East of the Thruway is called Austin's Glen. ~ Ron W ~ Today is a gift ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <[email protected]> To: "Greene County List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: [NYGREENE] Catskill Creek > Does anyone know the name of the series of rapids/little waterfalls that > are on the Catskill Creek right under the Rte 23 Bypass near the Thruway > turnoff? > > Sylvia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know the name of the series of rapids/little waterfalls that are on the Catskill Creek right under the Rte 23 Bypass near the Thruway turnoff? Sylvia

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I am looking for a David Simmons and a Sarah Simmons from Ulster Co. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Sieglinger/Simmons > While I'm not researching the family, I do have several Simmon's in my > files from Ulster County from the early 1800's: > Ken Margison > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:37 pm > Subject: [NYGREENE] Sieglinger/Simmons > > > > Is anyone researching the surname Sieglinger? > > Buried in the Greenville Cemetery is a > John C Sieglinger 1911-1995 and his wife Ethel 1912-1993. > > John is the son of John Peter Sieglinger and Pearl E Simmons. > Pearl is my grandpa's cousin and I'd like to know more about her. > > Cindy > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did not know that that section had an "official name".... All I ever heard was the Catskill Creek.   Dave --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> Subject: [NYGREENE] Catskill Creek To: "Greene County List" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 3:22 PM Does anyone know the name of the series of rapids/little waterfalls that are on the Catskill Creek right under the Rte 23 Bypass near the Thruway turnoff? Sylvia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While I'm not researching the family, I do have several Simmon's in my files from Ulster County from the early 1800's: Ken Margison -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:37 pm Subject: [NYGREENE] Sieglinger/Simmons Is anyone researching the surname Sieglinger? Buried in the Greenville Cemetery is a John C Sieglinger 1911-1995 and his wife Ethel 1912-1993. John is the son of John Peter Sieglinger and Pearl E Simmons. Pearl is my grandpa's cousin and I'd like to know more about her. Cindy **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sam, Thank you. Peggy On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Sam Ferguson <[email protected]>wrote: > Peggy, > > Plug in any one of these WorldConnect IDs, they all show pretty much the > same data, and they all appear to be submitted by Joseph Short: > > jdshort > :a53900 > :731003 > jds1947 > > Good luck, > Sam > >

Hi Sam, I just found out from Jennifer that you are her father! Makes sense, then, that you have that info! I had hoped to find the connection for William, but to date, I haven't, although there are tantalizing clues. Hopefully the feelers I've put out will bear fruit. Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > Ken, > > There were 2 Nellie Palens, the Nellie who married John Madison Short was > born 8 Oct 1859, Boiceville, Ulster County, died 14 Feb 1954, Cottekille, > Ulster County, her parents were Alanson Palen and Catherine Ann Van > Kleeck. > > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > >> >> >> >> He >> married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way >> >> Nellie Palen b 24 Aug 1868 Marbletown, Ulster County, New York. dau. of >> Eli Palen b.1810 and Helen Scott b.1846. The recent election led me to >> her. I think she's related distantly to Sarah ! >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 8:50 am >> Subject: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts >> >> >> >> John Madison Short, son if William Short and Delia Cole, both from >> Shandaken, according to his death certificate, a copy of which I have. He >> married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way. He had borthers >> William, >> b. abt 1872, Adelbert, b. abt 1874, Fernando, b. abt 1866 and a sister, >> Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have the death >> certificates >> of Fernando, Sarah and John Madison, who were all born in Greene Co, >> likely >> in Edgewood, Town of Hunter. Fernando states that his mother was Delia >> Bailey, b. CT, but I believe this Delia was b. 1850 in Columbia Co to >> Benjamin Bailey and his wife Mary. Benjamin and Mary moved to Lexington, >> Greene Co, abt 1851. By the 1870 census Benjamin Bailey and family were >> living in Shandaken, Ulster Co. So, there appears to be two Delia's in >> William Short's life. >> >> The Shandaken Short seem to be "lost" Shorts. I have quite a few >> unmatched >> Shorts in the 1855 cenuses: >> William Short, aged 20 in the household of Davis Winne >> Western (?) Short, aged 22 in the household of Mary Eavers >> Edward Short 14, in household of Christian Wagoner, a tanner, aged 35, b. >> Germany. He islisted as "son", b. Ulster Co. Christian's wife is Maria, >> aged >> 48, b. Ulster Co. Edward is likely her son and she was widowed. >> >> Are all these Shorts related, I wonder. >> >> Sylvia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Syllvia, Sam Ferguson sent me info on Timothy and Andries Cole. He has Charles parents as Timothy and Rhoda. Andries looks promising for my Mary: Andres (Andrew) COLE Sex: M Birth: in Holland Marriage 1 Annie UNKNOWN b: in Holland Children Henry COLE b: 1799 in Holland John COLE Kate COLE Mary COLE Name: Henry COLE Sex: M Birth: 1799 in Holland Marriage 1 Anna TYLER b: 1790 in Halcott, Greene, NY Henry and Anna had 8 children. If Henry settled in Greene County, it's possible Mary did also. The birth dates look promising. ~Ken~ -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:57 pm Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts Ken, in the 1880 census Charles Cole is living next door to Timothy Cole, aged 62 and his wife Rhoda, aged 56 and children Jane A. 37, Cathrine 32, Milton B. 19 and Angelo 13 Possibly Charles' parents? Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > Thanks for the Palen info. I'll correct what I have. > Concerning Charles Lorenzo Cole, would you know his parents? I've been > searching for the family of Mary "Polly" Cole b. 1799 in Greene County, > married to Joseph Benjamin b. 1799 in Lumberland, Ulster County before > settling in Ashland Greene County. > ~Ken~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Ferguson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:46 am > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > > > Ken, > > We have Charles Lorenzo Cole, born 9 Jan 1852, Edgewood, Greene, New York; > died 13 Nov 1943, Quitmann Sanitarium, Kingston, Ulster, New York; buried > Hudler Cemetery, Mt Tremper. > Charles married Sarah Lydia Short 7 Apr 1878, Edgewood, she was born 3 Aug > 1860, Edgewood, Greene, New York; died 19 Jul 1938, Kingston, Ulster, New > York; buried Hudler Cemetery. > According to the the 1910 Census for town of Hurley she had given birth to > 15 children, 9 living. > No. 7 - Rosia Nellie Cole, b 5 Aug 1889, at Mt Tremper, d 28 Jul 1908. > > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > >> >> >> >> a sister, >> Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. >> >> I have Charles Cole, birth date unknown, married to Sarah Short ABT. >> 1907. >> One daughter I know of, Rose N Cole b.1889, d.28July1908 in West Hurley. >> Rose married Walter B. Ostrander b.1880, son of Marcus Ostrander and Mary >> Margaret Lane . >> >> Ken >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected] m> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 8:50 am >> Subject: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts >> >> >> >> John Madison Short, son if William Short and Delia Cole, both from >> Shandaken, according to his death certificate, a copy of which I have. He >> married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way. He had borthers >> William, >> b. abt 1872, Adelbert, b. abt 1874, Fernando, b. abt 1866 and a sister, >> Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have the death >> certificates >> of Fernando, Sarah and John Madison, who were all born in Greene Co, >> likely >> in Edgewood, Town of Hunter. Fernando states that his mother was Delia >> Bailey, b. CT, but I believe this Delia was b. 1850 in Columbia Co to >> Benjamin Bailey and his wife Mary. Benjamin and Mary moved to Lexington, >> Greene Co, abt 1851. By the 1870 census Benjamin Bailey and family were >> living in Shandaken, Ulster Co. So, there appears to be two Delia's in >> Willia > m Short's life. >> >> The Shandaken Short seem to be "lost" Shorts. I have quite a few >> unmatched >> Shorts in the 1855 cenuses: >> William Short, aged 20 in the household of Davis Winne >> Western (?) Short, aged 22 in the household of Mary Eavers >> Edward Short 14, in household of Christian Wagoner, a tanner, aged 35, b. >> Germany. He islisted as "son", b. Ulster Co. Christian's wife is Maria, >> aged >> 48, b. Ulster Co. Edward is likely her son and she was widowed. >> >> Are all these Shorts related, I wonder. >> >> Sylvia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please se nd an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, in the 1880 census Charles Cole is living next door to Timothy Cole, aged 62 and his wife Rhoda, aged 56 and children Jane A. 37, Cathrine 32, Milton B. 19 and Angelo 13 Possibly Charles' parents? Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > Thanks for the Palen info. I'll correct what I have. > Concerning Charles Lorenzo Cole, would you know his parents? I've been > searching for the family of Mary "Polly" Cole b. 1799 in Greene County, > married to Joseph Benjamin b. 1799 in Lumberland, Ulster County before > settling in Ashland Greene County. > ~Ken~ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Ferguson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:46 am > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > > > Ken, > > We have Charles Lorenzo Cole, born 9 Jan 1852, Edgewood, Greene, New York; > died 13 Nov 1943, Quitmann Sanitarium, Kingston, Ulster, New York; buried > Hudler Cemetery, Mt Tremper. > Charles married Sarah Lydia Short 7 Apr 1878, Edgewood, she was born 3 Aug > 1860, Edgewood, Greene, New York; died 19 Jul 1938, Kingston, Ulster, New > York; buried Hudler Cemetery. > According to the the 1910 Census for town of Hurley she had given birth to > 15 children, 9 living. > No. 7 - Rosia Nellie Cole, b 5 Aug 1889, at Mt Tremper, d 28 Jul 1908. > > Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > >> >> >> >> a sister, >> Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. >> >> I have Charles Cole, birth date unknown, married to Sarah Short ABT. >> 1907. >> One daughter I know of, Rose N Cole b.1889, d.28July1908 in West Hurley. >> Rose married Walter B. Ostrander b.1880, son of Marcus Ostrander and Mary >> Margaret Lane . >> >> Ken >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 8:50 am >> Subject: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts >> >> >> >> John Madison Short, son if William Short and Delia Cole, both from >> Shandaken, according to his death certificate, a copy of which I have. He >> married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way. He had borthers >> William, >> b. abt 1872, Adelbert, b. abt 1874, Fernando, b. abt 1866 and a sister, >> Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have the death >> certificates >> of Fernando, Sarah and John Madison, who were all born in Greene Co, >> likely >> in Edgewood, Town of Hunter. Fernando states that his mother was Delia >> Bailey, b. CT, but I believe this Delia was b. 1850 in Columbia Co to >> Benjamin Bailey and his wife Mary. Benjamin and Mary moved to Lexington, >> Greene Co, abt 1851. By the 1870 census Benjamin Bailey and family were >> living in Shandaken, Ulster Co. So, there appears to be two Delia's in >> Willia > m Short's life. >> >> The Shandaken Short seem to be "lost" Shorts. I have quite a few >> unmatched >> Shorts in the 1855 cenuses: >> William Short, aged 20 in the household of Davis Winne >> Western (?) Short, aged 22 in the household of Mary Eavers >> Edward Short 14, in household of Christian Wagoner, a tanner, aged 35, b. >> Germany. He islisted as "son", b. Ulster Co. Christian's wife is Maria, >> aged >> 48, b. Ulster Co. Edward is likely her son and she was widowed. >> >> Are all these Shorts related, I wonder. >> >> Sylvia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the Palen info. I'll correct what I have. Concerning Charles Lorenzo Cole, would you know his parents? I've been searching for the family of Mary "Polly" Cole b. 1799 in Greene County, married to Joseph Benjamin b. 1799 in Lumberland, Ulster County before settling in Ashland Greene County. ~Ken~ -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ferguson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:46 am Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts Ken, We have Charles Lorenzo Cole, born 9 Jan 1852, Edgewood, Greene, New York; died 13 Nov 1943, Quitmann Sanitarium, Kingston, Ulster, New York; buried Hudler Cemetery, Mt Tremper. Charles married Sarah Lydia Short 7 Apr 1878, Edgewood, she was born 3 Aug 1860, Edgewood, Greene, New York; died 19 Jul 1938, Kingston, Ulster, New York; buried Hudler Cemetery. According to the the 1910 Census for town of Hurley she had given birth to 15 children, 9 living. No. 7 - Rosia Nellie Cole, b 5 Aug 1889, at Mt Tremper, d 28 Jul 1908. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > > > a sister, > Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. > > I have Charles Cole, birth date unknown, married to Sarah Short ABT. 1907. > One daughter I know of, Rose N Cole b.1889, d.28July1908 in West Hurley. > Rose married Walter B. Ostrander b.1880, son of Marcus Ostrander and Mary > Margaret Lane . > > Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 8:50 am > Subject: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > > > John Madison Short, son if William Short and Delia Cole, both from > Shandaken, according to his death certificate, a copy of which I have. He > married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way. He had borthers William, > b. abt 1872, Adelbert, b. abt 1874, Fernando, b. abt 1866 and a sister, > Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have the death > certificates > of Fernando, Sarah and John Madison, who were all born in Greene Co, > likely > in Edgewood, Town of Hunter. Fernando states that his mother was Delia > Bailey, b. CT, but I believe this Delia was b. 1850 in Columbia Co to > Benjamin Bailey and his wife Mary. Benjamin and Mary moved to Lexington, > Greene Co, abt 1851. By the 1870 census Benjamin Bailey and family were > living in Shandaken, Ulster Co. So, there appears to be two Delia's in > Willia m Short's life. > > The Shandaken Short seem to be "lost" Shorts. I have quite a few unmatched > Shorts in the 1855 cenuses: > William Short, aged 20 in the household of Davis Winne > Western (?) Short, aged 22 in the household of Mary Eavers > Edward Short 14, in household of Christian Wagoner, a tanner, aged 35, b. > Germany. He islisted as "son", b. Ulster Co. Christian's wife is Maria, > aged > 48, b. Ulster Co. Edward is likely her son and she was widowed. > > Are all these Shorts related, I wonder. > > Sylvia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ken, yes Sarah married Charles Cole. By the 1880 census they were living in Hunter and her two borther Adelbert and William are in the household aged 6 and 8 respectively Name: Adelbert B. Short Home in 1880: Hunter, Greene, New York Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Birthplace: New York Relation to Head of Household: Brother-in-law Father's birthplace: New York Mother's birthplace: New York Neighbors: View others on page Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age Charles Cole 27 Sarah A. Cole 19 Norman J. Cole 1 William E. Short 8 Adelbert B. Short 6 I have Sarah's death certificate Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > > > > a sister, > Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. > > I have Charles Cole, birth date unknown, married to Sarah Short ABT. 1907. > One daughter I know of, Rose N Cole b.1889, d.28July1908 in West Hurley. > Rose married Walter B. Ostrander b.1880, son of Marcus Ostrander and Mary > Margaret Lane . > > Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 8:50 am > Subject: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > > > John Madison Short, son if William Short and Delia Cole, both from > Shandaken, according to his death certificate, a copy of which I have. He > married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way. He had borthers William, > b. abt 1872, Adelbert, b. abt 1874, Fernando, b. abt 1866 and a sister, > Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have the death > certificates > of Fernando, Sarah and John Madison, who were all born in Greene Co, > likely > in Edgewood, Town of Hunter. Fernando states that his mother was Delia > Bailey, b. CT, but I believe this Delia was b. 1850 in Columbia Co to > Benjamin Bailey and his wife Mary. Benjamin and Mary moved to Lexington, > Greene Co, abt 1851. By the 1870 census Benjamin Bailey and family were > living in Shandaken, Ulster Co. So, there appears to be two Delia's in > William Short's life. > > The Shandaken Short seem to be "lost" Shorts. I have quite a few unmatched > Shorts in the 1855 cenuses: > William Short, aged 20 in the household of Davis Winne > Western (?) Short, aged 22 in the household of Mary Eavers > Edward Short 14, in household of Christian Wagoner, a tanner, aged 35, b. > Germany. He islisted as "son", b. Ulster Co. Christian's wife is Maria, > aged > 48, b. Ulster Co. Edward is likely her son and she was widowed. > > Are all these Shorts related, I wonder. > > Sylvia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

He married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way Nellie Palen b 24 Aug 1868 Marbletown, Ulster County, New York. dau. of Eli Palen b.1810 and Helen Scott b.1846. The recent election led me to her. I think she's related distantly to Sarah ! -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 8:50 am Subject: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts John Madison Short, son if William Short and Delia Cole, both from Shandaken, according to his death certificate, a copy of which I have. He married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way. He had borthers William, b. abt 1872, Adelbert, b. abt 1874, Fernando, b. abt 1866 and a sister, Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have the death certificates of Fernando, Sarah and John Madison, who were all born in Greene Co, likely in Edgewood, Town of Hunter. Fernando states that his mother was Delia Bailey, b. CT, but I believe this Delia was b. 1850 in Columbia Co to Benjamin Bailey and his wife Mary. Benjamin and Mary moved to Lexington, Greene Co, abt 1851. By the 1870 census Benjamin Bailey and family were living in Shandaken, Ulster Co. So, there appears to be two Delia's in William Short's life. The Shandaken Short seem to be "lost" Shorts. I have quite a few unmatched Shorts in the 1855 cenuses: William Short, aged 20 in the household of Davis Winne Western (?) Short, aged 22 in the household of Mary Eavers Edward Short 14, in household of Christian Wagoner, a tanner, aged 35, b. Germany. He islisted as "son", b. Ulster Co. Christian's wife is Maria, aged 48, b. Ulster Co. Edward is likely her son and she was widowed. Are all these Shorts related, I wonder. Sylvia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ken, There were 2 Nellie Palens, the Nellie who married John Madison Short was born 8 Oct 1859, Boiceville, Ulster County, died 14 Feb 1954, Cottekille, Ulster County, her parents were Alanson Palen and Catherine Ann Van Kleeck. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > > > He > married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way > > Nellie Palen b 24 Aug 1868 Marbletown, Ulster County, New York. dau. of > Eli Palen b.1810 and Helen Scott b.1846. The recent election led me to > her. I think she's related distantly to Sarah ! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 8:50 am > Subject: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > > > John Madison Short, son if William Short and Delia Cole, both from > Shandaken, according to his death certificate, a copy of which I have. He > married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way. He had borthers William, > b. abt 1872, Adelbert, b. abt 1874, Fernando, b. abt 1866 and a sister, > Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have the death > certificates > of Fernando, Sarah and John Madison, who were all born in Greene Co, > likely > in Edgewood, Town of Hunter. Fernando states that his mother was Delia > Bailey, b. CT, but I believe this Delia was b. 1850 in Columbia Co to > Benjamin Bailey and his wife Mary. Benjamin and Mary moved to Lexington, > Greene Co, abt 1851. By the 1870 census Benjamin Bailey and family were > living in Shandaken, Ulster Co. So, there appears to be two Delia's in > William Short's life. > > The Shandaken Short seem to be "lost" Shorts. I have quite a few unmatched > Shorts in the 1855 cenuses: > William Short, aged 20 in the household of Davis Winne > Western (?) Short, aged 22 in the household of Mary Eavers > Edward Short 14, in household of Christian Wagoner, a tanner, aged 35, b. > Germany. He islisted as "son", b. Ulster Co. Christian's wife is Maria, > aged > 48, b. Ulster Co. Edward is likely her son and she was widowed. > > Are all these Shorts related, I wonder. > > Sylvia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ken, We have Charles Lorenzo Cole, born 9 Jan 1852, Edgewood, Greene, New York; died 13 Nov 1943, Quitmann Sanitarium, Kingston, Ulster, New York; buried Hudler Cemetery, Mt Tremper. Charles married Sarah Lydia Short 7 Apr 1878, Edgewood, she was born 3 Aug 1860, Edgewood, Greene, New York; died 19 Jul 1938, Kingston, Ulster, New York; buried Hudler Cemetery. According to the the 1910 Census for town of Hurley she had given birth to 15 children, 9 living. No. 7 - Rosia Nellie Cole, b 5 Aug 1889, at Mt Tremper, d 28 Jul 1908. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > > > a sister, > Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. > > I have Charles Cole, birth date unknown, married to Sarah Short ABT. 1907. > One daughter I know of, Rose N Cole b.1889, d.28July1908 in West Hurley. > Rose married Walter B. Ostrander b.1880, son of Marcus Ostrander and Mary > Margaret Lane . > > Ken > -----Original Message----- > From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 8:50 am > Subject: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts > > > > John Madison Short, son if William Short and Delia Cole, both from > Shandaken, according to his death certificate, a copy of which I have. He > married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way. He had borthers William, > b. abt 1872, Adelbert, b. abt 1874, Fernando, b. abt 1866 and a sister, > Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have the death > certificates > of Fernando, Sarah and John Madison, who were all born in Greene Co, > likely > in Edgewood, Town of Hunter. Fernando states that his mother was Delia > Bailey, b. CT, but I believe this Delia was b. 1850 in Columbia Co to > Benjamin Bailey and his wife Mary. Benjamin and Mary moved to Lexington, > Greene Co, abt 1851. By the 1870 census Benjamin Bailey and family were > living in Shandaken, Ulster Co. So, there appears to be two Delia's in > William Short's life. > > The Shandaken Short seem to be "lost" Shorts. I have quite a few unmatched > Shorts in the 1855 cenuses: > William Short, aged 20 in the household of Davis Winne > Western (?) Short, aged 22 in the household of Mary Eavers > Edward Short 14, in household of Christian Wagoner, a tanner, aged 35, b. > Germany. He islisted as "son", b. Ulster Co. Christian's wife is Maria, > aged > 48, b. Ulster Co. Edward is likely her son and she was widowed. > > Are all these Shorts related, I wonder. > > Sylvia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

a sister, Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have Charles Cole, birth date unknown, married to Sarah Short ABT. 1907. One daughter I know of, Rose N Cole b.1889, d.28July1908 in West Hurley. Rose married Walter B. Ostrander b.1880, son of Marcus Ostrander and Mary Margaret Lane . Ken -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia Hasenkopf <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 8:50 am Subject: [NYGREENE] Shandaken Shorts John Madison Short, son if William Short and Delia Cole, both from Shandaken, according to his death certificate, a copy of which I have. He married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way. He had borthers William, b. abt 1872, Adelbert, b. abt 1874, Fernando, b. abt 1866 and a sister, Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have the death certificates of Fernando, Sarah and John Madison, who were all born in Greene Co, likely in Edgewood, Town of Hunter. Fernando states that his mother was Delia Bailey, b. CT, but I believe this Delia was b. 1850 in Columbia Co to Benjamin Bailey and his wife Mary. Benjamin and Mary moved to Lexington, Greene Co, abt 1851. By the 1870 census Benjamin Bailey and family were living in Shandaken, Ulster Co. So, there appears to be two Delia's in William Short's life. The Shandaken Short seem to be "lost" Shorts. I have quite a few unmatched Shorts in the 1855 cenuses: William Short, aged 20 in the household of Davis Winne Western (?) Short, aged 22 in the household of Mary Eavers Edward Short 14, in household of Christian Wagoner, a tanner, aged 35, b. Germany. He islisted as "son", b. Ulster Co. Christian's wife is Maria, aged 48, b. Ulster Co. Edward is likely her son and she was widowed. Are all these Shorts related, I wonder. Sylvia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Madison Short, son if William Short and Delia Cole, both from Shandaken, according to his death certificate, a copy of which I have. He married Nellie Palen and lived out Rosendale way. He had borthers William, b. abt 1872, Adelbert, b. abt 1874, Fernando, b. abt 1866 and a sister, Sarah, b. abt 1860, who married Charles Cole. I have the death certificates of Fernando, Sarah and John Madison, who were all born in Greene Co, likely in Edgewood, Town of Hunter. Fernando states that his mother was Delia Bailey, b. CT, but I believe this Delia was b. 1850 in Columbia Co to Benjamin Bailey and his wife Mary. Benjamin and Mary moved to Lexington, Greene Co, abt 1851. By the 1870 census Benjamin Bailey and family were living in Shandaken, Ulster Co. So, there appears to be two Delia's in William Short's life. The Shandaken Short seem to be "lost" Shorts. I have quite a few unmatched Shorts in the 1855 cenuses: William Short, aged 20 in the household of Davis Winne Western (?) Short, aged 22 in the household of Mary Eavers Edward Short 14, in household of Christian Wagoner, a tanner, aged 35, b. Germany. He islisted as "son", b. Ulster Co. Christian's wife is Maria, aged 48, b. Ulster Co. Edward is likely her son and she was widowed. Are all these Shorts related, I wonder. Sylvia

Sylvia, I just realized that I have Abraham Short's death record, he who married Sarah France and supposedly son of John Short and Anna France. His death records says he was the son of Wm. Short and Ann France! Maybe the Domine got the wrong name? Maybe it was copied wrongly? ak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Hasenkopf" <[email protected]> To: "Greene County List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: [NYGREENE] John Short and Anna France > Okay, still working on this Short family - anyone know who were the > parents of John Short who married Anna France? Children Abraham, b. Nov 4, > 1828. > > Sylvia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

_ http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=jdshort&recno=1663_ (http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=jdshort&recno=1663) In a message dated 11/17/2008 9:47:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Sam, > His data is on Rootsweb, several times in his name, and also with a few other submitter's names. Is that in WorldConnect? Could you please point me to it? Back when I was in touch with him, I think he had a couple of family web sites. But they seem to be gone. Thanks, Peggy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)