You have to jump in and start somewhere. I usually spend four dollars per reel. However, when you find a relevant reel, it generally has a gold mine--often an entire family's records is present. Then the money is well spent. If nothing else, order the reel for any Evangelical Lutheran church in the city of his last sighting. Concentrate on anything German--where did those good guys from Darmstadt-Hessen attend church? A lot of times, the same family groups stuck somewhat together. Just looking for the Langenfelds, my cousin and I found at least some of them in all the reels we ordered except one. We also wrote down some names and filed them away. Our temporary disappointment was often turned into happiness when we realized we could connect those names to the family. So we never really wasted money. I have fears of endless hours, money, and time spent looking at reels from European records and finding nothing, but not in the U. S. That has usually been fruitful for me. We just followed the city directories, picked a church close by, and ordered the reels. The other idea for finding Pluto is completely wacky, but might just work: contact the press in Buffalo, no make it a smaller town in the area--make it a human interest story--entire list discussing Pluto and making a website just for him: who knows what cemetery records keepers might just dig out a record and look? Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: <zona.himmelsbach@juno.com> To: <NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] The man--we all know just who that is--P. Bader > Diane you wrote> 'I cannot think of > anything else that is left--other than searching the reels. > > The good news is that usually, you strike gold by doing this, and then > you > wonder why you did not just do it before.' > > > Diane, > It crossed my mind a couple of times but I never followed through. Call > it a "Duh" mindset. > > Costltly if I don't even know what city in Niagara or Erie County. > Zona > : ( > > > ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> > See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Zona, I think you might need to order church death records--reel by reel. He is probably buried by an Evangelical Lutheran minister--if my memory serves me correctly. I believe this is your best bet as far as finding him. Otherwise, Pluto will elude you forever. I am ninety percent certain that this week I have just found one of the nine people eluding me, but I have had to make several phone calls and write a few emails, and I am probably going to need to write to a church which merged with another church to get them to look at their records. My ancestor's grave appears to be in a township where the clerk operates out of her home! (Are the cemetery records in the garage or the attic of someone's house?) This is sometimes fascinating, sometimes weird, sometimes annoying, and sometimes expensive work, but to find a grave, you may need to do it. Whatever website he was on, I think we can safely state is long gone. Someone may not have maintained it. We also tried contacting cemeteries and got nowhere. We tried contacting clerks and struck out. I cannot think of anything else that is left--other than searching the reels. The good news is that usually, you strike gold by doing this, and then you wonder why you did not just do it before. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: <zona.himmelsbach@juno.com> To: <NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Re: NYS b,m,d indexes > If anyone has many hours to while away their time please look for Pluto > BADER deathdate anytime after 1888. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jillaine/Buffalo/plutobader.html > > > > ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> > See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Diane you wrote> 'I cannot think of anything else that is left--other than searching the reels. The good news is that usually, you strike gold by doing this, and then you wonder why you did not just do it before.' Diane, It crossed my mind a couple of times but I never followed through. Call it a "Duh" mindset. Costltly if I don't even know what city in Niagara or Erie County. Zona : (

Who was it that said the Law is an Ass !!! It cannot be copied, but you can have access to the entire index (time permitting) and presumabely write down every entry you wish, even if its the entire contents !!! Sounds like their on the same scam as here in UK, when a library has to pay around £10,000 for a copy of the GRO index on film. A good reason to keep it offline. Adrian Mary Stack <mstack@rochester.rr.com> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Death Certificates from NYS verses the local Town or City.... > The microfiche index of Birth, Death & Marriages that occurred in NYS and > registered with the State starting about 1881 are available in Albany at the > NYS Archives, in Syracuse at the Onondaga County Public Library Central > Branch-Local History & Genealogy Dept., in Rochester in the Rundell Library, and in > Buffalo in a Library (I haven't been to that one so I can't give you the > exact name.) > > NYS Law states that the index cannot be online nor copied. The libraries > that got the microfiche index copies had to go thorough intense training so this > is tightly enforced. One must show ID to use it and you are restricted to the > number you may have to look at each time (3 at a time in Syracuse, unlimited > total number for the day, however). > > hope that helps > > ______________________________ ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx Adrian Furminger http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~furminger/ KFHS member 10278 NWKFHS member 6018 http://www.Kent-opc.org.uk

If anyone has many hours to while away their time please look for Pluto BADER deathdate anytime after 1888. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jillaine/Buffalo/plutobader.html

I use Buffalo's B,M,D index and never been told there's a limit. It's easy and fast to use.I also used Rochester and looked at as many as I wanted.

----- Original Message ----- From: <MuskratBay@aol.com> To: <NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Death Certificates from NYS verses the local Town or City.... > The microfiche index of Birth, Death & Marriages that occurred in NYS and > registered with the State starting about 1881 are available in Albany at the > NYS Archives, in Syracuse at the Onondaga County Public Library Central > Branch-Local History & Genealogy Dept., in Rochester in the Rundell Library, and in > Buffalo in a Library (I haven't been to that one so I can't give you the > exact name.) > > NYS Law states that the index cannot be online nor copied. The libraries > that got the microfiche index copies had to go thorough intense training so this > is tightly enforced. One must show ID to use it and you are restricted to the > number you may have to look at each time (3 at a time in Syracuse, unlimited > total number for the day, however). > > hope that helps > > ______________________________

I live in North Tonawanda. Our library has microfilm of the Tonawanda News and city directories for North Tonawanda, not sure about Tonawanda. If Tonawanda directories are there, they probably are for the City of Tonawanda. I can stop in when I have a chance and see what they have. I'll start with the 4 Jul 1974 date for an obituary. Sometimes when a person is predeceased by a spouse, they will give the date. It could be a couple of weeks before I can get there. I'll let you know. Mary North Tonawanda, NY -----Original Message----- From: David Hawkins [mailto:hawk295@military.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:25 AM To: NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYERIE] I need help with an two obituaries I am trying to find two obituaries if anyone can help me. I am looking for my grandparents obituaries they are from the Kennmore and Tonnawanda areas. Lloyd Hawkins who died possibly in 1967 which is all I have on him and Mildred (Shererd) Hawkins who died around July 4 1974. They had former addresses of 169 Kenmore Ave in Kenmore and 233 Parkside in Buffalo. These addresses were good around WWII. If anybody can help even with a city directory listing of thim it would also help. Thank you David Hawkins ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I live in North Tonawanda. Our library has microfilm of the Tonawanda News and city directories for North Tonawanda, not sure about Tonawanda. If Tonawanda directories are there, they probably are for the City of Tonawanda. I can stop in when I have a chance and see what they have. I'll start with the 4 Jul 1974 date for an obituary. Sometimes when a person is predeceased by a spouse, they will give the date. It could be a couple of weeks before I can get there. I'll let you know. Mary North Tonawanda, NY -----Original Message----- From: David Hawkins [mailto:hawk295@military.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:25 AM To: NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYERIE] I need help with an two obituaries I am trying to find two obituaries if anyone can help me. I am looking for my grandparents obituaries they are from the Kennmore and Tonnawanda areas. Lloyd Hawkins who died possibly in 1967 which is all I have on him and Mildred (Shererd) Hawkins who died around July 4 1974. They had former addresses of 169 Kenmore Ave in Kenmore and 233 Parkside in Buffalo. These addresses were good around WWII. If anybody can help even with a city directory listing of thim it would also help. Thank you David Hawkins ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

The fiche index is also at the NARA in New York City. I used it there three or four years ago, and there was no restriction - I sat down at the reader with the box of fiches. And if anyone plans to be using the fiche and has some time, I'd be interested in a look-up for one person. The catch is, I've been unable to narrow down the death to less than a 27 year period (1930 - 1957). . . And the index is by year, so it could mean many fiches to review. Regards, Hilary Henkin Atlanta, GA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05

Would passport records prior to 1925 held by NARA show anything relevant on an ancestor (from Erie County)? Would NARA have a copy of the Application for a passport? Zona

I am trying to find two obituaries if anyone can help me. I am looking for my grandparents obituaries they are from the Kennmore and Tonnawanda areas. Lloyd Hawkins who died possibly in 1967 which is all I have on him and Mildred (Shererd) Hawkins who died around July 4 1974. They had former addresses of 169 Kenmore Ave in Kenmore and 233 Parkside in Buffalo. These addresses were good around WWII. If anybody can help even with a city directory listing of thim it would also help. Thank you David Hawkins

--- MuskratBay@aol.com wrote: > The microfiche index of Birth, Death & Marriages that occurred > in NYS and > registered with the State starting about 1881 are available in > Albany at the > NYS Archives, in Syracuse at the Onondaga County Public > Library Central > Branch-Local History & Genealogy Dept., in Rochester in the > Rundell Library, and in > Buffalo in a Library (I haven't been to that one so I can't > give you the > exact name.) Buffalo & Erie County Public Library, Lafayette Square. *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com www.buffaloresearch.com "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: So much has been destroyed I have to cast my lot with those who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich

The microfiche index of Birth, Death & Marriages that occurred in NYS and registered with the State starting about 1881 are available in Albany at the NYS Archives, in Syracuse at the Onondaga County Public Library Central Branch-Local History & Genealogy Dept., in Rochester in the Rundell Library, and in Buffalo in a Library (I haven't been to that one so I can't give you the exact name.) NYS Law states that the index cannot be online nor copied. The libraries that got the microfiche index copies had to go thorough intense training so this is tightly enforced. One must show ID to use it and you are restricted to the number you may have to look at each time (3 at a time in Syracuse, unlimited total number for the day, however). hope that helps

Is anyone out there researching the ROEMIG surname in Erie County? The ROEMIG messageboard and mailing list is fairly new. Zona

$7.00 plus whatever they charge for copies. Still cheaper than going through NYS. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hofsearch@aol.com> To: <NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] How to get copies of wills? > Amy, > > When researching for a probate/succession I would recommend going to < > familysearch.org> and searching their library card catalog. There you can > type in any > state or country you are researching. Once the area you want comes up > click > on the link and it will give you a list of all the different items the > Family > History Library has on microfilm. > > For New York you could type in say Erie in the first box and New York in > the > second box. Keep clicking on the links until you come across probates. > (Typically half way down) click on this. You will first want to see if > they have an > index. Order the index at your local Family History Center (cost is about > 3.50) > once you have your ancestor name and succession pkt number you can look > for > the film that holds that pkt. Then order this film. > The total cost to you will be about (7.00). Not bad when you compare the > price of going to each state you need. Not to mention these are > microfilmed copies > of the real documents. You can do this same thing for a lot of your > research > saving you tons and tons of money. > > PS often times many of your ancestors will be on the same film saving you > even more money. <G> > > Cindy Hofmeister > hofsearch@aol.com > > In a message dated 4/25/05 2:04:23 PM Central Daylight Time, > amyalbers@charter.net writes: > > >> I am sending this to each listserve to which I subscribe in hopes of >> getting answers specific to each one. I looked on the sampubco site and >> found >> listings of wills for several confirmed and potential ancestors. Is >> sampubco the >> only way I can obtain copies of these wills? I'm thinking there must be >> another way since Erie county doesn't even have anything listed on there. >> Is >> there a form to send to the county directly, or does anyone do lookups? >> The >> prices on the sampubco site seemed awfully high, and if there is a way I >> could >> do it cheaper, I would LOVE to! I'm in GA and a gen. trip to NY does not >> appear to be in the cards anytime soon! Thanks in advance! >> >> Amy Albers >> > > > > > ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> > See the Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Amy, When researching for a probate/succession I would recommend going to < familysearch.org> and searching their library card catalog. There you can type in any state or country you are researching. Once the area you want comes up click on the link and it will give you a list of all the different items the Family History Library has on microfilm. For New York you could type in say Erie in the first box and New York in the second box. Keep clicking on the links until you come across probates. (Typically half way down) click on this. You will first want to see if they have an index. Order the index at your local Family History Center (cost is about 3.50) once you have your ancestor name and succession pkt number you can look for the film that holds that pkt. Then order this film. The total cost to you will be about (7.00). Not bad when you compare the price of going to each state you need. Not to mention these are microfilmed copies of the real documents. You can do this same thing for a lot of your research saving you tons and tons of money. PS often times many of your ancestors will be on the same film saving you even more money. <G> Cindy Hofmeister hofsearch@aol.com In a message dated 4/25/05 2:04:23 PM Central Daylight Time, amyalbers@charter.net writes: > I am sending this to each listserve to which I subscribe in hopes of > getting answers specific to each one. I looked on the sampubco site and found > listings of wills for several confirmed and potential ancestors. Is sampubco the > only way I can obtain copies of these wills? I'm thinking there must be > another way since Erie county doesn't even have anything listed on there. Is > there a form to send to the county directly, or does anyone do lookups? The > prices on the sampubco site seemed awfully high, and if there is a way I could > do it cheaper, I would LOVE to! I'm in GA and a gen. trip to NY does not > appear to be in the cards anytime soon! Thanks in advance! > > Amy Albers >

To get a Certificate from NYS, (I just hand delivered 4 requests today) you can mail in a request and wait 12 months or hand deliver in Albany or Menands, NY and get it in under 3 weeks. I got the last group I requested in 10 days. Very important to have the exact certificate number also. (These are for records found on the index of births, marriages and deaths.) Index years for Births are 1881 - 1930, Marriages & Deaths from 1881 - 1955. Note not all towns or cities complied with the law to file with the State until closer to 1900. so the record may not be filed with the State, only with the local area. The Certificate Copy you get from NYS is a photocopy of the original. Most Counties, Towns, Cities, etc., provide a typed transcript. Many errors are made when someone tries to interpret information on your ancestor's record. I have a great great uncle who according to NYS died of 'fatty degeneration of the heart.' That's reasonable. However, the Town of Warsaw typed it as 'fatty degeneration of the head.' that's very possible too (I've met many fat-headed men who end up dead due to their stupidity!) NYS charges $22 a piece, but sometimes it is worth it! Anne Ruggeri Brewerton, NY

>Index years for Births are 1881 - 1930, Marriages & Deaths from 1881 - 1955. >Note not all towns or cities complied with the law to file with the State >until closer to 1900. so the record may not be filed with the State, only with >the local area. Annie, just where can a person vew these indexes? I can't travel to NYS. Are they on microfilm or microfiche? Wouldn't it be wonderful if they were online! Zona

Sampubco don't have Erie County wills online because it is time consuming checking the surrogate records which is only system in use by Erie County. Hope you can afford Erie County clerk's charge of $75.00 or more for the file you find. Sampubco's price is a bargain compared to New York's authorized charge of 75 to 95 dollars per record. The probate index for Erie County is spread over 10 rolls. And the indexes are not intense in these rolls, rather they are too spaced-spreaded. More like double or triple spaced. And the Family History Library has microfilms to Case File #26270. Any case beyond that, you will have to contact Erie County for them. David Samuelsen This page answers that question. Scroll down to Wills. http://www.buffaloresearch.com/vital.html Good luck! --- CLARK1528@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/25/2005 2:04:28 PM Central Daylight Time, > > amyalbers@charter.net writes: > I am sending this to each listserve to which I subscribe in > hopes of getting > answers specific to each one. I looked on the sampubco site > and found > listings of wills for several confirmed and potential > ancestors. Is sampubco the > only way I can obtain copies of these wills? I'm thinking > there must be another > way since Erie county doesn't even have anything listed on > there. Is there a > form to send to the county directly, or does anyone do > lookups? The prices on > the sampubco site seemed awfully high, and if there is a way I > could do it > cheaper, I would LOVE to! I'm in GA and a gen. trip to NY > does not appear to be > in the cards anytime soon! Thanks in advance! > The probate records for Erie County are available on microfilm > from the > Family HIstory Library in Salt Lake. Consult their catalogue > at Familysearch.org > > Jennifer Clark -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .