Hello, This was on the Franklin County cemetery site. The dates seem to match. There is no mention of Eva though. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com Lakeview Cemetery Altamont, Franklin County, New York RICHARDSON [ Block H Rear] Edward Cpl Co C 2 Regt. US Vol Eng Sp Am War Feb. 18, 1876 - Aug. 4, 1961 Good Luck! Carolyn Ober Bulgey cbulgey@adelphia.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Jones" <macduff@infi.net> To: <NYFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: Death dates for Edward M. & Eva A. RICHARDSON > Hi List, > > I am trying to find the death date of Edward M. RICHARDSON. He was born in > Vermont. The last place I have him is on the 1930 Census living in Tupper > Lake Village. He was 54 years old. His wife's name was Eva A. They had 4 > children by the time the 1930 census was taken. > > If any one can help me find the death date for Edward or Eva I would really > appreciate it. Edward was a sibling to my gr. grandfather. I would like to > order Edward and Eva's death certs. I do not drive so getting to any FHC > for films, etc. is impossible. > > Sue in Sunny Florida macduff@infi.net >

Hi List, I am trying to find the death date of Edward M. RICHARDSON. He was born in Vermont. The last place I have him is on the 1930 Census living in Tupper Lake Village. He was 54 years old. His wife's name was Eva A. They had 4 children by the time the 1930 census was taken. If any one can help me find the death date for Edward or Eva I would really appreciate it. Edward was a sibling to my gr. grandfather. I would like to order Edward and Eva's death certs. I do not drive so getting to any FHC for films, etc. is impossible. Sue in Sunny Florida macduff@infi.net

----- Original Message ----- To: <chas_trefoe31@mchsi.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [INRipley] Rev War and maps >found these and thought I would share them. Census and formation maps >Northern Maps >http://www.negenealogy.com/ngo03.htm > and one for the Revolutionary war that is still under construction > according to the webmaster but still has so good stuff none the less. > http://www.uswars.net/1775-1783/index.htm > >Chas

> Dear Joyce, If you have time could you check your Moira Methodist > records for JOHN FLEMING/LOUISA (ROSE) GUILE married 1880 or any other > FLEMING or GUILE info. > > Thanks > Sarah Sarah, I checked for FLEMING / GUILE, but didn't find anything. Sorry! Joyce

Joyce Ranieri wrote: > As far as Civil Records, you are probably out of luck. Town of Moira > Vital Records began in the early 1880s. They are extremely spotty at > first. The person to contact is Mrs. Katherine Laramay, Town Clerk, > Route 95, Moira, New York, 12957. There is a fee for the record. > > If the person was protestant, it is possible that I might have > information from the Town of Moira Methodist church. If the person > was Catholic, you should check records for St. Mary's Roman Catholic > Church. The contact person would be: Father Fish at the following > address: > St. Mary's Church > Route 11 > Brushton, NY > 518-529-7433 > These records are also available on microfilm from the Church of > Latter Day Saints. > > Other local churches of the time included the Brushton Methodist > Episcopal Church and St. Peter's Episcopal Church. > > There are some records available from the Franklin County Clerk's > office as previously suggested. These don't seem to be recorded > elsewhere, so it would be a good idea to check there also. They can be > reached at: > Franklin County Clerk > 355 West Main Street > Malone, New York 12953. > > Joyce M. Ranieri > Town of Moira Historian (which includes the villages of Brushton) > Visit my Franklin County Tombstone Transcription site at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~frgen/index.htm > > > Dear Joyce, If you have time could you check your Moira Methodist records for JOHN FLEMING/LOUISA (ROSE) GUILE married 1880 or any other FLEMING or GUILE info. Thanks Sarah

Have Marriage Cert of great grandparents ANDREW HUGHTO/NELLIE FLEMING July 4, 1899. Andrew from St Regis Falls, Nellie from Sanda Clara. Nellie's parents' John Fleming/Rose Guile. The Clergyman who married them, religion unknown was from Tupper Lake and it appears to read something like Rev. E. F. or T. Fralton, Tratton, Faltan etc Does anyone have any idea what church this clergy would have belonged to? Having difficulty finding birth record of my Grandfather, Clarence Hughto b. Dec 14, 1899 son of Andrew and Nellie Hughto. Have contacted NYS, Altamont (where they lived in the 1900 census), Franklin Co. and St. Alphonsus (Andrew was Catholic, don't believe Nellie was). Is anyone aware of this Clergy, what church he belonged to? Thought it might offer a clue. Also looking for Death record of John Fleming. Believe his wife, Rose Guile Fleming remarried around 1898 to a Wilbur Owens. He was still listed on his daughter's marriage cert as father. Do they do that even if the parent is dead? Any help would be so much appreciated. Not having much luck with this matter. Thanks Sarah

Betsey Wicks Tullar The death of Betsey Wicks Tullar, better known as Grandma Tullar of this village, probably the oldest person in Franklin County, if not the oldest in Northern New York, deserves more than a passing notice. She was the daughter of William and Martha Wicks and was born at Marlborough, Mass Oct. 14th 1789, and died in Bangor, N. Y., Sept 3 1891, thus lacking but forty days of reaching the great age of a hundred and two years. She was one of a family of seven children, a family whose record shows remarkable longevity - an older brother, Benjamin Wicks dying at St. Albans in his 92nd year - another brother Lyman - at Malone at 79 - two sisters at St. Albans aged 96 and 73 respectively, and a sister in Michigan at 78. The lives of these five with that of Mrs. Tullar’s just closed, make an aggregate of 520 years, an average of upwards of 86. One brother, Aaron Wicks of Chanute, Kansas is still living and in his 80th year. Mrs. Tullar’s parents moved from Marleborough to St. Albans, VT. When she was eight years of age, at which time that thriving little city boasted of but three framed houses. In 1813 she was married to Franklin Tullar at St. Albans and twenty years afterward , in 1838, they moved to this town upon the farm where both have since died. Their family consisted of three children, two of whom are living, Edward B. Tullar on the old farm, and Mrs. Charles Dickinson at West Bangor. On the event of Grandma Tullar’s hundredth birthday she was tendered a social visit by neighbors and friends and an easy chair and other remembrances were presented. At this gathering a poem written by a relative, Lucy A. Wilson of Mantorville was read which may not be out of place here. I have not copied the poem, although it was very nice and I would not mind scanning it and sending to a descendant of Franklin Tullar and Betsey Wicks. Shirley Cobb a descendant of this couple has graciously made a copy of her family scrapbook for my use which I will try to post material appropriate to message boards that are online. Feel free to post elsewhere. Michelle Amsbury

Dear Mac. Thanks for responding. I'm not sure what religion the clergy was on the marriage record. It was July 4, 1899 in Tupper Falls, NY and it's hard to read his signature, looks like Rev. E.F.Talton/Folton??? I know Andrew was Catholic and I believe Nellie was Protestant. Being born of parents who were Catholic/Protestant, I and my brother were brought up in my father's catholic faith. I believed that was pretty much the case in the Catholic church. Not sure if they just split up or divorced. Know Andrew Hughto married an Ida Mae Clark sometime around 1910 because they are in the 1920 census with the oldest child being 9. Nellie was remarried to an Albert Brunner and was living in Buffalo, NY in 1916 with no children listed. Don't know when she remarried. If they never divorced, wouldn't the second marriages be illegal? Just wondering. Isn't genealogy interesting? Thanks Sarah Sarah, I noticed you mentioned Tupper Falls - did you mean Tupper Lake? I was born and raised in Norhtern New York, many years ago and don't recall of a place named Tupper Falls. You're right about a second marriage being illegal - it would have been considered bigamy, but only if someone filed on it and made it known. As for the Catholic faith, my mother was Catholic and my father was Methodist. I was raised as a Catholic but converted to Methodism as an adult.When you use the term Protestant, you refer to a great deal of Christian faiths and some of the people may take offense at being called "protestant" ! the name you have "Hughto" sounds familiar. Half of my family are French speaking and I think I heard the name as a boy, pronounced Who-Toe, but I never thought about how it was spelled. Have you looked for a variation in French for this name? Mac

