Wayne, Perhaps you heard of another area referred to as French Hill, but I am basing my knowledge of the area on what my French speaking grandparents called the area they lived in. I remember the area having several small markets that were run by French speaking people. That was, of course, many years ago. I went to St John Bosco to photograph it a few years ago and noticed that the area was really run down, as was most of that side of the "Hill". The other side of the "Hill" looked the same as it did years and years ago, however. Mac > > Incidentally, the area I understood was called 'French Hill' is an area > south-east of the village in the hills where the roads are now abandoned and > only a few hermits live there now. > > Wayne Miller > > >

So it is a surname, right? Thanks to everyone who responded. Edie in Maine

Hi, Edie.... Check out: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02689d.htm Regards, Brauck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith Bailes" <edieb@hypernet.com> To: <NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:27 AM Subject: Bosco > I am curious as to the origin and(or) meaning of the name Bosco as it has > appeared on this list in the past few weeks. I know it only as the name of > a hot drink, sort of like Ovaltine. I'm sure the term is far older than > that. Can anybody enlighten me? Thanks - Edie in Maine > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Kathryn, I was able to check our index for obituaries today and found a James Creighton, age 71 who died on September 23, 1974. If these dates coincide with the man you are looking for, let me know and I will look up the obituary for you. ADK Genalogical & Historical Society Saranac Lake Free Library 100 Main St. Saranac Lake, NY, 12983 Carolyn Bulgey, cbulgey@adelphia.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Banos" <Kbanos@telocity.com> To: <NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: LAROCQUE, CREIGHTON, COSGROVE > How about some new names for the list? > > My Great Grandfather (Rod Larocque) was born May 8, 1901 around Tupper Lake. In the next few years, both he and his brother were given to foster parents. (His mother died of TB). Rod's new family was Katherine Josephine & James Creighton. They renamed him Paul Wilbur Creighton. Not sure who his brother went with or what his name was. > > Around 1910? his foster mother married Edward Cosgrove. Don't know what happened to James. I can't find any of them in the 1910 census but in 1920, Edward & Katherine Cosgrove & Paul Creighton (foster son) are found in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota. I have their info after that but would like to find something on Paul (Rod), either his foster parents (Katherine Jospephine & James Creighton) or his real parents (Larocque, Larock?) > > Anyone have info on Creighton, Cosgrove or Larocque? Thanks so much! > > Kathryn Banos > KBanos@telocity.com > > ______________________________

I am curious as to the origin and(or) meaning of the name Bosco as it has appeared on this list in the past few weeks. I know it only as the name of a hot drink, sort of like Ovaltine. I'm sure the term is far older than that. Can anybody enlighten me? Thanks - Edie in Maine

You're right about 'the flats' behind the fairgrounds being a poor neighborhood. And there are a few others. In the days when you lived there, the factories and railroad (and their repair shops) were going strong and employing the people in the Bosco neighborhood, although, in the French tradition, the houses were small and close together. But the Rutland RR went bankrupt in the mid-50's and the factories have all closed. A few new ones have opened, but the force of 'urban flight' has it own form in Malone and the area you knew as 'French Hill' is not as prosperous as it once was. Incidentally, the area I understood was called 'French Hill' is an area south-east of the village in the hills where the roads are now abandoned and only a few hermits live there now. Wayne Miller ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: moonandsixpence@attbi.com Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 20:55:31 +0000 >St John Bosco was the church of the French speaking >people who lived in Malone. I haven't lived there in >many a year, but way back when, French was commonly >spoke on "French Hill." Perhaps today it is in >the "poorest" part of Malone, but when I was baptised >there in 1941, it was not.(Note that this was 61 years >ago and I still have the Baptismal Certificate on this) >Years ago, the "poorest" part was in the flats (down by >the fair grounds, not on the hill, as may be the case >today, but then, Malone was never an entirely prosperous >community. > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 10/5/2002 1:56:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, moonandsixpence@attbi.com writes: > St John Bosco was the church of the French speaking > people who lived in Malone. I haven't lived there in > many a year, but way back when, French was commonly > spoke on "French Hill." This I know as my Mother's family has French Heristage. I remeber fondly my Mom speaking of French Hill. Darlene Southern California

St John Bosco was the church of the French speaking people who lived in Malone. I haven't lived there in many a year, but way back when, French was commonly spoke on "French Hill." Perhaps today it is in the "poorest" part of Malone, but when I was baptised there in 1941, it was not.(Note that this was 61 years ago and I still have the Baptismal Certificate on this) Years ago, the "poorest" part was in the flats (down by the fair grounds, not on the hill, as may be the case today, but then, Malone was never an entirely prosperous community.

St John Bosco was the church of the French speaking people who lived in Malone. I haven't lived there in many a year, but way back when, French was commonly spoke on "French Hill." Perhaps today it is in the "poorest" part of Malone, but when I was baptised there in 1941, it was not.(Note that this was 61 years ago and I still have the Baptismal Certificate on this) Years ago, the "poorest" part was in the flats (down by the fair grounds, not on the hill, as may be the case today, but then, Malone was never an entirely prosperous community.

