Instead of trying to stretch a Buffalo genealogy list to be all Buffalo things to all Buffalo people, may I humbly suggest that people who want to talk about non-genealogy matters simply go where these things are already on topic, and, I might add, wildly popular? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BuffaloHistory/ --- Linda Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > > The point is not if someone enjoys a post or not. I have > enjoyed some of > the posts, but the point is this is a list on genealogy,<< > > At the risk of adding more 'clutter' to this mail list - > I want to > offer an > idea from another list that I belong to. > I subscribed to the Sheltie list this past weekend- and > the "Rules" > when you > subscribe look daunting! they are very particular as to the > material you > send in--however, after re-reading it a couple times, and > starting to > receive messages, now I can see how it is a very effective > system. > First, you have to sign up for the topics you want - you > can sign up > for ALL - or individual topics (for ex., a few includ, > behavior, show, > breeding, grooming, etc) > also, the list admin. has assigned these topics in abbreviated > form, so you > have to write that in the subject line when you send a message > - > for ex., > BEHA: biting > [Behavior: biting] > And a BIG help is to write directly to the person whose > question you are > answering, > OFFLINE - privately to them, not everyone cares about certain > topics > [as per the plenty of emails not wanting to hear about sponge > candy ] > I'm sending this on so perhaps a similar solution could be > found for this > list - > it would alleviate some problems - if you don't want to talk > about local > customs/foods, etc., you wouldn't sign up for those topics. > Perhaps the Erie co. list admin. can see if it would be > do-able. > Just an idea. > And while I'm here, I'd like to say that a lot of what > some people > consider non-genealogy related, can be very helpful - it was > to me - last > year, listers > were discussing candy stores of long-ago Buffalo, and I was > able to find > where some of my family had worked --and it was great to add > those pieces > to my genealogy-puzzle - it makes the people I never knew more > real to me. > And besides, sponge candy and beef on wick are part of the > western NY > culture! > Linda > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

This may help with accomodations: http://www.visitbuffaloniagara.com/accommodations/ Like any other community, some Buffalo neighborhoods are very troubled and others are utterly delightful. Good things happen in supposedly bad neighborhoods all the time, and bad things happen in supposedly good neighborhoods all the time. Since this conversation is off-topic in a genealogy group, here's a group where it is on topic: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BfloIssueAlerts/ --- [email protected] wrote: > Can anyone suggest reasonable places to stay in Buffalo, > preferably on the > Westside, for under $100 per night and are there weekly rates > anywhere? > > Also, I've heard bad reports about buying in Buffalo and have > been told the > city is crime-ridden and gang infested. Are there nice, safe > places in > Buffalo to buy? I left the Westside 17 years ago and that's > my first preference. > Ideally I'm looking for a double and would rent one of the > apartments. Can > anyone direct me to a good realtor? > > Thanks, > Diane > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL > Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

If you are descended from Rev. Thomas Hooker and can prove it.... 1. Do you have a descendancy chart showing this that you will share with me. 2. Have you done any DNA testing or has someone (male) in your family? 3. If so, will you share your results to compare with my brother's? 4. If you haven't done any DNA testing and are related to Rev. Thomas Hooker, would you (must be male with Hooker name or could have different surname but have proof that you are really from Hooker lines) be willing to take the test (swab inside cheek)? 5. If you are willing to take the test and can prove you are descended from Rev. Thomas Hooker, but can't afford the price of the test; we can have it done through the Hooker DNA Project which gets a discount from Family Tree DNA, the number one DNA researchers in the USA. My brother's last name is Farrell due to a grandfather changing his name because he wanted to hide from his family, the Hookers. So my brother took the test and we matched it with a Hooker male still living who is our second cousin. But he is only proven to our ggggreat-grandfather along with us. He said he was always told we were connected but he has no proof. So if you can help us with this, we would greatly appreciate it and will do whatever we can to accomplish this. Please email me at [email protected] if you can help or know of someone who can. Thank you. Linda Lathrop nee Farrell/really Hooker

Can anyone suggest reasonable places to stay in Buffalo, preferably on the Westside, for under $100 per night and are there weekly rates anywhere? Also, I've heard bad reports about buying in Buffalo and have been told the city is crime-ridden and gang infested. Are there nice, safe places in Buffalo to buy? I left the Westside 17 years ago and that's my first preference. Ideally I'm looking for a double and would rent one of the apartments. Can anyone direct me to a good realtor? Thanks, Diane **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hi to all - an FYI this round. This is really for those of you who are "locals" in Buffalo and thereabouts. Have you heard about StoryCorps? One of their traveling mobile vans will be in Buffalo, NY from July 17 - Aug 23. If you're interested, this is a way to freely and professionally tell some of your life stories - interview style - for about 40 minutes. Could be about a topic or theme in your life. Could be about the local history of Buffalo and what you think/feel about it. You can arrange to bring someone you want to interview - or someone you want to have interview you. You'll come away with a CD of the recording. A copy of the audio interview is also housed at the Library of Congress. StoryCorps has been going on for some time now and you can listen to some of the completed interviews to get an idea of what they're like. Here are some helpful urls at StoryCorps if you want to know more about it. Three steps to record your story: http://www.storycorps.net/record-your-story What to Expect: http://www.storycorps.net/record-your-story/what-to-expect Interactive exercise to generate interview questions: http://www.storycorps.net/record-your-story/question-generator Or look through a long list of possible questions - organized in topic clusters - as is - or to get ideas http://www.storycorps.net/record-your-story/question-generator/list Here's a link to the original press release - back in 2003 - from the American Folklife Center at the Library of Congress - the folks who are archiving all the audio interviews: http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2003/03-168.html Since the mobile vans are traveling from city to city - you can keep up with their location schedules at: http://www.storycorps.net/record-your-story/locations Since it'll be in Buffalo this coming July-Aug - thought I'd give folks here a heads up - in case you want to participate - or find people you think would be great to interview. If you're on this list, but live elsewhere - take a gander to see if a van is going to be in your neck of the woods sometime this year. If you do none of the above? At the very least - you can get some great interview questions you can use for your own oral history project - personal, family or community. Or, you can head to the LOC to listen to some of the stories already recorded. To me? This is a modern equivalent of all those great WPA interviews. :) Deb

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Since the last update to this list I have added biographies for the list of people below to my web site. Like all Erie County files they may be found with this link. http://history.rays-place.com/ny/cty-erie.htm List of new names Paxson, Horace A., Dr. Pierce, Charles M. Poorten, J. William.txt Potter, Daniel F..txt Potter, Reuben Proctor, Charles M. Ransom, Norman W. Reimers, John Reuling, John H. Robinson, Caroline B., Mrs. Robinson, Roy M. Rose, J. W. Ryan, Samuel C. Ryan, Thomas M. Teller, George R. Tench, William E. Thebaud, Frank L. Thiringer, Frank E. Thomas, William G. Thompson, Herbert A. Thompson, R. H. Thorne, Albert G. Thornton, William H. Timpson, Thomas S. Tindle, Thomas Tobie, Emile S. Tripp, Augustus Franklin True, Marion J. Tutton, Charles H. Twichell, Charles A. Tyng, Pierre Kissam Ulbrich, Otto Ulrich, Louis J. Van Peyma, Herman B. Vedder, Harrison Needham Viele, Henry Knickerbacker Viele, Sheldon Thomson Vogt, John F. Voisinet, Eugene M. Volger, Edward C. Volker, Andrew J. Vosburgh, John L. Wade, H. McClelland Wadsworth, George Wagner, Peter Waite, Charles E. Waite, Richard Alfred Walker, Robert T. Walker, Stephen Warren, Seth W. Watson, Henry M. Weill, Henry Wheeler, Albert J. Wheeler, Charles B. Wheeler, Stephen Whelan, Frederick A. White, Charles C. White, Henry G. White, John C. White, Paul Harvey Williams, Alfred S. Williams, Gibson T. Williams, Gurdon H. Williams, John Wesley Wilson, David M. Wilson, George H. Wilson, William F. Windsor, Joseph C. Windsor, Millard F. Wolf, John J. Wright, Andrew Robinson Wright, William F. Yates, Carlton E. Young, David Casper Young, Jasper S. Zittel, Wadsworth J. Cheers Ray http://www.rays-place.com

This is the perfect question to try at WNYlibraries, because you can search multiple Buffalo libraries at once: http://www.wnylibraries.org/zportal/zengine?VDXaction=ZSearchSimple --- Russell Lipp <[email protected]> wrote: > My ggg Johann Adam Lipp came to Buffalo in the 1840s and was > married > at St. Peters German Evangelical Church about 1846. At that > time, St. > Peters was a mission church of First Presbyterian Church in > Buffalo. > St. Peters did not keep its own records until it separated > from First > Presbyterian in 1848/49. Does anyone know if the earlier St. > Peters > records were kept by First Presbyterian Church? Also, where > might > those records be today - at the Buffalo Erie County Library, > Buffalo > Historical Society or some other place? Appreciate any help. > > > > Russell Lipp > 6 Clarkes Crossing > Fairport, NY 14450 > 585.425.2953 > [email protected] > Rochester Genealogical Societty > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

My ggg Johann Adam Lipp came to Buffalo in the 1840s and was married at St. Peters German Evangelical Church about 1846. At that time, St. Peters was a mission church of First Presbyterian Church in Buffalo. St. Peters did not keep its own records until it separated from First Presbyterian in 1848/49. Does anyone know if the earlier St. Peters records were kept by First Presbyterian Church? Also, where might those records be today - at the Buffalo Erie County Library, Buffalo Historical Society or some other place? Appreciate any help. Russell Lipp 6 Clarkes Crossing Fairport, NY 14450 585.425.2953 [email protected] Rochester Genealogical Societty

Been meaning to reply to this. Don? I'm suprised you didn't hear me shout "YES!" the other day when I read your message. How many times have any of us stood at the tombstone of "one of ours" - or stared into the faces of photographs on those old black pages in a vintage family photo album - done our VR searches - checked the census - moved on to probate, land, military, and most anything else we can lay our hands on - and STILL said "who were you" and "what was your life story"??? We go on to learn more of the local history where our people lived - what "the times" were like in the decades they were here - what inventions they did or didn't likely have during their lifetimes and more. I've recorded several family interviews but there were so many other times I didn't have a recorder or wasn't thinking that way then. Wish I had. There are ancestors I wish I could talk with just to ask questions! Lost all four grandparents before I reached high school way back when - so no ques/ans with them. Lost my dad (born in Niagara Co, NY) back in 1996 - but mom is still here - in not so terrific health at 81, but full of spirit, memories and humor. Been talking about family history for decades and I "still" learn new things each time we talk! These days, as I do my usual genealogical research, I tell mom what I found and we use that as yet another "prompt" for talking about what she remembers. One year, I flew from CA to CT - packed my parents into my rental car - and we did the drive up and over to western NY. We were in Niagara and Erie Counties. We drove to cemeteries. We drove to all the places they used to go when thery were dating before they married. How I wish I had recorded all those conversations as they literally went down memory lane. I asked lots of questions. We visited some relatives. We ate and talked and laughed and talked some more. Little did we know that spring that my dad would die a few days before Thanksgiving that same year.. Adding depth to our family history? Guess you see I can't agree more! Deb (thanks, Don)

Christine: Hope you are able to get to WNY before everyone is gone. If your Aunt has children be sure to let them know about the value of the books and photos and that you are at least interested in photocopying them if they are going to someone else. If she has no children do you know her neighbors/next of kin? If so be sure they have your phone number. So much of this kind of items get tossed after a death or sold at a estate sale. My aunt was also the one who started the family history bug in me. Best of luck. --- [email protected] wrote: > > Don, > > I completely agree with you.? I wish I had done this > with my aunt, who?will be 91 in a month, a few years > ago.??My uncle?(also 90) has Alzheimer's and has > gotten much worse the past 2 years.? She refuses to > put him in a home and it?really has taken a toll on > her.? I can barely have a five minute phone > conversation (I live in the Bronx and she?lives in > Western New York) to see how she is doing, let alone > any family history.? Like you said, I know the > names, but she knew the people when they were > alive.? It is very sad.? She is the one who actually > gave me the family history bug!? Half of her bedroom > is full of shelves of her books on our family,?full > of information and photos she wants to share with > me, but with the situation it is impossible.? I am > sure every photo has a story behind it.? The last > time I?visited WNY, I could tell that she was not > comfortable with me visiting her house because of my > uncle.??She never knows what he will do or say.?? > > I have an uncle who will be 92 on my mom's side of > the family.? He has all of his faculties about him, > but is losing his eyesight.? I thought about asking > him to write a sort of history of what he remembers, > but didn't do it before, and now it is not feasible > for him to do it with his poor eyesight. I am not > sure when I will be able to make it to WNY, so the > tape is on hold for now. > > Christine > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

Mak: Thanks for the tip. I have a USA subscription to Ancestry until May or June. I will look into this feature. Don --- "S. McIntire ALLEN" <[email protected]> wrote: > Don: > > Yes, this is excellent advice. I did something > similar with my 101 year old > grandmother and her brother, and as you say, it only > makes you wish you had > done more. At the risk of promoting Ancestry.com to > much, they now permit > you to upload videos attached to your people, and a > system for recording > phone interviews directly to the profiles. Kind of > nifty. > > Mak > > On Feb 8, 2008 10:47 AM, Don W > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > After reading most if not all of the recent posts > it > > reminded me of something I said I would do shortly > > after my aunt passed away suddenly. She was the > last > > one in my parents generation. > > To often we look at our family genealogy as just > > names, dates, and places. > > On one of my trips back to Buffalo, I was able to > get > > my aunt to sit down at a table and using a tape > > recorder and movie camera (not facing her) was > able to > > get her to go through the old photos that she had > > saved. > > The stories she told that I had never heard and > the > > family details that I would never find looking at > > microfilm, city directories etc helped me by > providing > > clues that she did not realize she knew. After > listing > > to her that day and watching the video that night > I > > wished I had asked more questions about my dad's > and > > my grandmother's life when they were alive. > > My generation does not write letters anymore. The > only > > letters my family has is just a couple from my dad > and > > uncle during WWII. I stopped when I married the > girl I > > was writing. > > I hope that some of you will take the time to > write > > these memories and stories down and add them to > your > > family history files. > > I know I am going to try to start this evening by > > opening a word document and try a write a couple > of > > sentences every night. > > Even I have a few stories that my future > grandchildren > > or great grandchildren might enjoy reading. > > I am also going to put into words the stuff I > remember > > about my dad and grandmother for the future family > > historian that go beyond just dates. > > > > Thanks to everyone who gently reminded me of what > I > > said to myself several years ago that I was going > to > > do but everything else got in the way. > > > > Have a great weekend > > Don W > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > +1(310) 856-9885 > skype: mcintire.allen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Another possibility is polygamy: the putative wife discovered he was previously married, the previous wife was still alive, and that marriage was still in effect. Mak On Feb 12, 2008 1:57 AM, Bill Wiler <[email protected]> wrote: > If the marriage was never consummated would also be a reason for > annulment. If they didn't have children, that could be a possibility. > Bill wiler > > > > [email protected] > Sent by: [email protected] > 02/10/2008 08:18 PM > Please respond to > [email protected] > > > To > [email protected] > cc > > Subject > Re: [NYERIE] marriage annullment > > > > > > > Thank you all who responded to my cry for help regarding reasons for > annulling a marriage. Linda, I spoke with the second husband of my > father's first > wife. He couldn't have been nicer but unfortunately he didn't know much. > > What he did say, however, was that she didn't want to talk about it. She > went > to San Diego with my father and then apparently turned around 3 years > later > and married the man I spoke with. Apparently there were no children born > in > California, so I'm wondering what happened. I'm a detective by nature, > aren't > we all, and if anyone can hazard a guess I'm all ears. I've asked > someone in > San Diego if there's a way to track another marriage and or kids born to > Paul. We'll see.... > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > ( > > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email, including attachments, is for the sole > use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. Any unauthorized review, use or disclosure or distribution is > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender > immediately and destroy all copies of the original message. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- +1(310) 856-9885 skype: mcintire.allen

Just a heads up that there will be a temporary schedule change in the hours at the BECHS Research Library. A UB class is doing a digitization project here and the class size exceeds the available seating in the Library. Please spread the word. ===== Dear Members & Friends of the Historical Society, The Historical Society Library will be adjusting its public hours to accommodate a research project, being open Tuesdays instead of Thursdays in the following weeks. Open: Tuesday, March 18, 1-5 pm * Closed: Thursday, March 20 Open: Tuesday, March 25, 1-5 pm * Closed: Thursday, March 27 Open: Tuesday, April 1, 1-5 pm * Closed: Thursday, April 3 Open: Tuesday, April 8, 1-5 pm * Closed: Thursday, April 10 Open: Tuesday, April 15, 1-5 pm * Closed: Thursday, April 17 Regular hours (Wednesdays through Saturdays, 1-5 pm) resume on April 23, 2008. *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

This is from Wikipedia: Grounds for a marriage being voidable or void ab initio vary in different legal jurisdictions, but are typically limited to fraud, bigamy, and mental incompetence including the following: 1. Either spouse was already married to someone else at the time of the marriage in question; 2. Either spouse was too young to be married, or too young without required court or parental consent. (In some cases, such a marriage is still valid if it continues well beyond the younger spouse's reaching marriageable age.) 3. Either spouse was under the influence of drugs or alcohol at the time of the marriage; 4. Either spouse was mentally incompetent at the time of the marriage; 5. If the consent to the marriage was based on fraud or force; 6. Either spouse was physically incapable to be married (typically, chronically unable to have sexual intercourse) at the time of the marriage; 7. The marriage is prohibited by law due to the relationship between the parties. This is the "prohibited degree of consanguinity", or blood relationship between the parties. The most common legal relationship is 2nd cousins; the legality of such relationship between 1st cousins varies around the world. 8. Prisoners sentenced to a term of life imprisonment may not marry. 9. Concealment (e.g. one of the parties concealed a drug addiction, prior criminal record or having a sexually transmitted disease) Terri Http://www.tlsprague.com Shawn's Mom 1980-2006 Http://northwest-wanderer.spaces.live.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of S. McIntire ALLEN Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] marriage annullment Another possibility is polygamy: the putative wife discovered he was previously married, the previous wife was still alive, and that marriage was still in effect. Mak and the body of the message

Did you post this info to the GOODRICH message board? Zona On Feb 10, 2008 11:17 PM, Shelley Cardiel <[email protected]> wrote: > I've "rescued" two old photographs of Don GOODRICH which were both taken > at > studios in New York State. The first is a photograph of Don taken at the > Huested Studio in Sandy Creek, Adams, or Orwell, NY. The photograph was > likely taken in the 1890's with Don appearing to be about 4-5 years old at > the time it was taken. The second photograph of Don was taken at the > DeLaFranier Studio in Buffalo, NY. This second photograph also appears to > have been taken in the 1890's with Don about 3-4 years old at the time it > was taken. > > The second photograph also includes the name "Gramma CROCKER" on the back > of > the photograph as if this is the person to whom the photographs were > given. > Thanks to the help of a GOODRICH Family Researcher we believe that this is > a > photograph of Don J. GOODRICH b. 10 Octobr 1887. In 1900 Don was living > with his Grandparents, George W. & Eliza GOODRICH in Sandy Creek, NY. > > In 1920 Don J. GOODRICH was living with his wife Ethel GOODRICH in > Chicago, > IL, was newly married and had no children. Don's occupation was listed as > a > House Carpenter. In the 1930 census he (listed as James D. GOODRICH) and > his wife were living in East Syracuse, NY, listing his occupation as Car > Inspector for the Railroad and they had two children, Freda and James. > > I am hoping to locate someone from Don's family so that these beautiful > photographs can be returned to his family. If you are a member of this > family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. > > Thanks, > Shelley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Divorce is a state law. Marriage in the Catholic Church is a sacrament. Without the annulment in the eyes of the church the marriage still exist. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Grace Mather" <[email protected]> > I could be wrong but I think the Catholic church is the only one that > technically forbids a second marriage following a divorce, thus the course > of choice is an annulment. My daughter and her 2nd husband were both > married to people who didn't want children and this wasn't known at the time > of the first marriage. We're hoping they will go through the annulment > process and be able to get married in the Church in the not too distant > future. > > Grace > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] marriage annullment > > > > I'm laughing about the iron. Here's another question: Were annulments > > only > > given to Catholics and could an annulment be given to the husband if the > > wife wanted no children? I'm assuming the answer is yes but very unusual > > for a > > husband to want and the wife doesn't want children. > > > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002 > 5 > > 48) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

If the marriage was never consummated would also be a reason for annulment. If they didn't have children, that could be a possibility. Bill wiler [email protected] Sent by: [email protected] 02/10/2008 08:18 PM Please respond to [email protected] To [email protected] cc Subject Re: [NYERIE] marriage annullment Thank you all who responded to my cry for help regarding reasons for annulling a marriage. Linda, I spoke with the second husband of my father's first wife. He couldn't have been nicer but unfortunately he didn't know much. What he did say, however, was that she didn't want to talk about it. She went to San Diego with my father and then apparently turned around 3 years later and married the man I spoke with. Apparently there were no children born in California, so I'm wondering what happened. I'm a detective by nature, aren't we all, and if anyone can hazard a guess I'm all ears. I've asked someone in San Diego if there's a way to track another marriage and or kids born to Paul. We'll see.... **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. ( http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use or disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of the original message.

There is Cannon Law and then there is actual practice. I've heard it said, even by my mother, enough money and the right paperwork can get a marriage annulled. Basically there are as maany reasons for an annulment as there are for divorces. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jillaine Smith <[email protected]> > > Roman Catholic anulments typically were not given for infedility. > > You have to prove that the marriage was based on a lie and therefore > > the vowes made were false, so no marriage actually took place. > > Actually, the Roman Catholic church will annul a marriage for much > less than that. > > I have intimate knowledge of a case where a non-Catholic couple > married, had a child and legally divorced after 2-3 years. > > TEN YEARS LATER, the ex-husband wanted to marry a Catholic girl. The > Catholic Church sent both the ex-wife and her parents a form > requesting information about the nature of the first marriage. > > Retroactively, the Catholic Church annulled this marriage so the > ex-husband could get married in a Catholic Church. I'm not sure what > that made the child of this former marriage in the eyes of the > Catholic church-- retroactively an out-of-wedlock child? > > Ironically, the man's marriage to the Catholic girl ended in divorce. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I could be wrong but I think the Catholic church is the only one that technically forbids a second marriage following a divorce, thus the course of choice is an annulment. My daughter and her 2nd husband were both married to people who didn't want children and this wasn't known at the time of the first marriage. We're hoping they will go through the annulment process and be able to get married in the Church in the not too distant future. Grace ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] marriage annullment > I'm laughing about the iron. Here's another question: Were annulments > only > given to Catholics and could an annulment be given to the husband if the > wife wanted no children? I'm assuming the answer is yes but very unusual > for a > husband to want and the wife doesn't want children. > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message