There's a great gift shop in the lower level of the Basilica also. I don't know how much info you'll get from City Hall, (Lackawanna) but I would plan on going to the library a few blocks down Ridge and inquire there about the History. There's also an old cemetery behind it that few people know about. I've never been back there but plan to one day. I think someone told me it was pretty much grown over as its not taken care of anymore.Ruth is right, its a great area. Ridge Road in this area used to be the elite of the big shots in the days of the properous steel plant. Another good history lesson is in the book "City of Light" by Lauren Bekfer, The book is fictional, but based on a lot of Buffalo history around the turn of the century. Most of it takes place in North Buffalo around the Pan Am site, but there was a good chapter in it about her taking a day trip to visit the steel plant. I throughly enjoyed it. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Madar" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Moses Taylor Hospital located > I, also, wish to thank everyone who contributed to this subject. I've > lived in the Bethlehem Steel Plant area all my life and learned more about > it in the past few days then I have by living here. For the person who is > coming to the area - Lackawanna is a beautiful little city and you'll love > Victory Basilica and please visit the Botanical Gardens which is in > walking > distance from the church and don't forget the old cemetery in the same > area. You'll truly be in awe and very safe. City Hall is, also, in > walking distance from the church. This weekend the old OLV hospital is > having an open house for the newly renovated building which has been made > into a new senior community. It includes a dinning room, living room with > fireplace, kitchen, laundry room and bathing spa. In meantime funds will > be > raised for Father Baker Memorial Gaslight Park and "Main Street" > concourse, > which will include a chapel, barber/beauty shop, gift shop, lab collection > sit, history museum and other amenities. It's so nice that the building > won't sit empty. There is a wonderful new restaurant on South Park Avenue > between the Basilica and Botanical Gardens called Daisies that I'm sure > you'll enjoy. > > Ruth > > At 12:30 AM 5/3/2008 -0400, you wrote: >>According to my 1976 book "History of Lackawanna" there was a wing at OLV >>hospital called the Bethlehem-Taylor wing which was equiped to do surgery. >>This may have been after the Moses Taylor hospital was no longer in use. >>The book also say's that Moses Taylor was an early invester in the steel >>company when it was in Scranton PA (Abt 1860) and before all the mergers, >>name changes and move to Lackawanna around 1900. The company also owned an >>ore ship named the SS Moses Taylor which was the first ship to deliver ore >>to the docks at the new ship canal. The new plant that was to be >>constructed in Lackawanna was on 1600 acres. Moses Taylor hospital opened >>in November 1903. >> >>Kevin >>---- Gail <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1411 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 > 8:02 AM > >

I've been enjoying this discussion on South Buffalo and Lackawana. My family has long lived in this area: Babcock, Maurice, Perry, Elk, just to name a few streets. My great grandfathers worked for Buffalo Chemical Works and the NY Central Rail Road. Charles E. Long was the physician that signed off on my Grandfather's death certificate. He was one of the two men that were killed in the SOCONY, Atlas Plant explosion on March 7, 1927. I believe my Grandmother lived in the Perry Projects. Researching: Beck, Boettcher/Bettcher, Bowers, Christ, Everson, Feuerbach, Jahnke, Rosten, Schuh, Stanton, Vogt On May 3, 2008, at 3:55 AM, Ruth Madar wrote: > Mary, Well, I still can't find my birth certificate. AND I'm a > GENEALOGIST?!! I have everybody else's but mine. HOWEVER, I do have > good > news for you. As I mentioned, I'm sure Charles Long didn't sign my > birth > certificate but my grandfather was the man that was electrocuted at > Bethlehem Steel Plant. His certificate was signed by Charles E. Long > M.D. > on Aug. 15, 1928 and where the address is suppose to be, he wrote: Dep. > County Physician. So out of this whole discussion - a discovery was > found!!! When you wrote that Charles E. Long was either the Medical > Examiner or Medical Director for Erie County - the light turned on in > my > brain and I looked at the record again. > > Ruth > > At 05:16 PM 5/2/2008 -0400, you wrote: >> Charles E. Long was a doctor in Buffalo. He was married to my >> grandparents' >> niece who was a dentist. I'm struggling to find some papers that >> contain >> his obituary. I believe that he was either the Medical Examiner or >> Medical >> Director for Erie County. >> >> Mary >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I, also, wish to thank everyone who contributed to this subject. I've lived in the Bethlehem Steel Plant area all my life and learned more about it in the past few days then I have by living here. For the person who is coming to the area - Lackawanna is a beautiful little city and you'll love Victory Basilica and please visit the Botanical Gardens which is in walking distance from the church and don't forget the old cemetery in the same area. You'll truly be in awe and very safe. City Hall is, also, in walking distance from the church. This weekend the old OLV hospital is having an open house for the newly renovated building which has been made into a new senior community. It includes a dinning room, living room with fireplace, kitchen, laundry room and bathing spa. In meantime funds will be raised for Father Baker Memorial Gaslight Park and "Main Street" concourse, which will include a chapel, barber/beauty shop, gift shop, lab collection sit, history museum and other amenities. It's so nice that the building won't sit empty. There is a wonderful new restaurant on South Park Avenue between the Basilica and Botanical Gardens called Daisies that I'm sure you'll enjoy. Ruth At 12:30 AM 5/3/2008 -0400, you wrote: >According to my 1976 book "History of Lackawanna" there was a wing at OLV >hospital called the Bethlehem-Taylor wing which was equiped to do surgery. >This may have been after the Moses Taylor hospital was no longer in use. >The book also say's that Moses Taylor was an early invester in the steel >company when it was in Scranton PA (Abt 1860) and before all the mergers, >name changes and move to Lackawanna around 1900. The company also owned an >ore ship named the SS Moses Taylor which was the first ship to deliver ore >to the docks at the new ship canal. The new plant that was to be >constructed in Lackawanna was on 1600 acres. Moses Taylor hospital opened >in November 1903. > >Kevin >---- Gail <[email protected]> wrote:

Mary, Well, I still can't find my birth certificate. AND I'm a GENEALOGIST?!! I have everybody else's but mine. HOWEVER, I do have good news for you. As I mentioned, I'm sure Charles Long didn't sign my birth certificate but my grandfather was the man that was electrocuted at Bethlehem Steel Plant. His certificate was signed by Charles E. Long M.D. on Aug. 15, 1928 and where the address is suppose to be, he wrote: Dep. County Physician. So out of this whole discussion - a discovery was found!!! When you wrote that Charles E. Long was either the Medical Examiner or Medical Director for Erie County - the light turned on in my brain and I looked at the record again. Ruth At 05:16 PM 5/2/2008 -0400, you wrote: >Charles E. Long was a doctor in Buffalo. He was married to my grandparents' >niece who was a dentist. I'm struggling to find some papers that contain >his obituary. I believe that he was either the Medical Examiner or Medical >Director for Erie County. > >Mary >

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According to my 1976 book "History of Lackawanna" there was a wing at OLV hospital called the Bethlehem-Taylor wing which was equiped to do surgery. This may have been after the Moses Taylor hospital was no longer in use. The book also say's that Moses Taylor was an early invester in the steel company when it was in Scranton PA (Abt 1860) and before all the mergers, name changes and move to Lackawanna around 1900. The company also owned an ore ship named the SS Moses Taylor which was the first ship to deliver ore to the docks at the new ship canal. The new plant that was to be constructed in Lackawanna was on 1600 acres. Moses Taylor hospital opened in November 1903. Kevin ---- Gail <[email protected]> wrote: ============= According to my friend, the operations were performed at the building site at the beginning of Bethlehem Steel property (Buffalo side ) on the lake front on route 5 Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val" <[email protected]> To: "Amy Lathrop" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Moses Taylor Hospital located >I certainly hope you see angels fly in your sleep. Great job. > > Perhaps the small hospital next to the main office was just for cuts > and minor injuries. There must have been many of those since there > were so many injuries that actually lead to death. > > One last article I found at the great site you were using for > newspapers: > > Newspaper Buffalo NY Morning Express 1903 > > One of the features of the Lackawanna Steel Company's plant that > attest the breadth of view of those who have founded that institution > is the Moses Taylor Hospital that has been designed for the benefit > of employees of the plant. It will be a big building 100 feet long, > with wings running back 30 (?) feet and within the best ideas as to > modern hospital equipment will be employed. > > Thanks for all your time and help. > > Val > > > > > > On 2 May 2008 at 3:08, Amy Lathrop <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Mystery solved. Moses Taylor Hospital was on Ridge Road, Across from >> Holland Ave, between the "R.C. church" and the "Polish church". So >> essentially, it was where the Friendship House is now. Actually, the >> playground is situatated over the hospitals footprint. >> >> However, according to the 1915 map I am viewing at >> http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/viewPlate.php?country=US >> &m=38751<http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/viewPlate.php?c >> ountry=US&m=38751> there is also a small hospital next to the main >> office on Hamburg Turnpike. >> >> >> I can sleep now. >> >> >> >> Niters, >> >> Amy >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1411 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 > 8:02 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary, Have you searched the Fulton History site that Amy mentioned? http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html Charles E Long appears may times in news reports of deaths and is called the Medical Examiner. His obit may be in there somewhere. Val On 2 May 2008 at 17:16, M. Brenzel <[email protected]> wrote: > Charles E. Long was a doctor in Buffalo. He was married to my > grandparents' niece who was a dentist. I'm struggling to find some > papers that contain his obituary. I believe that he was either the > Medical Examiner or Medical Director for Erie County. > > Mary >   > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Val Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:31 PM To: Ruth Madar; > [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Perry Projects & Bethlehem > Steel > > Hi Ruth, > > Do you know how far the Perry Projects extend. I'm curious whether > the houses that were used by my relatives are part of that or if the > houses are still standing. > > Here are some of the homes on my list: > 268 Fulton, 521 Elk, 357 Elk, 77 Manitoba, and 544 Perry > > I think the descendants have all moved away from the area since then. > I always remember how the relatives use to talk about one another's > financial position when the Buffalo relatives came to Hamilton. > > Those from Buffalo referred to the Hamilton relatives as rich. Those > from Hamilton thought the Buffalo relatives were rich because they > could travel. The reality was that most of them on both sides of the > border were just surviving. My grandmother and her children would > pool their money when the relatives were coming and a wonderful feast > would be enjoyed by all. The Buffalo families would in turn pool > their money to pay their travel expenses. > > Your right about this being an interesting topic. I may have > instigated it but I think lots of us found out more about the history > of Buffalo than we knew before and I dare say there are a few others > out there that had people treated at this hospital. It certainly > sounds like it was a very busy place in those days. > > Who was the doctor that signed the Record of Death. Mind was signed > by Charles E. Long. I don't know if he worked at both hospitals but > it is another clue to look into. Good Luck. Wish I was close enough > to come to the Museum. > > Val > > > On 2 May 2008 at 11:53, Ruth Madar <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yes, Perry Projects are in South Buffalo. They originally were built > > for the WWII families. I was born in one of the apartments about a > > year after my father came home from the Army. The projects got > > really bad when some of them were torn down. The remaining ones > > were renovated but the newly fixed up apartments didn't last long. > > Extremely Ghetto now. Friends of ours who live in > > Buffalo/Lackawanna area decided to go for a ride in the Perry > > Projects area to reminisce where he grew up. A police car pulled > > him over, asked who he was, then asked if he lived there. Paul > > explained what he was doing, the police escorted them out of the > > area and told him, politely, that if he doesn't live there, he > > doesn't belong there and never decide to reminisce again in that > > area. This happened in the early afternoon. That's how bad it is. > > > > Also, my grandfather was electrocuted while working at Bethlehem in > > 1928 where he working as an electrician. He was hit with 440 bolts. > > As you can figure he died on the spot. His death certificate > > doesn't say where he was taken other then "place of death Bethlehem > > Steel Plant". I found nothing in the newspaper other then the > > normal death notice. One day soon I will go to the museum to see if > > anything is there about it. I, always, assumed he was taken to OLV > > because living in the area all my life, we always understood that > > OLV was first built as a hospital intended for the steel workers > > because there was so many. I've never heard of Moses Taylor > > Hospital. Perhaps we were mislead all these years and people > > knowing there was a hospital for steel workers assumed it was OLV. > > I will stop in at the museum to check it out. I found this subject > > very interesting. > > > > At 11:51 PM 5/1/2008 -0400, you wrote: > > >The Perry's are in South Buffalo, not the East Side. Off Louisiana > > >St. Near South Park Ave. And Yep, Ghetto as ever. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

According to my friend, the operations were performed at the building site at the beginning of Bethlehem Steel property (Buffalo side ) on the lake front on route 5 Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val" <[email protected]> To: "Amy Lathrop" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Moses Taylor Hospital located >I certainly hope you see angels fly in your sleep. Great job. > > Perhaps the small hospital next to the main office was just for cuts > and minor injuries. There must have been many of those since there > were so many injuries that actually lead to death. > > One last article I found at the great site you were using for > newspapers: > > Newspaper Buffalo NY Morning Express 1903 > > One of the features of the Lackawanna Steel Company's plant that > attest the breadth of view of those who have founded that institution > is the Moses Taylor Hospital that has been designed for the benefit > of employees of the plant. It will be a big building 100 feet long, > with wings running back 30 (?) feet and within the best ideas as to > modern hospital equipment will be employed. > > Thanks for all your time and help. > > Val > > > > > > On 2 May 2008 at 3:08, Amy Lathrop <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Mystery solved. Moses Taylor Hospital was on Ridge Road, Across from >> Holland Ave, between the "R.C. church" and the "Polish church". So >> essentially, it was where the Friendship House is now. Actually, the >> playground is situatated over the hospitals footprint. >> >> However, according to the 1915 map I am viewing at >> http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/viewPlate.php?country=US >> &m=38751<http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/viewPlate.php?c >> ountry=US&m=38751> there is also a small hospital next to the main >> office on Hamburg Turnpike. >> >> >> I can sleep now. >> >> >> >> Niters, >> >> Amy >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1411 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 > 8:02 AM > >

I just had an interesting dinner conversation with one of my good friends that worked at the steel plant for about 25 years. I mentioned the hospital and he said they performed surgeries and set many a broken bone in that place. They had a doctor who was a famous bone and hand specialist doctor that came in twice a week just to operate.He was suppose to be one of the best in the U.S. Then he went on to sports figures after the plant dwindled down. He thought his name was something like Jobe. Said he saved his crushed finger that the other doctors wanted to amputate. Eventually thats where they set up all the drug and hearing tests. When it closed, they still had a small clinic in the plant, but nothing like the hospital. He only had good things to say about it. Incidently, my grandmother lived in the Perry Projects in the 60's. I didn't like to go visit her back then. I can still remember waiting for the bus to go downtown and the locals making comments as they went by. I was real glad when the bus came and even happier when she moved. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: [NYERIE] Moses Taylor Hospital - Steel Co - Perry Projects > Hi All, > > I'd like to say a big thank you to all that participated in the > discussions about the Moses Taylor Hospital, the Lackawanna Steel > Company and the Perry Projects. I can't believe the amount of > information and number of new websites that were shared. > > This is one of those times that I know why I preach about how much > good information comes from strangers on mail lists. Sometimes we > don't even feel like strangers in the end. > > Thanks for all your time and hunting. My family history will be so > much more colourful now. > > Val > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1411 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 > 8:02 AM > >

