I just make contact with the MANSIR Line that had guardianship over my Ggg Grandfathers last two children.. they were in Elba/Batavia and the guardian was in Tyringham MA ??? Huh ?? don't get that one. Is there a Mental Institution in Elba? Are there Records? Any ideas on how to find IF granddad was there ? Grand Mom, Rhoda HINMAN Upham Howe, was okay and had had 11 children ..granddad Chester UPHAM died a few months after moving to Elba in 1830 ... He may have been in the War of 1812 .. Rhoda lived to her late 70's and married Ira HOWE in Elba and they raised 21 children together ... combined families... Jill in SO Cal