I have a copy (in German) of my grandmother's birth certificate from 1900. The pastor's name is A. Goetz, and I think it reads E. Bethlehem Germcuide (sp?) in Buffalo, NY. The seal at the bottom reads "DEUTSCHE EV. BETHLEHEM GEMEINDE. Does anyone have any ideas what church this was and if so, where the records may be? Nancy Hanes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

I think that only means that you give up your right to sue them for publishing it, because you imply that you have no expectation of privacy when you submit your information to a public medium. Also that you give up the right to sue them(say, if they publish a book with or charge a membership fee to a web site for access to the information you provided them) for any portion of any profit they might make as a result of publishing the information you submitted. It doesn't mean that you yourself, Or anyone else for that matter, can't write a book with that information in it and make a profit from it or submit it on another website. This applies to deceased persons only. Information about living person belongs to the living person, or parent/guardian/legal Rep of a minor or incompetent person. I could be wrong, but I've been looking at the Public Health Laws concerning Vital Statistics... And for the most part, vital information of a deceased person is public information and no one person or entity has exclusive ownership rights to it As far as the "Not for Publication" stamp on a record, that would mean either it was stamped that way to prevent Vital stats from releasing the info to a newspaper, or that you cannot publish the official copy of the record, in order to prevent forgers from forging a birth or death record. Birth and death information of deceased is public information unless it is sealed by a judge. It's the official records, or copies of official records that are not public information. You may view or be told information about a deceased person, but you may only obtain an official copy of the record if you are family member or legal representative of that person. You may not view, be told, or publish vital information of a living person unless you are that living person or a parent/guardian/legal Rep.

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Have a question - when a person submits thier family information to LDS and Broderbund they lose their power to have publication rights to their family history; is this true for GenCircles? Zona On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:00:40 -0700 Kate Johnson <katej@idcomm.com> writes: > In response to the query about GenCircles.....I have been Very > impressed > with the capabilities of this online database. Although the > Gencircles > database is smaller than WordlConnect at Rootsweb, the quality of > the > contributions seems better. Here's an overview: > > * Cliff Shaw is the founder of both GenCircles and Pearl Street > Software, the publishers of Family Tree Legends. > * Family Tree Legends software is integrated with GenCircles, but is > not > required (I personally use Family Tree Maker) > * GenCircles is free and always will be. > * You do NOT need to buy Family Tree Legends to use GenCircles. > * They have committed not to use email addresses, put data on CD’s, > and/or sending junk mail. > > Go to http://www.gencircles.com and enter one of your common family > names. Surfing this site is a breeze and posting data is effortless. > And > SmartMatching searches for your family connections automatically. I > love > it when the computers do my hunting for me! > > Kate > Denver, Colorado > > PS I am not affiliated with this company in any way! Just > enthusiastic. :-) > > NYERIE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >NYERIE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 36 > > > >Today's Topics: > > #1 GenCircle.com [John Doesky > <sufferingsunfish@yaho] > > #2 Burials in Cheektowaga > [zona.himmelsbach@juno.com] > > #3 Re: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com ["Dixie Endsley" > <dendsley@wic.net>] > > #4 reason for this stamp? ["mary kahkola" > <i-be-leve@msn.com>] > > #5 Re: [NYERIE] reason for this stamp [Don W > <copperfielddon@yahoo.com>] > > #6 Re: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com [SGTNYSP@aol.com] > > > >Administrivia: > >To unsubscribe from NYERIE-D, send a message to > > > > NYERIE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your > software > >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > >______________________________ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > GenCircle.com > > From: > > John Doesky <sufferingsunfish@yahoo.com> > > Date: > > Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:13:12 -0800 (PST) > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Anyone acquainted with that website or know anything > >about it? Thanks. > > > >===== > >John > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > >______________________________ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > Burials in Cheektowaga > > From: > > zona.himmelsbach@juno.com > > Date: > > Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:42:00 -0800 > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Barbara (nee SCHALL) and Joseph HIMMELSBACH were buried in > Cheektowaga, > >ERIE COUNTY. On their burial records stated the name of their > church. > > > >I found the above ^ post in the rootsweb Erie Board (which I had > posted > >in 2001). I'd lost all my research on Barbara SCHALL. So I was > >wondering what cemeteries are in Cheektowaga that they may be in. > Any > >suggestions will be appreciated. > >Zona > > > >______________________________ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > Re: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com > > From: > > "Dixie Endsley" <dendsley@wic.net> > > Date: > > Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:56:27 -0700 > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >I never saw any responses to this question. Does anyone know about > this > >website? > > > >Dixie > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Doesky" <sufferingsunfish@yahoo.com> > >To: <NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:13 PM > >Subject: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com > > > > > > > > > >>Anyone acquainted with that website or know anything > >>about it? Thanks. > >> > >>===== > >>John > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>__________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > >>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >> > >> > >>==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== > >>To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> > >>See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > >> > >>============================== > >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in > the > >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn > more: > >> > >> > >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > >> > >> > > > >______________________________ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > reason for this stamp? > > From: > > "mary kahkola" <i-be-leve@msn.com> > > Date: > > Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:50:13 -0500 > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >On marriage records from 1889 & 1891 had been stamped 'NOT TO BE > PUBLISHED' Why would this have been done back then? > >Was it a common practice? > > > >______________________________ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > Re: [NYERIE] reason for this stamp? > > From: > > Don W <copperfielddon@yahoo.com> > > Date: > > Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:20:23 -0800 (PST) > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Mary: > >Quite regularly "The Buffalo Courier" in 1888 and into > >1889 published lists of the births, marriages and > >deaths, sometimes as often as every other day. The > >practice seemed to stop sometime in 1889/90 as I have > >not seen these lists in the 1891 newspapers. You will > >find transcriptions of some of these lists on the > >NewspaperAbstracts.com web site. > > > >Don White > >Erie County, NY State, and Province of Ontario > >Coordinator > >NewspaperAbstracts.com > > > > > >--- mary kahkola <i-be-leve@msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >>On marriage records from 1889 & 1891 had been > >>stamped 'NOT TO BE PUBLISHED' Why would this have > >>been done back then? > >>Was it a common practice? > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >______________________________ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > Re: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com > > From: > > SGTNYSP@aol.com > > Date: > > Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:37:32 -0500 > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To: > > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >I looked at the website and found it interesting and found some > info I could use regarding a couple of my family members. > > > >Kevin > > > > > > > ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> > See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599 &targetid=5429 > > >

In response to the query about GenCircles.....I have been Very impressed with the capabilities of this online database. Although the Gencircles database is smaller than WordlConnect at Rootsweb, the quality of the contributions seems better. Here's an overview: * Cliff Shaw is the founder of both GenCircles and Pearl Street Software, the publishers of Family Tree Legends. * Family Tree Legends software is integrated with GenCircles, but is not required (I personally use Family Tree Maker) * GenCircles is free and always will be. * You do NOT need to buy Family Tree Legends to use GenCircles. * They have committed not to use email addresses, put data on CD’s, and/or sending junk mail. Go to http://www.gencircles.com and enter one of your common family names. Surfing this site is a breeze and posting data is effortless. And SmartMatching searches for your family connections automatically. I love it when the computers do my hunting for me! Kate Denver, Colorado PS I am not affiliated with this company in any way! Just enthusiastic. :-) NYERIE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >NYERIE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 36 > >Today's Topics: > #1 GenCircle.com [John Doesky <sufferingsunfish@yaho] > #2 Burials in Cheektowaga [zona.himmelsbach@juno.com] > #3 Re: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com ["Dixie Endsley" <dendsley@wic.net>] > #4 reason for this stamp? ["mary kahkola" <i-be-leve@msn.com>] > #5 Re: [NYERIE] reason for this stamp [Don W <copperfielddon@yahoo.com>] > #6 Re: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com [SGTNYSP@aol.com] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from NYERIE-D, send a message to > > NYERIE-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > GenCircle.com > From: > John Doesky <sufferingsunfish@yahoo.com> > Date: > Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:13:12 -0800 (PST) > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Anyone acquainted with that website or know anything >about it? Thanks. > >===== >John > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Burials in Cheektowaga > From: > zona.himmelsbach@juno.com > Date: > Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:42:00 -0800 > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Barbara (nee SCHALL) and Joseph HIMMELSBACH were buried in Cheektowaga, >ERIE COUNTY. On their burial records stated the name of their church. > >I found the above ^ post in the rootsweb Erie Board (which I had posted >in 2001). I'd lost all my research on Barbara SCHALL. So I was >wondering what cemeteries are in Cheektowaga that they may be in. Any >suggestions will be appreciated. >Zona > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com > From: > "Dixie Endsley" <dendsley@wic.net> > Date: > Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:56:27 -0700 > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > >I never saw any responses to this question. Does anyone know about this >website? > >Dixie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Doesky" <sufferingsunfish@yahoo.com> >To: <NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:13 PM >Subject: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com > > > > >>Anyone acquainted with that website or know anything >>about it? Thanks. >> >>===== >>John >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. >>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >> >> >>==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== >>To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> >>See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> >> >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >> >> > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > reason for this stamp? > From: > "mary kahkola" <i-be-leve@msn.com> > Date: > Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:50:13 -0500 > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > >On marriage records from 1889 & 1891 had been stamped 'NOT TO BE PUBLISHED' Why would this have been done back then? >Was it a common practice? > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [NYERIE] reason for this stamp? > From: > Don W <copperfielddon@yahoo.com> > Date: > Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:20:23 -0800 (PST) > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Mary: >Quite regularly "The Buffalo Courier" in 1888 and into >1889 published lists of the births, marriages and >deaths, sometimes as often as every other day. The >practice seemed to stop sometime in 1889/90 as I have >not seen these lists in the 1891 newspapers. You will >find transcriptions of some of these lists on the >NewspaperAbstracts.com web site. > >Don White >Erie County, NY State, and Province of Ontario >Coordinator >NewspaperAbstracts.com > > >--- mary kahkola <i-be-leve@msn.com> wrote: > > > >>On marriage records from 1889 & 1891 had been >>stamped 'NOT TO BE PUBLISHED' Why would this have >>been done back then? >>Was it a common practice? >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com > From: > SGTNYSP@aol.com > Date: > Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:37:32 -0500 > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > > >I looked at the website and found it interesting and found some info I could use regarding a couple of my family members. > >Kevin > >

It might be for the same reason why there is a little box on a birth certificate application for New born's that you check or leave blank if you do or don't want the local paper to publish notice of your child's birth. I don't know if it's still done as general practice, but I know at one time, it was perfectly legal for local papers to be sent the birth information of all babies born in a week, and to publish that in the paper without the parents consent or even knowledge. It was still being done as late as 14 years ago when my daughter was born(had an issue with the paper publishing when I had checked that box for "Do not release birth information for publishing." So that's probably what that is. Amy

I wanted to let everyone know that after ten years of using AOL I have decided to change my ISP. I will now be using Cox Internet in order to have a faster connection. This has been a very hard decision to make sense I have had the same email for years and years <G> Anyway, if you would like to keep in-contact my new email address will be hofsearch@cox.net Sorry for any problems this may cause anyone. Cindy Hofmeister hofsearch@cox.net

cant you have both? i think you should check into that... On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:33:04 -0500, Hofsearch@aol.com <Hofsearch@aol.com> wrote: > I wanted to let everyone know that after ten years of using AOL I have decided to change my ISP. I will now be using Cox Internet in order to have a faster connection. This has been a very hard decision to make sense I have had the same email for years and years <G> > > Anyway, if you would like to keep in-contact my new email address will be hofsearch@cox.net > > Sorry for any problems this may cause anyone. > > Cindy Hofmeister > hofsearch@cox.net > > ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> > See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Z, There are probably 25 cemeteries in the Pine Hill section of Cheektowaga. Mt Calvary is the largest and owns/operated about 5 more. It's wall to wall cemeteries for abt 1 square mile. There are Jewish, Catholic and Lutheran, plus Polish, German/French etc. They are located between Pine Ridge Road and Harlem Road and Genesee St and Sugar Rd. I'd guess there are 150,000 or more people buried there. Cheektowaga is abt 32 square miles and Buffalo Int. Airport is located in Cheektowaga. Cheektowag means Place/Land of the the Crab Apple in Seneca language. Kevin

I looked at the website and found it interesting and found some info I could use regarding a couple of my family members. Kevin

On marriage records from 1889 & 1891 had been stamped 'NOT TO BE PUBLISHED' Why would this have been done back then? Was it a common practice?

Mary: Quite regularly "The Buffalo Courier" in 1888 and into 1889 published lists of the births, marriages and deaths, sometimes as often as every other day. The practice seemed to stop sometime in 1889/90 as I have not seen these lists in the 1891 newspapers. You will find transcriptions of some of these lists on the NewspaperAbstracts.com web site. Don White Erie County, NY State, and Province of Ontario Coordinator NewspaperAbstracts.com --- mary kahkola <i-be-leve@msn.com> wrote: > On marriage records from 1889 & 1891 had been > stamped 'NOT TO BE PUBLISHED' Why would this have > been done back then? > Was it a common practice? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I never saw any responses to this question. Does anyone know about this website? Dixie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Doesky" <sufferingsunfish@yahoo.com> To: <NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: [NYERIE] GenCircle.com > Anyone acquainted with that website or know anything > about it? Thanks. > > ===== > John > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> > See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Barbara (nee SCHALL) and Joseph HIMMELSBACH were buried in Cheektowaga, ERIE COUNTY. On their burial records stated the name of their church. I found the above ^ post in the rootsweb Erie Board (which I had posted in 2001). I'd lost all my research on Barbara SCHALL. So I was wondering what cemeteries are in Cheektowaga that they may be in. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Zona

Anyone acquainted with that website or know anything about it? Thanks. ===== John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

New to list and is anyone out there researching WRIGHTs from Black Rock / Buffalo area? I am trying to find a Mary Ann Wright c 1827, have no idea who her parents are but if you are missing one she could be mine and she ended up in Townsend, Norfolk County, Ontario, Canada and married my gg grandfather in 1844. Thanks, Joan Austen from BC, Canada

New to list and is anyone out there researching DUGGANs from Black Rock / Buffalo area? I am trying to find a few lost relatives! Thanks, Joan Austen from BC, Canada

New to list and is anyone out there researching LESTERs from Black Rock / Buffalo area? I am trying to find a few lost relatives! Thanks, Joan Austen from BC, Canada

Hi~ I just joined the list, and I was hoping for a little help with one of my brick walls. I'm currently researching the family of my husband's 3rd great aunt, Julia Cook (married names: Shepard, Frayer & Robinson). I have very little information on her first marriage, but according to the obituary of their son, Dale Hiawatha Shepard, Dale was born in Buffalo, Erie, New York. The obituary says that he was born in 1862, and other sources say he was born in 1859. The obituary lists his father as D. Shepard, and the marriage index entry lists him as A. E. (though some of the D's in those old records could easily be mistaken for As!). What I'm hoping for is that someone who has access to the Buffalo city directories for the time period from 1859 to 1862 (or even more before and after that time) could check and see if they were listed at all. I've been trying for a long time, and without much success, to find out his full name and to do more research on him since the only place I've ever seen him mentioned is the marriage index and the son's obituary. Julia remarried in Nov 1864 in Marshall county, Iowa, so D. (or A. E.) Shepard had either died or been divorced by that time. I suspect he may have been in the Civil War, but I have nothing to back that up either. Hopefully, this isn't too jumbled and confusing! If you have any questions, I would be happy to clarify anything here. Any help would be very greatly appreciated! Thanks, and take care! "-) Justina "-)

Thank you Cindy. Zona On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:59:50 EST Hofsearch@aol.com writes: > Zona, > > I hope this helps > > Image 23 of 377 Ancestry.com > > John Baader Household > 1850 New York Federal Census > Erie County, 4th Ward; September 2nd, 1850 > Handwriten Pg# 771; Stamped Pg # 386 > Dwelling 1715; Visitation: 2539; Lines 22-27 > > 22 - John Baader 39 Laborer Germany > 23 - Augusta " 34 " > 24 - Catherine " 14 " > 25 - Philipp " 10 " Attending > School > 26 - Conrad " 8 " " > 27 - Conrad " 10/12 New York > > Note: there are three other famlies living at this dwelling. this is > their > order of visitation > > 2540 > 28 John Reitz 27 Mas(?) Germany Note: possibly > (Mason) > 29 Catherine " 17 " > > 2541 > 30 - Peter Nell 24 Joiner Germany > 31 - Margaret " 17 " > > 2542 > 32 - Cornelius Lindenberg 62 Peddler Germany > 33 - Elisa " 51 " > > Cindy Hofmeister > hofsearch@aol.com >