Vldg, I didn't see any mention of Union Iron mills as being one of the companies that merged into Bethlehem Steel Co. in the History of Lackawanna book I have. I also checked a book I have published in 1898 "Our Police and Our City" about Buffalo NY (over 900 pages) and find no mention of Union Iron Mills. Have you tried www.fultonhistory.com and searched "Union Iron Mills" Kevin ---- [email protected] wrote: ============= In a message dated 5/2/2008 3:07:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Bethlehem Steel in Lackawanna: Was there any connection between Bethlehem Steel and the Union Iron Mills in Buffalo in the 1870s? vldg **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charles E. Long was a doctor in Buffalo. He was married to my grandparents' niece who was a dentist. I'm struggling to find some papers that contain his obituary. I believe that he was either the Medical Examiner or Medical Director for Erie County. Mary   -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Val Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:31 PM To: Ruth Madar; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Perry Projects & Bethlehem Steel Hi Ruth, Do you know how far the Perry Projects extend. I'm curious whether the houses that were used by my relatives are part of that or if the houses are still standing. Here are some of the homes on my list: 268 Fulton, 521 Elk, 357 Elk, 77 Manitoba, and 544 Perry I think the descendants have all moved away from the area since then. I always remember how the relatives use to talk about one another's financial position when the Buffalo relatives came to Hamilton. Those from Buffalo referred to the Hamilton relatives as rich. Those from Hamilton thought the Buffalo relatives were rich because they could travel. The reality was that most of them on both sides of the border were just surviving. My grandmother and her children would pool their money when the relatives were coming and a wonderful feast would be enjoyed by all. The Buffalo families would in turn pool their money to pay their travel expenses. Your right about this being an interesting topic. I may have instigated it but I think lots of us found out more about the history of Buffalo than we knew before and I dare say there are a few others out there that had people treated at this hospital. It certainly sounds like it was a very busy place in those days. Who was the doctor that signed the Record of Death. Mind was signed by Charles E. Long. I don't know if he worked at both hospitals but it is another clue to look into. Good Luck. Wish I was close enough to come to the Museum. Val On 2 May 2008 at 11:53, Ruth Madar <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, Perry Projects are in South Buffalo. They originally were built > for the WWII families. I was born in one of the apartments about a > year after my father came home from the Army. The projects got really > bad when some of them were torn down. The remaining ones were > renovated but the newly fixed up apartments didn't last long. > Extremely Ghetto now. Friends of ours who live in Buffalo/Lackawanna > area decided to go for a ride in the Perry Projects area to reminisce > where he grew up. A police car pulled him over, asked who he was, > then asked if he lived there. Paul explained what he was doing, the > police escorted them out of the area and told him, politely, that if > he doesn't live there, he doesn't belong there and never decide to > reminisce again in that area. This happened in the early afternoon. > That's how bad it is. > > Also, my grandfather was electrocuted while working at Bethlehem in > 1928 where he working as an electrician. He was hit with 440 bolts. > As you can figure he died on the spot. His death certificate doesn't > say where he was taken other then "place of death Bethlehem Steel > Plant". I found nothing in the newspaper other then the normal death > notice. One day soon I will go to the museum to see if anything is > there about it. I, always, assumed he was taken to OLV because living > in the area all my life, we always understood that OLV was first built > as a hospital intended for the steel workers because there was so > many. I've never heard of Moses Taylor Hospital. Perhaps we were > mislead all these years and people knowing there was a hospital for > steel workers assumed it was OLV. I will stop in at the museum to > check it out. I found this subject very interesting. > > At 11:51 PM 5/1/2008 -0400, you wrote: > >The Perry's are in South Buffalo, not the East Side. Off Louisiana > >St. Near South Park Ave. And Yep, Ghetto as ever. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, the First ward in Lackawanna is not a nice place to be, but CITY hall and OLV are Fine. Perfectly safe. We were talking about the Perry Projects in South Buffalo. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Tracey<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Perry Projects & Bethlehem Steel What part of Lackawanna are we talking about here? I intended to go to the Town Hall and Our Lady of Victory Bascillica there there this summer. Is that an unsafe place to be? Marilyn Tracey On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:00 PM, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > George, > Funny but true. Buffalo was at one time a major RR hub and a good > portion of our ancestors made their living on the many rail roads that came > into Buffalo. Another rich heritage of this area. > > Kevin > ---- George Richmond <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > ============= > >This has been very interesting to me. My family comes from near the > railroad > >track in Buffalo. They are the Texters, Knorr, Reumanns, Rich is still in > >the eyes of the beholder isn't it. > >Jann Whalen Parks > > Jann, > Being "near the railroad tracks" is a description that could apply > to most of Buffalo east of Main street. > George > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Researching: Allard, Badcock, Chase, Crowhurst, Doran, Dressel, Feaster, Graygoose, Jarrett, Jewett, Juite, Kolling, Marchant, McCabe, Mills, Neumeister, Pettit, Piper, Prior, Reed,Reidhammer,Schreiber, Spowage, Tate, Troppmann, Vail, Wilgus, Wimble ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What part of Lackawanna are we talking about here? I intended to go to the Town Hall and Our Lady of Victory Bascillica there there this summer. Is that an unsafe place to be? Marilyn Tracey On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > George, > Funny but true. Buffalo was at one time a major RR hub and a good > portion of our ancestors made their living on the many rail roads that came > into Buffalo. Another rich heritage of this area. > > Kevin > ---- George Richmond <[email protected]> wrote: > > ============= > >This has been very interesting to me. My family comes from near the > railroad > >track in Buffalo. They are the Texters, Knorr, Reumanns, Rich is still in > >the eyes of the beholder isn't it. > >Jann Whalen Parks > > Jann, > Being "near the railroad tracks" is a description that could apply > to most of Buffalo east of Main street. > George > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Researching: Allard, Badcock, Chase, Crowhurst, Doran, Dressel, Feaster, Graygoose, Jarrett, Jewett, Juite, Kolling, Marchant, McCabe, Mills, Neumeister, Pettit, Piper, Prior, Reed,Reidhammer,Schreiber, Spowage, Tate, Troppmann, Vail, Wilgus, Wimble

George, Funny but true. Buffalo was at one time a major RR hub and a good portion of our ancestors made their living on the many rail roads that came into Buffalo. Another rich heritage of this area. Kevin ---- George Richmond <[email protected]> wrote: ============= >This has been very interesting to me. My family comes from near the railroad >track in Buffalo. They are the Texters, Knorr, Reumanns, Rich is still in >the eyes of the beholder isn't it. >Jann Whalen Parks Jann, Being "near the railroad tracks" is a description that could apply to most of Buffalo east of Main street. George ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Police Officer did not bad mouth anyone. He was polite and gave out good advise. He/she did those people a favor and you want to report the cop. Report them for what? looking out for someones wellfare. If something would happen then everyone would say "Why didn't the Police warn me" your e-mail got me more than peeved . Kevin ---- Cynthia Van Ness <[email protected]> wrote: ============= Forgive me for veering *way* off topic, but this cop's behavior is one of my pet peeves. I resent it when anyone tries to make me afraid of my own city. Cops have no business bad-mouthing the people and neighborhoods they are sworn to serve. I would have reported him. There are circumstances and situations that are dangerous, but they are hardly confined to specific neighborhoods. Good things happen in supposedly bad neighborhoods all the time, and bad things happen in supposedly good neighborhoods all the time. Wal*Mart parking lots, which are never situated in "bad" neighborhoods, are ideal settings for all sorts of predatory behavior and they have the crime stats to show for it. What you do is pay attention to your surroundings and the behavior of those around you. --- Ruth Madar <[email protected]> wrote: [snip] > Friends of > ours who live in Buffalo/Lackawanna area decided to go for a > ride in the > Perry Projects area to reminisce where he grew up. A police > car pulled him > over, asked who he was, then asked if he lived there. Paul > explained what > he was doing, the police escorted them out of the area and > told him, > politely, that if he doesn't live there, he doesn't belong > there and never > decide to reminisce again in that area. This happened in the > early > afternoon. That's how bad it is. *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>This has been very interesting to me. My family comes from near the railroad >track in Buffalo. They are the Texters, Knorr, Reumanns, Rich is still in >the eyes of the beholder isn't it. >Jann Whalen Parks Jann, Being "near the railroad tracks" is a description that could apply to most of Buffalo east of Main street. George

Hi All, I'd like to say a big thank you to all that participated in the discussions about the Moses Taylor Hospital, the Lackawanna Steel Company and the Perry Projects. I can't believe the amount of information and number of new websites that were shared. This is one of those times that I know why I preach about how much good information comes from strangers on mail lists. Sometimes we don't even feel like strangers in the end. Thanks for all your time and hunting. My family history will be so much more colourful now. Val

Well, he really didn't bad mouth it. All he said was don't come back. I can speak from the viewpoint of being "familiar" with Law Enforcement and personal experience in that neighborhood. There are certain "types" of people who don't venture into that neighborhood, unless it's to do "business." They stick out like a sore thumb, Type of car, speed at which they are driving, do they appear to be "looking" for something in particular, and yes, the color of their skin(racial profiling goes both ways). Police deal with this all day, everyday, and it's rare that it's someone just reminiscing. RARE. This officer did the right thing, first to stop them and question them about their business there. Secondly to escort them safely out and warn them not to return, for their safety. It's very easy to get "lost" in that area, and then run into trouble. BELIEVE ME, You'd be surprised at how quickly you can be staring at a 9, and find yourself minus your purse, jewlery, and your car. All it takes is one stop at a stop sign, IF you get that far down the block. And all it takes is one nervous actor to pull that trigger a little to far. Bad things happen to the ignorant and naïve. Very Bad things. The type of preditory behavior you'll find in the WalMart lot is NOT the same as in the projects, Perry, Langfield, Baker, etc. Nor is it on the same scale. Apples and Oranges, Cynthia, Apples and Oranges. He didn't need to bad mouth the place. It does that all by itself, which draws more suspicion. Why would anyone, no matter what they "look" who didn't live there, not high-tail it out of there as soon as they realized what type of neighborhood they were in? There's usually only one reason why. If something bad had happened to these people, people would be demanding to know where the police were, and why they weren't doing their job. It's a case of Don't shoot the messenger. Ok, I'm done. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia Van Ness<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [NYERIE] Perry Projects & Bethlehem Steel Forgive me for veering *way* off topic, but this cop's behavior is one of my pet peeves. I resent it when anyone tries to make me afraid of my own city. Cops have no business bad-mouthing the people and neighborhoods they are sworn to serve. I would have reported him. There are circumstances and situations that are dangerous, but they are hardly confined to specific neighborhoods. Good things happen in supposedly bad neighborhoods all the time, and bad things happen in supposedly good neighborhoods all the time. Wal*Mart parking lots, which are never situated in "bad" neighborhoods, are ideal settings for all sorts of predatory behavior and they have the crime stats to show for it. What you do is pay attention to your surroundings and the behavior of those around you. --- Ruth Madar <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: [snip] > Friends of > ours who live in Buffalo/Lackawanna area decided to go for a > ride in the > Perry Projects area to reminisce where he grew up. A police > car pulled him > over, asked who he was, then asked if he lived there. Paul > explained what > he was doing, the police escorted them out of the area and > told him, > politely, that if he doesn't live there, he doesn't belong > there and never > decide to reminisce again in that area. This happened in the > early > afternoon. That's how bad it is. *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-* Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com http://www.BuffaloResearch.com<http://www.buffaloresearch.com/> "Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Whoa... okay Kevin and Cynthia-- I love you both. Let's step back and take a breath before Dick Rose comes along and whips our behinds. (This is the danger of off-topic messages, I fear...) Let's remember: Behind every complaint or concern is a commitment to something greater and good-- we don't complain about things we don't care about. You both have valuable commitments; it's not either-or. This was a great thread; let's keep it that way. -- Jillaine @ DC http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jillaine