I have recently gotten some deeds. A few of them mentioned lots of land that are in the Esperanza Purchase. It is located in Athens.I would like to find a map of that "Purchase" Would anyone know where I could get one? Thank you, Barbara Craddock Researching Briggs, Stone,Raymond ,Mendelsohn and allied families in Albany,Greene,Columbia, Kings and New York Counties

I was alerted to the following article in the Ithaca Journal by the Genealogy Blog <http://www.genealogyblog.com/> website. http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20050616/localnews/2161979.html County pledges marginal fee increase ANDREW TUTINO Journal Staff ITHACA - Though some counties may increase the costs of birth and death certificates to $30 per copy, Tompkins County's increase won't be so significant. If Gov. George Pataki signs a new law that will allow counties to charge up to $30 for each copy of a birth and death certificate, Tompkins County fees will be raised to $15, said Alice Cole, the commissioner of the health department. Cole said the county charges $10 for each birth and death certificate, but it planned to increase the costs to $15 each once the law, which was passed by the Senate on Tuesday, was signed by the governor. Cole said the $30 fee is too much for citizens, but the county wanted to increase the costs somewhat to offset expenses. "Thirty dollars will be really excessive," Cole said. "I don't see $30 in our near future at all." Marjorie Tracy, an Ithaca woman who is a genealogist, said the $30 fee can cause hardship on people searching for vital records. "Raising the price can be a big hindrance for a lot of people," she said. For Tracy, she has had to put off a search to find the death certificate of her great grandfather because she does not know what county he died in. For each three-year window, it would cost her $30 to perform a search in some places even if the certificate is not found. "I don't know where he is," she said. "If you don't know where and when a person died, you can rack up a lot of money in searches." Tompkins, Chemung, Monroe and Onondaga counties were not part of legislation passed two years ago that allowed the state to charge up to $30 per copy of birth and death certificates because each of those counties had its own office of vital records. Monroe received approval to raise its fees a year ago, and Onondaga, Chemung and Tompkins pushed for the new law that would allow them to follow suit. The law, sponsored by state Sen. George Winner, R-53rd District, passed in the Senate on Tuesday by a 60-1 vote. It passed in the Assembly earlier this month 80-59. Once Pataki signs the bill, the counties can increase the fee immediately. Cole said the Tompkins County Board of Health will OK the increase to $15 locally, however, and then give notice to the public that the fees will be increased. "We want to give some people lead time," Cole said. "We want to give the public a notice that we will be making the change." The Health Department budgeted for the increase to $15 for this year. Cole is not sure if the fee will increase in 2006. Gannett News Service contributed to this report.

In a message dated 6/12/2005 2:00:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NYGREENE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I am looking for the family of Sally Fraser who was born about 1784. She married Benjamin Kipp and they settled in the Lexington area. Their daughter, Nancy, who was my ancestor, was born 14 May 1804 Hi Karol - The time frame is right. I don't have a birthyear for my Margaret Fraser/Fraiser but my records show she had her first (that I know about) child in 1799. Linda - formerly from NY but now living in OH

Hi Linda, I am looking for the family of Sally Fraser who was born about 1784. She married Benjamin Kipp and they settled in the Lexington area. Their daughter, Nancy, who was my ancestor, was born 14 May 1804 and baptized through the Prattsville Reformed Church. I think she was the daughter of Benoni Frazee who came from New Jersey with his family after the Revolutionary War. I have found 6 six children for him so far, but think there were more. I have a big hole between 1778 and 1786 into which Sally would fit nicely. The children I have were: Rachel (m. Rappelyea), Eliphalet, Benjamin, Mary (m. Hoagland), Aaron, and Anna. The family settled in the Blenheim area of Schoharie Co. Frazee was spelled in a variety of ways. Would be happy to share with you what I know if this is the right family. Karol

Here's a clarification on how the Surrogate's Court at the Greene County Courthouse in Catskill used to file probate papers prior to their transfer to the Greene County Historical Society's Vedder Memorial Library. The probate packets contained some, though not all, of the following documents -- the original last will and testament, inventory of the estate, newspaper clippings of legal notices listing names and known residences of heirs and legatees, bills from the undertaker and other creditors, etc. The packets contained anywhere from one to hundreds of pages or slips of paper. The oldest, loose probate papers were folded, tied with ribbon, assigned a different number for each estate, and filed in hundreds of narrow, numbered metal boxes. These boxes nearly filled one small room and a ladder was needed to reach some of them. Also in this room were bound books containing the clerk's transcription of each will and statements made by witnesses when the wills were probated. There were also bound books containing Letters Testamentary and Letters of Administration. Newer probate records were placed in numbered file folders in filing cabinets in a different room. The filing cabinets were labeled A through Z and once those were filled, they went back to numbering them. Also in this room were the bound indexes to enable researchers to locate the documents. After the oldest probate papers were transferred to the Greene County Historical Society, they were untied, flattened and placed in file folders. I don't know if they are now filed by surname or by their original box and packet numbers, but it doesn't really matter since patrons do not have access to the files. A member of the library staff now retrieves the file for you. Patricia Morrow, Windham Town Historian (Greene County, NY) >I'm working off memory here, but I think the box/packet way of doing things may have been instituted when the County decided to donate this material to the Historical Society.

