Hi Jim, I loved your post! And I read every word. Also loved your documentation... Wish I could help you.... Unfortunately, my unknown Gilbert is Gilbert Husted, supposedly born in Dutchess County about 1750ish, but I have no proof of any of my 5 VA Husteds being born here/there! (John, Moses, Gilbert, Robert, Ann are the 5) Gilbert's brother John, named one of his sons, Solomon. Gilbert named his two sons: Caleb and Jesse. Kathie On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Jim Miller <jm1982@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > Not sure this is strictly "Dutch Colonies," but knowing how many > people are on this list and how varied their backgrounds and interests > are, I thought I'd take a chance and post it here. > > I have for some time been trying to document the oft-quoted ancestry > of Gilbert Weeks (1741-1799) of Philips Precinct, Dutchess/Putnam > County N.Y., husband of Jemima Van Amburgh. The proposed line, for > which I have never found a primary > source, is that he was the son of Solomon Weeks and > Nancy/Margaret/Gretia Waters/Walters of Oyster Bay, Solomon being the > son of Daniel Weeks, son of Francis Weeks, the immigrant. > > I have some problems with this proposed lineage – no marriage record > for Solomon and Nancy, no baptisms for their kids, no wills, no tax > records, at least that I can find -- which lead me to try tracking > down Gilbert. And that lead to more problems. Below are my thoughts on > this line, presented in the hope that someone can either point me in > the right direction or tell me where I've gone wrong! > > I: SOLOMON > > It appears that Daniel Weeks and his wife Mary Alling did indeed have > a son named Solomon born in 1697. However, I believe it was a > different and younger Solomon who married Miss Waters/Walters, > whatever her actual first name was. I base this on the 1771 Will of > William Waters, which mentions his daughter Gretia, her "first > husband" Solomon Weeks and his "three grandchildren": Isaac, Solomon > and Rachel. > > It seems unlikely that the Solomon born in 1697 would have a > father-in-law alive in 1771. A more likely candidate is the Solomon > Weeks whose father, Abraham, was the brother of Solomon of 1697. And > if the Solomon born in 1697 DID marry Gretia Walters, this will shows > that they had no son named Gilbert. > > Either way, then, there is a hole in the generally accepted lineage of > Gilbert Weeks (1741-1799). If Solomon of 1697 did marry Gretia > Walters, then the couple weren't Gilbert's parents. And if the Solomon > of 1697 didn't marry Gretia Walters, then the mother of Gilbert had to > be someone else. > > II GILBERTS GILBERTS EVERYWHERE > > Doubts thus raised, I began looking for records of my Gilbert with the > idea of tying him to Solomon or some other Weeks family. One problem: > There were at least three Gilbert Weeks alive in the mid-1700s in New > York, two of them in Dutchess/Putnam County! We have: > -Gilbert Weeks Number One -- who married Phebe Hall at Hempstead, Long > Island, in 1751. > -Gilbert Weeks Number Two – who married Phebe Southard at Rombout, > Dutchess County, Jan. 1, 1764. > -Gilbert Weeks Number Three – who as "Gilbert Jr." married Jemimah Van > Amburgh at Rombout March 3, 1766, this couple being my ancestors. > > If Solomon of 1697 DID have a son named Gilbert, it could be any of > the above three. How did earlier genealogists tell them apart? Or were > they unaware of the existence of more than one or in possession of > records I have yet to find? I don't know, and I have yet to find > anything to tie any of these Gilberts to Solomon. > > What I do know for sure about my Gilbert is this: He is buried in the > Fishkill DRC churchyard beside Jemima. His stone records his birth on > April 27, 1741, and his death on March 12, 1799. An administrator's > bond filed after his death gives the date as March 14 and the place as > Philips. > > He appears in the Rombout Church records as Gilbert Jr., baptizing > children named Chauncey, Jemima and Richard. Other children were > Rachel/Elizabeth (my ancestor), James, George and John. More are > possible. > > I have not found his baptism, which, of course, would solve the > mystery of his parentage and eliminate the need for this lengthy post! > The earliest reference I have to him comes from an unpublished > typescript sent to me by a cousin who got it from the author, Ruth > Ewing Bradford. It says: > > "I have in my possession a paper, the original copy of the indenture > of Gilbert Weeks of Courtland Manor, to learn the trade of a > Blacksmith, at Fishkill, of James Weeks executed Feb. 1, 1756, > witnessed by Abraham Weeks and Daniel Sutton in which it is stated he > has the consent of his father and mother, Job Wright and his wife > Mary. ... I assume that after Solomon Week's death his widow married > Job Wright and that he figured as Gilbert's stepfather." > > James presumably was a brother, and he is indeed listed as such in the > Bradford typescript along with Abraham and Absalom. Their parents are > given, without a source, as Solomon Weeks and Mary Waters. > > Checking the Fishkill cemetery again, I do find a James Weeks there: > "James Weeks/Born November ye 10th 1737/Died Novemb ye 15th 1790/Aged > 53 years/Remember me I once had breath/In the midst of life--we are in > death/Death calls us home--we must obey/I was well--sick--and dead all > in one day." > > Cheerful fellow. > > In 1793, a vendue (auction) list was filed for the estate of James > Weeks of Rumbout Precinct, Dutchess County. Among the purchasers were > Agnes Weeks, Chancey Weeks, Richard Weeks and Gilbert Weeks. > ("Genealogical Data from Inventories of New York Estates, 1666-1825." > Kenneth Scott and James A. Owre, New York, 1970.) > > This makes it seem all the likelier that Gilbert and James were > brothers or at least related. Turning south to look for further > records, I have found little on the Weeks family in Cortlandt Manor – > certainly no Solomon, Mary or Job Wright. But in the New York > Historical Society's "Muster rolls of New York provincial troops, > 1755-1764," I do find: > > Gilbert Weeks, 18, laborer born in North Castle, 5'8", brown eyes and > brown hair, enlisted March 19, 1759, in Captain Brown's company of > Westchester County militia. > > North Castle is within stone-throwing distance of Cortlandt Manor and > the age matches – could this be Gilbert (1741 to 1799)? > > In the same book is listed: > > Gilbert Weeks, 20, laborer born in New England, 5'4", brown hair, > brown complexion, brown eyes, enlisted June 9, 1760, in Captain > Rogers' company of Westchester County Militia. > > This could of course by Gilbert (1799-1841), too. Or it could be the > Gilbert who married Phebe Southard. Or it could be a fourth Gilbert! > In any case, if born in New England, we can safely assume that he, at > least, was not a son of Solomon Weeks of Oyster Bay. > > Things get still more muddled when one turns to Revolutionary War > records. A Gilbert Weeks served as an ensign and later a lieutenant in > an Orange County, NY, militia company. A biography of the grandson of > Gilbert Weeks (1741-1799) included in a late-1800s county history > makes the claim that he lived in Orange County at the time and indeed > served in the militia at Fort Montgomery. > > Another Gilbert Weeks (or the same) captained a vessel along the > Hudson and served in Capt. Weisenfel's company under Col. Phillip Van > Cortlandt. In 1822, a Gilbert Weeks of Peekskill filed a pension > application claiming that he was this soldier; it was rejected. > > And Gilbert Weeks of Fishkill, husband to Phebe, made his will Dec. > 13, 1824, naming wife and minor children Samuel, Jane Griffin, Susan, > Abigail, John William and Gilbert. Could this or the pension applicant > be the same man who married Phebe Southard way back in the 1760s? > > One final mystery, one final stone in the Fishkill churchyard: > > "Mistress Nancy Weeks/Born Feb. 26/1712/Died Aug 26/1778/Aged 66 years > 6 mos An Honest Dame/a frugal wife/we greved Her much/when she left > this Lyfe." > > Could this be the mother of one of the Gilberts? > > Congratulations to anyone who's managed to read through this. Any > assistance or suggestions are welcome! > > -Jim Miller > jm1982@gmail.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- M. Kathleen Felsted mkfelsted@gmail.com

I have two Dutchess County Husteds in my tree: Joseph, who married Elizabeth Knapp Jan. 28, 1804. (Don't have the location; believe I copied the date from Alfred Averill Knapp's "Nicholas Knapp Genealogy.") As per a family bible, Elizabeth lived from 1783 to 1842. Her father, Capt. Israel Knapp (c. 1733/34-1796), was my ancestor, through his son Elijah. The other Husted was Mary or Hanna, who was the wife of David Knapp (1774-1847), a brother to Elijah and Elizabeth. I don't have the parents of either Husted. The "Nicholas Knapp Genealogy" says that Husted is the same name as Hustis. Joseph Husted, it says, died Feb. 22, 1848 "GR N. Highlands NY." Children are listed as Fanny, Nancy, Joseph, Gilbert (born Nov. 