What a fascinating site. I found a number of hits on the names I'm researching. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgianne Bowman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Western New York history online > The Making of America database is at > http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/ > > If my filter removes it again, try Googling Making of America in quotes. > It will come up. > > zona himmelsbach <[email protected]> wrote: what is the url to access > Making of America database > > On Feb 7, 2008 3:33 PM, Georgianne Bowman > wrote: > >> For anyone who has not yet discovered it, Cornell's "Making of America" >> database has thousands of pages of books and documents and it is fully >> searchable. >> >> The book mention is here as well as one I get lots of requests for: >> Erasmus Briggs "History of the Town of Concord" as well as lots of >> others. >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try >> it >> now. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

There is a detailed explanation of how to obtain copies of NYS Vital Records on the most recent Upstate New York Genealogy Blog at http://ny-genes.blogspot.com or by going to the main website at www.unyg.comand selecting the tab labeled "UNYG Blog".

We lived on Reiman street when I was 5. I attended Woodrow Wilson School also. I remember on my fifth birthday my mom sent me to that store to buy some bread--can you imagine today sending a 5 yr old 3 blocks away on their own--so she could have a surprise birthday for me. I stopped to talk to a man sitting on his step. My mom had to come looking for me becuase i was taking so long OH THE MEMORIES CLaudia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Woodrow Wilson School, Sloan >I didn't attend Woodrow, but my ex and my nephews did. I lived on Jackson >st > for about 6 months back in 04-05 and on the corner of Curtiss and Reimann > for > about a year back in 89-90. I know the house well on the corner of Crocker > as > my ex lived just a couple houses away from it. Too bad the candy store is > long gone! I grew up in Depew and now live in the same house I grew up in. > > Nan > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I didn't attend Woodrow, but my ex and my nephews did. I lived on Jackson st for about 6 months back in 04-05 and on the corner of Curtiss and Reimann for about a year back in 89-90. I know the house well on the corner of Crocker as my ex lived just a couple houses away from it. Too bad the candy store is long gone! I grew up in Depew and now live in the same house I grew up in. Nan **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

I loved your ideas of giving Auntie the photo album to help trigger memories, and of watching the tape later and thinking of further questions - pity you apparently didn't get the chance. It's true that a family history comes alive with biographies and memories of our recent ancestors. Also true that if you ask Granny a bare question she may claim not to remember the answer, but if you spend the time and let her reminisce in her own way, interjecting the odd leading question for clarification, you get a lot of valuable information. So write down those stories your Granny told you when they pop into your head - and don't forget your own! Liz Davies ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:47 AM Subject: [NYERIE] Adding depth to your family history > After reading most if not all of the recent posts it > reminded me of something I said I would do shortly > after my aunt passed away suddenly. She was the last > one in my parents generation. > To often we look at our family genealogy as just > names, dates, and places. > On one of my trips back to Buffalo, I was able to get > my aunt to sit down at a table and using a tape > recorder and movie camera (not facing her) was able to > get her to go through the old photos that she had > saved. > The stories she told that I had never heard and the > family details that I would never find looking at > microfilm, city directories etc helped me by providing > clues that she did not realize she knew. After listing > to her that day and watching the video that night I > wished I had asked more questions about my dad's and > my grandmother's life when they were alive. > My generation does not write letters anymore. The only > letters my family has is just a couple from my dad and > uncle during WWII. I stopped when I married the girl I > was writing. > I hope that some of you will take the time to write > these memories and stories down and add them to your > family history files. > I know I am going to try to start this evening by > opening a word document and try a write a couple of > sentences every night. > Even I have a few stories that my future grandchildren > or great grandchildren might enjoy reading. > I am also going to put into words the stuff I remember > about my dad and grandmother for the future family > historian that go beyond just dates. > > Thanks to everyone who gently reminded me of what I > said to myself several years ago that I was going to > do but everything else got in the way. > > Have a great weekend > Don W > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

