I am sending this info to 3 lists.... ALL are included because these people either lived in the Locations OR are related in some way .. IF anyone can Help.. MANSIR/NMANSUR is very intriguing .. (below) <<<The following is from the card file of Elmer Shepard a professor at Williams College in Williamstown, MA and respected genealogist. His data is usually very accurate, I don't know how he had the time to research it all. Much of the following was obtained from Probate Records. >> from another genealogist .. Tyringham, MA Card File Chester UPHAM Married to Rhoda HIN(S)MAN (parentage unknown but I WILL find it ) s/o Nathan of Tyringham & Rhoda (FISHER) Nathan d. >1829 <1831 Chester and Rhoda's Children: Sydney Hanson UPHAM (1844 residence) Burr Oak, St. Joseph County, MI DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO THIS IS ???? MY ancestor was ANSON UPHAM... this SEEMS to be a likely name for him .. But cannot find it anywhere ! Albert T. " " " , " " " , " Elizabeth Wells went to Wayne, Lansing MI Charlotte Jane " married SANBURN " " , " " Actually married Gideon SANBORN Went to MI Mary Malinda " " Actually married Franklin G. NORTON " " , " " " , " Lucy " " Actually married Franklin G. NORTH Blissfield, Lenawee County, MI Rebecca A. UNKNOWN James b. > 1823 Married UNKNOWN ? To Me.. Burr Oak, St. Joseph County, MI Freeman F. Married Olive HOWE Step sister and brother Stephen C. Elba, Genesee County, NY Married UNKNOWN to Me Clarissa " , " " , " UNKNOWN ... Additional Notes: Berkshire Probate # 4829 (Nathan's Probate Record) " " # 5165 (Guardian for Chester) Widow Rhoda, Batavia, NY Oct 4,1831 Guardian to 10 children (NOTE: Shepard wasn't sure of which Rhoda, Nathan's wife (FISHER) or Chester's widow (HIN(S)MAN). Chester's widow makes more sense to me as Nathan's Rhoda died in Tyringham, MA JML) George UPHAM guardian to James of Mich. Apr 2, 1844 (George was Chester's brother in MA ..) Heman MANSIR guardian to Stephen & Clarissa UPHAM May 14, 1844 I found this in Genealogy.com Heman Mansir found in: Marriage Index: Massachusetts, 1633-1850 Married: Nov 30, 1830 in: Sandisfield, Berkshire Co., MA Gender: M This record can be found at: Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT, Film # 1728094. Spouse name: Sage, Sarah ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Monterey, MA Corashire Cemetery UPHAM Charity w/o Nathan d. Dec 20, 1869 69 yrs buried Dec 22, 1869 (Berkshire Courier Weekly, Dec 29, 1869 - died in Monterey Dec 21) Clarissa d/o Nathan & Rhoda d. ? 66 yrs (date cut off & stone split) (Berkshire Courier, Dec 8, 1864 - died in Monterey Nov 30, 1864) Curtis George s/o Henry N. d. Sep 11, 1868 2 yrs buried Sep 12, 1868 (Berkshire Courier, Sep 23, 1868 - died in Monterey) Cynthia d/o Nathan & Rhoda d. Apr 1, 1825 28 yrs (Tyringham VR b. Sep 22, 1796) George d. Oct 30, 1855 69 yrs buried Nov 1, 1855 Eunice w/o George d. Jan 6, 1872 83yrs, 3 mo. (Berkshire Courier, Jan 10, 1872 - died in Monterey Jan 5, 1872) Nathan d. Dec 1, 1828 69 yrs buried Dec 3, 1828 Rhoda w/o Nathan d. Jun 9, 1843 81 yrs buried Jun 11, 1843 (Tyringham VRs d. Jun 8, 1843) Nathan d. Jan 13, 1880 80 yrs buried Jan 14, 1880 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jill in SoCal .......... Thanks Joe ..