28, 1796), Sarah, Nicholas, Jemima, James Harvey and Robert. Israel Knapp lived at Philipstown. I have no concrete info on his ancestry or that of his wife, Mary Hennion. Dutchess County research, I've found, is far tougher than it is across the river in Ulster! Good luck in your search, Jim Miller On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:19 PM, M. Kathleen Felsted <mkfelsted@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I loved your post! And I read every word. Also loved your > documentation... > > Wish I could help you.... Unfortunately, my unknown Gilbert is Gilbert > Husted, supposedly born in Dutchess County about 1750ish, but I have no > proof of any of my 5 VA Husteds being born here/there! (John, Moses, > Gilbert, Robert, Ann are the 5) Gilbert's brother John, named one of his > sons, Solomon. Gilbert named his two sons: Caleb and Jesse. > > Kathie > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Jim Miller <jm1982@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Not sure this is strictly "Dutch Colonies," but knowing how many >> people are on this list and how varied their backgrounds and interests >> are, I thought I'd take a chance and post it here. >> >> I have for some time been trying to document the oft-quoted ancestry >> of Gilbert Weeks (1741-1799) of Philips Precinct, Dutchess/Putnam >> County N.Y., husband of Jemima Van Amburgh. The proposed line, for >> which I have never found a primary >> source, is that he was the son of Solomon Weeks and >> Nancy/Margaret/Gretia Waters/Walters of Oyster Bay, Solomon being the >> son of Daniel Weeks, son of Francis Weeks, the immigrant. >> >> I have some problems with this proposed lineage – no marriage record >> for Solomon and Nancy, no baptisms for their kids, no wills, no tax >> records, at least that I can find -- which lead me to try tracking >> down Gilbert. And that lead to more problems. Below are my thoughts on >> this line, presented in the hope that someone can either point me in >> the right direction or tell me where I've gone wrong! >> >> I: SOLOMON >> >> It appears that Daniel Weeks and his wife Mary Alling did indeed have >> a son named Solomon born in 1697. However, I believe it was a >> different and younger Solomon who married Miss Waters/Walters, >> whatever her actual first name was. I base this on the 1771 Will of >> William Waters, which mentions his daughter Gretia, her "first >> husband" Solomon Weeks and his "three grandchildren": Isaac, Solomon >> and Rachel. >> >> It seems unlikely that the Solomon born in 1697 would have a >> father-in-law alive in 1771. A more likely candidate is the Solomon >> Weeks whose father, Abraham, was the brother of Solomon of 1697. And >> if the Solomon born in 1697 DID marry Gretia Walters, this will shows >> that they had no son named Gilbert. >> >> Either way, then, there is a hole in the generally accepted lineage of >> Gilbert Weeks (1741-1799). If Solomon of 1697 did marry Gretia >> Walters, then the couple weren't Gilbert's parents. And if the Solomon >> of 1697 didn't marry Gretia Walters, then the mother of Gilbert had to >> be someone else. >> >> II GILBERTS GILBERTS EVERYWHERE >> >> Doubts thus raised, I began looking for records of my Gilbert with the >> idea of tying him to Solomon or some other Weeks family. One problem: >> There were at least three Gilbert Weeks alive in the mid-1700s in New >> York, two of them in Dutchess/Putnam County! We have: >> -Gilbert Weeks Number One -- who married Phebe Hall at Hempstead, Long >> Island, in 1751. >> -Gilbert Weeks Number Two – who married Phebe Southard at Rombout, >> Dutchess County, Jan. 1, 1764. >> -Gilbert Weeks Number Three – who as "Gilbert Jr." married Jemimah Van >> Amburgh at Rombout March 3, 1766, this couple being my ancestors. >> >> If Solomon of 1697 DID have a son named Gilbert, it could be any of >> the above three. How did earlier genealogists tell them apart? Or were >> they unaware of the existence of more than one or in possession of >> records I have yet to find? I don't know, and I have yet to find >> anything to tie any of these Gilberts to Solomon. >> >> What I do know for sure about my Gilbert is this: He is buried in the >> Fishkill DRC churchyard beside Jemima. His stone records his birth on >> April 27, 1741, and his death on March 12, 1799. An administrator's >> bond filed after his death gives the date as March 14 and the place as >> Philips. >> >> He appears in the Rombout Church records as Gilbert Jr., baptizing >> children named Chauncey, Jemima and