Hi Joanne Gaudio, There are Federal censuses available on microfilm for the years from 1790 to 1930. There are New York State Censuses available on microfilm for the years from 1835 to 1925. Not every county is available for all of the census years. Go online to <http://www.familysearch.org/> www.familysearch.org to see which censuses are available at the LDS Family History Centers. These censuses are available in many libraries also. It will cost you about $6.00 per reel of microfilm at the Family History Centers. You will be able to view each reel you order for about 3 weeks. Richard

I'm trying to figure out why my ancestors came to Fulton Co. (then Montgomery Co.) in 1821 when the first couple, Benjamin and Dorothy Toplis Ripton, came from Derbyshire, England, through New York harbor, and directly to upstate NY (their oldest son was born in late 1821 and baptised at the Johnstown Methodist Episcopal Church in 1822). Benjamin Ripton was listed on the ship's manifest as a farmer. Was there land easily available? Were people in NYC recruiting farmers? Did New Yorkers recruit new farmers over in England? (the couple left England almost immediately after thier marriage) I'm just curious as to how they'd get all the way up to the Mohawk Valley so quickly. Two other sisters of Dorothy Toplis came later (William and Elizabeth Toplis Burton in 1823 and the widowed Lydia Toplis Hunter and her children in 1842), and other Derbyshire based families also came later, but Benjamin and Dorothy had, as far as I know, no connections to the area. I've been reading through a copy of the "Illustrated History of Montgomery and Fulton Counties, New York" that I recently acquired, and I see that there was good farming in the area, but that was no doubt true of much of New York at the time. Anyone have any ideas on the special attraction of this area? Thanks. Joanne Gaudio

To anyone who has looked at the microfilms from Fulton Co. records, I have a couple questions before I order them for study from my local Family History Center - Are the state censuses (like 1845, 1855) indexed? Or do you just have to go through name by name to find who you want? (I'm wondering how much time to allow) Does anyone know if the "Records of births, deaths & marriages for the towns of Broadalbin, Northampton and Johnstown,..1847-1849" contains different records than the Fulton Co. "Vital record returns of Town Clerks, 1847-1849"? I'm looking for several marriages and deaths in that period and wonder if I need to order both. Any guidance will be much appreciated. Thanks. Joanne Gaudio

Ha, That's funny. Great minds think alike! \grin/ I just sent my answer to you at the exact same time you sent this one. Let me know how you make out. If no one wants to put it up, I'll put it on my website for you. Dick On 2/17/07, Richard Hayes <RAHayes@chartermi.net> wrote: > > Hi Dick, > > > > I extracted my Chase information from microfilm copies of the Fulton > County, NY censuses from 1845 to 1880. Do you know of any person who > might want to post them to a website. They were on one of the Chase > websites that Keith Hume manages, but I have not checked for them in > years. The best place would be them would be on the Fulton County > website. > > > > Richard. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYFULTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy website: http://www.unyg.com blog: http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ member: Association of Professional Genealogists (APG)

The 1855 census says exactly where they were born, for instance which specific county (if born in NYS,) or which other state, or which country if foreign born. In the event that you do not have the films at hand and did not copy down that piece of information, don't fret, it was just a thought. I'm pretty sure that none of my direct line came through there, just thought I might pick up something new. It's an excellent project that you did anyway. Perhaps your GenWeb county coordinator might like to post the results on-line.(?) Best regards. Dick Hillenbrand On 2/17/07, Richard Hayes <RAHayes@chartermi.net> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Dick, > > > > I can not tell from looking at the censuses where a person was born. I > think you have to get to the 1900 Census to get a birth location. A few > of the people were born in Canada. > > > > Richard > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYFULTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy website: http://www.unyg.com blog: http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ member: Association of Professional Genealogists (APG)

Hi Dick, I extracted my Chase information from microfilm copies of the Fulton County, NY censuses from 1845 to 1880. Do you know of any person who might want to post them to a website. They were on one of the Chase websites that Keith Hume manages, but I have not checked for them in years. The best place would be them would be on the Fulton County website. Richard.

Hello Dick, I can not tell from looking at the censuses where a person was born. I think you have to get to the 1900 Census to get a birth location. A few of the people were born in Canada. Richard

Hi Joanne Fulton County has NYS Census Records for the following Years: These are also available at your Local Family History Center (LDS Church) and can be ordered for a small fee and reviewed at no additional charge on their viewers. A Great way if one cannot get to the area. 1845 1855 1865 1875 1892 1905 1915 1925 In addition one should also look for the 1890 Veteran Schedule to substitute for the 1890 Federal Census that is missing. Many Counties also kept Agricultural Census records for certain years and since this was a major occupation in early years they can be very valuable. Business Directories, Early Maps (with owners names) and other items are out there in various area's also. I suggest you contact the Gloversville Library att: Historical Reference Room for other possible information. Snail Mail is your best approach in doing this. If at all possible a trip there would be worthwhile as they have info regarding surrounding area's also. URL http://www.gloversvillelibrary.org/hist.html Good Luck Pat R

None of them do. That does not start until the 1850 federal census, and then the best census IMHO is the 1855. On 2/16/07, Joanne Gaudio <jgaudio@charter.net> wrote: > > Thank you, Dick. Do you know if that 1845 Fulton Co. census gives names > other than just the head of household? Joanne Gaudio > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYFULTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy website: http://www.unyg.com blog: http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ member: Association of Professional Genealogists (APG)

Thank you, Dick. Do you know if that 1845 Fulton Co. census gives names other than just the head of household? Joanne Gaudio

Yes, a great resource. See my website and click on NY COUNTIES & CENSUS. There will be a list of all known NYS census that exist for each county. They may be seen at the NYS Library or any LDS FHC, or usually at the county clerk in the county of choice. Also if you click on the county name in the chart it will take you right to that particular county's GenWeb site. A few of the state census have been extracted by volunteers, but certainly not all. Dick Hillenbrand On 2/16/07, Joanne Gaudio <jgaudio@charter.net> wrote: > > Maybe I missed part of this conversation, but are there NY STATE censuses > for Fulton Co. available somewhere? I've seen them for other states, but > I > didn't know NY had any. Joanne Gaudio > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYFULTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy website: http://www.unyg.com blog: http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ member: Association of Professional Genealogists (APG)

Maybe I missed part of this conversation, but are there NY STATE censuses for Fulton Co. available somewhere? I've seen them for other states, but I didn't know NY had any. Joanne Gaudio

Hi Richard, You are doing a great service. The state census are most important. I do not think any of my CHASEs were there but they "could" have been I suppose. If you have any that said they were born in Washington Co., NY., I would be interested. You might want to post this announcement on the CHASE message board as well. Dick Hillenbrand On 2/16/07, Richard Hayes <RAHayes@chartermi.net> wrote: > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I extracted all of the Chase families listed in the Fulton County, NY > censuses for the years from 1855 thru 1875. > > > > I have a Lura Chase who married my graet uncle Charles Richard Sanford > about 1885. I have Lura's parents as Dr. Byron Chase and her mother as > Elizabeth La Rives. Is anyone researching the Chase family in Fulton > County? > > > > Richard > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYFULTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy website: http://www.unyg.com blog: http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/ member: Association of Professional Genealogists (APG)

Hello All, I extracted all of the Chase families listed in the Fulton County, NY censuses for the years from 1855 thru 1875. I have a Lura Chase who married my graet uncle Charles Richard Sanford about 1885. I have Lura's parents as Dr. Byron Chase and her mother as Elizabeth La Rives. Is anyone researching the Chase family in Fulton County? Richard

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.fulton/2508.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: A friend of mine has many old photos of W. Fulton St. I will check to see if there is one of the store among them. I will check on Monday at the archives for death certs. for those you referenced which should give information on who provided data on the deceased. (could be brothers, sisters, spouses or children). I can check old newspapers for obits as we have them on microfilm. If Elizabeth died in Gloversville, we would have the death cert., if not and died in the area, I may be able to find an obit in the paper. You can e-mail me at judymx@citlink.net if you have further info or questions.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.fulton/2508.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Judy, thanks very much for your reply. William T. Smith was the eldest son of Theodore Smith, my great-great-grandfather. Ceylon Smith was his other son from whom I'm descended. I surely would appreciate anything you could provide, Judy. Until recently I only knew that Theodore had two sons, William and Ceylon (and a daughter Lucy) and nothing else at all about William. Yes, a death certificate and burial information for William would be excellent. Could you throw any light on paths I could take to uncover whether he had any descendants? We are petering out on Ceylon's side so I am curious whether there is a line from William. Would there be a photograph of that store? I am not really interested in Mr. Kloss other than his link to W. T. Smith. I have wondered for some time what was referred to in an old family postcard I have, written on February 27, 1908 in Gloversville and sent to Ceylon's wife in Toronto, Ontario. It reads: "We have been expecting Mr. Smith over here. I called at his brother's store once to see if he had come." The date is interesting. This is only 22 days after Theodore Smith had died on February 5, 1908. I interpret this that Ceylon had gone to Gloversville for his father's funeral (or as soon thereafter that he could) and was staying for awhile and had not made it over to see the friends who sent the card back to his wife in Toronto. So you can see here that I had the lead that William T. had some sort of store and another kind person recently found a reference to the Smith and Kloss grocery store in the Gloversville directories. Judy, is it also possible to get a death certificate for Theodore Smith's wife Elizabeth (Van Valkenburgh) Smith? She died in her nineties in the early 1930s, but I'm not sure what the date was. I am working on the assumption that she died in Gloversville. Also -- how would I go about getting an obituary for Theodore Smith? Where are the records kept for old newspapers? Thanks 1,000,000 for anything that you can provide or direction you can send me in. Daryl/Kitchener, Ontario, Canada dcsxnr05@sympatico.ca