hi - wondering if any other readers in this list attended Woodrow Wilson School in Sloan? My family lived in an apartment over my grandparents' home, on Gierlach Street- they were Fred and Bertha Schlicht; my parents were Robert and Helen Conpenelis. I was a student there through the middle of 3rd grade, before we moved to the suburbs of Depew, a *new* area at that time period (late '50s) Would enjoy hearing any memories from others from the school, or from Sloan- the school was at the corner, of Halstead Street- In kindergarten, 1954-1955, there were two teachers that I had: Mrs Heart and Mrs Divine - they were wonderful (as ALL kindergarten teachers are!) My favorite teacher was Mrs O'Neil in 2nd grade - and I have a class photo - if anyone else reading this attended, I could send them a copy, if interested. Most often, I would have my lunch in the classroom with her - eating from my little red plaid lunchbox- sometimes buying a glass bottle of milk there for a penny! I walked to school, sometimes stopping along the way at the little store, Litwin's - at the corner of Crocker street. - their glass candy case was very inviting!! There was another store near that corner, but I can't recall the name of it - Does this jog anyone else's memories?? Linda

I was unaware of this project, or I surely do not remember seeing it before. I clicked on this URL The Making of America database is at http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/ Then found Judy's response, with a different URL (see her message). So, I went to both URL's and found that when I searched on one surname, I got different results. If I understand correctly, you should search both sites, as they have different books/works scanned. I apologize if I am stating the obvious to those of you who were aware of this project. Thanks for posting the URL's. ----- Original Message ---- From: Judy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2008 8:17:35 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Western New York history online Zona, http://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/moagrp/ Judy --- zona himmelsbach <[email protected]> wrote: > what is the url to access Making of America > database ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

The Making of America database is at http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/ If my filter removes it again, try Googling Making of America in quotes. It will come up. zona himmelsbach <[email protected]> wrote: what is the url to access Making of America database On Feb 7, 2008 3:33 PM, Georgianne Bowman wrote: > For anyone who has not yet discovered it, Cornell's "Making of America" > database has thousands of pages of books and documents and it is fully > searchable. > > The book mention is here as well as one I get lots of requests for: > Erasmus Briggs "History of the Town of Concord" as well as lots of others. > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

what is the url to access Making of America database On Feb 7, 2008 3:33 PM, Georgianne Bowman <[email protected]> wrote: > For anyone who has not yet discovered it, Cornell's "Making of America" > database has thousands of pages of books and documents and it is fully > searchable. > > The book mention is here as well as one I get lots of requests for: > Erasmus Briggs "History of the Town of Concord" as well as lots of others. > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Zona, http://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/moagrp/ Judy --- zona himmelsbach <[email protected]> wrote: > what is the url to access Making of America > database ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

It is a very useful website. Because of Fultonhistory.com, I was able to make some family connections that I had always "knew" but was never able to "prove." And, the more interesting thing about that is, I found these missing pieces through old articles about my 4th great aunt's murder by her husband. It took a lot of time sifting through thousands of papers, reading every article about it, but each name mentioned,even in passing in these articles, lent another bread crumb to the path. And to think this guy makes no profit from this, and funds that site purely on donations. I've recommended it over and over again to people here on this board and even to some of my patients. It's has proven it'self a better resource than many of the pay ancestry sites. Happy Hunting, everyone.... Amy ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Are there any newspapers...Fulton Post Cards SEARCH TIP I hear ya Tim .. its like a new TV show Ancestors Gone Wild .. i got a lot hits in the Police Blotter to .. i still have a lot of Streets to search ... some are really funny .. Knife carrying neighbors that dont speak the same language fighting in the streets over a property line .. Son-law attacks their mother-law with a hammer.. You can spend hours on that web site .. Iam glad i was able help .. Take Care Paul **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025<http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025> 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hear ya Tim .. its like a new TV show Ancestors Gone Wild .. i got a lot hits in the Police Blotter to .. i still have a lot of Streets to search ... some are really funny .. Knife carrying neighbors that dont speak the same language fighting in the streets over a property line .. Son-law attacks their mother-law with a hammer.. You can spend hours on that web site .. Iam glad i was able help .. Take Care Paul **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

just a delicious chicken marinade. I also have my brother bring that up to me when he visits. DIdn't know the family lived local .. THanks for that info Claudia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: [NYERIE] CHIAVETTA CHICKEN > And what about Chiavetta Chicken. The best chicken barbeque.. You can > always > find Chiavetta Chicken at most church picnics, the Erie County Fair, > private > parties, etc. etc. There is also a Chiavetta sauce sold in Wegmans and > Tops > supermarkets in Western New York. > > The Chiavetta clan is from the Brant/Angola area, south of Buffalo. The > family still lives there. > > Angela C. > Bufffalo, New York and Largo, Florida > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, reading old newspaper stories is more fun than reading most of the new newspaper stuff. Don --- [email protected] wrote: > I hear ya Tim .. its like a new TV show Ancestors > Gone Wild .. i got a lot > hits in the Police Blotter to .. i still have a lot > of Streets to search ... > some are really funny .. Knife carrying neighbors > that dont speak the same > language fighting in the streets over a property > line .. Son-law attacks their > mother-law with a hammer.. You can spend hours on > that web site .. Iam glad i > was able help .. Take Care Paul > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all > time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

The point is not if someone enjoys a post or not. I have enjoyed some of the posts, but the point is this is a list on genealogy, and serious genealogists are going to be driven away because we have 15 messages in our mailbox about Sponge Candy, and another 25 regarding Beef on Weck. The topic of the list is not a democracy. The point in having list titles is so people can elect what they want to receive messages about. If you tell people you have a list for Erie County genealogy, and members have a mailbox full of messages on something else, naming the list is pointless. I don't mean to be rude, but this seems incredibly obvious. I sincerely value the posts I receive from many people on this list. Mak On Feb 8, 2008 10:01 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > No, no Laurie, don't keep quiet. I've enjoyed your posts. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- +1(310) 856-9885 skype: mcintire.allen

Thank you, Paul! Searching by street address was a great tip. I had pursued the Old Fulton NY site before, but using this technique I found several new and material items. For better or worse, the most hits were from the Police blotter section of the Buffalo papers. :) Thanks. Tim Researching: Watts, Siener, O'Laughlin, Potts, Murphy, Wagner On 2/7/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > When searching The Fulton Post cards web site , i got more hits , if you > search the complete street address for the person you looking for, > omitting the > words Buffalo NY ..using a exact phrase option .. .. dont forget to spell > out > Street or Avenue .. and if you get you get no results , try searching the > street name without a house number , you get to see what the neighbors > were > up....PAUL > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > ( > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I had a teacher at Mill Middle school that I was very fond of. Her name was Mary Freeman. She taught a creative writing segment within her English class. It was a fun class and really helped us to Dream about being somebody someday. I wonder if she is still alive and if she is in Erie County. Lois Lane On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:38:20 EST [email protected] writes: Hi Lois - Yes, yes, yes it was Doris Shearer. You're a sweetheart for looking her up for me. She was a wonderful person and helped me through a rough time. I eventually quit the teaching profession, I was much too shy back then to be a leader of anybody! Diane

Enjoying it is fine, but the idea to start a subgroup: [email protected] would seem to be the best idea. The idea is to keep the number of messages down on this list so we don't run into the problem of being on too many lists, which is really the problem of receiving too many messages. Focus! On Feb 8, 2008 10:38 AM, Jann Parks <[email protected]> wrote: > I know this is off the subject but I have enjoyed the talk of food. I have > not lived in New York State since 1940 and at that time my taste in food > was > more to baby food so it is interesting to read about it. I will try to > make > some of that candy. > Jann Whalen Parks > Numbers 6:24-26 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Brenzel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] sponge candy > > > > So sorry! My apologies for continuing non-genealogy discussions about > > food. > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of M. Brenzel > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:11 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] sponge candy > > > > > > Yes, you can buy sponge candy at Tops, but why would you want to? You > > have to go to a chocolate shop to get really exceptional sponge candy. > > My research on the web found that the origin of sponge candy is kind of > > hazy. It is suggested to have been the creation of Joseph Fowler who > > was visiting Buffalo for the Pan Am Exposition in 1901 and decided to > > stay. > > > > If you really want a treat, try orange chocolate sponge candy. Those of > > us from North Tonawanda know that orange chocolate was the "invention" > > of Carl Platter (http://www.platterschocolates.com/aboutus.asp). Only > > the best will do! > > > > Mary > > North Tonawanda, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Lois J Lane > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:30 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] sponge candy > > > > > > My daughter made sponge candy one time. I know there was a > > mixture of stuff that included Baking soda put into a cookie sheet to > > cool (and rise) that was cut into squares and then dipped into milk > > chocolate. You can buy it not with other kinds of chocolate. It was > > on sale last week at TOPS for $2.99 a pound (regularly $4.99/lb). I'm > > sure there has to be a recipe out there somewhere. > > > > Lois > > > > On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 1:09:13 -0500 <[email protected]> writes: > >> chocolate covered 2 inch squares with inside like sponge or like the > >> inside of malt balls. It's usually expensive but available. > >> > >> kevin > >> ---- Linda Lathrop <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> ============= > >> Sponge Candy??? Never heard of it. > >> I'll have to ask my hubby if they had it in Chicago. > >> But he is snoring on the couch so I'll have to ask him later. LOL But > >> can you explain what sponge candy is? Linda > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Cynthia Van Ness > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:19 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NYERIE] weather > >> > >> > >> Lots of people think sponge candy is unique to Buffalo but last > >> fall I saw it for sale in a candy shop in downtown St. Paul, MN. > >> > >> Wikipedia calls it sponge toffee and lists other places where it > >> is popular: > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge_candy > >> > >> --- [email protected] wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > In a message dated 2/5/2008 10:11:09 P.M. Eastern Standard > >> > Time, > >> > [email protected] writes: > >> > > >> > Beef on Weck, Buffalo > >> > > >> > > >> > Linda > >> > Was sponge candy one of the ones he couldn't get? > >> > people in new york city have not heard of sponge candy > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on > >> > AOL Music. > >> > > >> > >> > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003 > > 0 > > 00000025 > >> > 48) > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > >> Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > >> http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > >> > >> "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. > > > >> City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other > >> people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a > >> hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the > >> collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. 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Don: Yes, this is excellent advice. I did something similar with my 101 year old grandmother and her brother, and as you say, it only makes you wish you had done more. At the risk of promoting Ancestry.com to much, they now permit you to upload videos attached to your people, and a system for recording phone interviews directly to the profiles. Kind of nifty. Mak On Feb 8, 2008 10:47 AM, Don W <[email protected]> wrote: > After reading most if not all of the recent posts it > reminded me of something I said I would do shortly > after my aunt passed away suddenly. She was the last > one in my parents generation. > To often we look at our family genealogy as just > names, dates, and places. > On one of my trips back to Buffalo, I was able to get > my aunt to sit down at a table and using a tape > recorder and movie camera (not facing her) was able to > get her to go through the old photos that she had > saved. > The stories she told that I had never heard and the > family details that I would never find looking at > microfilm, city directories etc helped me by providing > clues that she did not realize she knew. After listing > to her that day and watching the video that night I > wished I had asked more questions about my dad's and > my grandmother's life when they were alive. > My generation does not write letters anymore. The only > letters my family has is just a couple from my dad and > uncle during WWII. I stopped when I married the girl I > was writing. > I hope that some of you will take the time to write > these memories and stories down and add them to your > family history files. > I know I am going to try to start this evening by > opening a word document and try a write a couple of > sentences every night. > Even I have a few stories that my future grandchildren > or great grandchildren might enjoy reading. > I am also going to put into words the stuff I remember > about my dad and grandmother for the future family > historian that go beyond just dates. > > Thanks to everyone who gently reminded me of what I > said to myself several years ago that I was going to > do but everything else got in the way. > > Have a great weekend > Don W > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- +1(310) 856-9885 skype: mcintire.allen

Dear Laurie, Don't worry about it; no apology needed. <g> Everyone got so enthused about the Beef on Weck and related memories that it just grew and grew. And your queries about the Dames of Malta was right on topic, since it was about one of your relatives. You're right, that's how we learn. And frequently topics that start out directly related to genealogy take a spin and veer off into memory-land. This is fun; but at some point we need to veer back. Now, if someone had a relative who sold Beef-on-Wecks, or was tracing a supposed link to the supposed inventor, that would be on-topic <VBG>. Hilary