In a message dated 6/10/2005 4:03:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, NYGREENE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: If the names are anything to go by, Sally Fraser/Frazee really was Benoni's daughter. No great certainty, but it's a start Hi Karol - We have a FRASIER line that I'm following in Greene County. Might this be the same family as Fraser/Frazee? What time frame are you looking at? Linda in OH

Hi Lance, I'm working off memory here, but I think the box/packet way of doing things may have been instituted when the County decided to donate this material to the Historical Society. That might explain the pattern that you noticed by comparing your work to mine and the Baker/Losee index. In any event, the Society is very helpful for the early records and the clerks at the Surrogate's Office are equally helpful for the later stuff. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Lance Ware [mailto:lance.ware@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:20 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Greene County probate records on LDS film Hi Jim, Thanks for your response. I took a look at the Clow/Clough data and compared it to what I had transcribed from the index (all the Hopkins names from the beginning until 1930 when the index stops). I suspect the box numbers are (at least to some extent) arranged alphabetically by first letter of surname. That would explain why all the Clough records (up until the box numbers switch to letters in about the year 1920 or so) are housed in boxes 63-97, while all the Hopkins records are in boxes 166-212. Same sort of thing with the packet numbers. Comparison with the Baker and Losee will index at the same site fits with this pattern. This, of course, means that the boxes and packets were arranged and numbered after the fact at a later date. I've seen this done in other localities, so it is not unusual. Thanks for your advice. I'll contact the historical society to see if they can send me copies. And, since you've already done it for one surname, I think I'll follow suit and submit my data in the same format for inclusion on the Greene County site. Lance > -----Original Message----- > From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 07:16 PM > To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Greene County probate records on LDS > film > > Lance, > > That box/packet number doesn't look right to me. It doesn't seem to > fit with > what I remember the sequences as being, see the index of Greene > County > Clow/Clough wills: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2/clough_clow_wills_index.htm > > The index refers to all kinds of libers of records, other than the > will > libers, to find individual pieces of information in, but I found > that with > the box/packet number you can get a folder that contains all of the > records > shown in the above. > > In any event, the highest box number I remember was 109 for 1990. > What I > remember of the packet numbers is that they ran in sequence and that > when a > new packet wouldn't fit in a box they would start a new box with the > next > highest number and the packets would continue to increment by one. > If I'm > remembering correctly, the boxes began as numbers, switched to > letters and > then went back to numbers. The packet number sequence may have re- > started at > one, or more, of those switchovers. > > Is this making any sense? > > Looking at the FHL Library Catalog - it's my impression that none of > the > films correspond to the document packets, but refer to libers. If > they do > correspond to the will document packets - I can't discern any > pattern. > > The Greene County Historical Society holds all the early records, up > to > about 1920, or so, and they could help you out for about the same > cost, more > or less, as renting a couple of FHL films. They also have the > indexes in > liber form. > > Later records are still with the County Surrogate in Catskill at the > Courthouse. > > Hope this helps, > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: lance.ware@cox.net [mailto:lance.ware@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:01 PM > To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Greene County probate records on LDS film > > > I found an individual in the General Index, Surrogates Office, > Greene County > (FHL film # 0480085), which gives the following info: > > Lemuel Hopkins, box 167, pkg 4082, letters admin. vol. D, p. 24 > > Now, how do I find the probate records from this? I think I know how > to get > the film for the letters of admin book, but how do I find box 167, > pkg 4082 > to get all the documents? There is another set of FHL films called > Estate > Papers, Greene County, which are cataloged by number, but I'm not > sure if > this number corresponds to the 4082 above. For example, there is FHL > film # > 0480476 for Estate Papers, H, no. 4026-4099. Will this give me pkg > 4082? Or > what film is this on (if any)? > > Does anyone have experience with using these Greene County probate > films > that can tell me how to get what I want? > > Thanks, > Lance > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read > about our > revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in > the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. 