Richard. Other children were >> Rachel/Elizabeth (my ancestor), James, George and John. More are >> possible. >> >> I have not found his baptism, which, of course, would solve the >> mystery of his parentage and eliminate the need for this lengthy post! >> The earliest reference I have to him comes from an unpublished >> typescript sent to me by a cousin who got it from the author, Ruth >> Ewing Bradford. It says: >> >> "I have in my possession a paper, the original copy of the indenture >> of Gilbert Weeks of Courtland Manor, to learn the trade of a >> Blacksmith, at Fishkill, of James Weeks executed Feb. 1, 1756, >> witnessed by Abraham Weeks and Daniel Sutton in which it is stated he >> has the consent of his father and mother, Job Wright and his wife >> Mary. ... I assume that after Solomon Week's death his widow married >> Job Wright and that he figured as Gilbert's stepfather." >> >> James presumably was a brother, and he is indeed listed as such in the >> Bradford typescript along with Abraham and Absalom. Their parents are >> given, without a source, as Solomon Weeks and Mary Waters. >> >> Checking the Fishkill cemetery again, I do find a James Weeks there: >> "James Weeks/Born November ye 10th 1737/Died Novemb ye 15th 1790/Aged >> 53 years/Remember me I once had breath/In the midst of life--we are in >> death/Death calls us home--we must obey/I was well--sick--and dead all >> in one day." >> >> Cheerful fellow. >> >> In 1793, a vendue (auction) list was filed for the estate of James >> Weeks of Rumbout Precinct, Dutchess County. Among the purchasers were >> Agnes Weeks, Chancey Weeks, Richard Weeks and Gilbert Weeks. >> ("Genealogical Data from Inventories of New York Estates, 1666-1825." >> Kenneth Scott and James A. Owre, New York, 1970.) >> >> This makes it seem all the likelier that Gilbert and James were >> brothers or at least related. Turning south to look for further >> records, I have found little on the Weeks family in Cortlandt Manor – >> certainly no Solomon, Mary or Job Wright. But in the New York >> Historical Society's "Muster rolls of New York provincial troops, >> 1755-1764," I do find: >> >> Gilbert Weeks, 18, laborer born in North Castle, 5'8", brown eyes and >> brown hair, enlisted March 19, 1759, in Captain Brown's company of >> Westchester County militia. >> >> North Castle is within stone-throwing distance of Cortlandt Manor and >> the age matches – could this be Gilbert (1741 to 1799)? >> >> In the same book is listed: >> >> Gilbert Weeks, 20, laborer born in New England, 5'4", brown hair, >> brown complexion, brown eyes, enlisted June 9, 1760, in Captain >> Rogers' company of Westchester County Militia. >> >> This could of course by Gilbert (1799-1841), too. Or it could be the >> Gilbert who married Phebe Southard. Or it could be a fourth Gilbert! >> In any case, if born in New England, we can safely assume that he, at >> least, was not a son of Solomon Weeks of Oyster Bay. >> >> Things get still more muddled when one turns to Revolutionary War >> records. A Gilbert Weeks served as an ensign and later a lieutenant in >> an Orange County, NY, militia company. A biography of the grandson of >> Gilbert Weeks (1741-1799) included in a late-1800s county history >> makes the claim that he lived in Orange County at the time and indeed >> served in the militia at Fort Montgomery. >> >> Another Gilbert Weeks (or the same) captained a vessel along the >> Hudson and served in Capt. Weisenfel's company under Col. Phillip Van >> Cortlandt. In 1822, a Gilbert Weeks of Peekskill filed a pension >> application claiming that he was this soldier; it was rejected. >> >> And Gilbert Weeks of Fishkill, husband to Phebe, made his will Dec. >> 13, 1824, naming wife and minor children Samuel, Jane Griffin, Susan, >> Abigail, John William and Gilbert. Could this or the pension applicant >> be the same man who married Phebe Southard way back in the 1760s? >> >> One final mystery, one final stone in the Fishkill churchyard: >> >> "Mistress Nancy Weeks/Born Feb. 26/1712/Died Aug 26/1778/Aged 66 years >> 6 mos An Honest Dame/a frugal wife/we greved Her much/when she left >> this Lyfe." >> >> Could this be the mother of one of the Gilberts? >> >> Congratulations to anyone who's managed to read through this. Any >> assistance or suggestions are welcome! >> >> -Jim Miller >> jm1982@gmail.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > M. Kathleen Felsted > mkfelsted@gmail.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYDUTCHE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >