Hi Jim, What you say is true. I am a member of the Wiquapaug Eastern Pequot Tribe of RI and CT. I go there to be with the tribe often. It took me 50 years to find my father's people as Indians would marry white and try to "pass". I grew up in New Berlin, Chenango County, which is about 10 miles from the old Brotherton Reservation. I get a kick when I read old census images where my cousins all the sudden are written down as white if they moved off the reservation and married white. My father was the only one of six children to be told of his Indian blood. It was hard to hide his Indian blood as he had coal black straight hair, dark skin and all the features. You kept it hidden and denied, denied, denied. Indians are still discriminated against. If you were Indian the government would come and take your children and send them to boarding schools to beat the Indian out of them. The Carlisle school in PA. is one of those schools. That was in this century. Woops. I should say the 1900s. Their clothing and medicine bags, etc., were thrown away and their hair was cut and they had to learn how to run a sewing machine or become a blacksmith. The saying was that you killed the Indian to save the child. The children commited suicide, ran away or families were lost forever. The Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves but did NOT free the Indians. Indians were not made citizens until 1923 or 24, can't remember the exact year. They could not inherit land or personal property and ended up on the street if their white spouse died. I could go on and on. If there are rumors of an Indian in your family it is probably true but you will not find out who, when or where unless you spend 50 years searching like I did. It is usually a very tight secret. Elaine, a red haired, blue eyed member of an Indian tribe. I am so proud they accepted me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:28 PM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua > Don't forget the Indians that stayed and married the whites. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > <<<After the Revolutionary War, land on the western reaches of Greene > County > would have been cleared of hostile Indians who importunely sided with > the>>> > British. ----- Original Message ----- > ---- > Hi Elaine, > > Well, yes, but those would have been the VERY friendly indians. Not the > hostile ones. > > I've got a Van Slyck line of descent that takes me back to a Mohawk > maiden. > Jan Bronk's brother Peter is said to have taken an indian wife and > disappeared from society's records. > > Some of the indian descent stories are false, but if you go back early > enough in New York's history some of them prove out. If your people were > here early enough, all kinds of things are possible. > > If you look through the early Athens Lutheran records you will find the > marriage of Peter Christiaanse, a Madagascar slave of Jan Van Loon, to > Elisabeth Brandemoes, a white Palatine woman whose husband had died. They > baptized six children. > > I just meant that the indians were no longer dragging Abeels and Snyders > off > into the woods on their way to Canada. [see pgs. 103-5 of History of > Greene > County(Sylvia may have the story on her website)] > > Jim > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Over 1400 pages of Greene County information, fully indexed, to help you > find your lost link! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

The Maryett is my Kipp but not sure about the Peter. I have very little on that line as it was just a married into line. It sounds right as the dates match up pretty well. Thanks..will check into that. Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Klinkenberg" <genie2@hvc.rr.com> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Snyder > Hi, > Records of the Katsbaan Reformed Church, town of Saugerties, which borders > on Catskill, show a baptism on Apr 17, 1831 for Peter Van Vlierden Snyder, > born Dec 28, 1830, son of Jeremiah E. Snyder and Harriet Catharine Van > Vlierden. > > In 1855 Census, Greene County, living in Catskill District 3, is Abraham B. > Nott and his wife Eveline and living with them is Jeremiah Snyder, farmer, > 72/3 years in Catskill, born Ulster, Catherine his wife, 62, born West > Indies, and children Elias, quarry man, 30/3, born Ulster, with Eliza C. > Snyder, (d-i-l) 25/3, born Greene , Peter F. (Jeremiah's ch) quarry, 25/3, > born Greene, and some Snyder grandchildren Mary E., 5/5, William L. 3, b. > Greene Raymond, 1, b. Greene. > > Living in Cairo, district 2 is Nathaniel Kipp 38/4 born Greene, Lydia, w, > 45/4, born Schoharie and children Betsey Ann 15/4, born Schoharie, Maryette, > 14/4, born Greene. Could be your Mariett. Ages match. > > Could be your Peter V. Snyder. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maresca" <maresca@gru.net> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:05 AM > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Snyder > > > > My Snyder was a Peter V. Snyder who married Maryett KIPP on Oct 5, 1856 in > > Catskill. Peter was b.abt 1830 and d.?. Maryett was b.May 19, 1841 and > died > > after 1910. Their children were: > > > > Ellen and Elmira possibly twins b. abt 1859 > > Harvey b. abt 1861 > > Lizzie C. b. abt 1863 > > > > I believe that Peter's father was Jeremiah Snyder b. abt 1795 d.aft 1860 > > and UNKNOWN > > > > Other siblings of Peter's were possibly Charles Snyder b.1825 and > > Almon/Almond Snyder b. abt 1820 > > > > Elmira Snyder married Francis MOWER b. abt 1861 d.after 1910. They married > > abt 1884. Their son was Arthur S. Mower b. abt 1888. > > > > That is the extent of my Snyder line. Colleen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Deborah J. Waite" <debwaite@rochester.rr.com> > > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:21 AM > > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens > > > > > > > I am looking for Snyders > > > I am looking for a Philo Snyder born around 1836 was suppose to be > > > one of triplets, the other 2 where named Philip and Philander. Philo > > fought > > > in the Civil War and was born in Catskills. No one knows if it's the > town > > or > > > the mountains. I have the only Philo Snyder's Civil War records but it > > > doesn't have any family info or place of birth. He married Catherine > Mabie > > > (not sure of the spelling) and had Ashley in Sep 1857 in Greene County. > By > > > 1860 census Catherine and Ashley where living in Demark, Lewis County. > > > Catherine remarried by 1860 to a Johnson. > > > > > > The 1865 census list Ashley as born in Greene County, and Catherine born > > in > > > Albany County. > > > > > > I have no idea if Philo died or what happened to him. I think he may be > > from > > > Philip Snyder and Margaret Snyder's family, but that's just a guess > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Maresca [mailto:maresca@gru.net] > > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:42 AM > > > To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens > > > > > > In Athens, I have the following families although they also moved > to/from > > > other places. > > > > > > BROOKS > > > BROWN > > > BRYANT > > > CHURCH > > > COON > > > GREENE > > > HALENBECK > > > KIPP > > > MERRITT > > > REED > > > SNYDER > > > VAN VLECK > > > VOSBURGH > > > > > > (These include married into lines) > > > > > > Colleen Maresca maresca@gru.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <NYGREENE-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > > To: <NYGREENE-D@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:31 AM > > > Subject: NYGREENE-D Digest V06 #3 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > > > Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, > > > Wills and so much more! 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Sorry...I don't have any info on that. Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Waldron" <ronwaldron@cox.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks > Do either of you know which Broeks/Brooks built the farm at the end of > Brooks Lane in Jefferson Heights (the Country Club Road)? > My family owned and operated that farm in the late 40s and 50s. > > Ron Waldron > - Elder Member Of An Ancient Warrior Class - > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:30 AM > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks > > > > >I have tons of Brooks info...my line started with Joshua b. abt 1705 he > > >was > >>the father of Jan Brooks b.abt 1738. > >>Jan was the father of Casparus b. abt. June 20, 1773. Caparus was the > >>father of Jeremiah b.Aug 30, 1803. Jeremiah married Electa REED. Jeremiah > >>and Electa were my 3rd great grandparents. > > > > Me too. I've got the Broeks starting with Joshua, Jan and Casper, but I > > don't have anything on Casper's family. I have Joshua's wife Gesje's line > > back a geneartion. I've got Jeremiah with his wife Electa and family. I'm > > curious to know what you have that connects Jeremiah to father Casper. I > > haven't figured out which Reed line Electa belongs to. > > > > If memory serves me correctly Sylvia and possibly others are working on > > Brooks lines. > > > > I'll try to send a brief version of the lines in a separate e-mail. I'm > > not > > sure if it will be too big for the list server. > > > > Jim > > > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > > The Diary of John Barr, Ensign in the Revolutionary War. Come read about > > our revolutionary past from the eyes of one who lived it! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > >

Don't forget the Indians that stayed and married the whites. -------------------------------------------------------------- <<<After the Revolutionary War, land on the western reaches of Greene County would have been cleared of hostile Indians who importunely sided with the>>> British. ----- Original Message ----- ---- Hi Elaine, Well, yes, but those would have been the VERY friendly indians. Not the hostile ones. I've got a Van Slyck line of descent that takes me back to a Mohawk maiden. Jan Bronk's brother Peter is said to have taken an indian wife and disappeared from society's records. Some of the indian descent stories are false, but if you go back early enough in New York's history some of them prove out. If your people were here early enough, all kinds of things are possible. If you look through the early Athens Lutheran records you will find the marriage of Peter Christiaanse, a Madagascar slave of Jan Van Loon, to Elisabeth Brandemoes, a white Palatine woman whose husband had died. They baptized six children. I just meant that the indians were no longer dragging Abeels and Snyders off into the woods on their way to Canada. [see pgs. 103-5 of History of Greene County(Sylvia may have the story on her website)] Jim

The Parsonage between Two Manors : Annals of Clover-Reach / by Elizabeth L. Gebhard. Hudson, N.Y. : Bryan Printing Co., 1910 Elizabeth was the grand-daughter of one of the pastors. I speed-read it at the library some years ago. Damn thing didn't have an index. And we had Collier's History of Kinderhook written by a very long serving Dutch Reformed pastor. Funny how attentive to history some of these pastors and their families were. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jim Groat [mailto:jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:42 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua There's another excellent book that I have buried here somewhere in this room I call a research room -- the reason I call it that is because I have to re-search it again and again when I want to find something. Anyway, I can't put my fingers on it but the title is something like "A Parish Between Two Manors." It's about the Reformed Church at Claverack. When we had a family reunion in Columbia County back in 1986 when I published my book, we were given a tour of the old Church worship building and given a brief talk about the history of the Church. Those people went there each Sunday from miles around and made a day of it -- Summer and Winter. Knowing the weather there, it just amazes me! If you have some specific baptisms/marriages you need, I may be able to help you. Email me off line and ask. Regards, Jim | -----Original Message----- | From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:21 PM | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | Hi Jim, | | Well the Van Loons were originally in the Albany area, but early on | established themselves at Loonenburg in present-day Athens. He rented the | place out for some few years before actually taking possession in the late | 1600's. I think he arrived only a little later than Jan Bronk did at | Coxsackie. | | Some of the families in the Claverack area like the Columbia County | Hallenbeck branch and the Van Hoesens worshipped at the Lutheran church | that | was established on Van Loon land across the river. | | I suspect that some of the trouble I have in researching a few of the | Athens | families is that they weren't Athens families. I need to look at the | records | of the St. Thomas Lutheran Church of Churchtown (Claverack) the next time | I | get to the library to see if they show up there. Some of these families | may | have crossed the river back and forth, after this church was formed, | depending upon which church currently had a pastor. | | The first Lutheran pastor at Loonenburg ranged over a very wide area | ministering to anyone who'd let him. | | For anyone who is interested in that early time period there is a very | interesting book out: | The Albany Protocol; Wilhelm Christoph Berkenmeyer's chronicle of | Lutheran affairs in New York Colony, 1731-1750. Translated by Simon Hart | and | Sibrandina Geertruid Hart-Runeman. Translation initiated by Harry J. | Kreider. Edited by John P. Dern. Ann Arbor, Mich, 1971. | It's a translation of the pastor's record and includes all kinds of neat | little tidbits about himself and his co-religionists. Including a meeting | held to discuss repairing the pier used by the church members from across | the river. | | But yeah, lots of families moved westward across the river. Some, as I | said, | were, I think, leaving rented lands from the two large manors. Each | generation would have to re-let the land at a higher rate of pay if they | wanted to stay. | | After the Revolutionary War, land on the western reaches of Greene County | would have been cleared of hostile Indians who importunely sided with the | British. The New England whalers who had tired of being harassed by the | British navy bought Hudson and added more commerce right across from | Athens. | I assume that commerce and people spilled over into Athens. And after the | war, with the Bristish masters out of the way, all kinds of land became | available. Some was given away in bounty payments in western NY, but | closer | to here all kinds of pending land issues were resolved under the auspices | of | the new government. And without stretching this list too far, much land | was | formally subdivided around this time by the heirs of earlier generations | making it available for sale. | | Jim | | -----Original Message----- | From: Jim Groat [mailto:jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com] | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:29 PM | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | | Jim, | | You must be reading my mind. I've been watching with some amazement the | numbrer of family names popping up here that originate in Columbia County! | The Deckers, Dederichs, Brandaus, Hollenbecks, VanLoans, Vosburghs, Van | Hoesens,etc., etc. | | Regards, | Jim Groat | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] | | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:48 AM | | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | | | I tend to think of the Deckers as a Columbia County family. I've seen | | their | | records in the Claverack and Linlithgo churches, probably others as | well. | | Maybe he came over from there. | | | | It's probably worth pointing out here that as I've been looking through | | census records lately it's interesting how many people came to Greene | from | | Rensselaer and Columbia Counties some time after the Revolutionary War | | period. Quite a few of them moved to the interior of Greene or the more | | western areas and firmly planted themselves there. The Van Valkenburghs | in | | Prattsville come to mind. I think some of these people may have left | | rented | | lands of the Livingstons or the Van Rensselaers for the opportunity to | own | | land in newly opened areas. | | | | Jim | | | | | | ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== | | Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. Stop on by | | and find your lost link! | | http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 | | | | ============================== | | New! Family Tree Maker 2005. 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No, we're still working on Athens. Van Loon and Van Loan are the same family. I used to think the last name was pronounced like the bird, but some early spellings are Van Lohne, so I guess they regularized the spelling to fit into English better. Here's what I have for Rachel's baptism from Kelly's Athens Lutheran: pg. 157, #3239, 1792, 11.4. Rahel, born 9.28, of Jacob J. V. Loon and Lea [nee Van Loon], his real wife. Sponsors Albert V Loon, and wife Magdalena. "He appeared very bold and brazen & was severely chek'd as he will not yet desist from his adulterous ways." Which is explained by this earlier baptism of illegitimate Peter Van Loon: pg. 156, #3209, 1792, 3.2. Huds[on]. Peter, born 1.1, of Jacob J. Van Loan, "who came with a lye in his mouth & said that this Jenny Evertson was his wife with whom he got this child, but who is not" "The minister yet being a stranger, on saying they were members of the Congregation admitted them to hand for this their bastard child" Rachel first married Peter Evertsen at Coxsackie on 30 Aug 1810. He must have died between 1816-1819, because on 2 Nov 1819 Rachel Evertsen married John Armstrong, Jr., at Coxsackie. I have more if you need it. What about the other Van Loons? Jim -----Original Message----- From: M J STEVENS [mailto:mjstevens@prodigy.net] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:00 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Roll Call - Athens? Van Loan & Van Loon. (Are they part of the same family with different spellings or two different familes?) I have a Rachel Van Loan married to John Armstrong before 1827 but no parents for her. I also have several Van Loons. I also have several Hallenbecks. Sorry if we are past Athens. I only get online on the weekends and it took me awhile to get caught up with some many messages. ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== 1850 federal census for Prattsville and Windham fully transcribed! Come check us out! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

The book you refer to is called. "The Parsonage Between Two Manors" by Elizabeth Gebhard. I also have a copy..

Thanks. My other VanLoons are as follows: Rebecca VANLOON married Henry VANDENBERGH. Rebecca was the daughter of Albert VANLOON and Helena (Magdeleentje) HALLENBECK. Albert was the son of Jan VANLOON and Janetje VANVALKENBURG. Jan was the son of Jan VANLOON Jr and Rebecca Janse HALLENBECK. Jan was the son of Jan VANLOON and Marritje (Maria) Albertse JANSEN. Jan was the son of Pietra VANLOON.

There's another excellent book that I have buried here somewhere in this room I call a research room -- the reason I call it that is because I have to re-search it again and again when I want to find something. Anyway, I can't put my fingers on it but the title is something like "A Parish Between Two Manors." It's about the Reformed Church at Claverack. When we had a family reunion in Columbia County back in 1986 when I published my book, we were given a tour of the old Church worship building and given a brief talk about the history of the Church. Those people went there each Sunday from miles around and made a day of it -- Summer and Winter. Knowing the weather there, it just amazes me! If you have some specific baptisms/marriages you need, I may be able to help you. Email me off line and ask. Regards, Jim | -----Original Message----- | From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:21 PM | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | Hi Jim, | | Well the Van Loons were originally in the Albany area, but early on | established themselves at Loonenburg in present-day Athens. He rented the | place out for some few years before actually taking possession in the late | 1600's. I think he arrived only a little later than Jan Bronk did at | Coxsackie. | | Some of the families in the Claverack area like the Columbia County | Hallenbeck branch and the Van Hoesens worshipped at the Lutheran church | that | was established on Van Loon land across the river. | | I suspect that some of the trouble I have in researching a few of the | Athens | families is that they weren't Athens families. I need to look at the | records | of the St. Thomas Lutheran Church of Churchtown (Claverack) the next time | I | get to the library to see if they show up there. Some of these families | may | have crossed the river back and forth, after this church was formed, | depending upon which church currently had a pastor. | | The first Lutheran pastor at Loonenburg ranged over a very wide area | ministering to anyone who'd let him. | | For anyone who is interested in that early time period there is a very | interesting book out: | The Albany Protocol; Wilhelm Christoph Berkenmeyer's chronicle of | Lutheran affairs in New York Colony, 1731-1750. Translated by Simon Hart | and | Sibrandina Geertruid Hart-Runeman. Translation initiated by Harry J. | Kreider. Edited by John P. Dern. Ann Arbor, Mich, 1971. | It's a translation of the pastor's record and includes all kinds of neat | little tidbits about himself and his co-religionists. Including a meeting | held to discuss repairing the pier used by the church members from across | the river. | | But yeah, lots of families moved westward across the river. Some, as I | said, | were, I think, leaving rented lands from the two large manors. Each | generation would have to re-let the land at a higher rate of pay if they | wanted to stay. | | After the Revolutionary War, land on the western reaches of Greene County | would have been cleared of hostile Indians who importunely sided with the | British. The New England whalers who had tired of being harassed by the | British navy bought Hudson and added more commerce right across from | Athens. | I assume that commerce and people spilled over into Athens. And after the | war, with the Bristish masters out of the way, all kinds of land became | available. Some was given away in bounty payments in western NY, but | closer | to here all kinds of pending land issues were resolved under the auspices | of | the new government. And without stretching this list too far, much land | was | formally subdivided around this time by the heirs of earlier generations | making it available for sale. | | Jim | | -----Original Message----- | From: Jim Groat [mailto:jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com] | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:29 PM | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | | Jim, | | You must be reading my mind. I've been watching with some amazement the | numbrer of family names popping up here that originate in Columbia County! | The Deckers, Dederichs, Brandaus, Hollenbecks, VanLoans, Vosburghs, Van | Hoesens,etc., etc. | | Regards, | Jim Groat | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] | | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:48 AM | | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | | | | I tend to think of the Deckers as a Columbia County family. I've seen | | their | | records in the Claverack and Linlithgo churches, probably others as | well. | | Maybe he came over from there. | | | | It's probably worth pointing out here that as I've been looking through | | census records lately it's interesting how many people came to Greene | from | | Rensselaer and Columbia Counties some time after the Revolutionary War | | period. Quite a few of them moved to the interior of Greene or the more | | western areas and firmly planted themselves there. The Van Valkenburghs | in | | Prattsville come to mind. I think some of these people may have left | | rented | | lands of the Livingstons or the Van Rensselaers for the opportunity to | own | | land in newly opened areas. | | | | Jim | | | | | | ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== | | Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. Stop on by | | and find your lost link! | | http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 | | | | ============================== | | New! Family Tree Maker 2005. 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Hi, Records of the Katsbaan Reformed Church, town of Saugerties, which borders on Catskill, show a baptism on Apr 17, 1831 for Peter Van Vlierden Snyder, born Dec 28, 1830, son of Jeremiah E. Snyder and Harriet Catharine Van Vlierden. In 1855 Census, Greene County, living in Catskill District 3, is Abraham B. Nott and his wife Eveline and living with them is Jeremiah Snyder, farmer, 72/3 years in Catskill, born Ulster, Catherine his wife, 62, born West Indies, and children Elias, quarry man, 30/3, born Ulster, with Eliza C. Snyder, (d-i-l) 25/3, born Greene , Peter F. (Jeremiah's ch) quarry, 25/3, born Greene, and some Snyder grandchildren Mary E., 5/5, William L. 3, b. Greene Raymond, 1, b. Greene. Living in Cairo, district 2 is Nathaniel Kipp 38/4 born Greene, Lydia, w, 45/4, born Schoharie and children Betsey Ann 15/4, born Schoharie, Maryette, 14/4, born Greene. Could be your Mariett. Ages match. Could be your Peter V. Snyder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maresca" <maresca@gru.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:05 AM Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Snyder > My Snyder was a Peter V. Snyder who married Maryett KIPP on Oct 5, 1856 in > Catskill. Peter was b.abt 1830 and d.?. Maryett was b.May 19, 1841 and died > after 1910. Their children were: > > Ellen and Elmira possibly twins b. abt 1859 > Harvey b. abt 1861 > Lizzie C. b. abt 1863 > > I believe that Peter's father was Jeremiah Snyder b. abt 1795 d.aft 1860 > and UNKNOWN > > Other siblings of Peter's were possibly Charles Snyder b.1825 and > Almon/Almond Snyder b. abt 1820 > > Elmira Snyder married Francis MOWER b. abt 1861 d.after 1910. They married > abt 1884. Their son was Arthur S. Mower b. abt 1888. > > That is the extent of my Snyder line. Colleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deborah J. Waite" <debwaite@rochester.rr.com> > To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:21 AM > Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens > > > > I am looking for Snyders > > I am looking for a Philo Snyder born around 1836 was suppose to be > > one of triplets, the other 2 where named Philip and Philander. Philo > fought > > in the Civil War and was born in Catskills. No one knows if it's the town > or > > the mountains. I have the only Philo Snyder's Civil War records but it > > doesn't have any family info or place of birth. He married Catherine Mabie > > (not sure of the spelling) and had Ashley in Sep 1857 in Greene County. By > > 1860 census Catherine and Ashley where living in Demark, Lewis County. > > Catherine remarried by 1860 to a Johnson. > > > > The 1865 census list Ashley as born in Greene County, and Catherine born > in > > Albany County. > > > > I have no idea if Philo died or what happened to him. I think he may be > from > > Philip Snyder and Margaret Snyder's family, but that's just a guess > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maresca [mailto:maresca@gru.net] > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:42 AM > > To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens > > > > In Athens, I have the following families although they also moved to/from > > other places. > > > > BROOKS > > BROWN > > BRYANT > > CHURCH > > COON > > GREENE > > HALENBECK > > KIPP > > MERRITT > > REED > > SNYDER > > VAN VLECK > > VOSBURGH > > > > (These include married into lines) > > > > Colleen Maresca maresca@gru.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <NYGREENE-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > To: <NYGREENE-D@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:31 AM > > Subject: NYGREENE-D Digest V06 #3 > > > > > > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > > Your resource site for Greene County Cemeteries, Biographies, Censuses, > > Wills and so much more! Check us out! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== > Greene County Tax Assessment going on line now! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Don't forget the Indians that stayed and married the whites. -------------------------------------------------------------- <<<After the Revolutionary War, land on the western reaches of Greene County would have been cleared of hostile Indians who importunely sided with the>>> British. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brady" <brady.j@att.net> To: <NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua > Hi Jim, > > Well the Van Loons were originally in the Albany area, but early on > established themselves at Loonenburg in present-day Athens. He rented the > place out for some few years before actually taking possession in the late > 1600's. I think he arrived only a little later than Jan Bronk did at

Jim,Here is what I have on Ben Briggs generation 1 & 2. I do have documentation, but didn't enclose it in order to conserve space. I have some info on Carlton if you want it. Let me know.I have nothing on Silas at all. Barbara Generation No. 1 1. BENJAMIN BRIGGS, CAPTAIN was born 1808 in Albany Co., NY, and died 04 Aug 1856 in Athens, NY. He married EUNICE ALLCOT 11 Sep 1830 in Dutch Reformed Church,Catskill, NY, daughter of THOMAS ALLCOT. She was born 1808 in Greene County,NY, and died 25 Apr 1881 in Athens, NY. More About EUNICE ALLCOT: Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY Children of BENJAMIN BRIGGS and EUNICE ALLCOT are: 2. i. ANGELINE HARRIET BRIGGS, b. 1831, Athens,NY; d. 30 Dec 1907, Brooklyn, Kings County, NY. 3. ii. THOMAS ALCOTT BRIGGS, b. 04 Sep 1834, Athens, NY; d. 21 Apr 1926, Brooklyn, Kings County, NY. iii. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN BRIGGS, b. 1841, Athens, Greene County, NY; d. 1862. More About BENJAMIN FRANKLIN BRIGGS: Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetary, Athens,NY iv. WELTHA ANN BRIGGS, b. 1844, Athens, Greene County, NY; d. 1860. More About WELTHA ANN BRIGGS: Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetary, Athens,NY 4. v. SARAH BRIGGS, b. Aug 1845, Athens, NY; d. 04 Apr 1914, Brooklyn,NY. 5. vi. ALISON BRIGGS, b. Jun 1846, Athens,New York; d. 19 Jan 1905, Brooklyn,New York. 6. vii. MINERVA BRIGGS, b. 1852, Athens, Greene County, NY. Generation No. 2 2. ANGELINE HARRIET2 BRIGGS (BENJAMIN1) was born 1831 in Athens,NY, and died 30 Dec 1907 in Brooklyn, Kings County, NY. She married GEORGE KINSEY DALZELL Abt. 1851 in Athens Dutch Reformed Church, Athens, NY, son of THOMAS DALZELL and JANE. He was born 28 Jul 1830 in Athens, NY, and died 04 Feb 1894 in Brooklyn, Kings County, NY. More About ANGELINE HARRIET BRIGGS: Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY Cause of Death: catarrh pneumonia More About GEORGE KINSEY DALZELL: Baptism: 25 Sep 1830, Athens Reformed Dutch Church Burial: 07 Feb 1894, Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, NY Cause of Death: pneumonia( bronchitis) Children of ANGELINE BRIGGS and GEORGE DALZELL are: i. GEORGE SHERMAN3 DALZELL, d. 13 Sep 1920, New York City, NY. ii. BEULAH DALZELL, b. 1852, Athens, Greene County, NY; d. 1855, Athens, Greene County, NY. Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY iii. MARY DALZELL, b. 1856; d. 1933; m. (1) B.B. ZACHARY; m. (2) GEORGE W. CHURCHWELL, 10 Oct 1876, Athens, NY; b. 1853; d. 1918. More About MARY DALZELL: Burial: 15 Jul 1933, Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY iv. W. FREELAND DALZELL, b. 12 Sep 1858; d. 22 Mar 1929, Ridgewood,NY; m. GRACE R. ASHLEY; b. 1865; d. 04 Mar 1934, NYC, NY. More About W. FREELAND DALZELL: Burial: 26 Mar 1929, Catskill Rural Cemetery, Catskill, NY More About GRACE R. ASHLEY: Burial: 04 Mar 1934, Catskill Rural Cemetery v. FREDERICK BRIGGS DALZELL, b. 1860, Athens, NY; d. 16 Jul 1916, Amityville, NY; m. EMILY HANDY, 26 Apr 1889, Brooklyn,NY; d. 26 Aug 1939, Westhampton Beach,NY. More About FREDERICK BRIGGS DALZELL: Burial: 19 Jul 1916, Green-wood Cemetery lot 29162 section 203 Residence: 1870, Athens, Greene, New York More About EMILY HANDY: Burial: 29 Aug 1939, Green-wood Cemetery Brooklyn, NY lot 29162 section 203 vi. FREDERICK L. DALZELL, b. 1863; d. 10 Jan 1922, Maplewood, NJ; m. LEAH WHITNEY; b. 1872. vii. JENNIE C. DALZELL, b. 1867; d. 1943. Burial: 09 Sep 1943, Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY viii. EDWARD TOOKER DALZELL, b. 1871; d. 28 Mar 1938; m. LOUISE MARIAH MOORE; b. 1883; d. 07 Feb 1944, Douglaston,NY. More About EDWARD TOOKER DALZELL: Burial: Athens, Greene County, NY More About LOUISE MARIAH MOORE: Burial: Cutchogue Cemetery,Cutchogue,NY 3. THOMAS ALCOTT2 BRIGGS (BENJAMIN1) was born 04 Sep 1834 in Athens, NY, and died 21 Apr 1926 in Brooklyn, Kings County, NY. He married DEBORAH TREMAINE MILLER 03 Mar 1858 in Athens, NY, daughter of SYDNEY MILLER and ELIZA FRAZER. She was born 09 Dec 1834 in Athens, NY, and died 04 Jan 1905 in Brooklyn, Kings County, NY. More About THOMAS ALCOTT BRIGGS: Burial: 24 Apr 1926, Athens Rural Cemetery Cause of Death: acute lumbar pneumonia Volume Page: Volume:Page: 7: 61 Notes for DEBORAH TREMAINE MILLER:died at age 69. Her last address was 478 Hancock Street, Brooklyn,NY. On Jan. 7, 1905, the Catskill Examiner ran an article stating:At Brooklyn, Jan. 4, Deborah T., wife of T.A. Briggs of Athens @ 70 More About DEBORAH TREMAINE MILLER: Burial: Athens Rural Cemetery Cause of Death: pneumonia Children of THOMAS BRIGGS and DEBORAH MILLER are: i. EMORY E.3 BRIGGS, b. 12 Oct 1860, Athens, NY; d. 12 Mar 1919; m. ABIGAIL WOLF, 20 Dec 1882, Coxsackie, NY; b. 1862; d. 1945. More About EMORY E. BRIGGS: Burial: Athens Rural Cemetery More About ABIGAIL WOLF: Burial: Athens Rural Cemetery Abbie is buried in the Wolfe plot. ii. ELIZABETH BRIGGS, b. Oct 1870, Athens,NY; d. 1962; m. RAYMOND A. SOICH; b. 30 Nov 1870; d. Jan 1965. More About ELIZABETH BRIGGS: Burial: Athens Rural Cemetery Notes for RAYMOND A. SOICH: He was a Captain Ord.Dept.WW1. More About RAYMOND A. SOICH: Burial: Athens Rural Cemetery iii. FRANK BRIGGS, b. 1873; d. 1873. More About FRANK BRIGGS: Burial: Athens Rural Cemetery 4. SARAH2 BRIGGS (BENJAMIN1) was born Aug 1845 in Athens, NY, and died 04 Apr 1914 in Brooklyn,NY. She married CASPER H. BRADY 17 Jun 1869 in Athens, NY, son of GEORGE BRADY and MARY WILLIAMS. He was born Mar 1846 in Athens, NY, and died 24 Sep 1920 in Brooklyn, Kings County, NY. More About SARAH BRIGGS: Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY More About CASPER H. BRADY: Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY Children of SARAH BRIGGS and CASPER BRADY are: i. ALISON3 BRADY, b. Oct 1879; m. MAGUELINE SAEGER. ii. BENJAMIN BRIGGS BRADY, b. 10 Jan 1878, Athens, Greene County, NY; m. SYDNEY DAISY. iii. MINERVA BRADY, b. 1870; d. 1875. Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY iv. JENNIE BRADY, b. 1872; d. 1875. Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY v. ANNIE BRADY, b. 1885; d. 1890. Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY vi. BESSIE BRADY, b. Jan 1882; d. 1963; m. ALBERT J. SMITH; b. 1881; d. 1945. More About BESSIE BRADY: Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY More About ALBERT J. SMITH: Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY 5. ALISON2 BRIGGS (BENJAMIN1) was born Jun 1846 in Athens,New York, and died 19 Jan 1905 in Brooklyn,New York. He married ALICE AUGUSTA RAYMOND 16 Jan 1878 in NYC,NY, daughter of CHARLES POST RAYMOND and LOUISA BRIDLE. She was born 04 Dec 1852 in NYC,NY, and died 11 Jul 1903 in Brooklyn, Kings County, NY. More About ALISON BRIGGS: Burial: Athens Mt. Hope Cemetery Cause of Death: acute cerebral congestion & coma More About ALICE AUGUSTA RAYMOND: Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens,NY Cause of Death: Bronchitis & pericarditis Children of ALISON BRIGGS and ALICE RAYMOND are: i. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3 BRIGGS, b. 25 Dec 1882, New York; m. CLARA R. BROWN; b. 1890, NY. ii. ELMER RAYMOND BRIGGS, b. 11 Dec 1884, Brooklyn, New York; d. 15 Jan 1955, West Hempstead , New York; m. LILLIE MAY STONE, 24 Jul 1907, Brooklyn, New York; b. 08 Jul 1884, Brooklyn, Kings County,NY; d. 13 Apr 1970, Danbury, Connecticut. More About ELMER RAYMOND BRIGGS: Burial: Pinelawn Memorial Park, Farmingdale, NY in Birchwood section Cause of Death: myocardial infarction More About LILLIE MAY STONE: Burial: Pinelawn Memorial Park, Farmingdale,LI, NY in Cause of Death: arteriosclerotic heart disease 6. MINERVA2 BRIGGS (BENJAMIN1) was born 1852 in Athens, Greene County, NY. She married CHARLES H. DE LONG. He was born 1840 in Schenectady, New York, and died 1912. More About CHARLES H. DE LONG: Burial: Athens Rural Cemetery Child of MINERVA BRIGGS and CHARLES DE LONG is: i. BERNARD3 DE LONG, b. 1885; d. 14 Apr 1891, Manhattan, New York,NY. Burial: Athens Rural Cemetery -----Original Message----- From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:43 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] RE: Roll Call - Athens? Briggs Thanks, Barbara, I'd appreciate that. I've got some other unconnected Briggs in my database. There was a Carlton Briggs, b. 1804, with a son Henry W. The son Henry W. was also a Captain. Also a Captain Silas Briggs, b. circa Feb 1807. I was wondering if they were relatives of Benjamin. I mean with all these Captain Briggs's it might be a family profession. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Craddock [mailto:goldbabe@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:14 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] RE: Roll Call - Athens? Briggs The Benjamin you refer to is mine. I'll take a look and see if what I have matches what you've posted. 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Hi Jim, Well the Van Loons were originally in the Albany area, but early on established themselves at Loonenburg in present-day Athens. He rented the place out for some few years before actually taking possession in the late 1600's. I think he arrived only a little later than Jan Bronk did at Coxsackie. Some of the families in the Claverack area like the Columbia County Hallenbeck branch and the Van Hoesens worshipped at the Lutheran church that was established on Van Loon land across the river. I suspect that some of the trouble I have in researching a few of the Athens families is that they weren't Athens families. I need to look at the records of the St. Thomas Lutheran Church of Churchtown (Claverack) the next time I get to the library to see if they show up there. Some of these families may have crossed the river back and forth, after this church was formed, depending upon which church currently had a pastor. The first Lutheran pastor at Loonenburg ranged over a very wide area ministering to anyone who'd let him. For anyone who is interested in that early time period there is a very interesting book out: The Albany Protocol; Wilhelm Christoph Berkenmeyer's chronicle of Lutheran affairs in New York Colony, 1731-1750. Translated by Simon Hart and Sibrandina Geertruid Hart-Runeman. Translation initiated by Harry J. Kreider. Edited by John P. Dern. Ann Arbor, Mich, 1971. It's a translation of the pastor's record and includes all kinds of neat little tidbits about himself and his co-religionists. Including a meeting held to discuss repairing the pier used by the church members from across the river. But yeah, lots of families moved westward across the river. Some, as I said, were, I think, leaving rented lands from the two large manors. Each generation would have to re-let the land at a higher rate of pay if they wanted to stay. After the Revolutionary War, land on the western reaches of Greene County would have been cleared of hostile Indians who importunely sided with the British. The New England whalers who had tired of being harassed by the British navy bought Hudson and added more commerce right across from Athens. I assume that commerce and people spilled over into Athens. And after the war, with the Bristish masters out of the way, all kinds of land became available. Some was given away in bounty payments in western NY, but closer to here all kinds of pending land issues were resolved under the auspices of the new government. And without stretching this list too far, much land was formally subdivided around this time by the heirs of earlier generations making it available for sale. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jim Groat [mailto:jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:29 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua Jim, You must be reading my mind. I've been watching with some amazement the numbrer of family names popping up here that originate in Columbia County! The Deckers, Dederichs, Brandaus, Hollenbecks, VanLoans, Vosburghs, Van Hoesens,etc., etc. Regards, Jim Groat | -----Original Message----- | From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:48 AM | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | I tend to think of the Deckers as a Columbia County family. I've seen | their | records in the Claverack and Linlithgo churches, probably others as well. | Maybe he came over from there. | | It's probably worth pointing out here that as I've been looking through | census records lately it's interesting how many people came to Greene from | Rensselaer and Columbia Counties some time after the Revolutionary War | period. Quite a few of them moved to the interior of Greene or the more | western areas and firmly planted themselves there. The Van Valkenburghs in | Prattsville come to mind. I think some of these people may have left | rented | lands of the Livingstons or the Van Rensselaers for the opportunity to own | land in newly opened areas. | | Jim | | | ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== | Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. Stop on by | and find your lost link! | http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 | | ============================== | New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors | at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: | http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599& | targetid=5429 ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Greene County - Abstracts of Wills 1800-1900 - going on-line now! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Van Loan & Van Loon. (Are they part of the same family with different spellings or two different familes?) I have a Rachel Van Loan married to John Armstrong before 1827 but no parents for her. I also have several Van Loons. I also have several Hallenbecks. Sorry if we are past Athens. I only get online on the weekends and it took me awhile to get caught up with some many messages.

Jim, You must be reading my mind. I've been watching with some amazement the numbrer of family names popping up here that originate in Columbia County! The Deckers, Dederichs, Brandaus, Hollenbecks, VanLoans, Vosburghs, Van Hoesens,etc., etc. Regards, Jim Groat | -----Original Message----- | From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] | Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:48 AM | To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] Re: Roll Call-Athens-Brooks, Joshua | I tend to think of the Deckers as a Columbia County family. I've seen | their | records in the Claverack and Linlithgo churches, probably others as well. | Maybe he came over from there. | | It's probably worth pointing out here that as I've been looking through | census records lately it's interesting how many people came to Greene from | Rensselaer and Columbia Counties some time after the Revolutionary War | period. Quite a few of them moved to the interior of Greene or the more | western areas and firmly planted themselves there. The Van Valkenburghs in | Prattsville come to mind. I think some of these people may have left | rented | lands of the Livingstons or the Van Rensselaers for the opportunity to own | land in newly opened areas. | | Jim | | | ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== | Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. Stop on by | and find your lost link! | http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 | | ============================== | New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors | at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: | http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599& | targetid=5429

Anyone have YAGERs in Hunter ? Jane

Thanks, Barbara, I'd appreciate that. I've got some other unconnected Briggs in my database. There was a Carlton Briggs, b. 1804, with a son Henry W. The son Henry W. was also a Captain. Also a Captain Silas Briggs, b. circa Feb 1807. I was wondering if they were relatives of Benjamin. I mean with all these Captain Briggs's it might be a family profession. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Craddock [mailto:goldbabe@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:14 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] RE: Roll Call - Athens? Briggs The Benjamin you refer to is mine. I'll take a look and see if what I have matches what you've posted. Barbara

Elaine Decker: I am interested in my Grandmother and her line of Decker's. She was BERTHA ELLEN DECKER b. 22 Jul 1880 and married to RULANDUS BRANDOW SMITH. (both of Greene Co.) I have her father as JOHN PETER DECKER 1857-1913 Prattsville and Catskill. Her mother was JULIA E CLARK 1860-1923. Does this tie into any of your lines? Aside from this, we had a Catholic Priest here in Long Lake, NY a few years back. He and his brother were twins. We called them the "Double Decker's" Best regards, Ray Smith

The Benjamin you refer to is mine. I'll take a look and see if what I have matches what you've posted. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:12 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GREENE COUNTY] RE: Roll Call - Athens? Briggs I assume you mean the Benjamin Briggs below, there's another one who married a Nancy ?, and had a son John born circa 1825. If this is the correct Benjamin below, I'm curious to see how it matches up with what you and others can contribute. Jim 1. Capt. Benjamin1 Briggs; born 1808; married Eunice Alcott; died 1856; buried at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. Eunice Alcott was born circa 1807. She was born in 1808. She died on 25 Apr 1881. She was buried at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. Children of Capt. Benjamin1 Briggs and Eunice Alcott were as follows: i. Harriet Angeline2 Briggs; born circa 1831 at Athens, Greene County, New York; died 31 Dec 1907 at Mason St., Brooklyn, Kings County, New York; buried at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. 2 ii. Thomas Alcott Briggs, born 1834; married Deborah Tremain Miller. iii. Franklin Briggs; born 1841; died 1862; buried at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. iv. Weltha Briggs; born 1844; died 1860; buried at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. v. Capt. Allison Briggs; born 1846 at Athens, Greene County, New York; married Alice A. Raymond; died 19 Jan 1905 at 630 Lafayette Ave., Brooklyn, Kings County, New York; buried at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. 3 vi. Sarah Briggs, born 1848; married Casper H. Brady. vii. Minerva Briggs; born circa 1852; married Mayhein Delong. Generation Two 2. Thomas Alcott2 Briggs (Benjamin1); born 1834; baptized 3 Jun 1877 at First Reformed Church, Athens, Greene County, New York; married Deborah Tremain Miller, daughter of Sydney Miller and Eliza Frazer, 4 Mar 1858 at First Reformed Church, Athens, Greene County, New York; died 21 Apr 1926 at Brooklyn, Kings County, New York; buried at Athens Rural Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. Deborah Tremain Miller was born on 9 Dec 1834. She was baptized on 11 Jul 1835 at First Reformed Church, Athens, Greene County, New York. She was born circa 1836. She died on 4 Jan 1905 at 478 Hancock St., Brooklyn, Kings County, New York. She was buried at Athens Rural Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. Children of Thomas Alcott2 Briggs and Deborah Tremain Miller were as follows: i. Emory3 Briggs; born circa 1860. ii. Lizzie Briggs; born circa 1871. iii. Lizzie Frasier Briggs; born 12 Nov 1880; baptized 2 Sep 1881 at First Reformed Church, Athens, Greene County, New York. 3. Sarah2 Briggs (Benjamin1); born 1848; married Casper H. Brady, son of George C. Brady and Mary Jane Williams; died 1914; buried at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. Casper H. Brady was born in 1840. He died in 1914. He was buried on 6 Apr 1914 at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. Children of Sarah2 Briggs and Casper H. Brady were as follows: i. Minerva3 Brady; born 1870; died 1875; buried at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. ii. Jennie Brady; born 1872; died 1875; buried at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. iii. Annie Brady; born 1885; died 1890; buried at Mt. Hope Cemetery, Athens, Greene County, New York. -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Craddock [mailto:goldbabe@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:53 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] RE: Roll Call - Athens? Hi Jim, That sounds like a great idea to me. I'm looking into the Benjamin Briggs family. The children married into the Brady, Dalzell, Raymond, and De Long families. They were into boating along the Hudson River and then went to Brooklyn and Manhattan. I am willing to share my info. Barbara Craddock Florida -----Original Message----- From: James Brady [mailto:brady.j@att.net] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:11 PM To: NYGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREENE COUNTY] Roll Call - Athens? Since the last roll call back in September I've been wondering if there was any interest on the part of members of this list to do a geographically-based roll call. My thinking here is that throwing out lists of names can match people up pretty easily with other researchers working on the same surnames, but it doesn't help people whose family links may be obscured by things like missing wives' surnames. Some (most?) of us are probably pretty good at scanning indexes for surnames and yet miss things on our families that somebody researching another family might have. Anyway, families did seem to have a geographic concentration, or a home base, before spreading out later, that might help in figuring out some inter-family connections. If there's an interest, I would suggest, as the title above shows, that we start with Athens, move to the other towns on the river and then work our way inland, like I suspect the population did. Somebody want to toss in an Athens family name to start it off? Or should I? Jim Brady ==== NYGREENE Mailing List ==== Your on-line source for Greene County history and genealogy. Stop on by and find your lost link! http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Jeremy: I tie in through Anneatje Dederick (b Abt. 05 Nov 1768) who was my 3rd great-aunt. My 3rd great-grandfather, her brother was CASPAR DEDRICH (abt 1771-1818) in Coxsackie, NY Their father was HENDRICK DIEDERIK b 11 Dec 1733 (Family Search.org - Ancestral File Number 22DDKC9) I show her married to Joachem Hallenbeck and that they were parents of Caspar, Hendrick, John and Betsey Hallenbeck. All the information I have came from the www and included One World Tree, Family Search and Ancestry.com I have ten generations from Caspar Hallenbeck back. This information has not been verified, but if you are interested, I can send it to you by e-mail. In Rich Text format (206 KB). It is a good place to start your own personal research. Best regards, Ray Smith