again, finding this discussion interesting, and makes me go looking. Found this web page with some interesting dates for early railroads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_railroads_in_North_America Part of what I find intesesting, is that I have knowledge of RR in Michigan during that time frame, NOT much knowledge, I in no way profess to having a lot, just a tidbit or two, which, haha, can get me in trouble. In Lenawee County, Michigan where I live, there is a boulder with a brass marker right behind the old courthouse, if you are not paying attention, it just kinda sinks into the landscape, because of where it rests. BUT, if you stop and read it you will find the inscription to read: "THIS BOULDER Marks the Terminal of the ERIE and KALAMAZOO R.R. The first railroad in the West The first train Reached Adrian from Toledo NOV 2, 1836 Erected by the Adrian Woman’s Club 1911" I guess I am gonna be doing a bit more research on transportation in this time frame. So little time, so much fun! thanks to all that responded to prior questions. Carol ----- Original Message ---- From: George Richmond <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:02:26 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo >this may NOT be the place to ask this question, but, seems that a >number of members know quite a bit about the Erie Canal, and this >exchange got me to thinking/questioning. > >Maybe some one could help me, or point me in the correct direction. > >Ancestors lived near Lake Placid (Black Brook, actually), Clinton >County, by 1840, and had moved on to near Chicago by mid 1840's. > >Would they have taken the Erie Canal as part of their trip from NY to IL??? Black Brook is about 20 miles west of Lake Champlain. They could have gone to the lake, somewhere near Port Kent, and found a boat southbound to the Champlain Canal. This connected to the Erie Canal at Waterford, NY, just north of Albany. The Erie Canal was the great migration route west, terminating in Buffalo, where one could find lake steamers west through the Great Lakes. There were very few rails in the mid 1840s. George ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

thank you George, G>G>G>G>G> THANKS!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ---- From: George Richmond <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:02:26 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo >this may NOT be the place to ask this question, but, seems that a >number of members know quite a bit about the Erie Canal, and this >exchange got me to thinking/questioning. > >Maybe some one could help me, or point me in the correct direction. > >Ancestors lived near Lake Placid (Black Brook, actually), Clinton >County, by 1840, and had moved on to near Chicago by mid 1840's. > >Would they have taken the Erie Canal as part of their trip from NY to IL??? Black Brook is about 20 miles west of Lake Champlain. They could have gone to the lake, somewhere near Port Kent, and found a boat southbound to the Champlain Canal. This connected to the Erie Canal at Waterford, NY, just north of Albany. The Erie Canal was the great migration route west, terminating in Buffalo, where one could find lake steamers west through the Great Lakes. There were very few rails in the mid 1840s. George ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Linda, that is a great story! how interesting, thanks for sharing. I believe that buried somewhere else in this family's history is a reference to stopping in Chicago on the way to their new home (which was NW of there). isn't this fun??? Thanks!!! Carol ----- Original Message ---- From: Linda Lathrop <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:55:36 AM Subject: [NYERIE] From Buffalo to Chicago Hi Carol, I read in my gggrandfather's daughter's obituary that she was in Buffalo, NY and traveled to Chicago, IL by canal boat. This was in 1871. I am assuming she went through the Lake Erie and then across land to Chicago or through Lake Erie, then up through Lake Huron and then down into Lake Michigan. Seems a long way by canalboat. But, I guess crossing overland by wagon from Toledo OH to Chicago, IL must have taken quite some time also. Then she got there and right after her wedding the Great Fire occured. Poor Alice. Linda Hooker Lathrop ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Stevens To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo this may NOT be the place to ask this question, but, seems that a number of members know quite a bit about the Erie Canal, and this exchange got me to thinking/questioning. Maybe some one could help me, or point me in the correct direction. Ancestors lived near Lake Placid (Black Brook, actually), Clinton County, by 1840, and had moved on to near Chicago by mid 1840's. Would they have taken the Erie Canal as part of their trip from NY to IL??? Thanks for your opinions. Cheers, ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

If I had the circumstances to return to the Township of Tonawanda, I would buy such a house to live in and make the necessary repairs and improvements that would make it comfortable. Then I would search the attic to see if walls do talk to find out who lived there and search their family history. Is it not legal to purchase an auctioned house in Erie County? On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> wrote: > Veering off topic again, I see. > > Sorry, gotta jump in. Not that you were considering doing this > but I have to post a warning in case anyone else was. Buying > Buffalo houses at online auctions and promptly reselling them at > higher prices without making any improvements is a fraudulent > practice called flipping. It has destructive consequences for > the surrounding neighborhoods. There is a made-in-Buffalo > documentary about it: > > http://flippedmovie.com/news.php > > There is also a task force charged with halting it. See: > > http://www.buffaloflipping.com/ > > Apologies for being lecturesome. We now return to our regularly > scheduled genealogical programming. > > --- zona himmelsbach <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What is the name of your relative in Erie County who bought an > > auctioned > > house? > > > > Look what I found on a google search > > http://www.bid4assets.com/auction/index.cfm?auctionID=373537 > > > > zh > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com <http://www.buffaloresearch.com/> > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is > dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises > daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city > generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carol, I read in my gggrandfather's daughter's obituary that she was in Buffalo, NY and traveled to Chicago, IL by canal boat. This was in 1871. I am assuming she went through the Lake Erie and then across land to Chicago or through Lake Erie, then up through Lake Huron and then down into Lake Michigan. Seems a long way by canalboat. But, I guess crossing overland by wagon from Toledo OH to Chicago, IL must have taken quite some time also. Then she got there and right after her wedding the Great Fire occured. Poor Alice. Linda Hooker Lathrop ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Stevens To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo this may NOT be the place to ask this question, but, seems that a number of members know quite a bit about the Erie Canal, and this exchange got me to thinking/questioning. Maybe some one could help me, or point me in the correct direction. Ancestors lived near Lake Placid (Black Brook, actually), Clinton County, by 1840, and had moved on to near Chicago by mid 1840's. Would they have taken the Erie Canal as part of their trip from NY to IL??? Thanks for your opinions. Cheers,

St Francis Xavier RC Church is located at 157 East St. (near Amherst St.). It was established in 1849 when Black Rock was a separate community. I have a friend who has family buried in the cemetery which was associated with the parish. If more info is needed on the cemetery, I will contact my friend to get the information as the cemetery is no longer being used for burials. You can obtain information on the Buffalo Diocese at www.buffalodiocese.org Kay

>this may NOT be the place to ask this question, but, seems that a >number of members know quite a bit about the Erie Canal, and this >exchange got me to thinking/questioning. > >Maybe some one could help me, or point me in the correct direction. > >Ancestors lived near Lake Placid (Black Brook, actually), Clinton >County, by 1840, and had moved on to near Chicago by mid 1840's. > >Would they have taken the Erie Canal as part of their trip from NY to IL??? Black Brook is about 20 miles west of Lake Champlain. They could have gone to the lake, somewhere near Port Kent, and found a boat southbound to the Champlain Canal. This connected to the Erie Canal at Waterford, NY, just north of Albany. The Erie Canal was the great migration route west, terminating in Buffalo, where one could find lake steamers west through the Great Lakes. There were very few rails in the mid 1840s. George

Absolutely! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Stevens Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo this may NOT be the place to ask this question, but, seems that a number of members know quite a bit about the Erie Canal, and this exchange got me to thinking/questioning. Maybe some one could help me, or point me in the correct direction. Ancestors lived near Lake Placid (Black Brook, actually), Clinton County, by 1840, and had moved on to near Chicago by mid 1840's. Would they have taken the Erie Canal as part of their trip from NY to IL??? Thanks for your opinions. Cheers, ----- Original Message ---- From: Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:05:53 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo Sheesh! Didn't you ever learn the Erie Canal song as a child? "I've got a mule, her name is Sal, 15 miles on the Erie Canal She's a good old worker and a good old pal, 15 miles on the Erie Canal We've hauled some barges in our day filled with lumber, coal and hay And we know every inch of the way from Albany to Buffalo." The Erie Canal *never* ended in Black Rock. New York State awarded Buffalo the terminus of the Erie Canal in 1821 (or threabouts) and Buffalo possessed it until the State officially abandoned the section of the canal south of Tonawanda, ca. World War I. That former canal bed is now the Niagara section of the NY State Thruway. This 1849 map shows the Erie Canal extending all the way into downtown Buffalo. Downtown Buffalo, of course, is where it is because of how the Erie Canal terminus concentrated commerce, transportation, manufacturing, people, jobs, and investment in one place. http://www.archivaria.com/GdDhistory/Buffalo1849.jpg The Erie Canal terminus is why Buffalo exploded in size and power and eventually annexed Black Rock. Had the canal ended in Black Rock, the reverse