To Bill Wiler, and others that are discussing this on the Erie County mail list: The rules and regulations from library to library are different throughout the state. There is still hope. OCPL in Syracuse has always had strong rules regarding the use of the materials in Local/History Genealogy. This was done primarily to protect these scarce and sometimes unique items. In that regard, most libraries are the same, with a very few exceptions. However, as people from out of the area came to Syracuse to do research, no matter which state they are from, have always been able to go right to the registration desk in Syracuse and obtain a Library Card by showing proper ID, after which that person was accorded all the same use as if they were residents. As a matter of fact there is no way for out of towners to even view certain parts of the LH/G collections without applying for that card, which is obtainable while you wait. The only thing is that you do have to go there in person. Once you have their card you can then also use their online digital databases and all resources. Now this most recent flurry of activity regarding access to the NYS Vital Records microfiche indexes informs us that Syracuse will do the look-ups on the VR indexes for Births, Deaths and Marriages, whether or not you have a library card. Hope this helps. Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy www.unyg.com On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Bill Wiler <[email protected]> wrote: > Cynthia, > Thank you very much. The Librarian just told me she could not > help me. > Bill > > > > Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> > Sent by: [email protected] > 03/12/2008 07:23 AM > Please respond to > [email protected] > > > To > [email protected] > cc > > Subject > Re: [NYERIE] Update to NYS Vital Records Indexes - Free Look Ups! > > > > > > > A $50 membership at the New York State Library gets you full > access to their databases & other perks: > > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/friends/app.htm > > Here are those databases: > > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gate/remotedb.htm > > --- Bill Wiler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I actually tried to become a member of the Buffalo Library and > > was told > > that because I live out of state, have no business there and I > > am not a NY > > resident, I can not join. So I have no access to any NY > > Library unless I > > use a researcher. > > Bill Wiler > > > > > > > > Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> > > Sent by: [email protected] > > 03/11/2008 07:44 AM > > Please respond to > > [email protected] > > > > > > To > > [email protected] > > cc > > > > Subject > > Re: [NYERIE] Update to NYS Vital Records Indexes - Free Look > > Ups! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Dick, but I don't need convincing. I am not keeping > > anyone from these records, New York State is. I was just > > reporting a regulation as it was communicated to BECPL and > > thinking out loud about what the rationale might be. > > > > If the Onondaga Public Library is in fact disregarding Health > > Department regulations, you may soon have less access to the > > index, not more. > > > > Everyone who agrees with Dick should communicate their > > sentiments to the NY State Health Department and their state > > legislators. > > > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I heard Sharon Sergeant CG, and Pat Richley (Dear Myrtle,) > > > both professional > > > genealogists, discussing just this on a podcast last week. > > > Sharon made the > > > case for totally open records, stating that they have been > > > making studies > > > and there are not many cases of identity fraud from vital > > > records, and that > > > almost all of the cases are caused by people that you know, > > > family members, > > > former friends, business acquaintances, and so on. > > > > > > These cases almost always are because someone ripped off > > your > > > credit card, > > > or you left your social security number laying around with > > > your bank > > > statement and such. > > > > > > Sharon is the professional genealogist that with others > > broke > > > the recent > > > Holocaust fraud story of the lady that claimed she was > > raised > > > by wolves. It > > > was all over the news the last couple of weeks. > > > > > > I am not a fan of bureaucrats being paid to protect me! > > I've > > > seen too much > > > in my long life. > > > > > > I hear you anyway, and I accept your points. Well said, as > > > always. > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Cynthia Van Ness > > > <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these > > indexes, > > > in > > > > > any manner > > > > > whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time > > > limit > > > > > restrictions > > > > > being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead > > > and > > > > > gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ > > > > > > > > You may well be right, but we pay our public servants to > > > protect > > > > us. If someone figured out a way to exploit the indexes > > for > > > > large scale identity theft, we'd be screaming bloody > > murder > > > > because the regulations were too lax. I don't know if > > > identity > > > > theft is a credible threat (maybe it is not) but I do know > > > that > > > > the Health Department would be irresponsible to ignore the > > > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > > > > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > > > > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > > > > > > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants > > city > > > living. City > > > > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of > > > other people. It is > > > > dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a > > hundred > > > compromises > > > > daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy > > > that a city > > > > generates." --Robert N. 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Cynthia, Thank you very much. The Librarian just told me she could not help me. Bill Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> Sent by: [email protected] 03/12/2008 07:23 AM Please respond to [email protected] To [email protected] cc Subject Re: [NYERIE] Update to NYS Vital Records Indexes - Free Look Ups! A $50 membership at the New York State Library gets you full access to their databases & other perks: http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/friends/app.htm Here are those databases: http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gate/remotedb.htm --- Bill Wiler <[email protected]> wrote: > I actually tried to become a member of the Buffalo Library and > was told > that because I live out of state, have no business there and I > am not a NY > resident, I can not join. So I have no access to any NY > Library unless I > use a researcher. > Bill Wiler > > > > Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> > Sent by: [email protected] > 03/11/2008 07:44 AM > Please respond to > [email protected] > > > To > [email protected] > cc > > Subject > Re: [NYERIE] Update to NYS Vital Records Indexes - Free Look > Ups! > > > > > > > Thanks, Dick, but I don't need convincing. I am not keeping > anyone from these records, New York State is. I was just > reporting a regulation as it was communicated to BECPL and > thinking out loud about what the rationale might be. > > If the Onondaga Public Library is in fact disregarding Health > Department regulations, you may soon have less access to the > index, not more. > > Everyone who agrees with Dick should communicate their > sentiments to the NY State Health Department and their state > legislators. > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I heard Sharon Sergeant CG, and Pat Richley (Dear Myrtle,) > > both professional > > genealogists, discussing just this on a podcast last week. > > Sharon made the > > case for totally open records, stating that they have been > > making studies > > and there are not many cases of identity fraud from vital > > records, and that > > almost all of the cases are caused by people that you know, > > family members, > > former friends, business acquaintances, and so on. > > > > These cases almost always are because someone ripped off > your > > credit card, > > or you left your social security number laying around with > > your bank > > statement and such. > > > > Sharon is the professional genealogist that with others > broke > > the recent > > Holocaust fraud story of the lady that claimed she was > raised > > by wolves. It > > was all over the news the last couple of weeks. > > > > I am not a fan of bureaucrats being paid to protect me! > I've > > seen too much > > in my long life. > > > > I hear you anyway, and I accept your points. Well said, as > > always. > > > > Dick > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Cynthia Van Ness > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these > indexes, > > in > > > > any manner > > > > whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time > > limit > > > > restrictions > > > > being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead > > and > > > > gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ > > > > > > You may well be right, but we pay our public servants to > > protect > > > us. If someone figured out a way to exploit the indexes > for > > > large scale identity theft, we'd be screaming bloody > murder > > > because the regulations were too lax. I don't know if > > identity > > > theft is a credible threat (maybe it is not) but I do know > > that > > > the Health Department would be irresponsible to ignore the > > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > > > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > > > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > > > > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants > city > > living. City > > > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of > > other people. It is > > > dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a > hundred > > compromises > > > daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy > > that a city > > > generates." --Robert N. 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This list was so helpful to me several years ago. Thank you. I now have another close relative CHARLES MONCRIEF (various spellings) I am trying to find. He, wife and 4 daughters were on the 1870 Federal Census. They were living on Monitor Street (ward 13) in Buffalo. (He was working in the RollingHill iron factory.) The next time I find him, 1900 Federal Census, he is in the Chester County, PA. Poor House. If anyone has Buffalo City Directories available for the years after 1871, I would be so appreciative to be notified of the findings. ALSO, of course, 1875 STATE census would be just perfect. He is not there is 1880. .....vldg **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Do you know how far back the records in the database go? Quite some time ago I wrote to Albany and was told I had to check with the town/village and also that the records I was looking for (early 1800s) weren't required at that time. I would consider the $50 membership if my ancestors are there. I know there are some since that time as well. Grace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Van Ness" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Update to NYS Vital Records Indexes - Free Look Ups! >A $50 membership at the New York State Library gets you full > access to their databases & other perks: > > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/friends/app.htm > > Here are those databases: > > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gate/remotedb.htm > > --- Bill Wiler <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I actually tried to become a member of the Buffalo Library and >> was told >> that because I live out of state, have no business there and I >> am not a NY >> resident, I can not join. So I have no access to any NY >> Library unless I >> use a researcher. >> Bill Wiler >> >> >> >> Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> >> Sent by: [email protected] >> 03/11/2008 07:44 AM >> Please respond to >> [email protected] >> >> >> To >> [email protected] >> cc >> >> Subject >> Re: [NYERIE] Update to NYS Vital Records Indexes - Free Look >> Ups! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, Dick, but I don't need convincing. I am not keeping >> anyone from these records, New York State is. I was just >> reporting a regulation as it was communicated to BECPL and >> thinking out loud about what the rationale might be. >> >> If the Onondaga Public Library is in fact disregarding Health >> Department regulations, you may soon have less access to the >> index, not more. >> >> Everyone who agrees with Dick should communicate their >> sentiments to the NY State Health Department and their state >> legislators. >> >> --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I heard Sharon Sergeant CG, and Pat Richley (Dear Myrtle,) >> > both professional >> > genealogists, discussing just this on a podcast last week. >> > Sharon made the >> > case for totally open records, stating that they have been >> > making studies >> > and there are not many cases of identity fraud from vital >> > records, and that >> > almost all of the cases are caused by people that you know, >> > family members, >> > former friends, business acquaintances, and so on. >> > >> > These cases almost always are because someone ripped off >> your >> > credit card, >> > or you left your social security number laying around with >> > your bank >> > statement and such. >> > >> > Sharon is the professional genealogist that with others >> broke >> > the recent >> > Holocaust fraud story of the lady that claimed she was >> raised >> > by wolves. It >> > was all over the news the last couple of weeks. >> > >> > I am not a fan of bureaucrats being paid to protect me! >> I've >> > seen too much >> > in my long life. >> > >> > I hear you anyway, and I accept your points. Well said, as >> > always. >> > >> > Dick >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Cynthia Van Ness >> > <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these >> indexes, >> > in >> > > > any manner >> > > > whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time >> > limit >> > > > restrictions >> > > > being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead >> > and >> > > > gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ >> > > >> > > You may well be right, but we pay our public servants to >> > protect >> > > us. If someone figured out a way to exploit the indexes >> for >> > > large scale identity theft, we'd be screaming bloody >> murder >> > > because the regulations were too lax. I don't know if >> > identity >> > > theft is a credible threat (maybe it is not) but I do know >> > that >> > > the Health Department would be irresponsible to ignore the >> > > possibility. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* >> > > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com >> > > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com >> > > >> > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants >> city >> > living. City >> > > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of >> > other people. It is >> > > dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a >> hundred >> > compromises >> > > daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy >> > that a city >> > > generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes >> > > in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > >> >> >> > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* >> Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com >> http://www.BuffaloResearch.com >> >> "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city >> living. City >> living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other >> people. It >> is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a >> hundred >> compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective >> energy that >> a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email, including attachments, is >> for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain >> confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized >> review, use or disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Might he have worked with Frederick Law Olmstead on any of the Buffalo Olmstead Parks? You might find him mentioned in some of the books on Olmstead. Claire > From: "William Higgins" <[email protected]> > > Dear List Members, > > I have found, on the Ancestry 1930 census index: George W. McClure Erie N.Y. born 1846 Scotland. I believe this is my long lost granduncle > George Wilson McClure, born December 13, 1846 in Dunbarton, Scotland > > Family stories said he was a landscape architech, and designed a park in > Buffalo > > If anyone has access to the 1910-1930 census, I would love to have > the info on them. > > William Higgins.............in Mississauga, Ontario > > > As I was growing up in Williamsville in the 1940's and 50's I remember > that there was a George McClure who lived I believe on Mill St. and was > in the landscape business. Would that have been a relative? > > Fred Wood >