R.L. McKinney wrote: >Sarah, > > > You may be looking in the wrong place for a birth/baptismal record. In >most cases, children are raised in the religion of the mother. Was the >person who performed the marriage a minister or priest? The agreement to >raise the children Catholic is done when you marry within that church, but >since the couple were divorced, which wasn't recognized by either Catholic >or Protestant, especially a century ago, they may not have been church goers >at all. > > The only grounds for divorce in New York State, for many years, was >adultery, so any record may be difficult or impossible to find. You said >that they remarried (to each other or to others?). > > If the parting was of mutual consent, they may not have bothered with a >formal decree of divorce. If you find a record of the remarriage(s), you may >find a clue there, though. > >Mac > > > > > > Dear Mac. Thanks for responding. I'm not sure what religion the clergy was on the marriage record. It was July 4, 1899 in Tupper Falls, NY and it's hard to read his signature, looks like Rev. E.F.Talton/Folton??? I know Andrew was Catholic and I believe Nellie was Protestant. Being born of parents who were Catholic/Protestant, I and my brother were brought up in my father's catholic faith. I believed that was pretty much the case in the Catholic church. Not sure if they just split up or divorced. Know Andrew Hughto married an Ida Mae Clark sometime around 1910 because they are in the 1920 census with the oldest child being 9. Nellie was remarried to an Albert Brunner and was living in Buffalo, NY in 1916 with no children listed. Don't know when she remarried. If they never divorced, wouldn't the second marriages be illegal? Just wondering. Isn't geneaology interesting? Thanks Sarah

Where would I be able to find a record in Franklin Co for the divorce of the above. He was Catholic, she Protestant. They both remarried. In 1899 they were married in Tupper Lake by a Rev. E.F. Talton, Foltan (?spelling? In 1900 they were living together in Altamont Twp. Believe they split in the early 1900, 1902-1905 possibly. Anyone have any ideas? They had a son Clarence Hughto b. Dec 14, 1899, but I can't find any birth record on him. Have checked NYS and also St. Alphonsus because his father Andrew was Catholic. They have no record. I'm waiting to hear from the other catholic church in the area (Holy Name/Holy Helpers) can't remember the name offhand. Thanks for any suggestions or help you may be able to pass my way. Sarah

Sarah, You may be looking in the wrong place for a birth/baptismal record. In most cases, children are raised in the religion of the mother. Was the person who performed the marriage a minister or priest? The agreement to raise the children Catholic is done when you marry within that church, but since the couple were divorced, which wasn't recognized by either Catholic or Protestant, especially a century ago, they may not have been church goers at all. The only grounds for divorce in New York State, for many years, was adultery, so any record may be difficult or impossible to find. You said that they remarried (to each other or to others?). If the parting was of mutual consent, they may not have bothered with a formal decree of divorce. If you find a record of the remarriage(s), you may find a clue there, though. Mac

Shanna, To obtain a death certificate for Mary Jane GRIFFIN, you should write to the Town Clerk. I believe the current fee is $10, which you should include in your request. The record will only be as good as the informant -- if the person who reported her death knew her parents' names, they will be listed. Mrs. Katherine Laramay, Town Clerk Route 95 Moira, New York 12957 As for a marriage record, it is too early for town records. Your best bet is to follow up on local church records. There were several churches in the area at the time: Congregational (organized in Moira in 1823), Moira Methodist Episcopal Church (met as early as 1835 a part of the Malone circuit, first local pastor was appointed in 1850), St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church (part of the Malone parish until 1850 when it became an independent charge), Brushton Methodist Church, St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Brushton - organized in 1867). There are also a few marriage records from that time period located at the County Clerk's office in Malone. Hope this helps! Joyce M. Ranieri Town of Moira Historian

Hello, I am new to the list. I am wondering if there would be a death certificate for someone who died in 1906 at Moira, Franklin, New York? Would it tell me who her parents were? I have a Mary Jane who married a David GRIFFIN sometime around 1854. They had their first child in Moira, New York, in January 1854, William Adelbert GRIFFIN. Where could I find out when they got married? How do I get the death certificate? I thought her maiden name was KENNEDY, but I can't find any Kennedys on the census with a Mary Jane that age? I have more information on the other Griffin descendants. Thank you for your time! Shanna shannajones@charter.net

R.L. McKinney wrote: >For information on research in Franklin County try this site: >http://www.vitalrec.com/nycounties2.html > >It's doubtful that you will receive any data via email. In order to receive >copies of something, you normally have to know what record you are looking >for and where it is located. This information can be found in an indexing of >such records. A copy of THE SOURCE, A GUIDE BOOK TO GENEALOGY, is available >from Ancestry.com is both hardcover and on CD. In addition, most libraries >have a copy in their reference section. This book will tell you exactly >where and how to obtain virtually any record. > >Mac > > > > > > Thanks Mac. Sarah

For information on research in Franklin County try this site: http://www.vitalrec.com/nycounties2.html It's doubtful that you will receive any data via email. In order to receive copies of something, you normally have to know what record you are looking for and where it is located. This information can be found in an indexing of such records. A copy of THE SOURCE, A GUIDE BOOK TO GENEALOGY, is available from Ancestry.com is both hardcover and on CD. In addition, most libraries have a copy in their reference section. This book will tell you exactly where and how to obtain virtually any record. Mac

How far back to vital records go in the Franklin Co Clerk's Office. Also, is there an email address for them? Thanks Sarah

Looking for info on FLEMING family that lived in Tupper Lake abt 1899. JOHN FLEMING and wife ROSA GUILE had a daughter, NELLIE FLEMING that married ANDREW HUGHTO in 1899 Tupper Lake. There was also a daugher, GRACE FLEMING. Rosa later remarried a WILBUR OWENS. Ring any bells anyone? Looking for FLEMING family info. Thanks Sarah

Hi - Was wondering if anyone is researching the surname Rawlins in Franklin County. Have new information that my great-great-great-great grandmother may have been named Hannah Rawlins. She would have married a Colby (probably John). Guessing she would have been born late 1700s to early 1800s. Robin

As far as Civil Records, you are probably out of luck. Town of Moira Vital Records began in the early 1880s. They are extremely spotty at first. The person to contact is Mrs. Katherine Laramay, Town Clerk, Route 95, Moira, New York, 12957. There is a fee for the record. If the person was protestant, it is possible that I might have information from the Town of Moira Methodist church. If the person was Catholic, you should check records for St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church. The contact person would be: Father Fish at the following address: St. Mary's Church Route 11 Brushton, NY 518-529-7433 These records are also available on microfilm from the Church of Latter Day Saints. Other local churches of the time included the Brushton Methodist Episcopal Church and St. Peter's Episcopal Church. There are some records available from the Franklin County Clerk's office as previously suggested. These don't seem to be recorded elsewhere, so it would be a good idea to check there also. They can be reached at: Franklin County Clerk 355 West Main Street Malone, New York 12953. Joyce M. Ranieri Town of Moira Historian (which includes the villages of Brushton) Visit my Franklin County Tombstone Transcription site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~frgen/index.htm

I think that any record prior to 1900 was kept in the county, so you may want to contact the Franklin County Clerks Office to see if they still have it. The state may have a copy, but I understand it takes several months to get a reply from them. Mac