My question is 'How many St. Francis Catholic Churches are there in Buffalo?' I'm trying to find the St. Francis Catholic Church located on River Road. Is this church closed? I believe I have some relatives buried there by the name of Barbara and Joseph Ailinger and would like to find out what the burial records/tombstones say about these two. Thanks for your help! Donna Hudson [email protected]

You need to get the SBL (section, block & lot) from the assessors office in each town or city to get the info you seek Ed Toy ---- Kate Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Regarding the Erie County Real Property Tax Services website at: > > http://www.erie.gov/depts/finance/webprop/index.asp > > Does anyone know what is included in the database? I looked on the website for the answer without success. I am guessing that a description of the data collection process is published, but I couldn't find it. > > For example, I couldn't locate information on my parent's home in Williamsville/Clarence; they have lived at the address since 1957 and I know they pay taxes. :-) I couldn't find any addresses in West Seneca. What towns/villages are included in this database? How far back in history does the database go? Does this database supposedly include all property owners in present day Erie County? > > Any insights would be greatly appreciated. > > Kate > Where light snow is predicted today in Denver, > but I saw crocus leaves poking out yesterday. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Regarding the Erie County Real Property Tax Services website at: http://www.erie.gov/depts/finance/webprop/index.asp Does anyone know what is included in the database? I looked on the website for the answer without success. I am guessing that a description of the data collection process is published, but I couldn't find it. For example, I couldn't locate information on my parent's home in Williamsville/Clarence; they have lived at the address since 1957 and I know they pay taxes. :-) I couldn't find any addresses in West Seneca. What towns/villages are included in this database? How far back in history does the database go? Does this database supposedly include all property owners in present day Erie County? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Kate Where light snow is predicted today in Denver, but I saw crocus leaves poking out yesterday.

For what it's worth, the "Search all" drop-down menu tells you what towns are included. Also, the homepage tells you that the data is a subset of the NYS Real Property System. So you may have to jump up a governmental level to find out more about the database: http://www.orps.state.ny.us/ --- Kate Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Regarding the Erie County Real Property Tax Services website > at: > > http://www.erie.gov/depts/finance/webprop/index.asp > > Does anyone know what is included in the database? I looked > on the website for the answer without success. I am guessing > that a description of the data collection process is > published, but I couldn't find it. > > For example, I couldn't locate information on my parent's home > in Williamsville/Clarence; they have lived at the address > since 1957 and I know they pay taxes. :-) I couldn't find > any addresses in West Seneca. What towns/villages are > included in this database? How far back in history does the > database go? Does this database supposedly include all > property owners in present day Erie County? > > Any insights would be greatly appreciated. > > Kate > Where light snow is predicted today in Denver, > but I saw crocus leaves poking out yesterday. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

Here's the latest update from Concordia Cemetery: The cemetery achieved NY State landmark status of December 7, 2007. Please send your congrats to the board and volunteers who were instrumental in getting this designation. It should make the cemetery eligible for additional funds. Even so, the cemetery relies heavily on both volunteers and donations. The new year and new projects will begin at the end of April when the grounds are sufficiently dry and able to be walked upon. Mark you calendars for the THIRD SATURDAY of each month April through September. There's lots of great work to do on this wonderful old cemetery that houses the remains of some of our oldest ancestors. For more information about the cemetery, please visit: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jillaine/concordia/ -- Jillaine Smith volunteer web weaver for Concordia Cemetery

Nope , for some reasons St Matthews RC on East Ferry St (Closed approx 1983 ) & St Gerards RC Closed/merged on Bailey Ave are not on film .. They have a St Matthews in the FHC, but its not Roman Catholic , seems to be every thing along East Ferry Streets & East Delevan Streets are not on film , along along with Grace UCC on Delevan & Moselle Streets .. All the Church's I need to finish up and clean up my dining room table ... .. P.S if any one needs a nice picture of St Matthews RC from the 1920's for their family Album . give me a shout at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

I am looking for the family of my great-grandmother, Mary Ida LEFFER/LEFFERS/LEFFLERS, b c1870. Mary married Ira Crocker Oct 9, 1888 in Williamsville, NY. The marriage certificate states "Mary Leffer of Buffalo, New York". Ira and Mary's children were born in Williamsville and they later moved to East Hamburg (Orchard Park) by 1900. Ira Bernard Crocker was b 1865 prob. Williamsville to Levi S. and Lucinda Crocker. A possible candidate for Mary's family is the Joseph Lefler/Leffler family of Amherst: Joseph b. c1835, Theosea/Clarissa b. c1843, Caroline b. c 1863, Edward b. c1865, Mary b. c1866, Henry b. 1869, George b. c1870, Michael b. c1872, Joseph b. c1877, Diana b. c1878, and Albert b 1879. I would appreciate any leads to finding Mary's family. Mary Kester Rude

Have you checked the LDS catalog? Most of the Buffalo Catholic church records have already been filmed. Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Wondering ... about closed church's I hear ya .. I am really!!!!! looking for St Matthews RC and St Gerards RC records .. its just to many letters to write and unknown dates and they would hate me at the Catholic Diocese office , plus I would go broke with donations for look ups .. so i hope there are plans somewhere .. I would be glad to contribute like we did for Stephens UCC to get those church's filmed .. ...Thanks again .. its still 60 & sunny in Atlanta Ga ... Paul.. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aren't most (if not all) of the records from the churches of the Buffalo Catholic Diocese already filmed by LDS? Microfilms for every church that I have looked for have been onsite at the FHC in Amherst, NY. Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cynthia Van Ness Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Wondering ... about closed church's I'm not a WNYGS member so I don't presume to speak for them. Chances are good that the desire to film is there but I imagine that the consent & cooperation of the Diocese is necessary. It is possible that some of these records have already been filmed. Here's a woefully outdated list of local church records of various denominations on film: http://members.tripod.com/%7Ewnyroots/index-church.html --- [email protected] wrote: > I understand that they downsizing the Catholic Church in > Buffalo , I have > written a email to WNYGS to ask if they had any efforts in > microfilming those > records of the closed/merged church's and i havent heard > anything as of yet , > so i was wondering if anyone heard thru the grapevine or is a > member of the > WNYGS if they had it on the HONEY TO DO LIST... ..Thanks again > Paul .. ..sorry > i almost forget .. its 60 & sunny in Atlanta Ga and my Daffy's > are blooming > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL > Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

that's one thing i could not Find out , when Paderewski Street was changed from Lovejoy Street and Lovejoy Street other side of Bailey Ave changed to East Lovejoy St.. Then when i look at old maps .. looks like they had they wanted to combine the two sections , but the railroad was in the way ..I ran into that same problem years ago .. My Kin lived at 6 Longview Street off Northland Ave in 1900 census , no such address now .. so did they renumber or bulldoze everything to make a factory , .never did find a answer . i just wanted to take a pic of the house...My Mother told me a lot was changed at Broadway between Bailey & North Ogden .. several houses were moved to make way for the new viaduct , so many house where moved around on Gold & Davey Street to other streets ..Paul **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

>If Erie County is like a lot of other places in the USA, addresses >were changed in the early 1900's. Some counties that I have worked >in changed about 1915. So, "1644 street name" became "1678 street >name", for example. > >You would have to know IF they changed, WHEN they changed and WHAT >the new numbers were. House numbers in the City of Buffalo have been remarkably stable, with a few exceptions. Main St. was renumbered some time in the mid-19th century. Elmwood Ave. was renumbered when it was extended south from Ferry St. to Allen. There are certainly a few others. The numbering algorithm is "increase by one every ten feet, measured from the beginning of the street." Of course the rub is "where does the street begin?" On most east-west streets the numbers begin at Main St., and increase in both directions. The singular exception is West Ferry St, which is numbered from the Niagara river. This numbering plan is extended into the suburbs in some, but not all towns. Back about in the 1970s there was a movement started by public safety people to have a consistent county-wide numbering system, similar to those in younger cities in the mid- and far- west. The plan was adopted by a few towns, but the idea never caught on elsewhere. For example, Transit Road has numbers differing by thousands on the east and west sides where it is the boundary between the Towns of Amherst and Clarence. Clarence adopted the new system; Amherst did not. Local government can sometimes be quite obtuse! Another thing to watch out for is street name changes. There have been many in Buffalo. Usually the numbers did not change, just the name. The Monroe Title Company has prepared a list of changes which is available in the Grosvenor Room at the central Buffalo library. I assume it may be available on-line somewhere, since I have a copy of it in my computer. George

I hear ya .. I am really!!!!! looking for St Matthews RC and St Gerards RC records .. its just to many letters to write and unknown dates and they would hate me at the Catholic Diocese office , plus I would go broke with donations for look ups .. so i hope there are plans somewhere .. I would be glad to contribute like we did for Stephens UCC to get those church's filmed .. ...Thanks again .. its still 60 & sunny in Atlanta Ga ... Paul.. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

I understand that they downsizing the Catholic Church in Buffalo , I have written a email to WNYGS to ask if they had any efforts in microfilming those records of the closed/merged church's and i havent heard anything as of yet , so i was wondering if anyone heard thru the grapevine or is a member of the WNYGS if they had it on the HONEY TO DO LIST... ..Thanks again Paul .. ..sorry i almost forget .. its 60 & sunny in Atlanta Ga and my Daffy's are blooming **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

It shows the house that I grew up in that I now live in again as 1960 when it was built in 1959. A friends house is listed as 1900 when it was built in 1890's. So i'm thinkin you're right about the ending in '0" thing. Why would they do that tho? **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Noticed this atlas for sale while looking up other things. I have no affiliation with the bookseller. http://www.biblio.com/details.php?dcx=102640209&aid=frg New Century Atlas, Erie County, 1909 *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

I'm not a WNYGS member so I don't presume to speak for them. Chances are good that the desire to film is there but I imagine that the consent & cooperation of the Diocese is necessary. It is possible that some of these records have already been filmed. Here's a woefully outdated list of local church records of various denominations on film: http://members.tripod.com/%7Ewnyroots/index-church.html --- [email protected] wrote: > I understand that they downsizing the Catholic Church in > Buffalo , I have > written a email to WNYGS to ask if they had any efforts in > microfilming those > records of the closed/merged church's and i havent heard > anything as of yet , > so i was wondering if anyone heard thru the grapevine or is a > member of the > WNYGS if they had it on the HONEY TO DO LIST... ..Thanks again > Paul .. ..sorry > i almost forget .. its 60 & sunny in Atlanta Ga and my Daffy's > are blooming > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL > Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

Hi Kate .. thank you so much for the Tax information link !! .. Robinson name doesn't ring any bells for 1961 , but ill ask my dads cousins if it does .. ..I like that web site ..I would of never thought the county would of put all that History information on the site ,i just checked several of my current family street addresses , looks like they only go back to the late 1950's.. Thanks again ..Paul **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

--- [email protected] wrote: > It shows the house that I grew up in that I now live in again > as 1960 when it > was built in 1959. A friends house is listed as 1900 when it > was built in > 1890's. So i'm thinkin you're right about the ending in '0" > thing. Why would they do that tho? Because unlike other factors (lot size, for example), the precise year built is not essential information for tax collection purposes. So they aren't going to commit to the labor costs of locating building permits--which are distributed in how many village, town & city halls?--for every structure in Erie County. *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

Best to approach the "date built" records in this database with a large dose of skepticism. According to this database, my house was built in 1910 but I have a copy of the 1896 building permit for it and the 1900 census showing the family who lived in it. Old houses across Buffalo are routinely dated as 1900 in this database, as if houses were rarely in built in any other year. I'd be interested to hear if anyone searching it gets a year built that doesn't end in zero, especially for houses built before the computer era. Our good civil servants may have just aimed for the approximate decade. --- D S <[email protected]> wrote: > Kate: > > I found the following information at the Erie County Real > Property Tax > > Services website > http://www.erie.gov/depts/finance/webprop/index.asp > > -->> Wow! Thanks for the link and the great idea in general, > Kate. :) > > I just spent some time there - putting in street addresses I > have from > Buffalo City directories circa 19-teens and 1920s "just to > see". The > house where my gr-grandparents lived from 1900 or so forward > at 191 > Sherman Street (that I found on those Sanborn maps) didn't > bring up > anything. Since the history pages I found for other pages > went back > to the 1970s at the latest - perhaps that house/building is > simply > gone now? > > Went back and did same for next generation street addresses > and for > address where my gr-grandparents lived in the 1880s/1890s. In > the > latter case, the house at that address now was built in the > 1920s. > (So I know if I visit again - and went there to take a photo - > it's > not their house! lol) > > Have same question re: "before 1970s" in this database. > > Tried another way - and put in surnames only of those any of > the > females married from my main line. Found possiblities for > current > "cousins" and in one case, found one I know is related but > have never > met or contacted. Just know the name. So have an address to > write > now. > > No time at the moment, but can see I'll need to do some > rummaging > around at other county (or town) sites for property tax > databases. > > Thanks for the heads up, Kate! :) > > Deb > (in rainy and windy northern California) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

Aaaahhh ... makes sense. If I'm used to town and county boundary changes, why not streets and house numbers. Once again, I say thank you. Deb On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Carol Stevens <[email protected]> wrote: > If Erie County is like a lot of other places in the USA, addresses were changed in the early 1900's. Some counties that I have worked in changed about 1915. So, "1644 street name" became "1678 street name", for example. > > You would have to know IF they changed, WHEN they changed and WHAT the new numbers were. > > Sanborn maps around the time of the change were known to record both the old number and the new number. > > Just some other little issue to have to deal with. >