There is a Jos. Hollenbeck in Athens in 1860 (family #3621): Jos. Hollenbeck, 38, b. NY Labourer Jane 59, b. NY William 34, b. NY Labourer Abner 33, b. NY Labourer This family lived near (family #3624): Jacob Clough, 56 Sarah 54 Lewis 18 Nathan 15 Estella 12 There is also a Mary Hollenbeck family, including a 14 yr. old Mary, living in Coxsackie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etta Benedict" <e.benedict@comcast.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. > Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I > referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 > census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. > > Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs > was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother > died maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her > living with the Cloughs at the age of 4. > We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to > have dropped off the face of the earth. > > We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John > Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak > Hill, NY. No mother was listed. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. > Thanks, Etta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > > >> That's kind of hard to answer because your info isn't specific enough, >> i.e., >> which John and Hannah Clough couple is this - do you have their ages or >> something else to better identify them? >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Etta Benedict [mailto:e.benedict@comcast.net] >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:12 PM >> To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough >> >> >> Has anyone a connection between this two families. Had a grandmother >> (Mary >> Hollenbeck) born in OakHill, 1845, >> father Joseph. Can't find any info on Joseph or spouse. Found a Mary >> Hollenbeck, 5 years old in 1850, living with John and Hannah Clough >> family >> in the 1850 Athens Census. Don't know of the Cloughs were relatives or >> not. >> Any info would be >> appreciated. Dottie Golden/Etta Benedict >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, >> Wills and so much more! Check us out! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read about > our revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Janice - have you ever checked to see if your Brown has any connection to the Browns in the Beekman Patent across the river ? I have Browns in Greene County - Stace -for one buried in Coxsackie - He is the son of Josiah Brown - who is in the Beaches Corners Cemetery. My Browns were in that little corner of Dutchess County that once was a part of Putnam and perhaps Westchester before Greene County and before that in No. Salem - Westchester. As for years - my GGG Grandfather Melvin Brown - son of Josiah was born in 1772 (baptised Christ Church, No Salem) I found some very interesting notes in the information on the settlers of the Beekman Patent - saying that my Josiah - was the son of a Hackaliah - I know that my Josiah was from a large family and I don't have a lot - ok - almost none - information on his family - You might look at those books and see what you can find - good luck, Mark Brown JANB111@aol.com wrote: > also in Coxsackie > John David BROWN who m. Mary MILLER and she later m. Martin HERRICK. They > removed to Columbia Co., NY. > MILLER > Hannah SHOEMAKER or SCHOONMAKER, mother of John David BROWN > > Janice Brown Buchanan > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Moving in and Moving on - Greene County's Migrations Database - add your > families now and make the connection! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Carol Heap, As requested. Cliff Hayes > > >> If you have dates and locations for any items ** in New York State that >> are usually in the local papers, you can use the internet to visit the >> web site and arrange through your local library to borrow or rent papers >> that would likely have information on the matters you are interested in: >> (** Such as births, deaths, marriages, disasters, murders, etc., etc.) >> New York State Public Library Newspaper Collection >> >> The New York State Public Library in Albany, New York has a vast >> collection of the newspapers published in the State going back into the 1800s or further. You can reach it's Web Site at http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/. I believe you can read the index of papers and dates that they have in the collection, listed by County and, within county, by locality. Microfilm copies of the actual papers are available through interlibrary loan through your local library. I understand that this service is free to New York State residents; for others, even us Texans, there is a nominal fee. .

Ooops, Forgot about Charlotte A. Pelton (b. 1838) who died 7 months into marriage in Athens Reformed Church to Malachi Garrison.

Yes, you right, Jim. Elizabeth "Lizzie" Plank was the daughter of Martha T. Story of Catskill and Sanford Decker Plank of Leeds. I am researching the Storys of Catskill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > Hi Leslie, > > I was going to correct you prior e-mail when this one came in. Maggie > Clough > was the adopted daughter of Jeremiah E. Clough and is mentioned in his > will > as posted on Sylvia's website. I'm not sure who her parents were, but I > think they were also Cloughs or Clows. > > Who was the Lizzie Plank that married Ross? I thought I saw her mother > Martha T. with her in the 1905 Athens census. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leslie [mailto:lwgrauer@shaw.ca] > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:36 AM > To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > > > Let me try this again correctly. I have a Maggie Clough (b. 1847- ?) m. > Jacob VAN VALKENBURGH (c. 1877-1947). I am not researching the families in > depth - just have a PLANK descendent of interest to married their son > Ross. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Etta Benedict" <e.benedict@comcast.net> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:49 PM > Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > > >> Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. >> Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I >> referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 >> census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. >> >> Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and >> Cloughs >> was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother >> died maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her >> living with the Cloughs at the age of 4. >> We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to >> have dropped off the face of the earth. >> >> We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John >> Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak >> Hill, NY. No mother was listed. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. >> Thanks, Etta >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> >> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:41 PM >> Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough >> >> >>> That's kind of hard to answer because your info isn't specific enough, >>> i.e., >>> which John and Hannah Clough couple is this - do you have their ages or >>> something else to better identify them? >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Etta Benedict [mailto:e.benedict@comcast.net] >>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:12 PM >>> To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough >>> >>> >>> Has anyone a connection between this two families. Had a grandmother >>> (Mary >>> Hollenbeck) born in OakHill, 1845, >>> father Joseph. Can't find any info on Joseph or spouse. Found a Mary >>> Hollenbeck, 5 years old in 1850, living with John and Hannah Clough >>> family >>> in the 1850 Athens Census. Don't know of the Cloughs were relatives or >>> not. >>> Any info would be >>> appreciated. Dottie Golden/Etta Benedict >>> >>> >>> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >>> Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, >>> Wills and so much more! Check us out! >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >>> >>> ============================== >>> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >>> Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Sara Garner Have you checked out the name Gardner or Gardener? ----- Original Message ----- From: <gadgetsmom@aol.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Roll Call - Athens - EXPANDED INFO on Hollenbeck, Van Loan, Clough/Clow & Van Hoesen > Jim and all: > > I am attempting to find the correct linage for three families lines all > originating in Athens and ending up in the Stockbridge/Great Barrington, > Berkshire County, MA, i.e., Van Hoesen, Van Loan, and Hollenbeck. I have > provided detailed information below to shw how these families connect > together in the Berkshire area: > > VAN HOESEN: > I have a Polly Van Hoesen, born 1796, married to Henry E. Clow in 1815 > (Jim you have previously provided Heny Clow's linage to me and I thank you > for that information), however, I have still not been able to confirm > Polly?s (Mary) lineage. > > I did find some research on http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > (by rosecrow_12871@yahoo.com) who apparently has some personal family > documents that references Polly Van Hoesen's parents as: > > Jacob G. VAN HOESEN was born 28 Feb 1756 in NY, USA, and died 28 NOV 1809 > in NY, USA. He married SARAH GARNER. She was born 1752? in NY, USA, and > died 25 SEPT 1842 in NY, USA. . > > However, I have not been able to confirm this information anywhere. Does > anyone have anything on Sara Garner or any other parentage information for > Polly (Van Hoesen) Clow? > > VAN LOAN: > I descend directly from Polly & Henry Clow?s daughter, Elizabeth Clough > (born in Athens1823 & died in Stockbridge, MA1902) she married Jeremiah > Van Loan (born in Athens.1829 & died in Great Barrington, MA in 1864 @ age > 35). The death register for Jeremiah from the Boston Archives (also found > on Newenglandancestors.org,) indicates his parents are Ethan & Mary. > However, Sylvia has done some research for me and does not think "Ethan" > is a correct reference. Jim you also have indicated that this doesn't > not appear to be a correct name. I?m attempting to obtain a copy of the > original register in Great Barrington to compare since the register at the > Boston Archives is a hand written copy of the original. Jeremiah and > Elizabeth had four children: Annette (married Abraham/Abram Hollenbeck), > Jacob Henry, William Henry (married Rosa Decker) and Jeremiah aka > Jerry/Jerre (married Buhla Wilson). The linage for Jeremiah's (senior) > Van Loan has remained very elusive and if anyone! > has anything on this guy I would appreciate it. > > HOLLENBECK: > Elizabeth (Clough) & Jeremiah Van Loan's daughter, Annette, married > Abraham Hollebeck in 1865 in Great Barrington. I believe his parents were > George and Helena (Everts) but have not been able to find this family in > any of the census for NY or MA. I have very little on Abraham Hollenbeck, > does anyone have anything on him? > > If anyone has anything to contribute, informatin or suggestions, I would > greatly appreciate it. > > Joan Swaney > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Brady <brady.j@att.net> > To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:20:54 -0500 > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Roll Call - Athens? - Hollenbeck, Van Loan, > Clough &Van Hoesen > > > In Athens: Hollenbeck, Van Loan, Clough & Van Hoesen > > Hmm. Possibly the four most prevalent Athens families in the 1700's and > early 1800's. I think I know what you're looking for as we have discussed > this, but it's probably a good idea to be more specific for the list. > > Anybody else have an interest in these families too? They're so large that > they are hard to follow. Here's a perfect example of where many eyes on > the > problem might be able to stitch together little pieces of these families > into something bigger. The part you have may be the part that somebody > else > is missing. > > Jim > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Over 1400 pages of Greene County information, fully indexed, to help you > find your lost link! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Jim, I can attest to the 'farming out' of children in the area. There were no local orphanages so adoption was the only available answer to parentless children. A case in point occurred in my family line in my paternal grandmother died in 1914 leaving my grandfather Herman with 6 young children. He found them all homes with other residents in the area, my father Raymond was raised by Arthur King and his wife on a farm in Coxsackie. This was a common practice that we researchers need to be aware of. Ron Waldron - Elder Member Of An Ancient Warrior Class - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > Hi Etta, > Thanks for being more specific, now I know which couple you mean. > Unfortunately, I've looked at that Clough couple and their children before > and haven't been able to figure out how they fit into the Clow/Clough > family, so I can't tell if there is a Hallenbeck connection with the wife. > > I haven't done much work in the Oak Hill area, but in looking through my > database I can't find a Joseph Hallenbeck born before 1845. I also can't > find a suitable Mary Hallenbeck even after adding a quick scan of the Oak > Hill DRC records on Sylvia's website. > > I have noticed that some of the Hallenbecks who came to Oak Hill after the > Rev War were from the Columbia County branch of the family. I'm not as > familiar with them. > > You seem to have one of those genealogical clues that we all hate. One > that > leads nowhere when read literally. Some ideas you may have already thought > of - Joseph wasn't the father's name - there were Jochims and such in the > Hallenbeck lines, maybe it was anglicized? Maybe she wasn't born at Oak > Hill, but moved there at an early age? > > I'm curious if anyone has any ideas about apparently unrelated children > showing up with other families in the mid-1800 censuses. Sometimes it's > clear that they are related, other times I have to wonder if the > neighbors, > being good neighbors, just took them in after their parents died. I've > wondered if some of this may have been child-care arrangements when > parents > were away on travel. > > Without knowing that there was a family connection I don't see how an Oak > Hill child would have wound up in Athens. > > > Jim > > > ---- > > > Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. > Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I > referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 > census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. > > Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs > was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother > died > maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her living > with > the Cloughs at the age of 4. > We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to > have > dropped off the face of the earth. > > We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John > Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak > Hill, NY. No mother was listed. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. > Thanks, Etta > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

In Athens, I have the following families although they also moved to/from other places. BROOKS Tons of Brooks in Athens. The connections are easy to see in some, tougher in others. Which ones? BROWN I see a few here. BRYANT I don't see any in my database. CHURCH Some of them. COON Them too. GREENE Ditto. HALENBECK Who doen't have Hallenbecks? KIPP I think they snuck in from the Albany area and added an extra p to the name. MERRITT REED I tend to think of the Reeds as a Coxsackkie family, no? SNYDER VAN VLECK VOSBURGH Lots of Vosburghs. They seem to have arrived early on from Columbia County. Jim (These include married into lines) Colleen Maresca maresca@gru.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <NYGREENE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NYGREENE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: NYGREENE-D Digest V06 #3 ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, Wills and so much more! Check us out! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Jim and all: I am attempting to find the correct linage for three families lines all originating in Athens and ending up in the Stockbridge/Great Barrington, Berkshire County, MA, i.e., Van Hoesen, Van Loan, and Hollenbeck. I have provided detailed information below to shw how these families connect together in the Berkshire area: VAN HOESEN: I have a Polly Van Hoesen, born 1796, married to Henry E. Clow in 1815 (Jim you have previously provided Heny Clow's linage to me and I thank you for that information), however, I have still not been able to confirm Polly?s (Mary) lineage. I did find some research on http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ (by rosecrow_12871@yahoo.com) who apparently has some personal family documents that references Polly Van Hoesen's parents as: Jacob G. VAN HOESEN was born 28 Feb 1756 in NY, USA, and died 28 NOV 1809 in NY, USA. He married SARAH GARNER. She was born 1752? in NY, USA, and died 25 SEPT 1842 in NY, USA. . However, I have not been able to confirm this information anywhere. Does anyone have anything on Sara Garner or any other parentage information for Polly (Van Hoesen) Clow? VAN LOAN: I descend directly from Polly & Henry Clow?s daughter, Elizabeth Clough (born in Athens1823 & died in Stockbridge, MA1902) she married Jeremiah Van Loan (born in Athens.1829 & died in Great Barrington, MA in 1864 @ age 35). The death register for Jeremiah from the Boston Archives (also found on Newenglandancestors.org,) indicates his parents are Ethan & Mary. However, Sylvia has done some research for me and does not think "Ethan" is a correct reference. Jim you also have indicated that this doesn't not appear to be a correct name. I?m attempting to obtain a copy of the original register in Great Barrington to compare since the register at the Boston Archives is a hand written copy of the original. Jeremiah and Elizabeth had four children: Annette (married Abraham/Abram Hollenbeck), Jacob Henry, William Henry (married Rosa Decker) and Jeremiah aka Jerry/Jerre (married Buhla Wilson). The linage for Jeremiah's (senior) Van Loan has remained very elusive and if anyone! has anything on this guy I would appreciate it. HOLLENBECK: Elizabeth (Clough) & Jeremiah Van Loan's daughter, Annette, married Abraham Hollebeck in 1865 in Great Barrington. I believe his parents were George and Helena (Everts) but have not been able to find this family in any of the census for NY or MA. I have very little on Abraham Hollenbeck, does anyone have anything on him? If anyone has anything to contribute, informatin or suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. Joan Swaney -----Original Message----- From: James Brady <brady.j@att.net> To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:20:54 -0500 Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Roll Call - Athens? - Hollenbeck, Van Loan, Clough &Van Hoesen In Athens: Hollenbeck, Van Loan, Clough & Van Hoesen Hmm. Possibly the four most prevalent Athens families in the 1700's and early 1800's. I think I know what you're looking for as we have discussed this, but it's probably a good idea to be more specific for the list. Anybody else have an interest in these families too? They're so large that they are hard to follow. Here's a perfect example of where many eyes on the problem might be able to stitch together little pieces of these families into something bigger. The part you have may be the part that somebody else is missing. Jim ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Leslie, I was going to correct you prior e-mail when this one came in. Maggie Clough was the adopted daughter of Jeremiah E. Clough and is mentioned in his will as posted on Sylvia's website. I'm not sure who her parents were, but I think they were also Cloughs or Clows. Who was the Lizzie Plank that married Ross? I thought I saw her mother Martha T. with her in the 1905 Athens census. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Leslie [mailto:lwgrauer@shaw.ca] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:36 AM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough Let me try this again correctly. I have a Maggie Clough (b. 1847- ?) m. Jacob VAN VALKENBURGH (c. 1877-1947). I am not researching the families in depth - just have a PLANK descendent of interest to married their son Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etta Benedict" <e.benedict@comcast.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. > Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I > referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 > census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. > > Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs > was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother > died maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her > living with the Cloughs at the age of 4. > We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to > have dropped off the face of the earth. > > We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John > Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak > Hill, NY. No mother was listed. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. > Thanks, Etta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > > >> That's kind of hard to answer because your info isn't specific enough, >> i.e., >> which John and Hannah Clough couple is this - do you have their ages or >> something else to better identify them? >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Etta Benedict [mailto:e.benedict@comcast.net] >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:12 PM >> To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough >> >> >> Has anyone a connection between this two families. Had a grandmother >> (Mary >> Hollenbeck) born in OakHill, 1845, >> father Joseph. Can't find any info on Joseph or spouse. Found a Mary >> Hollenbeck, 5 years old in 1850, living with John and Hannah Clough >> family >> in the 1850 Athens Census. Don't know of the Cloughs were relatives or >> not. >> Any info would be >> appreciated. Dottie Golden/Etta Benedict >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, >> Wills and so much more! Check us out! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read about > our revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Moving in and Moving on - Greene County's Migrations Database - add your families now and make the connection! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Etta, Thanks for being more specific, now I know which couple you mean. Unfortunately, I've looked at that Clough couple and their children before and haven't been able to figure out how they fit into the Clow/Clough family, so I can't tell if there is a Hallenbeck connection with the wife. I haven't done much work in the Oak Hill area, but in looking through my database I can't find a Joseph Hallenbeck born before 1845. I also can't find a suitable Mary Hallenbeck even after adding a quick scan of the Oak Hill DRC records on Sylvia's website. I have noticed that some of the Hallenbecks who came to Oak Hill after the Rev War were from the Columbia County branch of the family. I'm not as familiar with them. You seem to have one of those genealogical clues that we all hate. One that leads nowhere when read literally. Some ideas you may have already thought of - Joseph wasn't the father's name - there were Jochims and such in the Hallenbeck lines, maybe it was anglicized? Maybe she wasn't born at Oak Hill, but moved there at an early age? I'm curious if anyone has any ideas about apparently unrelated children showing up with other families in the mid-1800 censuses. Sometimes it's clear that they are related, other times I have to wonder if the neighbors, being good neighbors, just took them in after their parents died. I've wondered if some of this may have been child-care arrangements when parents were away on travel. Without knowing that there was a family connection I don't see how an Oak Hill child would have wound up in Athens. Jim ---- Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother died maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her living with the Cloughs at the age of 4. We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak Hill, NY. No mother was listed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. Thanks, Etta

Have you seen the 1850 census? There was a Philo Snyder in Durham, age 14. He was the son of Philip (47) and Margaret (48 and deaf). No sign of triplets. But siblings were Betsy, 17, Nelson, 9, Demeris, 6, Enos E., 3, and Caroline, 1. There was also a John in the household, age 23.

