This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YRB.2ACE/1350.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Cindi, have you looked at the census reports for Williams county OH. ? If not I can send you some info. Also there is a obit. available thru kellyja@oplin.org . The obit is from the Bryon Press dated 12/20 1893 also for his son from 5/19/1916 on page 1 column 4. The ID# for Philander that died in 1893 is # 32812. Accorking to the 1850 and 1880 census Philander was born in N.Y. not VT. in fact I doubt if there is a Crown Point VT. I can be reached at m2wyatt@sbcglobal.net. Jack