This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boyce185 Surnames: ramstetter schaad Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/6028.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dan, Sorry for delay. I am new to these boards. For some reason, I did not get an alert on your post. I REALLY appreciate your posts because thye contain so much info and are written like a short story. Here is the sequence I am pieceing together. 1) Balthasar, Sophie, Lorenz, Katharina, Elizabeth, Apollonia, Maria Eva, and Apolonia's 15 month old (10/27/1853) daughter, Elizabeth all arrive in NYC on the Ophir on February 16th, 1855. The ship's manifest lists Elizabeth as 9 months old. 2) Maria Eva marries Adam Schaad on July 27th, 1856 at St. Joseph's Church, Rochester 3) Elizabeth marries Matthias Brandt on September 20th, 1856 at St. Joseph's Church, Rochester 4) Apollonia marries Phillip Schaad (Adam's brother) in 1858 at St. Joseph's Church, Rochester Apollonia and Phillip have a child Catherina, born in Rochester August 20th, 1859 5) Apollonia (age 25) dies October 31st, 1859 in Rochester. Her Daughter, Catherina dies December 4th, 1859 in Rochester 6) Balthasar, Sophie, Lorenz, and Apollonia's daughter, Elizabeth are in the Poughkeepsie for the July 21st, 1860 US Census 7) Adam and Maria "S(h)aat" are also in Poughkeepsie 1860 US Census with 3 children, Abbey (5), Matthew (3) and Adam (10 months) 8) Katharina Ramstetter is listed as godparent for Lorenz daughter Katharina, baptized August 14th, 1867 **** Dan, add/correct the sequence as you see fit. I have tons of questions. Barbara Ramstetter Argus was born May 11th, 1819. Do you have her in a US immigration or census record? I can find nothing on Elizabeth & Mathias Brandt after their marraige. Did they stay in Rochester? It seems that Elizabeth would have been with her Mother and Philip in ROchester in October & December of 1859. And in Pok July of 1860 -- Had to make the move during that 6 months period. Hanno indicates that Philip was born 02/16/1826 and I have an immigration record that matches. In the 1870 US Census, a Philip Schaad is listed as 37 years old. Is he the same person who married Apollonia? Any additional info on Katharina? She seems to not get married , but also disappears. All for now , Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johanna1876 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jack I noticed that the guidelines for this list suggest that postings must refer to the locality. The information I have seems more about "family".Your "offlist" email address is no longer available(nor is mine), so I'm not sure how to proceed. Are we allowed to post our private email address? Margaret Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boyce185 Surnames: Ramstetter Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Margaret, You are full of presents and it is not yet Christmas. I have not seen Lorenz' Naturalization statement. On Baptism affidavits, I have Christina (1869 St. Peters) and have just received Katharina (1867 Nativity Church) and Elisabeth (1865 Nativity Church) affidavits. So I am missing Mary Elisabeth (my great grandmother) and Andrew. In December, I am visiting Marist Catholic Archives to get more data on Nativity church and school; verify that the Pok city clerk has no records prior to 1881; take a photo of 126 N. Hamilton; take a photo of Union street location of Nativity church; Check on Ramstetters at Pok Rural Cemetery. I have already searched at St Peter's and no Ramstetter records. Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nancy2jim76 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/6296.8.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: i forgot to tell you that that william white and wife susanna fuller had 2 sons one came on the mayflower 2nd son peregrine was born when they arrived on board you will find info in the books families of the mayflower peregine is the line you want to follow good luck nancy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johanna1876 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jack, Yes, thank you, I have seen those census records.(More "creative spellings"!) Marie Eva is buried in the Schaad family plot in Newburgh, in Saint Patrick's Cemetery. The Schaad family moved from Poughkeepsie to Newburgh between 1866 and 1868. In checking my records, I found baptismal records for several of their children from Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in Poughkeepsie, in the early 1860s. Have you checked any of their records for the Ramstetter family? I'm also going through my records to locate Lorenz's Naturalization Oath. Have you seen that? Margaret Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cmagha Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/6028.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jack, think you have good working assumptions. See below, 1870 is a missing entry; haven't tracked it down, yet. Her mother died of typhoid in Rochester, just after arriving from the Palatine with the family. Appolonia had married Philip Schaad by that time, and I have talked with Philip's descendants. Elizabeth went with the family to Poughkeepsie, and at some point after Balthasar and Sophie's deaths, she goes to Hammondsport, New York, during her teen years. Lorenz's sister Barbara married one of the Argus's in Poughkeepie, and they farmed grapes at Hammondsport for a while, before going west. That may be the connection to Keuka Lake. In any event, Elizabeth stays in Hammondsport, and then treks up to Rochester as an adult. 1922 - Death of Elizabeth Ramstetter Meyer ("Housewife", aged 68 years, 10 months, 17 days) at home -- 927 Clifford Avenue -- attended by Dr. J.S. Kominz, after an illness of 24 hours. The informant, George E. Meyer, is her son and resides at her home. She died of Angina Pectoris, aggrevated by Chronic Myocarditis and Diabetes Mellitus. She is listed as the "Widow of Joseph"; her parents are generally unknown -- but known to be from "Germany". It is thought that her maiden name was "Ramstetter", but a question mark precedes the father's name. Mattle performed the funeral services at Holy Sepulchre Cemetery. 1920 - In the 1920 Census, the widow Elizabeth (aged 65) -- for whom German is still her mother tongue -- presides as head of household over the second Meyer home, 927 Clifford Avenue (307th Family/464th Dwelling). Her son Jacob presides over the house next door. With Elizabeth are sons Clarence (aged 29), George (aged 27), son-in-law Frank Simpson (aged 40), daughter Bertha (aged 39), and Simpson grandchildren Avilda (aged 16) and Charles (age 12). 1920 Census_[CITE]. 1910 - The 1910 Census lists widow Elizabeth (aged 56) as head of household at 927 Clifford Avenue (Dwelling 114/Family 228), living with Edward (aged 34), his spouse Carrie M. (aged 30), and children Marion F. (aged 23), Joseph H. (aged 20), Clarence (aged 15), and George (aged 15). Elizabeth's son Jacob (aged 36) now lives next store at 925 Clifford Avenue. 1910 Census_NY_Monroe_Rochester WD8_SD16_ED89_340_Sheet 11B (April 23, 1910). 1900 - See entry under spouse Joseph A. Meyer. 1890 - Census lost in Commerce Department fire. 1880 - See entry under spouse Joseph A. Meyer. 1870 - [THREAD, see Poughkeepsie, Hammondsport] 1860 - See listing under grandfather, Balthasar. N.B. Tradition has it that Elizabeth was orphaned at an early age. She was supposedly placed in the care of Saint Mary's Parish at Bath, New York (or St. Joseph's Church in Rochester, N.Y.). When she came of age, Elizabeth was allegedly transferred to Saint Joseph's Church in Rochester, New York. Apprenticed in a hat shop, she also sang in Saint Joseph's choir. There she met the wood carver, Joseph Meyer. The factual record supports some of this legend. Elizabeth emigrated from Bavaria in 1855 with her family. They came through New York City, and may have taken the "Immigrant Train" to the Southern Tier of New York State. Mother Apollonia contracted some fatal disease four (4) years after arriving in the United States, when the family was still in Rochester, may have contracted typhoid. The Ramstetter family later moved to the Hudson Valley. Elizabeth was left at Saint Joseph's, as an orphan. She was in the choir, and did meet the woodcarver, Joseph Meyer. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boyce185 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Margaret, Thanks. This will save me effort. Notes: March 22nd, 1878 is a Friday. Likely the Sunday newspaper was dated March 24th, 1878. It may indeed be an error of the census taker for Baldesser Christian Ramstetter in the 1870 Census. Had not occurred to me before I saw your post. Gives us his middle name. I think you were seeking info on Marie Eva Ramstetter. You likely have seen Adam Saat (Poughkeepsie 1860 Census), Adam Shad (Newburgh 1870 Census) and Adam Schaad (Newburgh 1880 Census). Do you know where Marie Eva is buried? Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johanna1876 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jack, Here is the transcription from the "Sunday Chronicle", March 23(?), 1878. "DIED: RAMSTETTER-March 22, in this city, Lawrence Ramstetter, aged 57 years , 2 months and 15 days. Funeral from No. 126 North Hamilton Street, this afternoon, at 3 o'clock." Regarding Balthasar: did you see him with Lorenz in the 1870 Federal Census, with his name slightly misspelled!(Baldesser Christian)? Margaret Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boyce185 Surnames: Ramstetter Oberst Meyer Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Margaret, We think alike. I have checked the Poughkeepsie City (and also Town) Clerks Websites. Both indicate that they only have records back to 1881. I am almost CERTAIN that Lorenz (and his parents) are buried in Poughkeepsie. The choices seem to be St Peters Catholic cemetery or Pok Rural Cemetery. I have searched "Ramstetter" in St Peter's records with nothing found, In wikipedia: * Poughkeepsie Daily Eagle (1860-80) o Pok Eagle Weekly & Sunday Courier (1872-76) 1880: Pok Daily Eagle merges with The Poughkeepsie News I am visiting Poughkeepsie in December and will transcribe the obit from the chronicle or courier, whichever it is. I will post the transcript here, if I find it. Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ramosclann67 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/6296.8.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for your information. Information from the Dutchess County Historical Society shows that "On the 9th inst. by the Rev. Mr Clark, Mr Oliver D Collins to Miss Sally Ward, dau of John Ward, both of Clinton" Published Tuesday Aug 14, 1804, Poughkeepsie Journal. In the 1800 Census (NY/Dutchess/Clinton) John Ward, Jr and Joshua Collins were only seperated by one family. Close enough for their children to have developed a relationship. I haven't done much research on Mary White. Thanks for pointing me in the direction of William White. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johanna1876 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Based on Lorenz's obituary, which appeared in the Poughkeepsie "Sunday Chronicle", (d.March 22, 1878), I would assume that Lorenz was buried in Poughkeepsie. Have you tried locating his death certificate from that city? Margaret Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boyce185 Surnames: Ramstetter Oberst Meyer Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/6028.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dan, Glad to make your acquaintance. I have seen some of your other posts on the internet. Jack Boyce, son of Katherine Frances Eisenman, dau of Charles Eisenman, son of Mary Elisabeth Ramstetter, dau of Lorenz. I have recently retired and have some time to pursue. I am making some assumptions. I find Balthasar in the 1860 Census but not 1870 and thus he and Sophie likely die in that decade. Lorenz dies March 22, 1878 and is likely buried in the same plot. I am going to Poughkeepsie in December and will access the Poughkeepsie newspapers microfilm to find Lorenz's obit with the hope it tells where he is buried. And if (BIG IF), he is in the same plot, we find Balthasar also. Question on Elizabeth Ramstetter Meyer: She lives with Balthasar, Sophie, and Lorenz for the 1860 Census. Where was she in the 1870 Census and how/why leave Poughkeepsie in her teenage years? Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nancy2jim76 Surnames: ward, collins Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/6296.8.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: i have sally ward's father as owen ward with a question mark and mother as rebecca wilde bahout ? or john ward owen and rebecca children as lavina,sally[sarah],nancy,johnI,susan,and eliza thats all i have if you confirm any thing let me know also olivers father joshua collins married mary white who is a descendant of the mayflower william white Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ramosclann67 Surnames: Collins, Ward Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/6296.8.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Nancy - My gg-grandfather was Walter E. W. Collins, son of Oliver D and Sally/Sarah (Ward)Collins. Wondered if you have figured out who the parents of Sally/Sarah Ward are? There was a John Ward, Rev War solider,whose wife, Rebecca, applied for a Rev. War Pension. She gave testimony of her marriage to John Ward,which was signed by Dutchess County Justice of the peace, John W (Ward?) Collins. Elberta Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Sorry Richard, I have nothing to add on the Kip family. Agnes On Nov 8, 2007, at 1:00 AM, nydutche-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > From: "Richard Hayes" <RAHayes@chartermi.net> > Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Gerrit Van Wagenen & Neeltje Kip & Children > > I have a number connections to Neeltje Kip. Would you send me some > information on Neeltje and her parents and her children? > I have her parents and other Kips on my website at

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DouglasVSmith Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9645/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Seeking any information on the William Bennet in the 1790 census, Fishkill, Dutchess County, NY. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cmagha Surnames: Ramstetter, Tascher de la Pagerie, Meyer Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/6028.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes sir, still interested; need to dig out some messages from a woman who is related to Lorenz; we were trying to figure out the burial site of Balthasar, Lorenz's father, who died in Poughkeepsie. Three year delay; like overnight in this work; everything proceeds glacially, Dan Meyer son of Don Meyer son of George Meyer son of Elizabeth Ramstetter Meyer dau of Appollonia Ramstetter, sister to Lorenz Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boyce185 Surnames: Ramstetter Oberst Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/5192.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: More than 5 years later, I am following in your footsteps. In the 1870 Census, Lorenz and Elisabeth (Oberst) Ramstetter lived at 126 N. Hamilton Street and that address was inside Poughkeepsie's 3rd Ward. I did this backwards by finding all neighbors of the Ramstetters in the 1870 Census, and determining where they lived in the 1880 Census. The result was 126 N. Hamilton St. Lorenz lived at a different address in Poughkeepsie in the 1860 Census. I have some info on births, but I am also interested in marriages and especially where Lorenz is buried. Mostly, I am interested in exchanging knowledge on the Ramstetters. Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: boyce185 Surnames: Ramstetter Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/6028.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry for the 3 year delay. I am also tracking these Ramstetters as my ancestors. I have found 1860s Baptism certificates for 3 of 5 children of Lorenz. Just checking to see if you are still interested. Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Agnes512 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.dutchess/9644.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: As to the children of this couple I have nothing but you might want to contact Carl VanWagenen who is about to release a publication including your Johannes who is a descendant of Gerrrett Aertsen VW The comment he posts about your branch reads thusly: Book Two, "THE GENEALOGY OF GERRIT AERTSEN VAN WAGENEN OF WAGENINGEN, HOLLAND" presently being prepared for publication as early as 2002. This book refers to the twin-brother of Jacob Aertsen Van Wagenen who is the subject of Book One. Gerrit and his suceeding generations resided on the Kipsbergen Patent at Rhinecliff in the Town of Rhinebeck, Dutchess County, NY. Many of his descendants removed to the State of Michigan where they changed the spelling of their name to VAN WAGONER and VAN WAGNER. He can be reached at the following address: CARL S VAN WAGENEN 32 Barbara's Court Saugerties, NY 12477 United States 845-246-2865 cvanwagenen@hvc.rr.com I have always found him to be helpful. Agnes Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.