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Elisha Tyler's household is listed next to that of Bodwell Huse in the 1790 Census of Freehold (then Albany Co) NY. I believe my 4th great-grandfather Israel Huse was the son of Bodwell (still looking for proof) and Israel married Abigail Tyler in 1792 according to Greenville Presbyterian Church records. Circumstantial evidence points to Phineas (son of David Tyler and Bethia Linsley/Lindsley) as the father of Abigail and I've been looking for his exact connection to Elisha for some time, possibly brother, uncle or cousin. Have you seen the Borthwick papers at the Greene Co website (rootsweb.com/~nygreen2)? He gives some information about the Tylers of Greene County. They came from New Haven Co CT (East Haven and Branford areas). Phineas moved to NY in 1788 and that might be of help to you, if he is closely related to Elisha. The website also contains a lot of information about the Hotchkiss family. For example, Borthwick's Article 11 says, in part: "The region about East Durham was settled by about twenty families from Cheshire and other places near New Haven, Conn., with a sprinkling of Dutch families from the valley of the Hudson among them. Hence we find the names of Robert, George and Samuel Hotchkiss, John, Barnard and Thomas Bagley, Phineas, David and Elisha Tyler, David, Francis, John, and Amos Cleavland, William and James Evory, Obed Hervey, Asa, Simeon and Asahel Jones, a family of Barkleys, Joseph Adams, Col. Ezra Post, a Mr. Boomhover and a Mr. VanLoan, Joel Lindsley, a Mr. Ecklor, and a Mr. Howel. . ." (Written by Joshua G. Borthwick and originally published on July 28, 1883, in the Catskill 'Examiner'. Copy provided by the Durham Center Museum and retyped by Annette Campbell) The Hotchkiss' were from New Haven County CT. They connect to my Wilmot family line of Cheshire, New Haven Co CT, but I haven't found specific links between them and my Tyler/Huse line in Durham yet. In Article 12 of Joshua Borthwick's Papers it says that Amos, son of Robert Hotchkiss, m. Elisha Tyler's daughter Lottie. Article 33 gives more detail about Lemuel Hotchkiss whose relationship to Robert is not given. A few years ago I was in Greene County and took photos of the lovely farm in Durham that was originally owned by some of the Tyler family. I'd be happy to continue discussion offline. Judy Davison From: "Dick Dodge" <rbdodge@sbcglobal.net> Date: 2005/06/10 Fri AM 09:22:10 EDT To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Elisha TYLER I am seeking any information about Elisha TYLER who is in the 1800 census for Freehold, Greene County. I am researching the HOTCHKISS family and have reason to believe that Augustus HOTCHKISS's wife Ann (Anna) is the daughter of Elisha TYLER. According to the 1875 NY state census, Ann was born in Albany County c1797 prior to the time when Greene County was formed in 1800. There are 7 heads of family in Freehold with the surname HOTCHKISS in the 1800 census. I believe that Augustus is the son of one of these families. Any help will be appreciated. Dick Dodge Houston, TX ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Over 150 family bibles of Greene County families on-line now. Track down your lost ancestor! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I am seeking any information about Elisha TYLER who is in the 1800 census for Freehold, Greene County. I am researching the HOTCHKISS family and have reason to believe that Augustus HOTCHKISS's wife Ann (Anna) is the daughter of Elisha TYLER. According to the 1875 NY state census, Ann was born in Albany County c1797 prior to the time when Greene County was formed in 1800. There are 7 heads of family in Freehold with the surname HOTCHKISS in the 1800 census. I believe that Augustus is the son of one of these families. Any help will be appreciated. Dick Dodge Houston, TX