That's incredible! JSTOR and Sanborn Maps would be enough for me! I know you can get access to some of the databases with just one of their state library cards, which you must get in-person. However, I don't know if you can get to all of this great list. $50 support for the Friends is a good idea in any event. Thanks Cynthia. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> wrote: > A $50 membership at the New York State Library gets you full > access to their databases & other perks: > > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/friends/app.htm > > Here are those databases: > > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gate/remotedb.htm > >

Amigone Funderal Homes are offering a look-up service from their records. See: http://amigone.com/geninfo/genealogy.php *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

A $50 membership at the New York State Library gets you full access to their databases & other perks: http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/friends/app.htm Here are those databases: http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/gate/remotedb.htm --- Bill Wiler <[email protected]> wrote: > I actually tried to become a member of the Buffalo Library and > was told > that because I live out of state, have no business there and I > am not a NY > resident, I can not join. So I have no access to any NY > Library unless I > use a researcher. > Bill Wiler > > > > Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> > Sent by: [email protected] > 03/11/2008 07:44 AM > Please respond to > [email protected] > > > To > [email protected] > cc > > Subject > Re: [NYERIE] Update to NYS Vital Records Indexes - Free Look > Ups! > > > > > > > Thanks, Dick, but I don't need convincing. I am not keeping > anyone from these records, New York State is. I was just > reporting a regulation as it was communicated to BECPL and > thinking out loud about what the rationale might be. > > If the Onondaga Public Library is in fact disregarding Health > Department regulations, you may soon have less access to the > index, not more. > > Everyone who agrees with Dick should communicate their > sentiments to the NY State Health Department and their state > legislators. > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I heard Sharon Sergeant CG, and Pat Richley (Dear Myrtle,) > > both professional > > genealogists, discussing just this on a podcast last week. > > Sharon made the > > case for totally open records, stating that they have been > > making studies > > and there are not many cases of identity fraud from vital > > records, and that > > almost all of the cases are caused by people that you know, > > family members, > > former friends, business acquaintances, and so on. > > > > These cases almost always are because someone ripped off > your > > credit card, > > or you left your social security number laying around with > > your bank > > statement and such. > > > > Sharon is the professional genealogist that with others > broke > > the recent > > Holocaust fraud story of the lady that claimed she was > raised > > by wolves. It > > was all over the news the last couple of weeks. > > > > I am not a fan of bureaucrats being paid to protect me! > I've > > seen too much > > in my long life. > > > > I hear you anyway, and I accept your points. Well said, as > > always. > > > > Dick > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Cynthia Van Ness > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these > indexes, > > in > > > > any manner > > > > whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time > > limit > > > > restrictions > > > > being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead > > and > > > > gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ > > > > > > You may well be right, but we pay our public servants to > > protect > > > us. If someone figured out a way to exploit the indexes > for > > > large scale identity theft, we'd be screaming bloody > murder > > > because the regulations were too lax. I don't know if > > identity > > > theft is a credible threat (maybe it is not) but I do know > > that > > > the Health Department would be irresponsible to ignore the > > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > > > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > > > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > > > > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants > city > > living. City > > > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of > > other people. It is > > > dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a > hundred > > compromises > > > daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy > > that a city > > > generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city > living. City > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other > people. It > is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a > hundred > compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective > energy that > a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email, including attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use or disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If > you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender > immediately and destroy all copies of the original message. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

Good work, Dick. I forwarded this to the Grosvenor Room in the hopes that they can cite a source for the "no remote lookups" rule. --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > Here is a little more information that I can tell you all. > > I immediately forwarded the information that Cynthia put on > this mail list > to the Syracuse library. > The librarian checked with supervisors, data processing > because the man > there used to be in Local History/Genealogy and was told that > they have been > doing lookups for free, for patrons since day one. She also > called the > librarian at the Rochester library and was assured that there > was no "law" > against it. > > They were confident enough to ask me to add some additional > information on > my Blog toady, which I did. > I have no part in this other than reporting it as news. > Personally I > applaud the OCPL and truly hope there is not a problem. > > Dick Hillenbrand > Upstate New York Genealogy Blog > http://ny-genes.blogspot.com > > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:13 PM, M <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Just a thought, has anyone called (Dept of Health) to see if > there really > > is a law against it? I work late hours all week, or I'd > call to ask. I > > think I was told once before as long as the rules for time > were followed... > > here is a list from NYS Dept of Health > > > > Birth certificates - if on file for at least 75 years and > the person > > whose name is on the birth certificate is known to be > deceased. > > Death certificates - if on file for at least 50 years. > > Marriage certificates - if on file for at least 50 years and > the bride and > > groom are both known to be deceased. > > > > And a link to their website as well as contact information. > > > > http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/phforum/foil/foil.htm > > > > As long as the person is not alive, where would identity > theft come into > > play? For that matter, someone could get a copy of a draft > card (WWI or > > WWII) and use the date of birth, parent information and > steal that identity. > > Bottom line is, it happens no matter what "security" the > government > > imposes. And at what cost to a person's freedom to > information? > > > > Marcy N. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

I agree, I am very happy to see more outlets open to people who need help. Thank you for looking into it, Marcy From: Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> Date: 2008/03/11 Tue PM 07:16:56 CDT To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Update to NYS Vital Records Indexes - Free Look Ups! Here is a little more information that I can tell you all. I immediately forwarded the information that Cynthia put on this mail list to the Syracuse library. The librarian checked with supervisors, data processing because the man there used to be in Local History/Genealogy and was told that they have been doing lookups for free, for patrons since day one. She also called the librarian at the Rochester library and was assured that there was no "law" against it. They were confident enough to ask me to add some additional information on my Blog toady, which I did. I have no part in this other than reporting it as news. Personally I applaud the OCPL and truly hope there is not a problem. Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy Blog http://ny-genes.blogspot.com On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:13 PM, M <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a thought, has anyone called (Dept of Health) to see if there really > is a law against it? I work late hours all week, or I'd call to ask. I > think I was told once before as long as the rules for time were followed... > here is a list from NYS Dept of Health > > Birth certificates - if on file for at least 75 years and the person > whose name is on the birth certificate is known to be deceased. > Death certificates - if on file for at least 50 years. > Marriage certificates - if on file for at least 50 years and the bride and > groom are both known to be deceased. > > And a link to their website as well as contact information. > > http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/phforum/foil/foil.htm > > As long as the person is not alive, where would identity theft come into > play? For that matter, someone could get a copy of a draft card (WWI or > WWII) and use the date of birth, parent information and steal that identity. > Bottom line is, it happens no matter what "security" the government > imposes. And at what cost to a person's freedom to information? > > Marcy N. >

Here is a little more information that I can tell you all. I immediately forwarded the information that Cynthia put on this mail list to the Syracuse library. The librarian checked with supervisors, data processing because the man there used to be in Local History/Genealogy and was told that they have been doing lookups for free, for patrons since day one. She also called the librarian at the Rochester library and was assured that there was no "law" against it. They were confident enough to ask me to add some additional information on my Blog toady, which I did. I have no part in this other than reporting it as news. Personally I applaud the OCPL and truly hope there is not a problem. Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy Blog http://ny-genes.blogspot.com On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 7:13 PM, M <[email protected]> wrote: > Just a thought, has anyone called (Dept of Health) to see if there really > is a law against it? I work late hours all week, or I'd call to ask. I > think I was told once before as long as the rules for time were followed... > here is a list from NYS Dept of Health > > Birth certificates - if on file for at least 75 years and the person > whose name is on the birth certificate is known to be deceased. > Death certificates - if on file for at least 50 years. > Marriage certificates - if on file for at least 50 years and the bride and > groom are both known to be deceased. > > And a link to their website as well as contact information. > > http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/phforum/foil/foil.htm > > As long as the person is not alive, where would identity theft come into > play? For that matter, someone could get a copy of a draft card (WWI or > WWII) and use the date of birth, parent information and steal that identity. > Bottom line is, it happens no matter what "security" the government > imposes. And at what cost to a person's freedom to information? > > Marcy N. > >

Just a thought, has anyone called (Dept of Health) to see if there really is a law against it? I work late hours all week, or I'd call to ask. I think I was told once before as long as the rules for time were followed... here is a list from NYS Dept of Health Birth certificates - if on file for at least 75 years and the person whose name is on the birth certificate is known to be deceased. Death certificates - if on file for at least 50 years. Marriage certificates - if on file for at least 50 years and the bride and groom are both known to be deceased. And a link to their website as well as contact information. http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/phforum/foil/foil.htm As long as the person is not alive, where would identity theft come into play? For that matter, someone could get a copy of a draft card (WWI or WWII) and use the date of birth, parent information and steal that identity. Bottom line is, it happens no matter what "security" the government imposes. And at what cost to a person's freedom to information? Marcy N. Thanks, Dick, but I don't need convincing. I am not keeping anyone from these records, New York State is. I was just reporting a regulation as it was communicated to BECPL and thinking out loud about what the rationale might be. If the Onondaga Public Library is in fact disregarding Health Department regulations, you may soon have less access to the index, not more. Everyone who agrees with Dick should communicate their sentiments to the NY State Health Department and their state legislators. > > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these indexes, > in > > > any manner > > > whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time > limit > > > restrictions > > > being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead > and > > > gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ > > > > You may well be right, but we pay our public servants to > protect > > us. If someone figured out a way to exploit the indexes for > > large scale identity theft, we'd be screaming bloody murder > > because the regulations were too lax. I don't know if > identity > > theft is a credible threat (maybe it is not) but I do know > that > > the Health Department would be irresponsible to ignore the > > possibility. http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/phforum/foil/foil.htm

I actually tried to become a member of the Buffalo Library and was told that because I live out of state, have no business there and I am not a NY resident, I can not join. So I have no access to any NY Library unless I use a researcher. Bill Wiler Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> Sent by: [email protected] 03/11/2008 07:44 AM Please respond to [email protected] To [email protected] cc Subject Re: [NYERIE] Update to NYS Vital Records Indexes - Free Look Ups! Thanks, Dick, but I don't need convincing. I am not keeping anyone from these records, New York State is. I was just reporting a regulation as it was communicated to BECPL and thinking out loud about what the rationale might be. If the Onondaga Public Library is in fact disregarding Health Department regulations, you may soon have less access to the index, not more. Everyone who agrees with Dick should communicate their sentiments to the NY State Health Department and their state legislators. --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > I heard Sharon Sergeant CG, and Pat Richley (Dear Myrtle,) > both professional > genealogists, discussing just this on a podcast last week. > Sharon made the > case for totally open records, stating that they have been > making studies > and there are not many cases of identity fraud from vital > records, and that > almost all of the cases are caused by people that you know, > family members, > former friends, business acquaintances, and so on. > > These cases almost always are because someone ripped off your > credit card, > or you left your social security number laying around with > your bank > statement and such. > > Sharon is the professional genealogist that with others broke > the recent > Holocaust fraud story of the lady that claimed she was raised > by wolves. It > was all over the news the last couple of weeks. > > I am not a fan of bureaucrats being paid to protect me! I've > seen too much > in my long life. > > I hear you anyway, and I accept your points. Well said, as > always. > > Dick > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Cynthia Van Ness > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these indexes, > in > > > any manner > > > whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time > limit > > > restrictions > > > being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead > and > > > gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ > > > > You may well be right, but we pay our public servants to > protect > > us. If someone figured out a way to exploit the indexes for > > large scale identity theft, we'd be screaming bloody murder > > because the regulations were too lax. I don't know if > identity > > theft is a credible threat (maybe it is not) but I do know > that > > the Health Department would be irresponsible to ignore the > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city > living. City > > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of > other people. It is > > dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred > compromises > > daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy > that a city > > generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use or disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of the original message.

Thanks, Dick, but I don't need convincing. I am not keeping anyone from these records, New York State is. I was just reporting a regulation as it was communicated to BECPL and thinking out loud about what the rationale might be. If the Onondaga Public Library is in fact disregarding Health Department regulations, you may soon have less access to the index, not more. Everyone who agrees with Dick should communicate their sentiments to the NY State Health Department and their state legislators. --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > I heard Sharon Sergeant CG, and Pat Richley (Dear Myrtle,) > both professional > genealogists, discussing just this on a podcast last week. > Sharon made the > case for totally open records, stating that they have been > making studies > and there are not many cases of identity fraud from vital > records, and that > almost all of the cases are caused by people that you know, > family members, > former friends, business acquaintances, and so on. > > These cases almost always are because someone ripped off your > credit card, > or you left your social security number laying around with > your bank > statement and such. > > Sharon is the professional genealogist that with others broke > the recent > Holocaust fraud story of the lady that claimed she was raised > by wolves. It > was all over the news the last couple of weeks. > > I am not a fan of bureaucrats being paid to protect me! I've > seen too much > in my long life. > > I hear you anyway, and I accept your points. Well said, as > always. > > Dick > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Cynthia Van Ness > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these indexes, > in > > > any manner > > > whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time > limit > > > restrictions > > > being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead > and > > > gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ > > > > You may well be right, but we pay our public servants to > protect > > us. If someone figured out a way to exploit the indexes for > > large scale identity theft, we'd be screaming bloody murder > > because the regulations were too lax. I don't know if > identity > > theft is a credible threat (maybe it is not) but I do know > that > > the Health Department would be irresponsible to ignore the > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city > living. City > > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of > other people. It is > > dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred > compromises > > daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy > that a city > > generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

Oh, just remembered something. Vermont has a totally open vital records program. You can walk in there and get a birth, death or marriage record photocopy from any event, for any one, even if the event was just a few days ago. I doubt there is very much identity fraud from their vital records program. On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > I heard Sharon Sergeant CG, and Pat Richley (Dear Myrtle,) both > professional genealogists, discussing just this on a podcast last week. > Sharon made the case for totally open records, stating that they have been > making studies and there are not many cases of identity fraud from vital > records, and that almost all of the cases are caused by people that you > know, family members, former friends, business acquaintances, and so on. > > These cases almost always are because someone ripped off your credit card, > or you left your social security number laying around with your bank > statement and such. > > Sharon is the professional genealogist that with others broke the recent > Holocaust fraud story of the lady that claimed she was raised by wolves. It > was all over the news the last couple of weeks. > > I am not a fan of bureaucrats being paid to protect me! I've seen too > much in my long life. > > I hear you anyway, and I accept your points. Well said, as always. > > Dick > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these indexes, in > > > any manner > > > whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time limit > > > restrictions > > > being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead and > > > gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ > > > > You may well be right, but we pay our public servants to protect > > us. If someone figured out a way to exploit the indexes for > > large scale identity theft, we'd be screaming bloody murder > > because the regulations were too lax. I don't know if identity > > theft is a credible threat (maybe it is not) but I do know that > > the Health Department would be irresponsible to ignore the > > possibility. > > > > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. > > City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. > > It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred > > compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a > > city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I heard Sharon Sergeant CG, and Pat Richley (Dear Myrtle,) both professional genealogists, discussing just this on a podcast last week. Sharon made the case for totally open records, stating that they have been making studies and there are not many cases of identity fraud from vital records, and that almost all of the cases are caused by people that you know, family members, former friends, business acquaintances, and so on. These cases almost always are because someone ripped off your credit card, or you left your social security number laying around with your bank statement and such. Sharon is the professional genealogist that with others broke the recent Holocaust fraud story of the lady that claimed she was raised by wolves. It was all over the news the last couple of weeks. I am not a fan of bureaucrats being paid to protect me! I've seen too much in my long life. I hear you anyway, and I accept your points. Well said, as always. Dick On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> wrote: > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these indexes, in > > any manner > > whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time limit > > restrictions > > being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead and > > gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ > > You may well be right, but we pay our public servants to protect > us. If someone figured out a way to exploit the indexes for > large scale identity theft, we'd be screaming bloody murder > because the regulations were too lax. I don't know if identity > theft is a credible threat (maybe it is not) but I do know that > the Health Department would be irresponsible to ignore the > possibility. > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is > dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises > daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city > generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Cynthia, I value your comments and constant sharing of information greatly. I will forward this to Holly. Dick Hillenbrand Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these indexes, in any manner whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time limit restrictions being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead and gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> wrote: > That's actually kind of worrisome. When BECPL got the same > index, they were told that look-ups were to be done in person > and that it was against State health department lawsfor staff to > offer remote look-ups. Violations would result in the index > being withdrawn. > > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Read our latest Blog with some additional information > > regarding the eight > > sets of NYS microfiche indexes to Births, Deaths and Marriages > > for most of > > the Upstate New York areas. Now one of the libraries is > > offering to do free > > lookups! > > > > Read the story on Upstate New York Genealogy Blog at > > http://ny-genes.blogspot.com. > > > > Dick Hillenbrand > > www.unyg.com > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* > Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com > http://www.BuffaloResearch.com > > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City > living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is > dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises > daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city > generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

--- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote: > Myself, I think any kind of restriction on these indexes, in > any manner > whatsoever, by the state is just plain silly! The time limit > restrictions > being met, who cares? Most all of these people are dead and > gone, or at least over the hilll. \gin/ You may well be right, but we pay our public servants to protect us. If someone figured out a way to exploit the indexes for large scale identity theft, we'd be screaming bloody murder because the regulations were too lax. I don't know if identity theft is a credible threat (maybe it is not) but I do know that the Health Department would be irresponsible to ignore the possibility. *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)

As I was growing up in Williamsville in the 1940's and 50's I remember that there was a George McClure who lived I believe on Mill St. and was in the landscape business. Would that have been a relative? Fred Wood -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Higgins Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYERIE] Census Help I would like to sincerely thank all those that sent me the 1910-1930 Buffalo census for George W. McClure and family. This has been a great help, and a starting point for more family research. What a GREAT list William Higgins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a West Coast resident, I was delighted to hear that NY records would somehow be made available to those of us who are unable to drive down to the local NY library. NY seems to have been very shy about letting the rest of us learn anything. Is this my impression, or is it so? Having drained online resources and come up dry, I would welcome the opportunity to work with original records, which may be more reliable than "cookie-cutter" family trees. Good luck, everyone!!! Are we going to be able to get help from the Onondaga library? A Longtime and frustrated researcher---------------------------------------> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:42:35 -0700> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Update to NYS Vital Records Indexes - Free Look Ups!> > That's actually kind of worrisome. When BECPL got the same> index, they were told that look-ups were to be done in person> and that it was against State health department lawsfor staff to> offer remote look-ups. Violations would result in the index> being withdrawn.> > --- Dick Hillenbrand <[email protected]> wrote:> > > Read our latest Blog with some additional information> > regarding the eight> > sets of NYS microfiche indexes to Births, Deaths and Marriages> > for most of> > the Upstate New York areas. Now one of the libraries is> > offering to do free> > lookups!> > > > Read the story on Upstate New York Genealogy Blog at> > http://ny-genes.blogspot.com.> > > > Dick Hillenbrand> > www.unyg.com> > > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-*> Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com> http://www.BuffaloResearch.com> > "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message