would have occurred and we'd all be puzzling over why the great city of Black Rock has this odd little neighborhood called Buffalo. --- Gary & Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > Grace - Back in 1840 travelers (immigrants) from Europe > oftened landed in > New York City and traveled up the Hudson River to a point > where they then > transferred to the Erie Barge Cannel. They Cannel ended at > Black Rock, which > was a small community just North of Buffalo. From there the > immigrants > traveled by other means to Canada, or US states west of > Buffalo. - Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Grace Mather > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > Your posting caught my eye because of the mention of Black > Rock. My > great-great grandmother emigrated from Ireland to Canada in > 1840 but the > boat landed at Black Rock which I can't figure out. Do you > know anything > from long ago about the area. I wonder why the ship went to > NY and if > passengers were then ferried across the lake and if so why. > Was there no > port in Ontario large enough for the ships? > > Grace > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Brenzel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > > > Are you talking about St. Francis Xavier in Black Rock? > It's somewhat > > near > > River Road. > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Charles and Donna Hudson > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:17 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > > > My question is 'How many St. Francis Catholic Churches are > there in > > Buffalo?' > > > > I'm trying to find the St. Francis Catholic Church located > on River Road. > > Is this church closed? I believe I have some relatives > buried there by > > the > > name of Barbara and Joseph Ailinger and would like to find > out what the > > burial records/tombstones say about these two. > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > Donna Hudson > > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gary - That's an interesting piece of information. I wondered why or how they got to Black Rock - the St. Lawrence seaway wasn't built then but your way sounds logical. Imagine the immigration headaches that would occur nowadays with such a route! Grace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary & Betty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo > Grace - Back in 1840 travelers (immigrants) from Europe oftened landed in > New York City and traveled up the Hudson River to a point where they then > transferred to the Erie Barge Cannel. They Cannel ended at Black Rock, > which > was a small community just North of Buffalo. From there the immigrants > traveled by other means to Canada, or US states west of Buffalo. - Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Grace Mather > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo > > Your posting caught my eye because of the mention of Black Rock. My > great-great grandmother emigrated from Ireland to Canada in 1840 but the > boat landed at Black Rock which I can't figure out. Do you know anything > from long ago about the area. I wonder why the ship went to NY and if > passengers were then ferried across the lake and if so why. Was there no > port in Ontario large enough for the ships? > > Grace > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Brenzel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo > > >> Are you talking about St. Francis Xavier in Black Rock? It's somewhat >> near >> River Road. >> >> Mary >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Charles and Donna Hudson >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:17 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo >> >> My question is 'How many St. Francis Catholic Churches are there in >> Buffalo?' >> >> I'm trying to find the St. Francis Catholic Church located on River Road. >> Is this church closed? I believe I have some relatives buried there by >> the >> name of Barbara and Joseph Ailinger and would like to find out what the >> burial records/tombstones say about these two. >> >> Thanks for your help! >> >> Donna Hudson >> [email protected] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, the area is still called Black Rock, just like the neighborhood to the north is called Riverside. Black Rock was a village separate from the City of Buffalo but was absorbed by the city as mentioned earlier, I think by George. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grace Mather Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Black Rock area All I've been able to find so far is that it is now a part of the city of Buffalo. I didn't know the area was still called Black Rock these days. Grace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hudson family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: [NYERIE] Black Rock area > > All I know about the Black Rock area is that it was the area around the > St. > Francis church. It was just an area of the city - I thought it was in the > city of Buffalo but maybe just north of the city limits. > > Donna Hudson > [email protected] > > ---------------------------------------------- > Webmail is a member service offered by OIP.NET > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All I've been able to find so far is that it is now a part of the city of Buffalo. I didn't know the area was still called Black Rock these days. Grace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hudson family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: [NYERIE] Black Rock area > > All I know about the Black Rock area is that it was the area around the > St. > Francis church. It was just an area of the city - I thought it was in the > city of Buffalo but maybe just north of the city limits. > > Donna Hudson > [email protected] > > ---------------------------------------------- > Webmail is a member service offered by OIP.NET > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

OKKKKK, I have a family story (reviewing this all since my curiosity kicked in) that states: (the father of the family) "got two strong built canvas covered wagons, in which he loaded his goods and his family." Other portions of the story do in fact state that this family did travel the canal, here is a part of the story: "Driving down the state, the group of people reached the Erie Canal, where each family engaged one of the immigration boats to take them across the state of New York by the way of the Canal. The boats were large roomy flat-bottomed affairs with a cabin built in the center to shelter the passengers. The boats were large enough to accommodate a family and all their belongings, household goods, stock, poultry and whatever they saw fit to take with them..........The Canal was full of such boats.........It took more than a week to go the 300 miles across the state by the way of the Canal. At Buffalo New York, they embarked on a sailing vessel going down the coast of Lake Erie to a small town Cleveland, Ohio........" So, IF this story is right, he would have taken the wagons down to Albany?? Please correct me here, THANKS again! I guess, what I am asking of our Erie Canal experts here, does this recounting of the events of this family ring true?? I believe it is about 170 miles from Black Brook to Albany, and that is using todays super highways when possible. THANKS AGAIN!!! ----- Original Message ---- From: M. Brenzel <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:49:33 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo Absolutely! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol Stevens Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo this may NOT be the place to ask this question, but, seems that a number of members know quite a bit about the Erie Canal, and this exchange got me to thinking/questioning. Maybe some one could help me, or point me in the correct direction. Ancestors lived near Lake Placid (Black Brook, actually), Clinton County, by 1840, and had moved on to near Chicago by mid 1840's. Would they have taken the Erie Canal as part of their trip from NY to IL??? Thanks for your opinions. Cheers, ----- Original Message ---- From: Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:05:53 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo Sheesh! Didn't you ever learn the Erie Canal song as a child? "I've got a mule, her name is Sal, 15 miles on the Erie Canal She's a good old worker and a good old pal, 15 miles on the Erie Canal We've hauled some barges in our day filled with lumber, coal and hay And we know every inch of the way from Albany to Buffalo." The Erie Canal *never* ended in Black Rock. New York State awarded Buffalo the terminus of the Erie Canal in 1821 (or threabouts) and Buffalo possessed it until the State officially abandoned the section of the canal south of Tonawanda, ca. World War I. That former canal bed is now the Niagara section of the NY State Thruway. This 1849 map shows the Erie Canal extending all the way into downtown Buffalo. Downtown Buffalo, of course, is where it is because of how the Erie Canal terminus concentrated commerce, transportation, manufacturing, people, jobs, and investment in one place. http://www.archivaria.com/GdDhistory/Buffalo1849.jpg The Erie Canal terminus is why Buffalo exploded in size and power and eventually annexed Black Rock. Had the canal ended in Black Rock, the reverse would have occurred and we'd all be puzzling over why the great city of Black Rock has this odd little neighborhood called Buffalo. --- Gary & Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > Grace - Back in 1840 travelers (immigrants) from Europe > oftened landed in > New York City and traveled up the Hudson River to a point > where they then > transferred to the Erie Barge Cannel. They Cannel ended at > Black Rock, which > was a small community just North of Buffalo. From there the > immigrants > traveled by other means to Canada, or US states west of > Buffalo. - Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Grace Mather > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > Your posting caught my eye because of the mention of Black > Rock. My > great-great grandmother emigrated from Ireland to Canada in > 1840 but the > boat landed at Black Rock which I can't figure out. Do you > know anything > from long ago about the area. I wonder why the ship went to > NY and if > passengers were then ferried across the lake and if so why. > Was there no > port in Ontario large enough for the ships? > > Grace > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Brenzel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > > > Are you talking about St. Francis Xavier in Black Rock? > It's somewhat > > near > > River Road. > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Charles and Donna Hudson > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:17 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > > > My question is 'How many St. Francis Catholic Churches are > there in > > Buffalo?' > > > > I'm trying to find the St. Francis Catholic Church located > on River Road. > > Is this church closed? I believe I have some relatives > buried there by > > the > > name of Barbara and Joseph Ailinger and would like to find > out what the > > burial records/tombstones say about these two. > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > Donna Hudson > > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. 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In the 1840s? Most likely. Rail was still in its infancy then. --- Carol Stevens <[email protected]> wrote: > this may NOT be the place to ask this question, but, seems > that a number of members know quite a bit about the Erie > Canal, and this exchange got me to thinking/questioning. > > Maybe some one could help me, or point me in the correct > direction. > > Ancestors lived near Lake Placid (Black Brook, actually), > Clinton County, by 1840, and had moved on to near Chicago by > mid 1840's. > > Would they have taken the Erie Canal as part of their trip > from NY to IL??? > > Thanks for your opinions. > > Cheers, > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:05:53 PM > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > Sheesh! Didn't you ever learn the Erie Canal song as a child? > > "I've got a mule, her name is Sal, > 15 miles on the Erie Canal > She's a good old worker and a good old pal, > 15 miles on the Erie Canal > > We've hauled some barges in our day > filled with lumber, coal and hay > And we know every inch of the way from > Albany to Buffalo." > > The Erie Canal *never* ended in Black Rock. New York State > awarded Buffalo the terminus of the Erie Canal in 1821 (or > threabouts) and Buffalo possessed it until the State > officially > abandoned the section of the canal south of Tonawanda, ca. > World > War I. That former canal bed is now the Niagara section of > the > NY State Thruway. > > This 1849 map shows the Erie Canal extending all the way into > downtown Buffalo. Downtown Buffalo, of course, is where it is > because of how the Erie Canal terminus concentrated commerce, > transportation, manufacturing, people, jobs, and investment in > one place. > > http://www.archivaria.com/GdDhistory/Buffalo1849.jpg > > The Erie Canal terminus is why Buffalo exploded in size and > power and eventually annexed Black Rock. Had the canal ended > in > Black Rock, the reverse would have occurred and we'd all be > puzzling over why the great city of Black Rock has this odd > little neighborhood called Buffalo. > > --- Gary & Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Grace - Back in 1840 travelers (immigrants) from Europe > > oftened landed in > > New York City and traveled up the Hudson River to a point > > where they then > > transferred to the Erie Barge Cannel. They Cannel ended at > > Black Rock, which > > was a small community just North of Buffalo. From there the > > immigrants > > traveled by other means to Canada, or US states west of > > Buffalo. - Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Grace Mather > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:31 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > > Buffalo > > > > Your posting caught my eye because of the mention of Black > > Rock. My > > great-great grandmother emigrated from Ireland to Canada in > > 1840 but the > > boat landed at Black Rock which I can't figure out. Do you > > know anything > > from long ago about the area. I wonder why the ship went to > > NY and if > > passengers were then ferried across the lake and if so why. > > Was there no > > port in Ontario large enough for the ships? > > > > Grace > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M. Brenzel" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > > Buffalo > > > > > > > Are you talking about St. Francis Xavier in Black Rock? > > It's somewhat > > > near > > > River Road. > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > Behalf Of Charles and Donna Hudson > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:17 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > > Buffalo > > > > > > My question is 'How many St. Francis Catholic Churches are > > there in > > > Buffalo?' > > > > > > I'm trying to find the St. Francis Catholic Church located > > on River Road. > > > Is this church closed? I believe I have some relatives > > buried there by > > > the > > > name of Barbara and Joseph Ailinger and would like to find > > out what the > > > burial records/tombstones say about these two. > > > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > > > Donna Hudson > > > [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes > > > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city > living. 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this may NOT be the place to ask this question, but, seems that a number of members know quite a bit about the Erie Canal, and this exchange got me to thinking/questioning. Maybe some one could help me, or point me in the correct direction. Ancestors lived near Lake Placid (Black Brook, actually), Clinton County, by 1840, and had moved on to near Chicago by mid 1840's. Would they have taken the Erie Canal as part of their trip from NY to IL??? Thanks for your opinions. Cheers, ----- Original Message ---- From: Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:05:53 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo Sheesh! Didn't you ever learn the Erie Canal song as a child? "I've got a mule, her name is Sal, 15 miles on the Erie Canal She's a good old worker and a good old pal, 15 miles on the Erie Canal We've hauled some barges in our day filled with lumber, coal and hay And we know every inch of the way from Albany to Buffalo." The Erie Canal *never* ended in Black Rock. New York State awarded Buffalo the terminus of the Erie Canal in 1821 (or threabouts) and Buffalo possessed it until the State officially abandoned the section of the canal south of Tonawanda, ca. World War I. That former canal bed is now the Niagara section of the NY State Thruway. This 1849 map shows the Erie Canal extending all the way into downtown Buffalo. Downtown Buffalo, of course, is where it is because of how the Erie Canal terminus concentrated commerce, transportation, manufacturing, people, jobs, and investment in one place. http://www.archivaria.com/GdDhistory/Buffalo1849.jpg The Erie Canal terminus is why Buffalo exploded in size and power and eventually annexed Black Rock. Had the canal ended in Black Rock, the reverse would have occurred and we'd all be puzzling over why the great city of Black Rock has this odd little neighborhood called Buffalo. --- Gary & Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > Grace - Back in 1840 travelers (immigrants) from Europe > oftened landed in > New York City and traveled up the Hudson River to a point > where they then > transferred to the Erie Barge Cannel. They Cannel ended at > Black Rock, which > was a small community just North of Buffalo. From there the > immigrants > traveled by other means to Canada, or US states west of > Buffalo. - Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Grace Mather > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > Your posting caught my eye because of the mention of Black > Rock. My > great-great grandmother emigrated from Ireland to Canada in > 1840 but the > boat landed at Black Rock which I can't figure out. Do you > know anything > from long ago about the area. I wonder why the ship went to > NY and if > passengers were then ferried across the lake and if so why. > Was there no > port in Ontario large enough for the ships? > > Grace > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Brenzel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > > > Are you talking about St. Francis Xavier in Black Rock? > It's somewhat > > near > > River Road. > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Charles and Donna Hudson > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:17 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > > > My question is 'How many St. Francis Catholic Churches are > there in > > Buffalo?' > > > > I'm trying to find the St. Francis Catholic Church located > on River Road. > > Is this church closed? I believe I have some relatives > buried there by > > the > > name of Barbara and Joseph Ailinger and would like to find > out what the > > burial records/tombstones say about these two. > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > Donna Hudson > > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. 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George is correct. The Erie canal was never wide or deep enough to accomodate ocean-going vessels. Today the St. Lawrence Seaway provides that function. Your grandmother would have experienced what we now call intermodal transportation: ocean ship to rail or canal barge to Black Rock. --- George Richmond <[email protected]> wrote: > >Your posting caught my eye because of the mention of Black > Rock. My > >great-great grandmother emigrated from Ireland to Canada in > 1840 but the > >boat landed at Black Rock which I can't figure out. Do you > know anything > >from long ago about the area. I wonder why the ship went to > NY and if > >passengers were then ferried across the lake and if so why. > Was there no > >port in Ontario large enough for the ships? > > > >Grace > > This is quite strange. It is impossible to sail from Ireland > to Black > Rock without going through a great deal of Canadian territory. > > What is more likely is that she sailed to New York, then used > the > Erie Canal to cross NY, disembarking from the canal boat at > Black > Rock, where there was a ferry to Canada. > > George > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

Sheesh! Didn't you ever learn the Erie Canal song as a child? "I've got a mule, her name is Sal, 15 miles on the Erie Canal She's a good old worker and a good old pal, 15 miles on the Erie Canal We've hauled some barges in our day filled with lumber, coal and hay And we know every inch of the way from Albany to Buffalo." The Erie Canal *never* ended in Black Rock. New York State awarded Buffalo the terminus of the Erie Canal in 1821 (or threabouts) and Buffalo possessed it until the State officially abandoned the section of the canal south of Tonawanda, ca. World War I. That former canal bed is now the Niagara section of the NY State Thruway. This 1849 map shows the Erie Canal extending all the way into downtown Buffalo. Downtown Buffalo, of course, is where it is because of how the Erie Canal terminus concentrated commerce, transportation, manufacturing, people, jobs, and investment in one place. http://www.archivaria.com/GdDhistory/Buffalo1849.jpg The Erie Canal terminus is why Buffalo exploded in size and power and eventually annexed Black Rock. Had the canal ended in Black Rock, the reverse would have occurred and we'd all be puzzling over why the great city of Black Rock has this odd little neighborhood called Buffalo. --- Gary & Betty <[email protected]> wrote: > Grace - Back in 1840 travelers (immigrants) from Europe > oftened landed in > New York City and traveled up the Hudson River to a point > where they then > transferred to the Erie Barge Cannel. They Cannel ended at > Black Rock, which > was a small community just North of Buffalo. From there the > immigrants > traveled by other means to Canada, or US states west of > Buffalo. - Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Grace Mather > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > Your posting caught my eye because of the mention of Black > Rock. My > great-great grandmother emigrated from Ireland to Canada in > 1840 but the > boat landed at Black Rock which I can't figure out. Do you > know anything > from long ago about the area. I wonder why the ship went to > NY and if > passengers were then ferried across the lake and if so why. > Was there no > port in Ontario large enough for the ships? > > Grace > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Brenzel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > > > Are you talking about St. Francis Xavier in Black Rock? > It's somewhat > > near > > River Road. > > > > Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Charles and Donna Hudson > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:17 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in > Buffalo > > > > My question is 'How many St. Francis Catholic Churches are > there in > > Buffalo?' > > > > I'm trying to find the St. Francis Catholic Church located > on River Road. > > Is this church closed? I believe I have some relatives > buried there by > > the > > name of Barbara and Joseph Ailinger and would like to find > out what the > > burial records/tombstones say about these two. > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > Donna Hudson > > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

In addition to the Wikipedia article, there's a great page o' Black Rock links here: http://ah.bfn.org/h/br/tc.html --- George Richmond <[email protected]> wrote: > >All I know about the Black Rock area is that it was the area > around the St. > >Francis church. It was just an area of the city - I thought > it was in the > >city of Buffalo but maybe just north of the city limits. > > Black Rock started as a community separate from Buffalo, along > the > Niagara River. In 1853 it was joined with Buffalo, and is now > a > neighborhood of the city. For more detail see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rock%2C_New_York > > George > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

>All I know about the Black Rock area is that it was the area around the St. >Francis church. It was just an area of the city - I thought it was in the >city of Buffalo but maybe just north of the city limits. Black Rock started as a community separate from Buffalo, along the Niagara River. In 1853 it was joined with Buffalo, and is now a neighborhood of the city. For more detail see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rock%2C_New_York George

Grace - Back in 1840 travelers (immigrants) from Europe oftened landed in New York City and traveled up the Hudson River to a point where they then transferred to the Erie Barge Cannel. They Cannel ended at Black Rock, which was a small community just North of Buffalo. From there the immigrants traveled by other means to Canada, or US states west of Buffalo. - Gary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grace Mather Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo Your posting caught my eye because of the mention of Black Rock. My great-great grandmother emigrated from Ireland to Canada in 1840 but the boat landed at Black Rock which I can't figure out. Do you know anything from long ago about the area. I wonder why the ship went to NY and if passengers were then ferried across the lake and if so why. Was there no port in Ontario large enough for the ships? Grace ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Brenzel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo > Are you talking about St. Francis Xavier in Black Rock? It's somewhat > near > River Road. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Charles and Donna Hudson > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo > > My question is 'How many St. Francis Catholic Churches are there in > Buffalo?' > > I'm trying to find the St. Francis Catholic Church located on River Road. > Is this church closed? I believe I have some relatives buried there by > the > name of Barbara and Joseph Ailinger and would like to find out what the > burial records/tombstones say about these two. > > Thanks for your help! > > Donna Hudson > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>Your posting caught my eye because of the mention of Black Rock. My >great-great grandmother emigrated from Ireland to Canada in 1840 but the >boat landed at Black Rock which I can't figure out. Do you know anything >from long ago about the area. I wonder why the ship went to NY and if >passengers were then ferried across the lake and if so why. Was there no >port in Ontario large enough for the ships? > >Grace This is quite strange. It is impossible to sail from Ireland to Black Rock without going through a great deal of Canadian territory. What is more likely is that she sailed to New York, then used the Erie Canal to cross NY, disembarking from the canal boat at Black Rock, where there was a ferry to Canada. George