Hi Lance - this is Sylvia Hasenkopf - I run this site and do genealogical research for folks in Greene Co, including the Vedder Library. I'm not sure about the FHL indices, but the probate indices at the Vedder are listed in in 2 big tomes, alphabetically, and then chronoligically within the tomes. They were compiled much later than when the earliest records were produced. These indices include all probate records, wills, Letters of Administration, Guardianship records, inventories and all the other paperwork that is developed with an estate. Some material appears in books of their own (there are will books, guardianship books, letters of administration and a few others) however packets were created that hold all the other paperwork related to the settlement of the deceased's estate. This would include inventories of the estate, appointment of executors by the judge, unclaimed "notes" written by the deceased (hence outstanding debts by the deceased) and many other documents. Not all packets are this detailed - some are quite thick, especially if their is a dispute on the estate, or the person was wealthy and had a complicated will or died intestate (without a will). Other files are simply what was left when this major indexing was done - many early records are not very complete. At the end of every letter (the A's. B's etc) is a miscellaneous file, that has individual pieces of people's probate, so didn't warrant a file packet of their own. This is where I have found many of the very oldest probates for Greene Co) Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Ware" <lance.ware@cox.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:19 PM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Greene County probate records on LDS film > Hi Jim, > > Thanks for your response. I took a look at the Clow/Clough data and > compared it to what I had transcribed from the index (all the Hopkins > names from the beginning until 1930 when the index stops). I suspect the > box numbers are (at least to some extent) arranged alphabetically by > first letter of surname. That would explain why all the Clough records > (up until the box numbers switch to letters in about the year 1920 or > so) are housed in boxes 63-97, while all the Hopkins records are in > boxes 166-212. Same sort of thing with the packet numbers. Comparison > with the Baker and Losee will index at the same site fits with this > pattern. This, of course, means that the boxes and packets were arranged > and numbered after the fact at a later date. I've seen this done in > other localities, so it is not unusual. > > Thanks for your advice. I'll contact the historical society to see if > they can send me copies. > > And, since you've already done it for one surname, I think I'll follow > suit and submit my data in the same format for inclusion on the Greene > County site. > > Lance > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 07:16 PM >> To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Greene County probate records on LDS >> film >> >> Lance, >> >> That box/packet number doesn't look right to me. It doesn't seem to >> fit with >> what I remember the sequences as being, see the index of Greene >> County >> Clow/Clough wills: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2/clough_clow_wills_index.htm >> >> The index refers to all kinds of libers of records, other than the >> will >> libers, to find individual pieces of information in, but I found >> that with >> the box/packet number you can get a folder that contains all of the >> records >> shown in the above. >> >> In any event, the highest box number I remember was 109 for 1990. >> What I >> remember of the packet numbers is that they ran in sequence and that >> when a >> new packet wouldn't fit in a box they would start a new box with the >> next >> highest number and the packets would continue to increment by one. >> If I'm >> remembering correctly, the boxes began as numbers, switched to >> letters and >> then went back to numbers. The packet number sequence may have re- >> started at >> one, or more, of those switchovers. >> >> Is this making any sense? >> >> Looking at the FHL Library Catalog - it's my impression that none of >> the >> films correspond to the document packets, but refer to libers. If >> they do >> correspond to the will document packets - I can't discern any >> pattern. >> >> The Greene County Historical Society holds all the early records, up >> to >> about 1920, or so, and they could help you out for about the same >> cost, more >> or less, as renting a couple of FHL films. They also have the >> indexes in >> liber form. >> >> Later records are still with the County Surrogate in Catskill at the >> Courthouse. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lance.ware@cox.net [mailto:lance.ware@cox.net] >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:01 PM >> To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Greene County probate records on LDS film >> >> >> I found an individual in the General Index, Surrogates Office, >> Greene County >> (FHL film # 0480085), which gives the following info: >> >> Lemuel Hopkins, box 167, pkg 4082, letters admin. vol. D, p. 24 >> >> Now, how do I find the probate records from this? I think I know how >> to get >> the film for the letters of admin book, but how do I find box 167, >> pkg 4082 >> to get all the documents? There is another set of FHL films called >> Estate >> Papers, Greene County, which are cataloged by number, but I'm not >> sure if >> this number corresponds to the 4082 above. For example, there is FHL >> film # >> 0480476 for Estate Papers, H, no. 4026-4099. Will this give me pkg >> 4082? Or >> what film is this on (if any)? >> >> Does anyone have experience with using these Greene County probate >> films >> that can tell me how to get what I want? >> >> Thanks, >> Lance >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read >> about our >> revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in >> the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. 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Lance, That box/packet number doesn't look right to me. It doesn't seem to fit with what I remember the sequences as being, see the index of Greene County Clow/Clough wills: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2/clough_clow_wills_index.htm The index refers to all kinds of libers of records, other than the will libers, to find individual pieces of information in, but I found that with the box/packet number you can get a folder that contains all of the records shown in the above. In any event, the highest box number I remember was 109 for 1990. What I remember of the packet numbers is that they ran in sequence and that when a new packet wouldn't fit in a box they would start a new box with the next highest number and the packets would continue to increment by one. If I'm remembering correctly, the boxes began as numbers, switched to letters and then went back to numbers. The packet number sequence may have re-started at one, or more, of those switchovers. Is this making any sense? Looking at the FHL Library Catalog - it's my impression that none of the films correspond to the document packets, but refer to libers. If they do correspond to the will document packets - I can't discern any pattern. The Greene County Historical Society holds all the early records, up to about 1920, or so, and they could help you out for about the same cost, more or less, as renting a couple of FHL films. They also have the indexes in liber form. Later records are still with the County Surrogate in Catskill at the Courthouse. Hope this helps, Jim -----Original Message----- From: lance.ware@cox.net [mailto:lance.ware@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:01 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Greene County probate records on LDS film I found an individual in the General Index, Surrogates Office, Greene County (FHL film # 0480085), which gives the following info: Lemuel Hopkins, box 167, pkg 4082, letters admin. vol. D, p. 24 Now, how do I find the probate records from this? I think I know how to get the film for the letters of admin book, but how do I find box 167, pkg 4082 to get all the documents? There is another set of FHL films called Estate Papers, Greene County, which are cataloged by number, but I’m not sure if this number corresponds to the 4082 above. For example, there is FHL film # 0480476 for Estate Papers, H, no. 4026-4099. Will this give me pkg 4082? Or what film is this on (if any)? Does anyone have experience with using these Greene County probate films that can tell me how to get what I want? Thanks, Lance ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read about our revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Jim, Thanks for your response. I took a look at the Clow/Clough data and compared it to what I had transcribed from the index (all the Hopkins names from the beginning until 1930 when the index stops). I suspect the box numbers are (at least to some extent) arranged alphabetically by first letter of surname. That would explain why all the Clough records (up until the box numbers switch to letters in about the year 1920 or so) are housed in boxes 63-97, while all the Hopkins records are in boxes 166-212. Same sort of thing with the packet numbers. Comparison with the Baker and Losee will index at the same site fits with this pattern. This, of course, means that the boxes and packets were arranged and numbered after the fact at a later date. I've seen this done in other localities, so it is not unusual. Thanks for your advice. I'll contact the historical society to see if they can send me copies. And, since you've already done it for one surname, I think I'll follow suit and submit my data in the same format for inclusion on the Greene County site. Lance > -----Original Message----- > From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 07:16 PM > To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Greene County probate records on LDS > film > > Lance, > > That box/packet number doesn't look right to me. It doesn't seem to > fit with > what I remember the sequences as being, see the index of Greene > County > Clow/Clough wills: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2/clough_clow_wills_index.htm > > The index refers to all kinds of libers of records, other than the > will > libers, to find individual pieces of information in, but I found > that with > the box/packet number you can get a folder that contains all of the > records > shown in the above. > > In any event, the highest box number I remember was 109 for 1990. > What I > remember of the packet numbers is that they ran in sequence and that > when a > new packet wouldn't fit in a box they would start a new box with the > next > highest number and the packets would continue to increment by one. > If I'm > remembering correctly, the boxes began as numbers, switched to > letters and > then went back to numbers. The packet number sequence may have re- > started at > one, or more, of those switchovers. > > Is this making any sense? > > Looking at the FHL Library Catalog - it's my impression that none of > the > films correspond to the document packets, but refer to libers. If > they do > correspond to the will document packets - I can't discern any > pattern. > > The Greene County Historical Society holds all the early records, up > to > about 1920, or so, and they could help you out for about the same > cost, more > or less, as renting a couple of FHL films. They also have the > indexes in > liber form. > > Later records are still with the County Surrogate in Catskill at the > Courthouse. > > Hope this helps, > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: lance.ware@cox.net [mailto:lance.ware@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:01 PM > To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Greene County probate records on LDS film > > > I found an individual in the General Index, Surrogates Office, > Greene County > (FHL film # 0480085), which gives the following info: > > Lemuel Hopkins, box 167, pkg 4082, letters admin. vol. D, p. 24 > > Now, how do I find the probate records from this? I think I know how > to get > the film for the letters of admin book, but how do I find box 167, > pkg 4082 > to get all the documents? There is another set of FHL films called > Estate > Papers, Greene County, which are cataloged by number, but I'm not > sure if > this number corresponds to the 4082 above. For example, there is FHL > film # > 0480476 for Estate Papers, H, no. 4026-4099. Will this give me pkg > 4082? Or > what film is this on (if any)? > > Does anyone have experience with using these Greene County probate > films > that can tell me how to get what I want? > > Thanks, > Lance > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read > about our > revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in > the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. Stop on > by and find your lost link! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I found an individual in the General Index, Surrogates Office, Greene County (FHL film # 0480085), which gives the following info: Lemuel Hopkins, box 167, pkg 4082, letters admin. vol. D, p. 24 Now, how do I find the probate records from this? I think I know how to get the film for the letters of admin book, but how do I find box 167, pkg 4082 to get all the documents? There is another set of FHL films called Estate Papers, Greene County, which are cataloged by number, but I’m not sure if this number corresponds to the 4082 above. For example, there is FHL film # 0480476 for Estate Papers, H, no. 4026-4099. Will this give me pkg 4082? Or what film is this on (if any)? Does anyone have experience with using these Greene County probate films that can tell me how to get what I want? Thanks, Lance

Looking for information on Lemuel HOPKINS (b. 1768, d. 1832) who lived in Greenville ca. 1796 to 1832. He came from Carmel, Putnam Co., NY about 1796. He married first 1790 in Red Mills Presbyterian Church, Carmel (Mahopac Falls), Putnam Co., NY, Eunice (BARRETT) GOLDEN, widow of Coles GOLDEN. They were admitted to Greenville Presbyterian Church in 1796. Eunice evidently died sometime before 1800, and he married second Huldah ___. He had the following children baptized in Greenville Presb. Church: Eunice (1800), Isaac (1802), Polly Betsey (1804), James Harvey (1806), Rufus Burrett (1808), Harriet (1811), George (1813), ___ (Mary?) (1815), Caroline Esther (1817), Eliza Jane (1819), Elias (1822). Lemuel HOPKINS may have had additional children by first marriage, including Alvah (b. ca. 1796) and Barzilla (married Polly HITCHCOCK of Durham in 1818), who also appear in the church records at Greenville. Lemuel Hopkins died in 1832, and his widow Huldah married ___ TRYON ca. 1835.! Both are buried in Locust Hill Cemetery in Greenville. Alvah HOPKINS became a member of Greenville Presb. Church in 1816 and was dismissed in 1820. He moved at about that time to Wales, Erie Co., NY, where he married Susanna DAVIS. He also served in the War of 1812. My main goal is to try to connect Alvah HOPKINS to Lemuel HOPKINS. Also, I’d like to determine the parents of Lemuel HOPKINS. Anyone who may have additional info on these people, or can suggest where I might look next, I’d much appreciate the help. Lance Ware Mesa, Arizona

The Windham Journal, weekly newspaper published at Windham, Greene County, New York, issue of Thursday, April 25, 1867: Death of an Inventor. The Scientific American says:--We regret to announce the death of William Bullock, of Pennsylvania, well known as the inventor of the Bullock newspaper press, by which both sides of the sheet are simultaneously printed. His death was the result of an accident. A few days ago while superintending the adjustment of one of his new machines at the Ledger office, Philadelphia, his foot was crushed by a belt. Amputation became necessary, with fatal result. We have been kindly furnished by a subscriber, with the following sketch:--Mr. Bullock was originally from this county, and, we think, a native of Greenville; being, by trade, a Carpenter. He was for a number of years, employed by his brother in the Catskill Furnace, where it was owned and carried on by Griggs & Bullock. Afterwards he became connected with Burton G. Morss, and started a Foundry in Ashland, which was subsequently removed to Red Falls. Since then, he has been located in Prattsville, Red Falls and Catskill; in the first and last named places, he was occupied in the publication of News-Papers. For a number of years, he has, we believe, been employed under the patronage of Mr. Calvin Adams, formerly of Oak-Hill, in getting up a variety of inventions, among which he perfected a self-feeding machine for Power Presses, also the Press spoken of above, at which he has been engaged five or six years. Patricia Morrow, Windham Town Historian (Greene County, NY)

Very cool - happy hunting! Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <KarolHugh@aol.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:21 AM Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: NYGREENE-D Digest V05 #131 > Sylvia, > > That is fantastic!! Not only to have the cemetery listing for Benjamin and > Sally, but the first real tie b/w Sally and Benoni Frazee!. I've been > trying to > work out a connection with him and just haven't been able to find it. If > the > names are anything to go by, Sally Fraser/Frazee really was Benoni's > daughter. No great certainty, but it's a start. Thank you! > > Karol > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Moving in and Moving on - Greene County's Migrations Database - add your > families now and make the connection! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Sylvia, That is fantastic!! Not only to have the cemetery listing for Benjamin and Sally, but the first real tie b/w Sally and Benoni Frazee!. I've been trying to work out a connection with him and just haven't been able to find it. If the names are anything to go by, Sally Fraser/Frazee really was Benoni's daughter. No great certainty, but it's a start. Thank you! Karol

Karol, I have retranscribed the Lexington Cemetery (the main one) as I was told that the transcription online at Tracing your Roots was not complete. I am in the midst of typing it up for posting on the site, and noticed quite a few Kipps. Here are a few: Corydon Kipp and wife Lucinda Decker Isaac Kipp and wife Nancy Van Hosen and son Leroy Alpheus Kipp Benjamin Kipp and wife Sally and son Benona (BINGO!) Probably more - not finished yet typing it up. Not sure this will hit the website before I head to Europe on vacation (we'll be gone a month) This is the Lexington Cemetery - section 2. Facing the cemetery this is the section on the far right at the back. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <KarolHugh@aol.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Ford/Kipp sites in Lexington >I have the chance to take a quick drive thru Greene Co in late July and >want > to visit a couple of family sites. I'm descended from Joel and Mary Ford > thru their son Philo and also from Benjamin and Sally Kipp thru their > daughter > Nancy. Can anyone tell me where they are buried? Or where they lived? I > saw on > a map that there is a Kipp Hill northwest of Lexington. Is it safe to > assume > the Kipps lived in that area? Did the Fords live in that direction, too? > I > checked Sylvia's Lexington cemeteries and didn't see what I was looking > for. > > Unfortunately there is no time for research, but at least I'll be able to > say I've been there. We're adding a day to vacation so my husband can see > Hyde > Park and I get to Greene Co. > > Thanks for any help or suggestions. > > Karol > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Thanks, Sylvia, But I have to say, "oops". The Fords were buried in Lexington Cemetery, actually have it in my data base. It's the Kipps I can't find. I'll keep looking around. Karol

Hi all, I am new to this list but I am hoping that someone may have pictures of the old "Catskill Beer Garden" that was located at 428 West Main Street in Catskill. The main building burned down in August 1975. I would be happy to reimburse anyone or buy them from you. Keeping my fingers crossed, Pam Ward