@yahoo.com> > To: Robert Carman<mailto:sixgran@msn.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: Civil War POW > > > Sorry, I do not have a clue on what you should do.. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mike Szyszka > BearSystems.com (It's about the Hudson Valley)<http://bearsystems.com/> > Ask me about advertising on BearSystems.com > > > Follow BearSystems on Twitter<http://twitter.com/#!/BearSystems> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We make it happen, Advertising, Web Sites, SEO, Marketing, Web Analytics, > Social Media Package > Bear Systems Publishing. LLC<http://bearsystemspublishingllc.com/> > PO Box 1427 > Woodstock, NY 12498 > (845) 853-9962 > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: Robert Carman <sixgran@msn.com> > To: bearsystems@yahoo.com > Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 1:27:53 PM > Subject: Civil War POW > > > With the 150th anniversary of the beginning of the civil war I would like > to put to rest the recognition of my Great Great Uncle, William > Vincent Carman of New Baltimore, Greene County, N.Y. > It seems that there is no record of his serving in the Army during the war > in the N.Y. State or Greene County Records. > He enlisted in the N.Y. 2nd. Mounted Rifles in Dec. of 1863 and was > captured in the battle of Cold Harbor, Virginia in June 1864. He was > interred in Andersonville, Prison , Georgia and died there in Sept. 1864. > I have the complete service record from the National Archives and although > he enlisted in Buffalo, N.Y. his home of record was New Baltimore. > He is buried in Grave # 9420 in Andersonville. > He had a Will prepared in 1860 but it was never probated until 1881 as > evidently no one knew where he was. > He had been married before his service but his wife died in 1860. She is > buried in the Rensselaerville Cemetery in Rensselaerville, N.Y. > where his wife was from.He had requested in his will that he be buried > alongside his wife when he died and even described what was > to be inscribed on his grave stone. Of course that never happened. > I have tried unsuccessfully to get Mrs. Sylvia Hasenkopf who is a > Genealogist and the local Historian to include him (William Vincent > Carman) > on the roles of those who served during the civil war but she was > reluctant to do this. > As a retired military person myself I put great importance in matters such > as this. > I do not know if this is in your purview but perhaps you can point me in > the right direction. > > Respectfully > > Robert W. Carman USN, Ret. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What might clarify: We evolved thru a number of configurations over the years; I think the triad was first, which meant 3 Co.'s to a Bn., then as weaponry and manning changed we went a quad. configuration which would mean 4 Co.'s and when the Pentagon was built the magic Nr. went to five. Haven't the foggiest idea where it is today, probly depends largely on the Infantry weapons provided, e.g. I do know that when DoD pushed .30 cal. machine guns down to the Plt. level (one for right flank and one for left flank) it added a gunner and ammo bearer for each, to the already standard 4 Squads of 8 men each. If you'd only sign up for a hitch in the Army you could find out about all this stuff.... :) ~ Ron W ~ In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion > Thanks Ron - clear as mud to me, but I think I've got it~ LOL > Sylvia > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "~ Ron W. ~" <ronwaldron@verizon.net> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 2:16 PM > To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Battalion > >> >> A Battalion consists of a number of Companies, this number has varied >> from >> 3 >> to 5 over the years. We've recently settled on 4. An Infantry Co. >> consists >> of 4 platoons, each having 4 x 8 man Squads or 33 -34 men counting their >> Plt. Sgt. and Plt Leader. So 34 x 4 = 136 + 1 Field 1st Sgt + 1 !st Sgt + >> 1 >> Exec. Officer + 1 Company Commander = 140 per Co. * 4 = 560 per Battalion >> + >> 1 Sgt. Major + 1 XO + 1 CO + 1 Adjutant = 564 per Bn. >> Note that a Bn. usually includes a Hq., Hq., & Service Co. to hold the >> Command Staff, Personnel, Supply, and other overhead functions. So that >> would add another 140, or so, = 700 total, and if the Companies are >> reinforced Co.'s you add another support Platoon to each. >> But many in the Civil War marched off to battle at or near full strength >> and >> were reduced to <10% in their first battle. Casualties were higher than >> any >> war before or since. >> >> ~ Ron W ~ >> In God We Trust, All Others We Monitor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> >> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:01 PM >> Subject: [NYGREENE] Battalion >> >> >>> OK folks - I am writing an article on the Land Bounty lands in NYS. >>> Anyone >>> know how many men in a battalion during the Rev War? >>> >>> I see online that a current battalion can have between 300 and 1,300 >>> men - >>> does that sound right? >>> >>> Sylvia >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message