Just another kink in finding birth certificates...sometimes the family moved from the county or state before the birth was registered. For example, all of my grandfather's siblings were born in Hyde Park,Chicago,Illinois except for my grandfather & his sister who was born three years before him .At that time the family was in Paw,Paw, Michigan. But the family was back in Chicago three years later. When I contacted Paw Paw Co.Clerk, I was able to obtain a birth certificate for my great-aunt,but my Grandfather's birth was never registered in Michigan. Clerk told me that often happened if the family moved shortly after the child's birth..They would just register the birth in the next city or County , somewhere along the way,or after they had settled. I have to figure what possible route they might have taken in 1886 from PawPaw,Michigan to Chicago,Illinois & check for a birth certificate in Counties along the way. Anyone have any clues to travel routes between those two cities? Joanne

--WebTV-Mail-4662-102 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi Sue, I have had that problem around that time frame as well; it doesn't necessarily mean she wasn't born there. I'm not sure what year reporting the birth became mandatory, but if there was no Dr present, most likely it wasn't. Have you tried looking at church records and censu records? Rose --WebTV-Mail-4662-102 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-7.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.44) by storefull-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-7.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 59D2F432; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: tim1776@webtv.net Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.32]) by smtpin-102-7.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 581B1182; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f521oJ111276; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:50:19 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:50:19 -0700 X-Original-Sender: suken@webtv.net Fri Jun 1 18:50:19 2001 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAlchNqpLaXIVYlNpVRGMtyYEfUyQCFF2ldgPH8tRQxYK446/VswdOv3Ib From: suken@webtv.net (sue) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Old-To: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Birth Certificate Message-ID: <23693-3B184666-1262@storefull-124.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <177rwC.A.-vC.bZEG7@lists2.rootsweb.com> To: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/69 X-Loop: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: NYFRANKL-L-request@rootsweb.com I have contacted the Village of Malone, the Town of Malone, and the Franklin County clerk looking for a birth certificate. My grandmother was thought to have been born in Malone in 1889. I am trying to verify this. According to these three sources apparently she wasn't born there. I'm suspecting she was born in Canada as an older sister was. My question to the listers is -- how do you request a birth certificate from Canada? Does anyone know? Thank you for any ideas. Sue Schroeder ABQ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com --WebTV-Mail-4662-102--

I have contacted the Village of Malone, the Town of Malone, and the Franklin County clerk looking for a birth certificate. My grandmother was thought to have been born in Malone in 1889. I am trying to verify this. According to these three sources apparently she wasn't born there. I'm suspecting she was born in Canada as an older sister was. My question to the listers is -- how do you request a birth certificate from Canada? Does anyone know? Thank you for any ideas. Sue Schroeder ABQ

This is for Rose and whoever else may be looking for Pine Ridge Cemetery in Franklin County. Yes, I know it is Franklin County, not Essex, but there are some Essex County cemeteries included. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~frgen/index.htm Pine Ridge is in Harrietstown. If you need other cemeteries in the area, you may well find them on this list. Good luck. Ida Ransom iransom@earthling.net PS Rose -- Please empty your mailbox so our messages can get through.

Hello.I have previously sent out the email containing the virus. If you got it,DO NOT DELETE IT! it is a file attached to windows that is needed.

Please explain -----Original Message----- From: Kchenez7@cs.com <Kchenez7@cs.com> To: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com <NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: re:virus -dont delete file >Hello.I have previously sent out the email containing the virus. If you got >it,DO NOT DELETE IT! it is a file attached to windows that is needed. > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Please explain more details. Rosemary -----Original Message----- From: Kchenez7@cs.com <Kchenez7@cs.com> To: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com <NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: re:virus -dont delete file >Hello.I have previously sent out the email containing the virus. If you got >it,DO NOT DELETE IT! it is a file attached to windows that is needed. > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

anyone have the address for the above? thanks, Rose "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist---" Last words of union General John Sedgwick, shot in battle 1864

Hi All, Here is a letter that was written by my son that I would like to share with you. Happy Memorial Day. Darlene McKinney Gutierrez Southern California Formerly of New YorkA letter, for the American Military personel around the world: Dear Sir or Ma'am, Thank you. For over two hundred years, the United States Military has stood guard over the greatest political and social experiment in the history of the world. Never once in all that time have you or those that came before you wavered in your commitment to duty and honor, standing firm and strong against all enemies--be they foreign or domestic--steadfast in your belief that our system is right, that our freedoms are precious and worth sacrificing your lives for if needed. Thank you. Never once has the US Military as a whole taken up arms in defiance of the American Way or threatened to overthrow the Republic. From the days of the Minutemen, before the existance of the Republic, to the Civil War where brother fought brother and friend fought friend, to the battlefields of Europe in two World Wars, to the jungles of Viet Nam and, recently, to the deserts of the Middle East, you have always been ready to answer the call to defend our freedom and the freedom of others. And you have always come at that call, ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if needed--not for personal glory, but because you believe in your heart of hearts that such words as Freedom and Honor are worthless if no one is ready to sacrifice themselves in order to protect them. Thank you. You are a member of the largest standing, peace-time, volunteer military in the history of the world. You are the most well trained, the best equipped, and more highly motivated than any other military force the world has ever seen. Yet your mission is one of peace, of guarding against agression. Protecting what our forefathers fought and died for. You believe in what you do. You take the words 'the price of freedom is eternal vigilance' to heart, and live by them day in and day out. We would not be free if not for you, if not for your sacrifices. Thank you. A large number of you are stationed far from home, seperated from family and friends. Stationed in lands where you are foreign, and the people and customs are alien to you. You sail across empty seas with only your shipmates for company and a barely comfortable bunk for a bed. You sleep in  a tent in the middle of nowhere, shiver in the deepest part of the night and eat a breakfast that comes from a tin can or a plastic bag. Your gun is your best friend, a piece of cold metal and plastic; your buddies slogging through the mud and sand and snow alongside you are the very essence of your survival. Your very life depends on giving up a good part of your individuality to become part of 'the team', a team that must work together. Yet, you do not complain. You go, you do your job. You give of yourselves in a way that we can never repay. You willingly and eagerly place yourselves between us and dangerous, hostile and unfriendly nations--you volunteer to do so, and for what? A few hundred dollars a month, a 'thank you' now and then. A parade a couple of times a year. A flag-draped coffin if you're called upon to pay the ultimate price of freedom. Yet, still, you go. You do what is asked of you for the simple reasons of 'someone has to do it; it must be done'. Thank you. You do not bow or kneel to any man or woman. Your loyalty is not given to a person, but an entire nation. An ideal, the belief that Freedom is precious and worth dying for. "I swear to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. . ." That is not an empty phrase to you. Even when our leaders look on that oath as a mere necessity of public office and will stand before the American People and outright lie to us, you remain true to it. You live by it. You are, everyone of you, the very embodiment of that oath. You keep it from becoming hollow and meaningless. You give it meaning. Thank you. We cry as a nation when one of you comes home to us in a flag-draped coffin. We beat our chests and shake our fists, cry out for revenge--and then forget you. We turn away from the pain, turn our backs on those you left behind, and go on living our lives in the freedom your blood bought for us. We don't like to think about that cost of freedom--the price of blood you so willingly pay. But, still, someone will fill the space left. Someone will take up the call, step up to the line, put on that uniform and do what must be done. And, in doing so, that man or woman does the memory of those that have passed on more honor than any of us ever have. Thank you. Those two words are not enough. They are pitiful when compared to what you do for us every day of the year. But it's all I have to offer you in return for what you give me. I wish there was more, but there is not. So, with heartfelt humility and overwhelming gratitude, I repeat them again: Thank you. Each and every one of you--thank you very much. Frederic Gutierrez Onisseman@aol.com

Can anyone connect to Denio (Denoyer) surname in Chateaugay? Also Patenaude (Patnode)? Steven

I am wondering whether anyone might have access to the 1850 census for Franklin Co.? I would very much like to get a copy, or at least a transciption of this entry: Year Surname Given Name County State Page Township 1850 STAMA DUSTIN Franklin NY 169 Chateaugay I believe this might be my 3G grandfather Dustin Santamore/Santamo/St. Amour? If anyone would be able to help me I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks, Kevin Spaulding

I am eventually going to drop my AOL address. I will keep AOL for another week or so. The new one will be the same screen name(dwad1939) @earthlink.net.. If you don't know who I am. Just delete this email. Thanks, Dave Waddell

What a wild night we had! Thank you all so very, very much. Uncle Fred was wonderful and informative. I hope we didn't scare him off to badly. :D I know we had some voice problems and I am so sorry about that to any that got "stuck" in gag mode. My About Guide and I are working on my moderation skills as we speak! LOL I don't know if we broke the 50 mark but I do know that at the last count I could take we had 45. I am hoping we can do this again sometime only, next time I'll have a little more experience under my belt and won't have to quiet everyone one by one, I know that was messy. :) If any of you have a topic you would like to see discussed please pass it on and if you have any suggestions on who should be the speaker please pass that on to. Again, thank you all so very much for joining my first ever Canada Specific Lecture. I hope you all had as much fun as I did! Kissing All Of Your Feet, Rikki soon to be known as the "Tired Pucker" Only a genealogist regards a step BACKWARD as PROGRESS! Join the following mailing list to talk about and find your family! PROSSER-L-request@rootsweb.com put subscribe in the subject line that's all that is needed. YADDOW-L-request@rootsweb.com put subscribe in the subject line that's all that is needed. My PROSSER Homepage: http://prosserhome.homestead.com

Hey All, Some of you had some trouble trying to find the chat room last night and today from what I hear so I would like to try to clarify it so no one misses tonights chat. First, I want to say thank you for the responses I have been receiving...it's going to be a great night!! Ok...first....go to my page http://prosserhome.homestead.com When you get there in the About.com box type the word "chat" in. Look to make sure the other little box there that has the drop down menu says "Genealogy Site" then click go. When you get to the next page you will see some words running across the page that says "Home" "Recent Articles" Visit Forums" "Chat Live" yada yada...click on "Chat Live". When that page opens you can then click on "Chat Room 1" and sign in. :) And to make it more confusing :) Once you get into the chat room you will notice that the About.com banner is a bother. To get rid of it Look at the top left of the chat room screen and you will see a few buttons....click on the second one from the left and another window will open. In there will be a button that says "Float" click on that and say ok. Voila!! No more banner getting in the way. :)) If anyone needs one on one help I will be logged into my AOL Instant Messenger as rikki2n4u or my MSN Instant messenger as lil_miss_rikki (in this one you MUST use the underscore or you won't find me) See ya'll tonight...I'll also have my mail program open so I will be available to you in as many ways as I can. Thanks all!! Rikki PS..just a little note...my boss at the chat room doesn't think I can get 50 people in there...I'm hoping ya'll will prove them wrong!! LOL Only a genealogist regards a step BACKWARD as PROGRESS! Join the following mailing list to talk about and find your family! PROSSER-L-request@rootsweb.com put subscribe in the subject line that's all that is needed. YADDOW-L-request@rootsweb.com put subscribe in the subject line that's all that is needed. My PROSSER Homepage: http://prosserhome.homestead.com

Hiya All, I would like to invite you all to join me in our About.com Genealogy Chat room for a special guest speaker. Fred Provoncha - Listowner of Quebec-Research will be giving a presentation to our genealogy chat room tomorrow night at 9:30 EST. UncleFred will cover these area's: Will talk about Drouin, Red and Blue, Jette, Tanguay, PRDH, Fille Du Roi, Carignan Regiment. He will also touch on some of the web sites, Genweb, Rootsweb, LDS, Ancestry, FHC's and Denis Beauregards site. UncleFred will also discuss Dit Names, what they are and what they mean. Best Bill, Quebec email lists, QR and QL, Quinton publications, Surname books and societies. It promises to be a valuable talk with time for questions and answers afterwards. You are more than welcome to join us tonight for Open Genealogy chat to check out our chat room and see how it works. But be sure to come back tomorrow night at 9:30 to speak with UncleFred and ask any questions you might have. You can join us at: http://prosserhome.homestead.com (I get a piece of bubble gum for everyone that comes through my portal) :) then just type chat in the About.com box once there be sure to choose Chat Room 1. For those of you that can't attend but might have some questions, send them to me and I will make sure they are asked and answered. Also, with your first visit to our chat you will need to download a java program in order to see our client. It takes about 20 seconds to download it and then you are done. No need to do anything else. Once you get to the sign on screen you will see the word "Guest" in the nick portion. Change that to whatever nick you would like. I encourage you to visit the chat room tonight to see how it works so that you will be comfortable tomorrow if you chose to join us. Then I will have a transcript up of the entire chat so that you won't miss a thing. Hope to see you all there! Rikki Only a genealogist regards a step BACKWARD as PROGRESS! Join the following mailing list to talk about and find your family! PROSSER-L-request@rootsweb.com put subscribe in the subject line that's all that is needed. YADDOW-L-request@rootsweb.com put subscribe in the subject line that's all that is needed. My PROSSER Homepage: http://prosserhome.homestead.com

If anyone has the 1850 census for Malone, I would very much appreciate a look-up for Orsamus Fitch listed in Malone on page 49 according to the index. Thank you. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

--WebTV-Mail-9899-61 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi Rikki and everyone-honestly, I don't know how all of that works, I am on webtv! I havn't been getting snow white AS MUCH-she still pops in from time to time, though. I guess more people have been using their anti-virus stuff (like my technical computer terms?!) For the longest time, however-whenever I got a message from this list, I would also get Snow White!-so I made the assumption. Rose --WebTV-Mail-9899-61 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-1.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) by storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 06:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-1.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 87EE916A; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 06:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: tim1776@webtv.net Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.32]) by smtpin-102-1.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id F23AB128; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 06:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f37D10g15969; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 06:01:00 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 06:01:00 -0700 X-Original-Sender: rikki@a-znet.com Sat Apr 7 06:00:59 2001 From: "Rikki Martin" <rikki@a-znet.com> Old-To: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:01:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Snow White Message-ID: <3ACED74C.4021.2C74C7@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <11176-3ACE6967-803@storefull-177.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Resent-Message-ID: <u_13LC.A.S4D.L-wz6@lists2.rootsweb.com> To: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/54 X-Loop: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: NYFRANKL-L-request@rootsweb.com > Funny-it pops up in the Brooklyn list quite often, but the list > moderator (or whatever you call it) INSISTS that virus' cannot come > through rootsweb! LOL! Rose and others, The reason the list admins INSIST that the virus can not be spread through the rootsweb server is because it can't. Plain and simple. Rootsweb is a UNIX platform and the snow white virus is a Windows virus. Have you ever seen those commercials on tv where that guy that speaks about "this PLATFORM and that PLATFORM and how everyone if your business isn't on the same PLATFORM as your customers then your business is going to suffer". Then goes on to tell you about this new PLATFORM and how it will speak to many others? Well, that's kind of like what is going on with rootsweb and the snow white virus. Rootsweb *can't read* window's based viruses so it *can't* transmit it because it doesn't allow it through. Plus...the snow white virus isn't in the email itself, it's in an attachment. And you can't send an attachment through rootsweb. Rootsweb catches them and filters them out. Whoever is getting the virus it is only because it is following the same path as it spreads itself around. The only way it can spread is through unprotected computers and people who, for whatever reason, open the attachment. It only takes a spark to ignite a forest. Hope this helps. Rikki another listmom but not for this list. Genealogists never die they just lose their census. ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --WebTV-Mail-9899-61--

> Funny-it pops up in the Brooklyn list quite often, but the list > moderator (or whatever you call it) INSISTS that virus' cannot come > through rootsweb! LOL! Rose and others, The reason the list admins INSIST that the virus can not be spread through the rootsweb server is because it can't. Plain and simple. Rootsweb is a UNIX platform and the snow white virus is a Windows virus. Have you ever seen those commercials on tv where that guy that speaks about "this PLATFORM and that PLATFORM and how everyone if your business isn't on the same PLATFORM as your customers then your business is going to suffer". Then goes on to tell you about this new PLATFORM and how it will speak to many others? Well, that's kind of like what is going on with rootsweb and the snow white virus. Rootsweb *can't read* window's based viruses so it *can't* transmit it because it doesn't allow it through. Plus...the snow white virus isn't in the email itself, it's in an attachment. And you can't send an attachment through rootsweb. Rootsweb catches them and filters them out. Whoever is getting the virus it is only because it is following the same path as it spreads itself around. The only way it can spread is through unprotected computers and people who, for whatever reason, open the attachment. It only takes a spark to ignite a forest. Hope this helps. Rikki another listmom but not for this list. Genealogists never die they just lose their census.

WOLFE William Harrison WOLFE Son of James A. & Roxey WOLFE born Nov. 4, 1836 - killed in a sawmill April 21, 1851 Thanks to Joyce's note on the tombstone project, I was able to find in Franklin the tombstone inscription above. Would anyone have any informationon this family? James A. Wolfe married Roxey/or Roxby Sanders/Saunders in Bellingham Falls VT. His ancestry is documented. We are trying to find Roxby/Roxey. Her parents may have been living with them or next door. They may have lived on the Essex County side of the line. Roxey/Roxby had a brother Oliver Sanders. Thank you for any clues or leads to finding this family. Jean Sanders Haverhill MA

In a message , jranieri@twcny.rr.com writes: << Hope this helps. Joyce Visit my tombstone transcription project for Franklin County, New York at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~frgen/index.htm >>Yes, Joyce, it really did help me. I don't think I had ever looked there before as my ancestors were in essex county. But, I did find Hattie Sanders Suitor. We have a picture of her on our family web site and knew that she had married Mr. Suitor. Did not know where they moved to ; also, we did not know the names of their children. It also cleaqred up for me who married Ellen Ryan. It was Henry.... The way I am reading the tombstone, it was Henry Suitor who married Ellen Ryan; all the names are on the same list. Would I be able to check with a town clerk for a death record if he was born in 1842 and his wife Ellen Ryan 1848 to June 23, 1896. I can't thank you enough ; this was a missing piece to the puzzle.