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.fulton/2508.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Smith was William T. Smith. He resided at 8 Temple St. Gloversville, Kloss was John kloss, residing at 85 north St. Gloversville. Did you want a look-up regarding death cert., burial, or ?? The building is still standing on w. Fulton St. Judy Marcoux Dep. City Historian Gloversville, NY

Judy, thanks very much for your reply. William T. Smith was the eldest son of Theodore Smith, my great-great-grandfather. Ceylon Smith was his other son from whom I'm descended. I surely would appreciate anything you could provide, Judy. Until recently I only knew that Theodore had two sons, William and Ceylon (and a daughter Lucy) and nothing else at all about William. Yes, a death certificate and burial information for William would be excellent. Could you throw any light on paths I could take to uncover whether he had any descendants? We are petering out on Ceylon's side so I am curious whether there is a line from William. Would there be a photograph of that store? I am not really interested in Mr. Kloss other than his link to W. T. Smith. I have wondered for some time what was referred to in an old family postcard I have, written on February 27, 1908 in Gloversville and sent to Ceylon's wife in Toronto, Ontario. It reads: "We have been expecting Mr. Smith over here. I called at his brother's store once to see if he had come." The date is interesting. This is only 22 days after Theodore Smith had died on February 5, 1908. I interpret this that Ceylon had gone to Gloversville for his father's funeral (or as soon thereafter that he could) and was staying for awhile and had not made it over to see the friends who sent the card back to his wife in Toronto. So you can see here that I had the lead that William T. had some sort of store and another kind person recently found a reference to the Smith and Kloss grocery store in the Gloversville directories. Judy, is it also possible to get a death certificate for Theodore Smith's wife Elizabeth (Van Valkenburgh) Smith? She died in her nineties in the early 1930s, but I'm not sure what the date was. I am working on the assumption that she died in Gloversville. Also -- how would I go about getting an obituary for Theodore Smith? Where are the records kept for old newspapers? Thanks 1,000,000 for anything that you can provide or direction you can send me in. Daryl/Kitchener, Ontario, Canada dcsxnr05@sympatico.ca -----Original Message----- From: nyfulton-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyfulton-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: February 10, 2007 4:20 PM To: nyfulton-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYFULTON] Smith and Kloss grocery store, Gloversville,NY c. 1900 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.fu lton/2508.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Smith was William T. Smith. He resided at 8 Temple St. Gloversville, Kloss was John kloss, residing at 85 north St. Gloversville. Did you want a look-up regarding death cert., burial, or ?? The building is still standing on w. Fulton St. Judy Marcoux Dep. City Historian Gloversville, NY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYFULTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Graves Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.fulton/2509/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have been unable to find data on John Graves(b. 1823, England) and his family. At one time, I think I found them on the 1860 census. I do not remember if it was the New York Census of Federal. They came to NY in 1859 and at some time left for Illinois and Iowa. Wife Mary, sons Allen and Walter and daughters. I have been unable to get that census from Ancestry.com.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KLOSS SMITH Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.fulton/2508/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Has anyone ever heard of this establishment? It is listed in several editions of the Gloversville and Johnstown City Directory about 1900. The 1902 directory lists the proprietors as W. T. Smith and J. Kloss and the business was located at 15 W. Fulton. I'd appreciate any information however insignificant or any info about either Smith or Kloss. Many thanks Daryl/Kitchener, Ontario, Canada.