James and all One vote for. As Oak Hill [a larger part of Durham] and Newman [and other unknown family names] should have long lists, but no one seems to be looking there. I'll be happy to wait my turn, so on with the show, I'll follow as we go. Thanks all. Roger A. Newman ---- James Brady <brady.j@att.net> wrote: > Since the last roll call back in September I've been wondering if there was > any interest on the part of members of this list to do a > geographically-based roll call. > > My thinking here is that throwing out lists of names can match people up > pretty easily with other researchers working on the same surnames, but it > doesn't help people whose family links may be obscured by things like > missing wives' surnames. Some (most?) of us are probably pretty good at > scanning indexes for surnames and yet miss things on our families that > somebody researching another family might have. Anyway, families did seem to > have a geographic concentration, or a home base, before spreading out later, > that might help in figuring out some inter-family connections. > > If there's an interest, I would suggest, as the title above shows, that we > start with Athens, move to the other towns on the river and then work our > way inland, like I suspect the population did. > > Somebody want to toss in an Athens family name to start it off? Or should I? > > Jim Brady > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. Stop on by and find your lost link! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I am looking for Snyders I am looking for a Philo Snyder born around 1836 was suppose to be one of triplets, the other 2 where named Philip and Philander. Philo fought in the Civil War and was born in Catskills. No one knows if it's the town or the mountains. I have the only Philo Snyder's Civil War records but it doesn't have any family info or place of birth. He married Catherine Mabie (not sure of the spelling) and had Ashley in Sep 1857 in Greene County. By 1860 census Catherine and Ashley where living in Demark, Lewis County. Catherine remarried by 1860 to a Johnson. The 1865 census list Ashley as born in Greene County, and Catherine born in Albany County. I have no idea if Philo died or what happened to him. I think he may be from Philip Snyder and Margaret Snyder's family, but that's just a guess -----Original Message----- From: Maresca [mailto:maresca@gru.net] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:42 AM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens In Athens, I have the following families although they also moved to/from other places. BROOKS BROWN BRYANT CHURCH COON GREENE HALENBECK KIPP MERRITT REED SNYDER VAN VLECK VOSBURGH (These include married into lines) Colleen Maresca maresca@gru.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <NYGREENE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NYGREENE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: NYGREENE-D Digest V06 #3 ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, Wills and so much more! Check us out! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

also in Coxsackie John David BROWN who m. Mary MILLER and she later m. Martin HERRICK. They removed to Columbia Co., NY. MILLER Hannah SHOEMAKER or SCHOONMAKER, mother of John David BROWN Janice Brown Buchanan

In Athens, I have the following families although they also moved to/from other places. BROOKS BROWN BRYANT CHURCH COON GREENE HALENBECK KIPP MERRITT REED SNYDER VAN VLECK VOSBURGH (These include married into lines) Colleen Maresca maresca@gru.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <NYGREENE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NYGREENE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: NYGREENE-D Digest V06 #3

Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother died maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her living with the Cloughs at the age of 4. We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak Hill, NY. No mother was listed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. Thanks, Etta ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > That's kind of hard to answer because your info isn't specific enough, > i.e., > which John and Hannah Clough couple is this - do you have their ages or > something else to better identify them? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Etta Benedict [mailto:e.benedict@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:12 PM > To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > > > Has anyone a connection between this two families. Had a grandmother > (Mary > Hollenbeck) born in OakHill, 1845, > father Joseph. Can't find any info on Joseph or spouse. Found a Mary > Hollenbeck, 5 years old in 1850, living with John and Hannah Clough family > in the 1850 Athens Census. Don't know of the Cloughs were relatives or > not. > Any info would be > appreciated. Dottie Golden/Etta Benedict > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, > Wills and so much more! Check us out! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Let me try this again correctly. I have a Maggie Clough (b. 1847- ?) m. Jacob VAN VALKENBURGH (c. 1877-1947). I am not researching the families in depth - just have a PLANK descendent of interest to married their son Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Etta Benedict" <e.benedict@comcast.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > Jim, Thanks so much for your prompt reply. > Sorry I was so nebulous. Sometimes I talk in shorthand. The Coughs I > referred to are John age 44, and Hannah aged 42. They are in the 1850 > census of Athens, Greene County, NY on 13 Sep 1850. Sheet # 107. > > Trying to find out what the connection between the Hollenbecks and Cloughs > was. Silly of me, I know, but I am assuming Mary Hollenbeck's mother > died maybe in childbirth. It is the only explanation I have for her > living with the Cloughs at the age of 4. > We have never found the name of the mother. Joseph Hollenbeck seems to > have dropped off the face of the earth. > > We have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary E Hollenbeck and John > Swetland. It lists her father as Joseph Hollenbeck. She was born in Oak > Hill, NY. No mother was listed. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. This is our biggest brick wall. > Thanks, Etta > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:41 PM > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough > > >> That's kind of hard to answer because your info isn't specific enough, >> i.e., >> which John and Hannah Clough couple is this - do you have their ages or >> something else to better identify them? >> >> Jim >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Etta Benedict [mailto:e.benedict@comcast.net] >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:12 PM >> To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Hollenbeck/Clough >> >> >> Has anyone a connection between this two families. Had a grandmother >> (Mary >> Hollenbeck) born in OakHill, 1845, >> father Joseph. Can't find any info on Joseph or spouse. Found a Mary >> Hollenbeck, 5 years old in 1850, living with John and Hannah Clough >> family >> in the 1850 Athens Census. Don't know of the Cloughs were relatives or >> not. >> Any info would be >> appreciated. Dottie Golden/Etta Benedict >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, >> Wills and so much more! Check us out! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== >> Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read about > our revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

I have a Maggie Clough (b. 1847- ?) m. Ross VAN VALKENBURGH (c. 1877-1947) I am not researching the families in depth - just have a PLANK descendent of interest to marrive their son. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Roll Call - Athens? - Hollenbeck, Van Loan, Clough &Van Hoesen > In Athens: Hollenbeck, Van Loan, Clough & Van Hoesen > > Hmm. Possibly the four most prevalent Athens families in the 1700's and > early 1800's. I think I know what you're looking for as we have discussed > this, but it's probably a good idea to be more specific for the list. > > Anybody else have an interest in these families too? They're so large that > they are hard to follow. Here's a perfect example of where many eyes on > the > problem might be able to stitch together little pieces of these families > into something bigger. The part you have may be the part that somebody > else > is missing. > > Jim > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I am interested in VanHoesen. I have VanHoosen's in my line, but from what I have read it can be spelled either way. My VanHoosen married into the Waite line in Owsego County in the 1800's. I have no clue where they came from or where they went. Jacob VanHoosen born 1802 died before 1880 Melinda Waite born 1815 died Oct 30, 1892 in Williamstown, Oswego County Children Hannah VanHoosen born 1831 married John Butler Catherine VanHoosen born 1833 married Louise ?? Daniel VanHoosen born 1837 Getty Eliza VanHoosen born 1839 died between 1860-1863 in Altmar, Albion Township, Oswego County, New York married Russell Wait Horace VanHoosen born 1840 died May 04, 1863 in Civil War married Helen ?? Emma Jean VanHoosen born Dec 25, 1844 died May 05, 1917 Altmar, Albion Township, Oswego County, New York married Russell Wait Not sure if they connect to anyone from Greene County or not -----Original Message----- From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:21 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Roll Call - Athens? - Hollenbeck, Van Loan, Clough &Van Hoesen In Athens: Hollenbeck, Van Loan, Clough & Van Hoesen Hmm. Possibly the four most prevalent Athens families in the 1700's and early 1800's. I think I know what you're looking for as we have discussed this, but it's probably a good idea to be more specific for the list. Anybody else have an interest in these families too? They're so large that they are hard to follow. Here's a perfect example of where many eyes on the problem might be able to stitch together little pieces of these families into something bigger. The part you have may be the part that somebody else is missing. Jim ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx