I just realized that I have my grandfather's discharge papers too. He didn't have a birth certificate and used them as proof of his age. When they moved from New York to California in about 1928, he took a copy down to the Los Angeles County Clerk and had them recorded. The copy that I have has the record number on it. My dad says that's sometimes what people did with important papers to safeguard them in those days. You can still do it today - the county clerk will record any documents that you want for a fee Ditto what George said. My father did the same and on the back of his discharge is similar info that later appeared on the DD 214 forms. I thought I saw those records down in the basement of the courthouse where the immigration/naturalization index cards were housed, which was open to public searches. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: George Richmond <grichmon@localnet.com> To: NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:42:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [NYERIE] military records >I can't imagine there are many army records at county hall, as >the army is operated by the federal government, not county >government. I think county hall has records of some military >discharges and not much more. I can confirm the above. My own military discharge is on file at the Erie County Clerk's office, but only because I brought it in and asked them to add it to their records, way back in 1946. This was done as a precaution in case proof of service was ever needed. George ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> My Genealogy: http://members.cox.net/dtrose/ Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> My Genealogy: http://members.cox.net/dtrose/ Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Niagara Falls Public Library Faces Imminent Closure Following the defeat of a public referendum that would have allowed it to survive a million-dollar cut the city made to its budget last December, the Niagara Falls (N.Y.) Public Library and its LaSalle branch could close their doors permanently on August 1. The financially strapped city said last year that it could only afford about half of the $2.1 million that library officials needed for operating costs in 2005. Residents then rejected by only 480 votes a June 21 referendum that would have created a new district to fund library operations through property taxes instead of the city coffers, the June 22 Niagara Gazette reported. Although city funding ran out at the end of June, NFPL Executive Director Betty Babanoury told American Libraries that Mayor Vince Anello came up with enough to keep the library open through July. But if nothing is done to fund it for the rest of the year, 45 full- and part-time employees will lose their jobs and Niagara Falls will lose its library. To prepare for that possibility, the board appointed at the beginning of June a "closure coordinator," former Canisius College Library Director George Telatnik, who confessed to Babanoury that this was "the worst possible job he'd ever been assigned." "We really don't know anything about closing a library," Babanoury told AL, "but we have been in touch with David Palmquist, head of the New York State Chartering Office, and he has located a storage facility in Rotterdam, New York, on a military base where we could move our local history collection intact." The collection acquired many valuable and irreplaceable items in 2000 when the Niagara Falls Historical Society dissolved. Meanwhile, NFPL trustees filed a lawsuit against the city in state court June 30, contending that city council had actually agreed to transfer the full $2.1 million the library requested and never lowered the dollar amount, Babanoury explained. Library officials have scheduled a meeting with councilors July 12 to go over the budget again. "Both the council and Mayor Anello would like the library to stay open," Babanoury said. One contingency plan proposed by Council Chairman Charles Walker is to use $1.4 million of the income from the Seneca Niagara Casino for the main library, while the city budget could fund the LaSalle branch. Babanoury emphasized that if the library closes, it would be permanently. "But that decision has to go before the citizens of Niagara Falls as a vote because the library is in the city charter," she added. "And I haven't run across anyone in the past six months who wants the library to close. It's been around a long time, since 1895."

Ditto what George said. My father did the same and on the back of his discharge is similar info that later appeared on the DD 214 forms. I thought I saw those records down in the basement of the courthouse where the immigration/naturalization index cards were housed, which was open to public searches. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: George Richmond <grichmon@localnet.com> To: NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:42:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [NYERIE] military records >I can't imagine there are many army records at county hall, as >the army is operated by the federal government, not county >government. I think county hall has records of some military >discharges and not much more. I can confirm the above. My own military discharge is on file at the Erie County Clerk's office, but only because I brought it in and asked them to add it to their records, way back in 1946. This was done as a precaution in case proof of service was ever needed. George ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> My Genealogy: http://members.cox.net/dtrose/ Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

George....I agree with this. I took another look at what I received and the papers were discharge papers. Nothing more. Sorry about that. I appreciate your input. Angela

There is information and forms for obtaining Military records for deceased veterans on the NARA website. As I recall, it is easier (and free) to get records as next-of-kin and I believe they have two different forms. http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/veterans_service_records.html Unfortunately, some time in the 1970's there was a fire at the St. Louis storage facility and a large portion of the Army's records for WWI and WWII were destroyed. The good news is that when my dad submitted the request for his father's WWI records, whoever handled it really tried to help us figure out if the records might have been sent elsewhere for any reason. And their response time was pretty quick. We didn't have any luck, but it is nice to know that people care. I'm getting old and grey waiting for a death certif. from the State of New Jersey. Coming up on the 6 month mark this week. This is the longest wait for me to date. -----Original Message----- From: Nicang7134@cs.com To: NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:09:49 EDT Subject: [NYERIE] military records How can I obtain Army military records? I am told by the staff in Buffalo County Hall that these records are not open to the public? I find that hard to believe as a few years back I requested and received a military record. The three people involved are from the Buffalo area. Help..... Angela ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> My Genealogy: http://members.cox.net/dtrose/ Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

>I can't imagine there are many army records at county hall, as >the army is operated by the federal government, not county >government. I think county hall has records of some military >discharges and not much more. I can confirm the above. My own military discharge is on file at the Erie County Clerk's office, but only because I brought it in and asked them to add it to their records, way back in 1946. This was done as a precaution in case proof of service was ever needed. George

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How can I obtain Army military records? I am told by the staff in Buffalo County Hall that these records are not open to the public? I find that hard to believe as a few years back I requested and received a military record. The three people involved are from the Buffalo area. Help..... Angela

www.collectionscanada.ca/canadiandirectories --------------Original Message------------- From: Blais Gabrielle Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:00 PM To: _LAC / BAC Subject: Canadian Directories / Annuaires canadiens Library and Archives Canada is pleased to announce the launch of phase two of the Canadian Directories site (a project funded by the Department of Canadian Heritage through its Canadian Culture Online initiative). The addition of 80 new directories to our growing database brings a total of 95 searchable directories to the site. With this phase, we have focused upon the regions of Ottawa, Halifax and environs; these regions were selected to complement the digital initiatives of our colleagues across the nation, including Bibliothèque nationale de Québec and Our Roots: Canada's Local Histories Online. In addition, we've introduced a new section entitled CityScapes, which offers a brief historical overview of the cities whose directories have been digitized. You are invited to visit the site at: www.collectionscanada.ca/canadiandirectories For more information, please contact Project Manager Susan Globensky at 992-2520, webservices@lac-bac.gc.ca .

I can't imagine there are many army records at county hall, as the army is operated by the federal government, not county government. I think county hall has records of some military discharges and not much more. This page from the National Archives, where federal government records go when they are no longer needed for current business, might help: http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/veterans_service_records.html --- Nicang7134@cs.com wrote: > How can I obtain Army military records? I am told by the > staff in Buffalo > County Hall that these records are not open to the public? I > find that hard to > believe as a few years back I requested and received a > military record. The > three people involved are from the Buffalo area. Help..... > > Angela > > > ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> > My Genealogy: http://members.cox.net/dtrose/ > Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only > for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com www.buffaloresearch.com "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: So much has been destroyed I have to cast my lot with those who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gordon A. Watts <gordon_watts@telus.net> Date: Jul 7, 2005 1:07 PM Post 1901 Census -- Message from Librarian and Archivist Greetings All. I have this morning received a response to my query to the Librarian and Archivist of Canada regarding when the 1911 Census records would be online. I copy the pertinent sections of Mr. Wilson's message below. The delay in answering was because he was away from Ottawa last week. Enjoy the Census! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Wilson Ian To: Gordon A. Watts Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:40 AM Subject: RE: 1911 Census records Dear Gordon Extraordinary times ! The legislation clarifying access to the historical census went through and received Royal Assent while I was in Newfoundland for the opening of their new art gallery/museum/archives called The Rooms. It is a superb facility with excellent reading rooms for the provincial archives overlooking the harbour. The provincial genealogical society was present and they were enthusiastic. We are working actively and quickly to prepare the 1911 census for web access, and as you know from our web site we expect to have it available early in August. We are trying to anticipate likely demand by adding to our server capacity. We had been tracking demand on our site and found in March-April that demand was bumping up against the ceiling of our capacity. We added 50% to capacity in April and found that in May and June we were again bumping against our limits so we are investing in another 50% addition. We are also looking at other solutions to help us with the possible demand level as we all remember the experience in the UK when their 1901 census went live. I trust you are taking some well-deserved rest this month...to recuperate between getting the legislation and then spending August in research with the 1911 census. Best wishes Ian Ian E. Wilson Librarian and Archivist of Canada Bibliothécaire et Archiviste du Canada

Can anyone tell me what Buffalo District the address 111 Eller Avenue would have been in the 1920 US Census? Thanks in advance! ~Carol in Detroit

>Is it possible for some kind soul to lookup the following people in the >1910 census - either Buffalo or Niagara Falls area > >Caroline Collins 47 years old born England No Caroline b. England in Erie or Niagara Counties > >John A Collins 27 years old born Ontario, Canada No John b. Ontario in Erie or Niagara Counties

death registrations to go on line at; http://rootsweb.com/~onvsr/deaths.htm Format: Surname, given name('s), gender, date of death, age, birth place, cause & length if given, occupation, burial location, infm & location, comments, parents and location of birth if given, township, (County), Registration No. and 2 digit year (ie 123456-78) Toronto, York Co. 1875 Death Registrations (York County, Ontario, Canada) PATTERSON, Ida, f, March 5, 1875, 5 years and 6 months, Buffalo, NY, cause - phthisis, infm - I. E. Graham, MD, Toronto (York Co.) 009768-75 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/05

Is it possible for some kind soul to lookup the following people in the 1910 census - either Buffalo or Niagara Falls area Caroline Collins 47 years old born England John A Collins 27 years old born Ontario, Canada Sincere thanks GAIL in Ontario -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/05

My great grandmother Catherine (Tierney) Connors/O'Connor in 1880 was a servant to a Priest who name was Father Eugene M. Mcdermott. She married her husband Patrick Connors/O'Connor in 1884. Patrick Connors/ O'Connor was from Cootehall County Roscommon. I found this article about Father McDermott's death. GOOD PRIEST GONE. ------------- Father McDermott of St. Stephen's Is Dead. ----------- Friend of the Poor ------ When Times Were Hard He Bought Coal at Wholesale for the Benefit of the Needy ---------- The Rev. Eugene M. McDermott, rector of St. Stephen's Catholic Church on Elk Street, and one of the most popular priests in the Roman Catholic diocese of Buffalo, died yesterday morning in St. Stephen's parish house No. 793 Elk Street. Thousands of sorrowing parishioners visited the bier in the parochial house last evening, and many a tear was shed by those who viewed the remains.. The dead rector had, for twenty- three years, been their spiritual father, and, In times of need, a warm personal friend. Eugene M. McDermott was born in the County of Roscommon, Ireland, in 1846. He came to this country when about 10 years old and became a student at Niagara University in 1864. He was ordained a priest on June 7, 1778 by the late Bishop Stephen Vincent Ryan. Soon after his ordination he was sent to Belmont, N. Y. where with that energy which characterized him through life, he set to work to build an addition to the church committed to his care. In the brief space of eighteen months the addition was completed and fine new pastoral residence was built. Building of St. Stephen's After leaving Belmont he was assigned as curate under the late Rev. Monsignor Gleason of St. Bridget's this city, with authority to begin the great work of his life, which was the creation of a new parish to be known as St. Stephens' . The young priest displayed such energy in his new field that the new parish was formed and St. Stephen's Church was opened and formally dedicated. December 25, 1875 -- not the handsome edifice of today. but a modest brick structure having a seating capacity for about 600. This was enough for the parish of that day when portion of South Buffalo seemed out in the country, and houses were few and far between. In the rear was a frame schoolhouse over which the hard-working young rector had his living apartments. The little parochial school taught by the Sisters soon grew until encroached on the living apartments of rector and in 1882 a new residence was built for priest. New Church Built. In 1886 St. Stephen's parish was found to have outgrown its church and school accommodations. Father McDermott was again equal to the emergency and took the entire work of his own shoulders as he had the upbuilding of the parish. A handsome new limestone church seating about 1,800 was built over the site of the primitive structure. It was formally dedicated March 13, 1887, by the late Bishop Ryan. The dedicatory sermon was preached by the late Bishop O' Farrell of Trenton, in the presence of a large concourse of priests and laity. Father McDermott's tireless energy was next directed to the erection of the Convent of the Sisters of Mercy a handsome structure adjoining the new church. The convent cost about $12,000. Three years later, 1896 witness the erection of St. Stephen's parochial School a three-story and basement building, where 375 scholars now receive tuition under the care of the Sisters. The school cost $25,000. His Enduring Monument St. Stephen's Church with the adjacent buildings which he planned in every detail. form an enduring monument to the memory of the good rector who passed away yesterday. But a more enduring monument than all this was the love inspired by a heart ever open to sympathize with the needy poor, a hand ever ready to succor the distressed. Many a poor man had reason to remember with gratitude the rector who had been to him a friend in need.. It is recorded of the dead rector that when traveling on the railroad anywhere or away from home where he was likely to meet people of influence, he never missed an opportunity when it came his way to put in a good word for someone in St. Stephen's parish. Many a deserving workingman obtained a good paying position in this way. Bought Coal for the Poor. During strikes and in times when the poor had difficulty in keeping the wolf from the door Father McDermott would buy fifteen or sixteen carloads of coal at wholesales rates. This would be distributed among the needy at a considerable saving and if anybody couldn't pay, why, the claim was never pressed. He hated everything savoring of hypocrisy. He had the courage of his convictions and when convinced he was right, would speak his mind absolutely without fear. Up to about four years ago he conducted the work of the parish without assistance. In 1894 the Rev. John J. Lee was appointed curate and he was succeeded by the Rev. Sebastian E. Alrey on March 13, 1897, the present curate. The Rev. Richard Burke latterly assisted the rector, who has not officiated in church since May 29th of this year, when he insisted on entering the church. After that he took to his bed for several days. The late rector has a sister in the Convent of the Holy Cross at Washington D.C. Another sister has been his housekeeper for years and attended him through his fatal illness. The funeral will take place from St. Stephen's on Friday at 10 o'clock. The burial will be in the Holy Cross Cemetery. The remains will probably be removed from parish house to the church tomorrow afternoon.

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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you ! Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Van Ness <bettybarcode@yahoo.com> To: NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NYERIE] Status of open records in NY State Hi, gang, Found this while looking up other stuff: http://www.rcfp.org/cgi-local/tapping/index.cgi?key=NY The Door to Open Government in NEW YORK It is written by attorneys and cites laws about what kinds of records are open to the public. *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com www.buffaloresearch.com "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: So much has been destroyed I have to cast my lot with those who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> My Genealogy: http://members.cox.net/dtrose/ Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hope you can make good use of it! Upon further study, I saw that all it did was cite relevant case law, and guess who is not an attorney. --- sgtnysp@aol.com wrote: > Thank you, Thank you, Thank you ! > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cynthia Van Ness <bettybarcode@yahoo.com> > To: NYERIE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:52:57 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [NYERIE] Status of open records in NY State > > > Hi, gang, > > Found this while looking up other stuff: > > http://www.rcfp.org/cgi-local/tapping/index.cgi?key=NY > The Door to Open Government in NEW YORK > > It is written by attorneys and cites laws about what kinds of > records are open to the public. > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > www.buffaloresearch.com > "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: > So much has been destroyed > I have to cast my lot with those > who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary > power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich > > > ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> > My Genealogy: http://members.cox.net/dtrose/ > Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn > more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > ==== NYERIE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: Dick Rose <dtrose@cox.net> > My Genealogy: http://members.cox.net/dtrose/ > Archived Messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only > for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com www.buffaloresearch.com "My heart is moved by all I cannot save: So much has been destroyed I have to cast my lot with those who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary power, reconstitute the world." -Adrienne Rich