Hi Tom, I don't have any information to offer on Malone, but I did find some data that may interest you in St-Laurent, Montreal, QC: Marriages 1720-1974. Carol Louis LEGAULT m. Esther BOYER, OCT 11, 1832, item #3539, p.190. Louis's parents: ... & ... Esther's parents: Antoine BOYER & Louise VIAU Cyprian LEGAULT m. Julie BOYER, MAY 5, 1862, item #3540, p. 190. Cyprian's parents: Vf of Josephte D'AMOUR Louise's parents: Francois Antoine BOYER & Francoise Scholastic VIAU Zenon VIAU m. Emilie BOYER, FEB 18, 1908, item #5455, p. 290 Zenon's parents: Jean-Baptiste VIAU & Adeline LAUZON Emilie's parents: Hermen BOYER & Philomene ROBITAILLE Augustin VIAU m. Martin[?] BOYER, FEB 16, 1857, item #5456, p. 290 Augustin's parents: Francois VIAU & Helene BLAIGNIER-JARY Martin's parents: Benjamin BOYER & Emilie ST-GERMAIN Theophile VIAU m. Sophronie BOYER, FEB 18, 1868, item #5457, p. 290 Theophile's parents: Guillume VIAU & Francoise Thereste GROUX Sophronie's parents: Basile BOYER & Francoise Adelaide MAROOT. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Wayne, Actually, I never did live in Malone myself. My grandfather worked for the Rutland Railroad and after retiring with a good pension he and my grandmother both went to work for Tru Stitch. They moved the family to Branch Street sometime in the 1930s.My Mother graduated from Franklin Academy in 1937. After she and my Dad were married they lived in Dannemora where my Dad was a prison guard at Clinton Prison. In 1956 my Dad was transferred downstate to work in a youth facility that had just opened. After he retired we relocated to Southern California where my brother and his family were already living. Although I have numerous family members still living in Malone and the general area I have not been back. I really like California but miss the change of seasons especially at this time of year. Darlene Southern California

St John Bosco was the church of the French speaking people who lived in Malone. I haven't lived there in many a year, but way back when, French was commonly spoke on "French Hill." Perhaps today it is in the "poorest" part of Malone, but when I was baptised there in 1941, it was not.(Note that this was 61 years ago and I still have the Baptismal Certificate on this) Years ago, the "poorest" part was in the flats (down by the fair grounds, not on the hill, as may be the case today, but then, Malone was never an entirely properous community. Mac > Dear Tom, > There are actually three parishes in Malone. St. Joseph's was the first. It was > a mission of St. Patrick's in Hogansburgh (Akwesasne) until getting it's own > priest about 1850 (I forget the exact year). It was followed by Notre Dame, > which was/is the 'French' parish as distinct from the Irish tenor of St. > Joseph's. The third is St. John Bosco, which is only about 50 years old and is > in the poorest part of town. With the priest shortage, fewer parishes are in the > not to distant future. St. Joseph's priest is Msgr. McAvoy and it's located on > West Main Street, Malone, 12953 > > Wayne Miller > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: TOM GLASSEL <tglassel@execpc.com> > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:37:38 -0500 > > >We are still researching Angenor /Genor VIAU, who mar. Esther /Minna > >BOYER Jan.1870 at Notre Dame in Malone. Found baptisms of only 3 of > >their children in the same church. We believe about 4 other children > >were born in Malone. Another church mentioned was St. Joseph's. Can > >anyone tell us which one was in or nearest to Malone? Books offered by > >the NNYCAGS indicate there were a minimum of 3 St. Joseph's RC churches > >in Franklin County. > > > >Genor and Esther's extended families may have come from south of > >Montreal to Malone NY, possibly to Plattsburgh also, as early as the > >1830's, and there may well be cousins living there today. > >Willing to exchange information, and thanks for any suggestions. > >Tom & Barb Glassel > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Poor in money only. Many attend there because they find it less pretentious and more family centered. My kids really like the priest there. But the fact is, it's the only church not on Main Street, the building is more modest, it's located on 'the other side of the tracks' being on the north side of the old Rutland RR yards away from the main part of the village in a neighborhood where the median income is significantly lower than the village as a whole. And this in a community where the average income is way below the national average. There's probably a good (financial) reason you live in CA and not in Malone beside the climate. Wayne Miller ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ldkgutz@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:23:04 EDT >Referring a letter sent about St. John Bosco church. It would have to be over >55 years old as I was baptized there in 1947. I'm sadden to think of it as >being in the poorest section of town. > >Darlene >Southern California > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Referring a letter sent about St. John Bosco church. It would have to be over 55 years old as I was baptized there in 1947. I'm sadden to think of it as being in the poorest section of town. Darlene Southern California

Dear Tom, There are actually three parishes in Malone. St. Joseph's was the first. It was a mission of St. Patrick's in Hogansburgh (Akwesasne) until getting it's own priest about 1850 (I forget the exact year). It was followed by Notre Dame, which was/is the 'French' parish as distinct from the Irish tenor of St. Joseph's. The third is St. John Bosco, which is only about 50 years old and is in the poorest part of town. With the priest shortage, fewer parishes are in the not to distant future. St. Joseph's priest is Msgr. McAvoy and it's located on West Main Street, Malone, 12953 Wayne Miller ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: TOM GLASSEL <tglassel@execpc.com> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:37:38 -0500 >We are still researching Angenor /Genor VIAU, who mar. Esther /Minna >BOYER Jan.1870 at Notre Dame in Malone. Found baptisms of only 3 of >their children in the same church. We believe about 4 other children >were born in Malone. Another church mentioned was St. Joseph's. Can >anyone tell us which one was in or nearest to Malone? Books offered by >the NNYCAGS indicate there were a minimum of 3 St. Joseph's RC churches >in Franklin County. > >Genor and Esther's extended families may have come from south of >Montreal to Malone NY, possibly to Plattsburgh also, as early as the >1830's, and there may well be cousins living there today. >Willing to exchange information, and thanks for any suggestions. >Tom & Barb Glassel > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

We are still researching Angenor /Genor VIAU, who mar. Esther /Minna BOYER Jan.1870 at Notre Dame in Malone. Found baptisms of only 3 of their children in the same church. We believe about 4 other children were born in Malone. Another church mentioned was St. Joseph's. Can anyone tell us which one was in or nearest to Malone? Books offered by the NNYCAGS indicate there were a minimum of 3 St. Joseph's RC churches in Franklin County. Genor and Esther's extended families may have come from south of Montreal to Malone NY, possibly to Plattsburgh also, as early as the 1830's, and there may well be cousins living there today. Willing to exchange information, and thanks for any suggestions. Tom & Barb Glassel

----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur & Sharon Mithchel To: NYFRANKLIN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: Fw: your posting to NYFRANKL-D Digest V02 #55 ----- Original Message ----- From: Arthur & Sharon Mithchel To: Carmon D. Rust Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: Re: your posting to NYFRANKL-D Digest V02 #55 Thank you Carmen. I had assumed Chateauguay Corners was in the U.S.A. because, on the LDS Reel # 1031575, which contains R.C. church records for this area, I saw a baptism of a possible relative which stated that they were from "the Mission of Chateauguay Corners in the U.S.A." Also, in the Quebec census records it says that both James McCallum and Claire Dauphin were born in the U.S.A. Since I know they lived in the Ormstown area after they were married I assumed they might have been born in Franklin County. The Quebec Genealogical Society has been unable to help but thank you anyway for the suggestion. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: Carmon D. Rust To: abmitch@hfx.eastlink.ca Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: re: your posting to NYFRANKL-D Digest V02 #55 You wrote that you were looking for help from someone with access to birth records /marriage records and/or census records for the Ormstown/Chateauguay Corners, USA area. I'm sorry to inform you that both Ormstown & Chateauguay Corners are located in Quebec, Canada and not the U.S.. However they are just acrossed the border from Franklin County, NY, but Franklin Co. would have no records for these areas. You might want to try Quebec Genealogical Society. I hope this help point you in the right direction. Sincerely: Carmon D. Rust P.S. On a completely different note. I have alot of Mitchell's in my genealogy and would love to compare notes. You can see my list at the website list below. Genealogists check out my web page at: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/u/s/Carmon-D-Rust-NY/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!

Looking for a John Denno or "Jean Baptiste Denault" born about 1846 around the Champlain, NY area... possibly the son of Flavie Pinsonneau & Laurent Denault. John was in the Civil War & died in St. Regis Falls, NY around 1914... Possibly the brother of Joseph Octave & Oliver & Francis... Would like any available information on ANY "Denault/ Denno" families in the countys listed above. ANY help is appreciated- -Bobbi angelinnewyork@yahoo.com

Carol, I have a Civil War pension file for the widow of James Dassance. Her maiden name was Annie Stewart and her first husband was Jason Vandervoort, also a Civil War veteran, who died in Earlville in 1879. They had two chldren, Charles and Annie Belle Vandervoort. James Dassance was also widowed - his first wife was Matilda Vandervoort who died in 1881 in Trout River. If any of these people sound familiar, just let me know. Jennifer Mitten Dallas, Texas >From: prattw@xmission.com >To: NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: surname >Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:46:48 -0600 > > >Hi > >I am looking for VANDERVOORTs in Franklin Co. thanks! > >Carol Pratt > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Try St. Alphonsus Church in Tupper Lake. Wayne Miller Sarah Wasiura writes: > Could anyone tell me what Catholic Church would hold baptism records for a > family that lived in Altamont Twp, Franklin Co. in 1900? Have had no > success trying to find my grandfather's birth record thru Albany. > > Thanks > Sarah > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >