Hi .. Thank you .. I just found him this afternoon , also found his wife Elizabeth ( another Elizabeth to add ) .. I am goning to order the Original SS application tonight for the both of them ,so now I have a good strong lead to follow ..I looked in _www.PeopleFinders.Com_ (http://www.PeopleFinders.Com) . They have Louis & Elizabeth Hilburger in Akron NY with a possible age 101 .. with no possible Relatives , so I will look for a obit for the two of them to get more leads or a end of the line if they had no children .. I also looked in _WWW.missingmoney.com_ (http://www.missingmoney.com) .. there is money in New York State Government web site waiting to be claimed for Elizabeth Hilburger in Akron NY ..This is becoming interesting .. Thanks again Paul **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

FYI - My great-grandfather Ludwig Wieder changed him name to Louis Wieder after he immigrated. I found a Louis Hilburger, b 26 Jul 1906, d Oct 1985, last residence Akron, Erie, NY in the Social Security Death Records. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] information 90 Catherine St Williamsville NY / I madea very Bad... Well interesting thing , just got a reply in the ROOTS Erie Board in the 1930 we found a Lewis Hilberger at 393 Minnesota Ave as a boarder and working at a Aero Factory ... Now i have searched & searched for this guy and never get even a soundex hit , wonder why ?????.. Then Ludwig/Lewis Hilburger Might be the one at 90 Catherine St in 1947 . My dads cousin remembers someone well to do in the Family that worked for BellAerospace and from what i remember of that area Catherine St Williamsville/Amherest area would fit the bill .. so looks like i have more home work to do .. Thank you again Paul **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could someone tell me AGAIN the name of the search site that was recently mentioned? I used it, it was great, but can't seem to find it again after looking in my "in box", "trash" and "history". It had a funny name, was running at one time, taken off, it's back up and running with thousands of new links. I have no clue what I did with it. Thanks

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Well interesting thing , just got a reply in the ROOTS Erie Board in the 1930 we found a Lewis Hilberger at 393 Minnesota Ave as a boarder and working at a Aero Factory ... Now i have searched & searched for this guy and never get even a soundex hit , wonder why ?????.. Then Ludwig/Lewis Hilburger Might be the one at 90 Catherine St in 1947 . My dads cousin remembers someone well to do in the Family that worked for BellAerospace and from what i remember of that area Catherine St Williamsville/Amherest area would fit the bill .. so looks like i have more home work to do .. Thank you again Paul **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

SO SORRY !!! . I had gotten a reply on the ROOTS ERIE Board From Sheila who had means to look further for me on this street address and i still have no clues of a connection with information she gave me .. So I went back and doubled check my information , and i discovered i made a very bad mistake on the Year ..its 1947 and not 1957 .. I think i am trying to hard on this one . This is what i am looking for .. I have a Ludwig Hilburger age 17 born about 1907 arriving in 1924 in Boston Ma , He indicates that he is going to see his Uncle George Hilburger on Schuele St Buffalo NY, who is my Great Grandfather . The nephew Ludwig indicates that his dad also Named Ludwig Hilburger lives in Neunburg Germany . I can not find Ludwig (nephew) anywhere in 1930 and after .. Then i find a Ludwig Hilburger age 60 , with Wife Anna in ship records in 1947 . indicating they are going to 90 Catherine St Williamsville NY . ( in pencil marked SON-Ludwig ) next to the address ,, so iam suspecting that Ludwig in 1947 is some how connected to the Ludwig in 1924 . ,.. My George Hilburger was born in 1850 , so that's a big year span for Ludwig (1947) 60 years old born about 1887 to be the brother of my George Hilburger 1850 , But it could work when you do the math with George's parents ..Anything is possible .. So in a nut shell .. I am looking for 1947 and Not 1957 for 90 Catherine St Williamsville NY . Tax records show the house being built around 1943, so if anyone has a old directory for that area at home or even for any years within the time frame in Buffalo NY handy at Home for a Ludwig Hilburger 1930 and after it would be great , if not, ill call next week for the correct year to see if they can give that information on that address or wait till my next trip to Buffalo for the directories .. Sorry for the mistake and thank you for the help... Paul - Sunny in Atlanta , Cherry trees in full bloom **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

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thanks will look into it ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary & Betty<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Street maps of East Aurora 1917-1920 There is a document published by the Aurora Historical Society titled "Rambles through Aurora" which contains a map from the 1909 atlas. It shows (if I read it correctly) that there is a property owned by an RT Barnett on Main Street one building west of Pine Street. - Gary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CHARLES SIMONS Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:30 AM To: buffalo Subject: [NYERIE] Street maps of East Aurora 1917-1920 wonder if anyone has come across street maps of East Aurora for 1917-1920.. my grandfather had a bakery in EA at that time, and from the EA newspaper I have copy of his ads, but they just say Barnett Block etc.. I was in the EA Historical Society (only open afternoon a week) as that is where we found the ads.. but no street maps for that time period. chuck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> http://oldfortyfives.com/TakeMeBackToTheFifties.htm

There's this atlas, too: http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/Browse_Atlases/ViewAtlasPlatesUS-6872-NY.htm --- CHARLES SIMONS <[email protected]> wrote: > thanks will look into it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary & Betty<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Street maps of East Aurora 1917-1920 > > > There is a document published by the Aurora Historical > Society titled > "Rambles through Aurora" which contains a map from the 1909 > atlas. It shows > (if I read it correctly) that there is a property owned by > an RT Barnett on > Main Street one building west of Pine Street. - Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of CHARLES SIMONS > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:30 AM > To: buffalo > Subject: [NYERIE] Street maps of East Aurora 1917-1920 > > wonder if anyone has come across street maps of East Aurora > for 1917-1920.. > > my grandfather had a bakery in EA at that time, and from the > EA newspaper I > have copy of his ads, but they just say Barnett Block etc.. > > I was in the EA Historical Society (only open afternoon a > week) as that is > where we found the ads.. but no street maps for that time > period. > > chuck > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

I certainly would be interested to hear move on the subject. Ruth At 05:39 AM 2/27/2008 -0800, you wrote: >again, finding this discussion interesting, and makes me go looking. Found >this web page with some interesting dates for early railroads: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_railroads_in_North_America Part of >what I find intesesting, is that I have knowledge of RR in Michigan during >that time frame, NOT much knowledge, I in no way profess to having a lot, >just a tidbit or two, which, haha, can get me in trouble. In Lenawee >County, Michigan where I live, there is a boulder with a brass marker >right behind the old courthouse, if you are not paying attention, it just >kinda sinks into the landscape, because of where it rests. BUT, if you >stop and read it you will find the inscription to read: "THIS BOULDER >Marks the Terminal of the ERIE and KALAMAZOO R.R. The first railroad in >the West The first train Reached Adrian from Toledo NOV 2, 1836 Erected by >the Adrian Woman¢s Club 1911" I guess I am gonna be doing a bit more >research on transportation in this time frame. So little time, so much >fun! thanks to all that responded to prior questions. Carol ----- Original >Message ---- From: George Richmond <[email protected]> To: >[email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:02:26 PM Subject: >Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo >this may NOT be >the place to ask this question, but, seems that a >number of members know >quite a bit about the Erie Canal, and this >exchange got me to >thinking/questioning. > >Maybe some one could help me, or point me in the >correct direction. > >Ancestors lived near Lake Placid (Black Brook, >actually), Clinton >County, by 1840, and had moved on to near Chicago by >mid 1840's. > >Would they have taken the Erie Canal as part of their trip >from NY to IL??? Black Brook is about 20 miles west of Lake Champlain. >They could have gone to the lake, somewhere near Port Kent, and found a >boat southbound to the Champlain Canal. This connected to the Erie Canal >at Waterford, NY, just north of Albany. The Erie Canal was the great >migration route west, terminating in Buffalo, where one could find lake >steamers west through the Great Lakes. There were very few rails in the >mid 1840s. George ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the >list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >Search. >http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send >an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well George, I wasn't there so I don't know if it is true or not. But that is what is written in the obituary. As I suggested perhaps she traveled that way through Lake Erie and then across land to Chicago. I wish I could ask her but I am just repeating what is written which as we all know is open to speculation. Thanks for your comment. Linda Hooker Lathrop ----- Original Message ----- From: George Richmond To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] From Buffalo to Chicago >Hi Carol, >I read in my gggrandfather's daughter's obituary that she was in >Buffalo, NY and traveled to Chicago, IL by canal boat. >This was in 1871. >I am assuming she went through the Lake Erie and then across land to >Chicago or through Lake Erie, then up through Lake >Huron and then down into Lake Michigan. Seems a long way by >canalboat. But, I guess crossing overland by wagon from >Toledo OH to Chicago, IL must have taken quite some time also. There is absolutely no way that she traveled from Buffalo to Chicago on a canal boat. The Great Lakes are small seas. And canal boats were propelled by mules or horses walking along a tow path. What you describe would be like taking a canoe across the Atlantic! In the 1870s there were many steam powered vessels plying the Great Lakes. George ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Michael Eliasz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:57 AM Subject: [NYERIE] Erie Canal to Buffalo / Steamships to the rest of theGreat Lakes > > The Erie Canal boats just got the traveller from Lake Ontario to the > UPPER Great Lakes (in particular Lake Erie). > If I remember correctly, not having lived in Buffalo/New York State for 25+years, the Erie Canal ran the length of the state. I believe that it's point of origin is somewhere around Albany but I'm not positive. I'm pretty sure that it ran from the Hudson River to Buffalo/Lake Erie. Perhaps you are thinking of the Welland Canal in Ontario, Canada. This canal bypasses Niagara Falls enabling ships to come from the St. Lawrence Seaway into the Great Lakes. The Welland Canal and the St. Lawrence Seaway were a major reason Buffalo declined as a port, and a railroad center, since merchandise/consumables/etc no longer had to be changed from lake freighters to trains or vice-versa. I remember back in the 50's and 60's the grain elevators along the Buffalo (??) River were heavily used but the trans-shipping started to decline in the 60's when the St. Lawrence Seaway opened. I will admit that, at the time, I thought this combination was wonderful, especially when a British Frigate visited Buffalo in the late 50's. We were on our way to see it and dad picked up a couple of the British sailors somewhere along Main Street and gave them a lift back to their ship. At the time, the US Navy had destroyers and destroyer escorts and I had a hard time understanding what a Frigate was. (Not to say anything about hearing the cockney accent for the first time!! LOL). Had I known what would transpire in Buffalo since, I have to wish that the St. Lawrence Seaway had never been built. But then isn't hindsight always 20-20? Bob Hoover a-Buffalo-expatriate-but-still-a-Bills-fan!!!! ps. my keyboard is very happy to see the end of the threads about beef on weck and sponge candy. It thought I was drooling too much as I read them!!! LOL pps. Horatio Hornblower has taught me about Frigates! LOL

Z, Problem here is out of town slum lords buy 20 houses at a time at auction with intention of flipping them to some unsuspecting buyer in another city. The houses don't sell and become boarded up crack houses that eventially blight the rest of neighborhood or someone sets on fire and then a firefighter or neighbor gets burned in fire. They attract rats, smell bad in warm weather and hurt the value of the homes that decent people live in and maintain. Kevin ---- zona himmelsbach <[email protected]> wrote: ============= If I had the circumstances to return to the Township of Tonawanda, I would buy such a house to live in and make the necessary repairs and improvements that would make it comfortable. Then I would search the attic to see if walls do talk to find out who lived there and search their family history. Is it not legal to purchase an auctioned house in Erie County? On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> wrote: > Veering off topic again, I see. > > Sorry, gotta jump in. Not that you were considering doing this > but I have to post a warning in case anyone else was. Buying > Buffalo houses at online auctions and promptly reselling them at > higher prices without making any improvements is a fraudulent > practice called flipping. It has destructive consequences for > the surrounding neighborhoods. There is a made-in-Buffalo > documentary about it: > > http://flippedmovie.com/news.php > > There is also a task force charged with halting it. See: > > http://www.buffaloflipping.com/ > > Apologies for being lecturesome. We now return to our regularly > scheduled genealogical programming. > > --- zona himmelsbach <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What is the name of your relative in Erie County who bought an > > auctioned > > house? > > > > Look what I found on a google search > > http://www.bid4assets.com/auction/index.cfm?auctionID=373537 > > > > zh > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com <http://www.buffaloresearch.com/> > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is > dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises > daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city > generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello there, I was wondering if anyone can help me out here. I am sorry but I do not have a lot of information to go by. I am hoping maybe somebody can point me in the right direction. I was able to find an obituary in the Dunville paper that has given me some clues on where the GARRICKS and WILSONS resided. Obituary of JESSIE EMILY LARDEN FATHERS widow of ALONZO B. CULP Taken from the Dunnville Newspaper dated Dec. 31, 1937 The funeral of Mrs. Jessie Larden Culp, who passed away in Hamilton, was held from the funeral parlours at Selkirk, to Sweet's Corners Cemetery, on Friday, with Rev. Thomas Gray conducting the service. She was born in South Cayuga May 7, 1862. In 1881, she married Alonzo B. Culp and resided at Rainham Centre for most of her life. Her husband predeceased her 3 years ago. Left to mourn her loss are one son, Otis, of Selkirk, five daughters - Mrs. Ernest Dunford, Toronto, Mrs. Verne Garrick, Mrs. Fred Wilson, Buffalo, N.Y., Mrs. R.J. Hiscox, Brampton, Mrs Orvil Almas, Hamilton, and one sister, Miss Mary Larden Dunnville. GARRICK ------- I am unclear which one of the daughters married Verne Garrick. However according to the obituary she resided in Buffalo till 1977 because she is still included in an obituary of her brother Otis. CULP, Otis, of Hamilton, at Hamilton General Hospital, on November 20, 1977. Survived by his wife, Nellie Fehrman. Father of Kenneth of London and Earl of Hamilton, 6 grandchildren and 3 great grandchildren. Brother of Mrs. Nettie Garrick of Buffalo. Services at Hyde & Mott Funeral Home, Hagersville. Interment at Selkirk Union Cemetery. It is possible Verne may have married Netta Bella Culp born September 14, 1888 who is the daughter of Alonzo & Jessie Culp of Sweets Corner Rainham Township, Haldimand County, Ontario, Canada. However, I am not positive. Did the couple even have any children? WILSON ------ I am unclear which one of the CULP daughters Fred Wilson would have married. Did the couple even have children? However I know the couple resided in Buffalo, New York the time the obit was wrote in 1937. I am hoping that there may be families researching these two lines which would indeed fill in many blanks I have thus far. Any information you can provide would be of great interest to me and help tremendously with my CULP research. Thank you in advance. Warmest Regards, Kevin Culp

>Hi Carol, >I read in my gggrandfather's daughter's obituary that she was in >Buffalo, NY and traveled to Chicago, IL by canal boat. >This was in 1871. >I am assuming she went through the Lake Erie and then across land to >Chicago or through Lake Erie, then up through Lake >Huron and then down into Lake Michigan. Seems a long way by >canalboat. But, I guess crossing overland by wagon from >Toledo OH to Chicago, IL must have taken quite some time also. There is absolutely no way that she traveled from Buffalo to Chicago on a canal boat. The Great Lakes are small seas. And canal boats were propelled by mules or horses walking along a tow path. What you describe would be like taking a canoe across the Atlantic! In the 1870s there were many steam powered vessels plying the Great Lakes. George

That does make more sense. I couldn't figure out the logistics either but that was the story handed down by 4 generations. Guess they skipped over what she'd gone through to get to Black Rock. I appreciate all of the input on this question. Grace ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Richmond" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] St. Francis Church on River Road in Buffalo > >Your posting caught my eye because of the mention of Black Rock. My >>great-great grandmother emigrated from Ireland to Canada in 1840 but the >>boat landed at Black Rock which I can't figure out. Do you know anything >>from long ago about the area. I wonder why the ship went to NY and if >>passengers were then ferried across the lake and if so why. Was there no >>port in Ontario large enough for the ships? >> >>Grace > > This is quite strange. It is impossible to sail from Ireland to Black > Rock without going through a great deal of Canadian territory. > > What is more likely is that she sailed to New York, then used the > Erie Canal to cross NY, disembarking from the canal boat at Black > Rock, where there was a ferry to Canada. > > George > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been meaning to chime in. The Erie Canal boats just got the traveller from Lake Ontario to the UPPER Great Lakes (in particular Lake Erie). Once on Lake Erie, they would take the Steamships from Buffalo to go to: Crystal Beach ?? Dunkirk Erie ?? Cleveland, OH Toledo, OH Detroit, MI Mackinac, MI (possibly Port Huron, MI too) Milwaukee, WI Chicago, IL and Duluth, MN (via Sault St Marie locks to get to Lake Superior) They would not take canal boats, they would take Steamships. There is a nice map from one of the recent map links (Erie County) posted here that shows a map entitled 1904 NYCRR Buffalo that shows the railroad lines (and steam lines) and where in Buffalo the steamships embarked from. I am not a native Buffalonian, I am a Michigander (in Philadelphia) whose ancestors used the Railroads and Steamships to get to Toledo, OH and Detroit, MI from Buffalo, NY. --mike

--- zona himmelsbach <[email protected]> wrote: > Is it not legal to purchase an auctioned house in Erie County? Yes, it is legal to buy a house by auction but not necessarily wise. Online sellers misrepresent properties all the time to "investors" who never set foot here. That is part of the problem. At the risk of repeating myself, what people may go after you for is buying and promptly reselling at an inflated price without bringing the property up to code. This is my last word on the subject. For the benefit of those who wish to use this list for its intended purpose, please take the discussion of flipping elsewhere. Here's one suitable place: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BfloIssueAlerts/ *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)