Dear John, Sorry for the previous blank message - I tried to include links, which i forgot this listserve doesn't like. If your ggf became a citizen around 1905, that was before the federal government standardized the process (and before the files would've been stored in our National Archives). This means he likely became a citizen in the local Buffalo city or Erie county court. The Mormons may have those records on microfilm - do you have access to the films on your side of the pond? They do have a duplicating service in which they'll make copies off microfilms for you, including sending index pages. I can email you the form directly if you want (no attachments allowed here). As for not being able to find him after 1930, you might check www dot fultonhistory dot com. They've scanned boodles of newspapers, and I found a probate notice for one of my own wayward relatives from Buffalo. Hilary Henkin California To find info about the films, go to www dot familysearch dot org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp . click on the link to search by place, and type in "Erie" and "New York". Click on the resulting link, then scroll down to Naturalization Records. Title Naturalization records, 1831-1906; index, 1831-ca.1930 Authors New York. County Court (Erie County) (Main Author) New York. Court of Common Pleas (Erie County) (Added Author) New York. Superior Court (Erie County) (Added Author) Notes Microfilm of original records in the Erie County Courthouse, Buffalo, New York. Card index includes a card for each individual arranged alphabetically with name of applicant, address, volume and page number, title and location of court, country of birth, when born or age, date and port of arrival in U.S., date of naturalization, witnesses, and other information such as spouse and children and certificate number as available. Volumes are sometimes called libers. Records kept by the County Court, Superior Court, Court of Common Pleas. Registers of final papers include name of applicant (arranged by first letter of surname), residence, nationality, application based upon, witnesses appearing on final hearing, date of filing petition, what court, date of final hearing and final action. At 01:52 PM 8/6/2009, you wrote: >Hello Listers, > >I'm across the big water here in England, and I would like some help >please, from our American cousins. > >Story, try not to bore you all. > >Great-grandfather George Smith (don't start laughing of surname) b. >10th Nov 1857, in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England. > >Arrived New York 09th March. 1892. Going to Buffalo, Erie, which >was written on ships manifest. Then as far as family back in England are >concerned, never heard of again. > >After 14 years I believe I have found this man, in Buffalo, >surprise, surprise. > >According to the 1910 & 1920 USA Census he was Naturalized in 1905, >can't find him in the 1930 Census. > >My question is how & where would I need to go to obtain these papers >& how much? > >or are they on line? > >As I've know more info. I can't even start on his death certificate. > >I thank you all in anticipation. > >John Clark