Linda, give me the names of the children too - may be able to get some obits on them if they died. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Lewis" <llewis001@centurytel.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Research > Could you check and see if Rosina Barkley left a will? She died in March > 1886, about seven years after her husband John Barkley. Rosina's maiden > name was Kipp. > They had eight children that I know of, but I don't know that they all > lived to adulthood. > Thanks > Linda > in Missouri > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:30 PM > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Research > > >> Hi folks. I will heading to the Vedder at the beginning of April and have >> some room for some research. Anyone need a will? I do charge a small fee >> of $5 per will or probate packet plus the copy and postage charges. >> >> Just let me know. >> >> Sylvia >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> 1850 federal census for Prattsville and Windham fully transcribed! Come >> check us out! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, > Wills and so much more! Check us out! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Sure Lois - I'll check it out! Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lde2" <lde2@verizon.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Research > Sylvia, You sure do have a busy site, good leadership and many > followers I do enjoy reading all that comes thru. > > Do you think that you could find any wills or probates that you could > copy for me for either David W. Duncan 1823-1891 dies in Cairo, N.Y. > OR ORSON Howard 1806- 1892, brother Moses Howard 1810- 1888 or their > father Thomas Howard 1773abt.- 1835. You may recall that you did some > research on Thomas and wife Mehibitable. > > I will be glad to pay $5 each. > Many thanks. > Lois > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:30 PM > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Research > > > Hi folks. I will heading to the Vedder at the beginning of April and > have some room for some research. Anyone need a will? I do charge a > small fee of $5 per will or probate packet plus the copy and postage > charges. > > Just let me know. > > Sylvia > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > 1850 federal census for Prattsville and Windham fully transcribed! > Come > check us out! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > 1850 federal census for Prattsville and Windham fully transcribed! Come > check us out! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Sylvia If you have time, I'd be interested in a copies of both of Jacob and Lucinda (Simmons) Garrison's wills. Jacob d. Sept. 16, 1885; and Lucinda d. Sept. 7, 1905, Cindy In a message dated 3/17/2005 3:31:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, esi@francomm.com writes: Hi folks. I will heading to the Vedder at the beginning of April and have some room for some research. Anyone need a will? I do charge a small fee of $5 per will or probate packet plus the copy and postage charges. Just let me know. Sylvia ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== 1850 federal census for Prattsville and Windham fully transcribed! Come check us out! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=54 29

Linda, John Barkley left a will probated Dec 22, 1879. You can view the abstraction on the Greene Co. site. In it he names children: Benjamin, Eliza, wife of Romain Butts, Emily, Luann, Margaret, wife of Horace Towner, and Hariett. Also, wife, Rosina. The other girl's husbands are named, also. I just don't haves the names at hand right now. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Lewis" <llewis001@centurytel.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Research > Could you check and see if Rosina Barkley left a will? She died in March > 1886, about seven years after her husband John Barkley. Rosina's maiden > name was Kipp. > They had eight children that I know of, but I don't know that they all > lived to adulthood. > Thanks > Linda > in Missouri > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:30 PM > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Research > > >> Hi folks. I will heading to the Vedder at the beginning of April and have >> some room for some research. Anyone need a will? I do charge a small fee >> of $5 per will or probate packet plus the copy and postage charges. >> >> Just let me know. >> >> Sylvia >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> 1850 federal census for Prattsville and Windham fully transcribed! Come >> check us out! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, > Wills and so much more! Check us out! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Could you check and see if Rosina Barkley left a will? She died in March 1886, about seven years after her husband John Barkley. Rosina's maiden name was Kipp. They had eight children that I know of, but I don't know that they all lived to adulthood. Thanks Linda in Missouri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 5:30 PM Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Research > Hi folks. I will heading to the Vedder at the beginning of April and have > some room for some research. Anyone need a will? I do charge a small fee > of $5 per will or probate packet plus the copy and postage charges. > > Just let me know. > > Sylvia > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > 1850 federal census for Prattsville and Windham fully transcribed! Come > check us out! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

I believe I am living in the house of John Person and Sarah Layman along Kaaterskill Creek in Catskill. I have an old map and I am guessing that the Abraham Layman noted on this map might be Sarah's father. He was living across the road from John and Sarah and perhaps gave them the land to build the home.....a wedding gift perhaps? 1857-J. Person John Person, son of Hezekiah and Margaret Person, was born at Catskill in 1825, and was married in 1854 to Sarah C. Layman of Catskill. They had two sons and one daughter, Mary (b abt 1856), William H. (b abt 1859) and John H. (b abt 1862). Family is found in the 1870 and 1870 census records. 1896 Greene County Directory: John Person---farmer 107 acres PO Catskill Any info on either family (and info on the Little Delaware Turnpike that passed by the house) would be of interest. Regards...............Arthur Arthur Hoey 714 Broadway, Floor 8, New York, NY 10003 w917.400.7071 h212.353.2770 f212.353.2756 arthur_hoey@csi.com -----Original Message----- From: NYGREENE-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:NYGREENE-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:01 AM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Volunteerism is alive and well - on this list! Sylvia, this is what I have - part of it I received from Judy Morgan. Beginning with William and Emma (my gr-gr-grandparents), I added from Grandma and Mom's statements, plus my own knowledge. The ironic thing about all this is that we never knew Grandpa William Layman had any siblings. Once we connected, I found out that MY branch was the elusive one!! They'd been searching for years and years for us... shirley Descendants of _____ LEHMANN 1 _____ LEHMANN Born: Germany . +Anna Catharine SCHLEICHER Born: Abt. 1656 Meimsheim, Wutternberg, Germany . 2 Clements LEHMANN Born: 1686 Kallstadt, Germany Died: 1752 in Athens, Greene Co, NY ..... +Anna Gertruad WOLF Born: Feb 23, 1693/94 Giershofen Neuwied Westerwald, Germany Married: Nov 03, 1713 West Camp, Ulster Co, NY ..... 3 Jurin LEHMAN ........ 4 Jurge LEHMAN ............ 5 George LEHMAN ................ 6 Clement LEHMAN ................... 7 Jeremiah C. LEHMAN ....................... 8 Abraham LEHMAN Born: 1812 NY Died: Bet. 1877 - 1880 in NE? ........................... +_____ _____ Married: 1840 IN ..... 3 Johann William LEHMAN Born: Aug 13, 1714 West Camp, Ulster Co, NY Died: Aug 25, 1714 in West Camp, Ulster Co, NY ......... +_____ _____ ........ 4 John William LAYMAN Born: 1757 ............ +_____ _____ ............ 5 John William Clement LAYMAN Born: 1788 ................ +_____ _____ ................ 6 [1] Hiram LAYMAN, Sr. Born: Feb 15, 1813 Village of Catskill, Green Co, NY Died: Jan 22, 1880 in Richfield, Hennepin Co, MN Burial: Jan 1880 Oak Hill Cemetery, Richfield, Hennepin Co, MN .................... +[2] Eliza JOYCE Born: Apr 20, 1807 Green Mountain, Green Co, NY Married: 1841 Died: Apr 05, 1890 in Richfield, Hennepin Co, MN Burial: Apr 1890 Oak Hill Cemetery, Richfield, Hennepin Co, MN ................... 7 Richard LAYMAN Born: NY ....................... 8 Edward LAYMAN Born: Jun 1919 Died: in Richfield, Hennepin Co, MN ........................... +Elaine _____ Born: Apr 11, 1920 ................... 7 Andrew LAYMAN Born: Jul 03, 1842 NY ....................... +Lucy CLARK ...................... 8 Clarence LAYMAN ....................... 8 Annette "Nettie" LAYMAN ................... 7 Charles LAYMAN Born: Feb 1844 NY Died: Mar 03, 1915 in Minneapolis, Hennepin Co, MN ....................... +Sarah MCFEETERS Married: Apr 08, 1879 Minneapolis, Hennepin Co, MN ................... 7 Samuel C. LAYMAN Born: Nov 15, 1845 NY Died: in Richfield, Hennepin Co, MN ....................... +Clara COLBRATH Married: Apr 09, 1873 Minneapolis, Hennepin Co, MN ................... 7 William J. LAYMAN Born: Dec 05, 1847 NY Occupation: Policeman Died: Oct 1918 in Old Soldiers Home, Retsil, Kitsap Co, WA Burial: Old Soldiers Cemetery, Retsil, Kitsap Co, WA ....................... +Emma Frances "Vina" MITCHELL Born: Feb 28, 1852 Seabeck, ME Married: Mar 13, 1874 Minneapolis, Hennepin Co, MN Died: Nov 19, 1936 in Old Soldiers Home, Retsil, Kitsap Co, WA Burial: Old Soldiers Cemetery, Retsil, Kitsap Co, WA ....................... 8 Laura Hannah LAYMAN Born: Jul 06, 1876 Minneapolis, Hennepin Co, MN Died: Jul 25, 1902 in Sacred Heart Hospital, Spokane, Spokane Co, WA Burial: Fairmount Memorial Park in the Valley, Sp 29, Grp K, Lawn 3, Spokane, Spokane Co, WA Cause of death: Cancer ........................... +Elmore Lawrence "Cobb" SMALLEY Born: Sep 05, 1869 Mendocino Co, CA Occupation: Wheat, potatoes farmer Married: 1896 Couer d' Alene, ID ? Died: Oct 25, 1954 in Rockford, Spokane Co, WA Burial: Fairview Cemetery, Rockford, Spokane Co, WA ........................... 9 Benjamin Chalmers SMALLEY Born: Aug 16, 1897 Rockford, Spokane Co, WA Religion: Presbyterian Lodge: American Legion Post #49 Died: Dec 18, 1957 in home, Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara Co, CA Burial: Haiden Mortuary, Santa Barbara, CA Cause of death: Self-inflicted gunshot wound ............................... +Mary M ROUARD Born: Abt. 1894 CA Died: May 25, 1985 in Santa Barbara, CA Burial: Santa Barbara, CA ........................... 9 Alice Marion SMALLEY Born: Jul 06, 1899 Rockford, Spokane Co, WA Religion: Presbyterian Occupation: Licensed Practical Nurse Medical: Macular degeneration Died: Jan 30, 1992 in a nursing home, Longview, Cowlitz Co, WA Burial: Feb 02, 1992 Rose Valley Cemetery, Kelso, WA Cause of death: Old age ............................... +Paul UNGER III Born: Jul 25, 1889 Strassomorein, Ungarn Religion: Lutheran Occupation: Commercial fisherman on lower Columbia River Married: Aug 17, 1917 Kelso, Cowlitz Co, WA Divorce: 1955 Kelso, Cowlitz Co, WA Died: Jan 15, 1963 in home, Carrolls, Cowlitz Co, WA Burial: Jan 1963 Rose Valley Cemetery, Kelso, WA Cause of death: Heart attack .... 4 Baby boy UNGER Born: Feb 03, 1919 Carrolls, Cowlitz Co, WA Died: Feb 04, 1919 in Carrolls, Cowlitz Co, WA Burial: Feb 1919 Rose Valley Cemetery, Kelso, WA ........ 4 Albert Benjamin UNGER Born: Jan 17, 1920 Carrolls, Cowlitz Co, WA Baptism: in infancy at Lutheran Church in Rainier, OR Occupation: Logger Died: Aug 27, 1939 in vehicle accident west of Longview, Cowlitz Co, WA Burial: Aug 1939 Rose Valley Cemetery, Kelso, WA Cause of death: Car accident ........ 4 Pauline Grace UNGER Born: Jan 01, 1923 home on Ross Rd, Carrolls, Cowlitz Co, WA Baptism: 1955 (Lutheran Church, Rainier, OR) Religion: Christian Medical: Rheumatic fever in 20s; high blood pressure; macular degeneration; autoimmune deficiency; rheumatoid arthritis Died: Aug 30, 1999 in at home, Longview, Cowlitz Co, WA Burial: Sep 03, 1999 Rose Valley Cemetery, Kelso, Cowlitz Co, WA Cause of death: Heart attack ............ +August Ervin "Bud" MAPLES Born: Aug 01, 1913 Elk City, Beckham Co, OK Religion: Baptist Occupation: Millwright Married: Jul 02, 1941 Longview Community Church, Longview, Cowlitz Co, WA Medical: Erratic heartbeat all his life Died: Apr 13, 1987 in at home, Longview, Cowlitz Co, WA Burial: Apr 17, 1987 Rose Valley Cemetery, Kelso, WA Cause of death: Heart attack ............ 5 Linda Ann MAPLES Private ................ +Frederick Arthur CASADY Private ................ 6 Laura Denise CASADY Private ............... 6 Christopher Wayne CASADY Private ................ 6 Cynthia Darleen CASADY Born: Aug 09, 1967 Enterprise, Wallowa Co, OR Baptism: 1973 Baptist Church, Enterprise, Wallowa Co, OR Religion: Christian Occupation: Clerical Medical: Husband Randy Gibson was hemophiliac and contracted HIV from blood transfusions. Cindy contracted HIV from him. Died: Nov 30, 1992 in home, Enterprise, Wallowa Co, OR Burial: Dec 03, 1992 Prairie Creek Cemetery, Joseph, Wallowa Co, OR Cause of death: AIDS .................... +Randy GIBSON Born: Dec 21, 1965 Enterprise, Wallowa Co, OR Married: Aug 09, 1985 Enterprise, Wallowa Co, OR Medical: Randy was hemophiliac and contracted HIV through blood transfusions. Died: Oct 05, 1990 in Portland, Multnomah Co, OR Burial: Oct 09, 1990 Prairie Creek Cemetery, Joseph, Wallowa Co, OR Cause of death: AIDS ............ 5 Kenneth James "Buzz" MAPLES Private ................ +Paulette Lavon CLARK Born: Sep 29, 1949 Kelso, Cowlitz Co, WA Married: May 21, 1965 Longview, Cowlitz Co, WA Divorce: Mar 10, 1967 Kelso, Cowlitz Co, WA Died: Jun 12, 1992 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co, CA Burial: Longview Memorial Park, Longview, Cowlitz Co, WA Cause of death: Cancer ................ 6 Michelyn Joell MAPLES Private .................... +William Michael "Mike" ALLEN Private ................ *2nd Husband of Michelyn Joell MAPLES: .................... +Davor (NMI) GJURASIC Private ................... 7 Alexis Lavon GJURASIC Private ................... 7 Connor Clark GJURASIC Private ............ 5 Shirley Elizabeth MAPLES Private ................ +Richard Albert KILLINGSWORTH Born: Jun 12, 1943 Wenatchee, WA Baptism: as an infant in the Methodist Church (Wenatchee, WA?) Religion: Raised in Methodist Church Occupation: Bet. 1965 - 1994 Trooper/sergeant, Washington State Patrol; Kennewick, Kelso and Sea-Tac, WA Married: Mar 03, 1984 Longview, Cowlitz Co, WA Divorce: Sep 30, 1999 Seattle, King Co, WA Died: Oct 18, 2003 in Seattle, King Co, WA ....................... 8 George Hiram LAYMAN Born: Mar 10, 1884 Minneapolis, Hennepin Co, MN Died: Mar 04, 1974 in Pythian Home, Vancouver, Clark Co, WA Burial: Forest View Cemetery, Forest Grove, OR Sylvia Hasenkopf wrote: > Yes, I am the researcher Judy hired and I also have a pile of inputs > for the Laymans about 6 inches high. Whittling away at that as time > permits and continuing to add info I find locally as well - more > confirmation of info rather than a whole lot new. Now, bear with me > because I still can't find the fit - who are William's parents - is it > Ephraim and Elisabeth Deyo Layman? > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Hi Arthur Here is what I have on John Person and Sarah "Sallie" Layman. I am Shirley's "shirttail cousin". Judy in Va Descendants of JOHN PERSON 1 JOHN PERSON b: 1825 in CATSKILL, GREENE CO, NY d: 1902 in CATSKILL, GREENE CO, NY Burial: JEFFERSON RURAL CEMETERY, CATSKILL, GREENE CO, NY . +SARAH "SALLIE" CATHERINE LAYMAN m: 1854 in CATSKILL, GREENE CO, NY b: February 23, 1832 in CATSKILL, GREENE CO, NY d: 1915 in CATSKILL, GREENE CO, NY Father: WILHELMUS M. LEHMAN Mother: ELIZABETH WEBBER Burial: JEFFERSON RURAL CEMETERY, CATSKILL, GREENE CO, NY .... 2 MARY PERSON b: 1856 in CATSKILL, GREENE CO, NY d: 1920 in GREENE CO, NY Burial: NEW JEFFERSON RURAL CEMETERY, JEFFERSON, GREENE CO, NY ........ +UNKNOWN PALMER .... 2 WILLIAM "WILLIE" H. PERSON b: 1859 in CATSKILL, GREENE CO, NY .... 2 JOHN H. PERSON b: 1862 in CATSKILL, GREENE CO, NY Shirley <maples1@hctc.com> wrote:Arthur, I haven't begun to enter the 500+ pages of Layman info I received from a shirttail cousin, and researched primarily by Sylvia in Greene County...but I do know my LEHMANN/LEHMAN/LAYMAN line settled there very early on. I'll keep your message on file and when I enter the info into my database, I'll let you know if we have a connection. shirley :) Arthur Hoey wrote: >I believe I am living in the house of John Person and Sarah Layman along >Kaaterskill Creek in Catskill. I have an old map and I am guessing that the >Abraham Layman noted on this map might be Sarah's father. He was living >across the road from John and Sarah and perhaps gave them the land to build >the home.....a wedding gift perhaps? > >1857-J. Person >John Person, son of Hezekiah and Margaret Person, was born at Catskill in >1825, and was married in 1854 to Sarah C. Layman of Catskill. They had two >sons and one daughter, Mary (b abt 1856), William H. (b abt 1859) and John >H. (b abt 1862). Family is found in the 1870 and 1870 census records. >1896 Greene County Directory: John Person---farmer 107 acres PO Catskill > >Any info on either family (and info on the Little Delaware Turnpike that >passed by the house) would be of interest. > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 3-15-2005 ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Over 200 Greene County cemeteries fully transcribed - look up your ancestor! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Sylvia: I think that is a possibility that she and William are buried in Columbia Co. Her sister Ann E. move there where the John H. Moore family is from. Their mother Mary Miller Brown Herrick also moves to Columbia Co. Janice >> She may well not be buried there. It was common then, as it is now to put the names and birth dates of the surviving spouse on the tombstone when it was being chiseled for the recently depoarted, so that all that had to be completed was the date of death when the surviving spouse died. Perhaps Caroline and William are buried toghether - perhaps in Columbia Co??

No I think they are different people. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <JANB111@aol.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] William I. William J. Wells > > Sylvia: > Do you mean that you believe William I. Wells is the same person as > William > J. Wells? William I. will is probated June 3, 1872. I am thinking they > are > different people. > > A William J. Wells is alive for the 1875 census for Athens. > > Census of 1875 - Athens > Number Last name First name Age Sex Marital Status Race Relationship > Birthplace Occupation NAT/Alien Commen > 055b Wells William J. 54 Greene Laborer > Caroline 43 Wife Greene > 055 Syrles (Searles) Libbie 21 S Sister Greene > > What throws me is that William I. has a son named Christopher and William > J. > has a son named Christopher. A William J. was m. to a Eleanor Clough and > a > Caroline Brown. > Janice >>> > > Janice, given the marriage info for 1874, census data giving age, I am > pretty sure this is the same guy. > > Sylvia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JANB111@aol.com> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:56 PM > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] William I. William J. Wells > > >> The William J. Wells who m. Caroline Brown... is he the William I. >> Wells? >> ?? >> WILLIAM I. WELLS of Coxsackie Will Probated June 3, 1872 >> Heirs: son, Christopher and grandson William >> Executor: son, Christopher >> Witnesses: Epenetus Reed and Samuel King > > > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read about > our revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

She may well not be buried there. It was common then, as it is now to put the names and birth dates of the surviving spouse on the tombstone when it was being chiseled for the recently depoarted, so that all that had to be completed was the date of death when the surviving spouse died. Perhaps Caroline and William are buried toghether - perhaps in Columbia Co?? Sylvia Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <JANB111@aol.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Wells family > > Sylvia: > Yes. Interesting that she is with Calvin. No date of death listed. > Whatever happened to William J. Wells? Could it be that arrangements > were made > when she was m. to Calvin to be buried with him and their children? Do > you know > if their is a marker for her? Or just a written record? May be that she > is > not even buried there. > > I found this on the NYGREENE roots web site. > Coxsackie Cemetery > Calvin T. Searles 11 Mar 1831-2 Feb 1870 > Carolie Searles 15 Mar 1832- w/o Calvin T. (nee BROWN) > Susie Searles 20 Dec 1855-22 Jul 1873 "Daughter" > Carrie Searles 12 May 1858-6 Dec 1863 / > Nellie Searles 2 Sep 1862-27 Sep 1863 / Their Children > Ella Searles 2 Sep 1862-25 Oct 1864 / > > Janice >>> > > have you discovered where Caroline is buried? > > > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Over 1400 pages of Greene County information, fully indexed, to help you > find your lost link! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi folks. I will heading to the Vedder at the beginning of April and have some room for some research. Anyone need a will? I do charge a small fee of $5 per will or probate packet plus the copy and postage charges. Just let me know. Sylvia

Sylvia: Do you mean that you believe William I. Wells is the same person as William J. Wells? William I. will is probated June 3, 1872. I am thinking they are different people. A William J. Wells is alive for the 1875 census for Athens. Census of 1875 - Athens Number Last name First name Age Sex Marital Status Race Relationship Birthplace Occupation NAT/Alien Commen 055b Wells William J. 54 Greene Laborer Caroline 43 Wife Greene 055 Syrles (Searles) Libbie 21 S Sister Greene What throws me is that William I. has a son named Christopher and William J. has a son named Christopher. A William J. was m. to a Eleanor Clough and a Caroline Brown. Janice >> Janice, given the marriage info for 1874, census data giving age, I am pretty sure this is the same guy. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <JANB111@aol.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] William I. William J. Wells > The William J. Wells who m. Caroline Brown... is he the William I. Wells? > ?? > WILLIAM I. WELLS of Coxsackie Will Probated June 3, 1872 > Heirs: son, Christopher and grandson William > Executor: son, Christopher > Witnesses: Epenetus Reed and Samuel King

Sylvia: Yes. Interesting that she is with Calvin. No date of death listed. Whatever happened to William J. Wells? Could it be that arrangements were made when she was m. to Calvin to be buried with him and their children? Do you know if their is a marker for her? Or just a written record? May be that she is not even buried there. I found this on the NYGREENE roots web site. Coxsackie Cemetery Calvin T. Searles 11 Mar 1831-2 Feb 1870 Carolie Searles 15 Mar 1832- w/o Calvin T. (nee BROWN) Susie Searles 20 Dec 1855-22 Jul 1873 "Daughter" Carrie Searles 12 May 1858-6 Dec 1863 / Nellie Searles 2 Sep 1862-27 Sep 1863 / Their Children Ella Searles 2 Sep 1862-25 Oct 1864 / Janice >> have you discovered where Caroline is buried?

Janice, given the marriage info for 1874, census data giving age, I am pretty sure this is the same guy. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <JANB111@aol.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:56 PM Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] William I. William J. Wells > The William J. Wells who m. Caroline Brown... is he the William I. Wells? > ?? > WILLIAM I. WELLS of Coxsackie Will Probated June 3, 1872 > Heirs: son, Christopher and grandson William > Executor: son, Christopher > Witnesses: Epenetus Reed and Samuel King > > Here is a William who I believe is William J. who m. Eleanor Clough and > then > Caroline Brown in 1874. > > 1870 Federal Census > 30 June 1870 > William Wells > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820 > Age in 1870: 50 > Birthplace: New York > Home in 1870: Coxsackie, Greene, New York > Race: White > Gender: Male > Post Office: Coxsackie > Roll: M593_940 > Page: 202 > Wells, William 50 NY. laborer > Joseph 18 NY. laborer > ------------------------- > And again... > > 1880 Federal Census > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation > Father's > Birthplace Mother's Birthplace > Mary HERRICK Self W Female W 79 CT Keeping House CT > CT > William WELLS SonL M Male W 60 NY NY NY > Caroline WELLS Dau S Female W 47 NY CT CT > Elizabeth SEARLES GDau S Female W 26 NY NY NY ((see > 1870 Caroline Searles) dau of Caroline nee Brown Searles Wells)) > > Source Information: > Census Place Athens, Greene, New York > Family History Library Film 1254836 > NA Film Number T9-0836 > Page Number 26D > ---------------------------- > Here is son Christopher: > 1870 Federal Census > 30 June 1870 > Christopher Wells > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 > Age in 1870: 26 > Birthplace: New York > Home in 1870: Coxsackie, Greene, New York > Race: White > Gender: Male > Value of real estate: View Image > Post Office: Coxsackie > Roll: M593_940 > Page: 203 > Wells, Christopher 26 NY. boatman > Elsabeth 26 NY. housekeeper > Howard 4 NY. > William H. 1 NY. > ----------------------------------------- > 1880 Federal Census > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation > Father's > Birthplace Mother's Birthplace > Christopher WELLS Self M Male W 36 NY Coachman NY NY > Elizabeth WELLS Wife M Female W 37 NY Keeping House NY > NY > > Howard WELLS Son S Male W 13 NY NY NY > William H. WELLS Son S Male W 11 NY NY NY > > Source Information: > Census Place Coxsackie, Greene, New York > Family History Library Film 1254836 > NA Film Number T9-0836 > Page Number 177B > ---------------------------------------------- > 1910 Federal Census > 11 May 1910 > Christopher Wells > Age in 1910: 65 > Estimated birth year: 1844 > Birthplace: New York > Home in 1910: ATHENS, Greene, New York > Race: White > Gender: Male > Series: T624 > Roll: 950 > Part: 1 > Page: 305A > Wells, Christopher 65 NY. NY. NY. laborer boarder married 40 > yrs. > -------------------------------------------------- > Dialog is welcome, > Janice Brown Buchana > > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, > Wills and so much more! Check us out! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Janice - have you discovered where Caroline is buried? Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:18 PM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Wells family > >Hi Jim. Actually a William Wells married Caroline Brown a daughter of > >David >>Brown and Mary Miller, granddaughter of John Brown and Hannah Schoonmaker. >>Previously he was married to a Elnor ? and had the following children: >>Christopher, abt 1844, Sarah, b. abt 1848, Estella, b. abt 1851, Joseph, >>b. >>abt 1854 > >>From Athens Lutheran marriages: pg. 26, #528, 1843, 2.4. William J. Wells > [wed] Elenor Clow. Witnesses Martin Hallenbeck, Ira Porter. > > She died 4 Sep 1862, buried Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens. He presumably of > this > from Abstracts of Greene Couty Wills: 2:61, William I. Wells of Coxsackie. > Will Probated June 3, 1872. Heirs: son, Christopher and grandson, William. > Executor: son. Witnesses: Epenetus Reed and Samuel King. > > What's your basis for his marriage to Caroline Brown? Maybe that's why I > haven't found his deathdate or gravestone. > > > I don't recognize the other Wells names you mention. There seems to have > been one or more "core" Wells families in the area with other, possibly > unrelated, Wells families moving to the area. > > Jim > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Over 200 Greene County cemeteries fully transcribed - look up your > ancestor! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Sylvia, You sure do have a busy site, good leadership and many followers I do enjoy reading all that comes thru. Do you think that you could find any wills or probates that you could copy for me for either David W. Duncan 1823-1891 dies in Cairo, N.Y. OR ORSON Howard 1806- 1892, brother Moses Howard 1810- 1888 or their father Thomas Howard 1773abt.- 1835. You may recall that you did some research on Thomas and wife Mehibitable. I will be glad to pay $5 each. Many thanks. Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <esi@francomm.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:30 PM Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Research Hi folks. I will heading to the Vedder at the beginning of April and have some room for some research. Anyone need a will? I do charge a small fee of $5 per will or probate packet plus the copy and postage charges. Just let me know. Sylvia ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== 1850 federal census for Prattsville and Windham fully transcribed! Come check us out! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

I agree that more research is needed to clear this up. The will is for a William I. not J. Have you seen the original will to see if it is a 'J' or an 'I'? Interesting the son is Christopher as a heir. >> Nope, haven't seen the underlying will. "I" and "J" were written similarly for many years so I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Even if the will doesn't clear that up, the rest of the paperwork in the probate package should by giving more context. Strange that neither(?) William J. Wells has a gravestone that I can find. Jim ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. Stop on by and find your lost link! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

That's the right Eleanor and the will of her father. In his will he left " to my daughter Rachel, the sum of four hundred dollars, to be paid to her within one year after my decease...[and] one equal undivided half part of all my household furniture, beds, bedsteads, bedding, chairs and other furniture of every description... unto my three daughters Eleanor-wife of William Wells- Sarah Ann-wife of Charles Armstrong- and Catharine-wife of John H. Smith- each the sum of ten dollars, to be paid to each of them within one year after my decease...unto my sons John and Aaron, each the sum of ten dollars, to be paid to each of them within one year after my decease...all the rest residue and remainder of my estate and effects both real and personal, not herein otherwise disposed of - after payment of my debts, legacies and funeral charges - to my son Jacob Clow." -----Original Message----- From: JANB111@aol.com [mailto:JANB111@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:49 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Claw... Clow... Clough... William J & Eleanor Clough Wells info >From the Greene Co. Rootsweb List: I have seen many variations of this name. Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene Co., NY. Stone: M Name: Wells, Eleanor Clough Wife of William J. Born: Oct 3, 1822 Death: Sep 4, 1862 Section: OL Row: 1 Plot: 150 ----------------------- JACOB J. CLAW of Athens Will Probated January 19, 1863 Heirs: daughters, Rachel; Eleanor, wife of William Wells; Sarah Ann, wife of Charles Armstrong; Catharine, wife of John H. Smith; sons, John, Aaron and Jacob. Executors: son, John Claw and John I. Vosburgh Witnesses: Alonzo Greene and Ethan S. Fox ------------------------- ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Over 200 Greene County cemeteries fully transcribed - look up your ancestor! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I agree that more research is needed to clear this up. The will is for a William I. not J. Have you seen the original will to see if it is a 'J' or an 'I'? Interesting the son is Christopher as a heir. Janice >> Interesting. Either I have the incorrect will abstract for this particular William J. Wells and he lived longer and married Caroline Searles (nee Brown)- or - I have the correct will abstract for this William J. Wells who then died before the 3 June 1872 probate date and you need to look for another William J. Wells of the same age as this one!

Interesting. Either I have the incorrect will abstract for this particular William J. Wells and he lived longer and married Caroline Searles (nee Brown)- or - I have the correct will abstract for this William J. Wells who then died before the 3 June 1872 probate date and you need to look for another William J. Wells of the same age as this one! -----Original Message----- From: JANB111@aol.com [mailto:JANB111@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:18 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Wells family Jim.... I hope this helps. Janice Brown Buchanan 1850 Federal Census 17 October 1850 William J Wells Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1821 Birth place: New York Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Coxsackie, Greene, New York Page: 267 Roll: M432_510 Wells, William J. 29 NY. farmer Elanor 27 NY. Christopher 5 NY. Sarah E. 2 NY. ------------------------------------------ 1860 Federal Census 25 July 1960 Wm J Wells Age in 1860: 39 Birthplace: New York Home in 1860: Coxsackie, Greene, New York Gender: Male Value of real estate: View image Post Office: Coxsackie Roll: M653_758 Page: 477 Year: 1860 Head of Household: Wm J Wells Wells, Wm. J. 39 NY. laborer Eleanor 37 NY. Christopher 16 NY. Sarah E. 13 NY. Estella 9 NY. Joseph 6 NY ---------------------------------------------- 1870 Federal Census 30 June 1870 William Wells Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820 Age in 1870: 50 Birthplace: New York Home in 1870: Coxsackie, Greene, New York Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Coxsackie Roll: M593_940 Page: 202 Wells, William 50 NY. laborer Joseph 18 NY. laborer ---------------------------------------- 1880 Federal Census Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Mary HERRICK Self W Female W 79 CT Keeping House CT CT William WELLS SonL M Male W 60 NY NY NY Caroline WELLS Dau S Female W 47 NY CT CT Elizabeth SEARLES GDau S Female W 26 NY NY NY ((see 1870 Caroline Searles) dau of Caroline nee Brown Searles Wells)) Source Information: Census Place Athens, Greene, New York Family History Library Film 1254836 NA Film Number T9-0836 Page Number 26D ----------------------------------------------- 1900 Federal Census 14 June 1900 Caroline Wells (Caroline Brown) Census Microfilm Records: New York Lived in: Athens, Greene County, New York Series: T623 Microfilm: 1038 Book: 2 Page: 36 Wells, Caroline March 1832 69 NY. NY. NY. nurse widow 412/354 Catskill Turnpike Armstrong, Elizabeth February 1854 46 NY. NY. NY. nurse widow ---------------------------------------------- First Reformed Church marriage 1888 Dec 30 Rufus Willard Wells, NY City & Annie May Hallenbeck, Athens First Reformed Church 1874 Feb 5 Wm. J. Wells, Athens & ? Caroline Searles, Athens ($5.00) ------------------------------------------------ Town of Athens Tax Assessment 1889 Copy of the original located at the Vedder Memorial Library and retyped by Arlene Goodwin Names Remarks Dogs Acres Real Personal Total Tax Wells, Caroline house and lot 600 600 5.10 >> From Athens Lutheran marriages: pg. 26, #528, 1843, 2.4. William J. Wells [wed] Elenor Clow. Witnesses Martin Hallenbeck, Ira Porter. She died 4 Sep 1862, buried Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens. He presumably of this from Abstracts of Greene Couty Wills: 2:61, William I. Wells of Coxsackie. Will Probated June 3, 1872. Heirs: son, Christopher and grandson, William. Executor: son. Witnesses: Epenetus Reed and Samuel King. What's your basis for his marriage to Caroline Brown? Maybe that's why I haven't found his deathdate or gravestone. I don't recognize the other Wells names you mention. There seems to have been one or more "core" Wells families in the area with other, possibly unrelated, Wells families moving to the area. ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== 1850 federal census for Prattsville and Windham fully transcribed! Come check us out! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx